Oh great. Some kid asked this in the “askoldpeople” sub… wtf??
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Posted by Traditional-King-211@reddit | GenX | View on Reddit | 240 comments
Old__Medic_Doc_68@reddit
9/11 seems to me to be the last time Americans came together as one in agreement on anything. It’s a shame we couldn’t hold on to that feeling. 😢
RCA2CE@reddit
TSA didn't harass you at the airport.
Has the TSA done anything at all, for all this inconvenience and expense? People just hopping on planes like that lady that stowed away to france.. I mean it seems like this false sense of security.. take your shoes off, dont bring a sandwich in... its sort of all BS
Sauterneandbleu@reddit
It's performative. It's proof that terrorism gets direct results.
akrobert@reddit
There was no TSA. And no the TSA haven’t stopped anything and fail to catch things when tested consistently
saucybelly@reddit
IMO it didn’t change American nearly as much as the current administration has. 9/11 was catastrophic and tragic, but I don’t think it changed individuals’ lives throughout the country on a day-to-day basis nearly as much as this regime is.
Valuable_Ant_969@reddit
That's a hell of a take. How old are you? Those of us who were older than teens at the time generally feel there was a major, major change
Yes, it was a change that took years to fully come about, but it was major. Agree currently it feels like we're wrapped up in similar major changes, but it's too early to say this is more of a change. If anything, the current changes feel like they're only possible because of the 9/11 change
96HeelGirl@reddit
It's a fair question for a young person to ask, but the "lmfao" makes me want to scream.
DiamondEyesFlamingo@reddit
I work in schools and had an 8th grader last fall tell me a 9/11 joke and I was like dude you gonna have to choose your audience because any alive and old enough to remember won’t find it funny.
Sue_Generoux@reddit
What do the Twin Towers and gender have in common? There used to be two, but now it's a touchy subject.
secret_someones@reddit
what was the joke?
ThatWomanNow@reddit
It's probably along the lines of what does NASA mean in the 80's... need another seven astronauts.
Icy_Professional3564@reddit
That's sad. We watched that launch in school and it was just terrible.
Sufficient_Laugh@reddit
Grew up in the UK. We had this one: Why do they drink Coke in America? … Because they can’t get 7up.
Historical-Gap-7084@reddit
I don't get it.
hurtloam@reddit
7UP is a brand of lemonade.
Own_Order792@reddit
7up is a brand of citrus soda… it’s not lemonade
dimestoredavinci@reddit
Lemonade is fizzy in some parts of the world. It would make sense that they would just call it lemonade
I still don't get the joke though
deformo@reddit
7 astronauts failed to make it to space. ‘Can’t get 7up.’
dimestoredavinci@reddit
Ahhh! Lol. Thanks
Bob_12_Pack@reddit
In Australia they call Sprite and 7up lemonade, and they have brands of actual lemon flavored drinks that are carbonated, all called lemonade.
SoloCongaLineChamp@reddit
Well, shit. I can't tell if this is a joke I'm too old for or if you're just extremely confidently incorrect.
edked@reddit
Brits call carbonated lemon/lime sodas like 7UP or Sprite "lemonade."
haileyskydiamonds@reddit
What do you call water mixed with lemon juice and sugar then?
edked@reddit
Why do you assume I'm British?
When I was a kid, I ordered "lemonade" when I saw it on the menu at a hotel restaurant in England on a family vacation and that's what I got.
Years later, I realized that's what was meant if some character in a mystery ordered "gin and lemonade" or something like that, and I also remember a British travel writer mentioning how much they had enjoyed "American-style flat lemonade."
evilJaze@reddit
This is a very American-cebtric sub.
ghandi3737@reddit
Sparkling water?
DBsnooper1@reddit
Then what do you call sparkling water?
evilJaze@reddit
A Royale with cheese.
hurtloam@reddit
We don't really drink that. I guess we would call it home made lemonade or cloudy lemonade.
haileyskydiamonds@reddit
It’s delicious. Perfect for summer, too! You can make it or buy a mix like Country Time. You should definitely try it when it’s hot out and over plenty of ice.
Own_Replacement_6489@reddit
IIRC they dont really drink lemonade across the pond.
In France a "limonade" also refers to a sprite or 7up style soda. They call our lemonade "citron presse" or sth like that.
haileyskydiamonds@reddit
Ohhh wow. They’re missing out, lol.
Alternative_Yak6172@reddit
Homemade lemonade. 7up is lemonade
SoloCongaLineChamp@reddit
That would make them wrong. Southerners in the US call every soda a Coke... they're also wrong.
edked@reddit
Wow, how ugly.
I_Got_Cred_Bishes@reddit
Well bless your heart.
IcebergSlimFast@reddit
I like the cut of your jib, my friend.
Maleficent-Leek2943@reddit
I’m a Brit, and while we do have a carbonated drink called lemonade which is similar to Sprite/7Up (just minus the lime), I’ve never heard anyone actually call Sprite/7Up lemonade.
hurtloam@reddit
I'm in Scotland. We just call anything vaguely fruit flavoured juice. Actually, we even call Irn Bru juice.
In language lessons at school we got told not to ask for lemonade in Europe because we would be served a bitter lemon drink. Instead ask for Sprite or 7UP.
hurtloam@reddit
Ooooooh. That's funny. I wondered why so many people were adamant it's not lemonade. I was so confused. Yes, we just call anything fizzy and citrus flavoured lemonade.
DBsnooper1@reddit
WHAT
ghandi3737@reddit
Kind of missing an ingredient.
Shibboleeth@reddit
Seven astronauts were killed when the space shuttle Challenger suffered a catastrophic favor.
Therefore NASA can't get 7 [astronauts] Up into space.
BDF106@reddit
Christie McCaluff's last words... What does this button do?
_plays_in_traffic_@reddit
im a dumb american and dont get it
yogorilla37@reddit
And where do astronauts go for holidays?
All over Florida.
Mark47n@reddit
How many astronauts fit in a VW bug? 11. Two in front, two in the rear, 7 in the ashtray.
I remember watching that. I also remember other kids getting in a lot of trouble for those jokes.
As for 9/11 jokes. Somehow that feels more sensitive. Perhaps because they didn't willingly strap themselves into a bomb with a million moving parts built by the lowest bidder.
Ok-Heart375@reddit
This is derived from a Holocaust joke.
Mark47n@reddit
I’ve got a few good Holocaust jokes. I learned them in Hebrew School.
Jokes can be used as a means of relieving tension, not just mockery.
Ok-Heart375@reddit
I agree, but not all jokes can be said by all people. I've had a good laugh at some jokes with my Jewish friend, but I would never tell the same jokes.
StanleyQPrick@reddit
Yes, when I heard it the question was a bit different and the answer was six million
BirdmanHuginn@reddit
What did Christa McAullife say to her husband before her flight? You feed the dogs and I’ll feed the fishes. That and the “need another” joke were in play THE NEXT FAWKIN DAY
Volstadd@reddit
How did they know Christa McAulife had dandruff?
They found her head and shoulders all over the beaches.
Admirable-Cobbler319@reddit
How did we all know the exact same jokes?!
NoFairFights@reddit
I’m not a specialist on joke construction or culture but these jokes have similar formats to other jokes about “tragic” material that I’ve heard. So I’d bet that people already knew the joke, but restructured it for the current topic. Ie: the Challenger exploded so get those explosion jokes out and reformat them for the current tragedy. I will note that the first time I heard the VW ashtray joke it was NOT about astronauts…just saying.
SaquonB26@reddit
You opened up a gold mine of Challenger jokes I never heard before. Thank you.
BDF106@reddit
What color were Christie McCaluff's eyes? Blue! One blew that way and the other blew that way!
Fartina69@reddit
How do we know Christa McCauliff had dandruff? We found her head and shoulders in our back yard.
JenninMiami@reddit
too soon!!! 😆
Speshal__@reddit
the top fell off.
DiamondEyesFlamingo@reddit
I wish I could remember! I found it to be along the lines of dark humor.
AbruptMango@reddit
Except there isn't a joke there to have any kind of humor.
Lou_Hodo@reddit
Maybe... some of us combat arms vets from that time find them funny. But we also find all sorts of crude things funny.
blackhorse15A@reddit
Veterans and dark humor go together like like peanut butter and jelly.
exscapegoat@reddit
Gallows humor is definitely a thing. I have military veterans and nurses in my family.
AbruptMango@reddit
And we find crayons tasty, so people really shouldn't take our pointers on a lot of things.
Salamanderonthefarm@reddit
Almost unbelievably, there are people who found it funny at the time. A guy at work not long after 9/11 sent a video to us all of some of the jumpers. He got pretty resoundingly bollocked right away, and the message went round “delete the email from Jimmy McNasty, or live to regret it”. I never wanted to see anything like that.
Bartlaus@reddit
Eh. People (including Americans) were making jokes about it on the same day.
starry_nite99@reddit
Oh wow, I do not remember that. I don’t really remember jokes even after a year, and I have dark humor.
Curious what state you were in when it happened?
DrMindbendersMonocle@reddit
I do. People were making jokes immediately. Sites like Something Awful and Ebaum's World were full of them.
starry_nite99@reddit
I replied to someone else, but I’m curious if proximity to NYC changed if and how people joked. I live in Philly. People in my dorm were trying to get in touch with relatives who traveled into NYC for work. We all ended up knowing someone who was directly affected or knew someone who knew someone.
Bartlaus@reddit
Early 2000s edgy Photoshop humour at its finest.
Bartlaus@reddit
Am not American. Was however on the internet,
starry_nite99@reddit
Oh ok. I have wondered if proximity to NYC especially matters, especially regarding joking. I get dark humor, but when living so close to everything it just feels different.
I live in Philadelphia. Was living in the dorms, and remember people being panicked making sure relatives of theirs were safe. My roommate’s friend calling and screaming on the answering machine is what woke us both up, because her dad took the train into NYC that morning and she couldn’t reach him.
My boyfriend was in the National Guard. We couldn’t spend NYE together that year because he was on guard at the GW Bridge.
By three months out, everyone either knew someone directly who was affected by it, or knew someone who knew someone.
Obvious_Home_4538@reddit
Not just Americans making the jokes…
blink_187em@reddit
IDK who needs to know this but recall TFG telling people he had the tallest building in NYC afterwards.
exscapegoat@reddit
I think jokes about the hijackers and terrorists or airport security or our own fears are ok for comedy. But not “jokes” about the victims or their families. Or the people who died or were injured in the ensuing wars. Unless they choose to work it into their own comedy.
If say Pete Davidson wanted to, that would be his choice.
And senator tammy ducksworth’s retort to Pete hegseth asking if he thought he lost her legs in a bar fight was outstanding.
For example, after they finally got bin Laden, I loved the osama drink special jokes, 2 shots and water was the punchline.
I worked in downtown and midtown Manhattan for many years. I wasn’t there on 9/11, but when I went back to work we were close enough to smell the lingering smoke as the rubble burned
And people were worried about another attack. At the next job I had after that, a co worker microwaved cabbage soup and the smell traveled through the vent system, permeating the entire floor and making people gag. More than a few of us (landmark building which is a high profile target) feared it was terrorism.
My way of coping was to laugh at myself and my fear. And to impersonate the line it’s not a tumor from kindergarten cop. Only I’d say bio terror or terrorism.
And I’d always had a fear of car tunnels, but not subway tunnels. I’ve never watched the movie daylight because of it. And I commuted through a tunnel daily at one point.
One threat was bombing tunnels. That made my fear worse. I made a cd with some songs about fear and dennis learys routine about poodle block. And I paid attention to which sides of the tunnel had the emergency exits. I always wore a scarf so I could cover my nose and mouth. And I carried a small flashlight. My brother and I made jokes about post apocalyptic commuters.
I subscribe to a sub which is mostly memes and shit posts about mad men. The opening credits feature the main character falling in Manhattan. Someone thought it was funny to post a photo of the famous falling man photo taken on 9/11. I didn’t find it funny and I thought it was awful.
Coldf1re@reddit
We will unfortunately be alive to see a 9/11 themed amusement park ride of some sort. Kinda like those Titanic slides.
Juanfartez@reddit
Yup, Titanic jokes annoy me because my great grandparents were supposed to be on the Titanic. They got tickets as a wedding present from great grandma's cousin Wallace Hartley the band leader. They had to take another ship because of the coal strike. Titanic sailed a day behind them and when they got to New York the paperboys were yelling Titanic Sinks! She lost her cousin and all his band mates.
Flux_My_Capacitor@reddit
Oh, yours, too?
My great grandmother had a ticket but was denied passage. THANK FUCK as she was 3rd class.
Juanfartez@reddit
It's amazing how little things like that would mean we wouldn't be here if it went the other way.
AdminsGotSmolPP@reddit
I’m alive and old enough. I don’t mind a good 9/11 joke. I also worked for a company that hosted the NYPD and NYFD on the anniversaries to hold memorials. I’ve seen many firemen cry over the memory of a friends bronzed boots.
I don’t take it personal. I have laughed at plenty of other jokes poking fun of other tragedies, why would 9/11 be different?
SaquonB26@reddit
Was it the “who are the fastest readers?” Joke?
(9/11 jumpers-they did 100 stories in less than a minute).
abstractraj@reddit
I lived in NYC at the time but happened to be in California for work that week. I had a CA local call it a “bummer”. Yup, 9/11 was a bit of a bummer…
OreoSpeedwaggon@reddit
He probably didn't even know what it means. He probably just think it's something people just type when they didn't know what they want to say next.
exscapegoat@reddit
My reaction as well
Recon_Figure@reddit
"Vibe of life" 🙄
HawkingzWheelchair@reddit
Damn that makes me feel old. Not as old as my daughter being 5 on 9/11 makes me feel though.
isuxirl@reddit
Airports in the US were hella different. I remember growing up in the 80s some of my mom's friends talking about hanging out at the airport just to people watch.
isuxirl@reddit
Oh also, sure 9/11 changed some things but the Internet changed our daily lives waaaaay more.
bungeebrain68@reddit
The Internet made people WAY more ignorant IMO
icrossedtheroad@reddit
You have all this information in front of you and you choose the least informative....
Monkeynutz_Johnson@reddit
We were promised the jedi library and all the knowledge of the universe at our fingertips. Instead we got the national enquired and tictok challenges.
diningroomjesus@reddit
We had it, it turned into a mall
once the money people figured out how to monetize everything it was doomed
then the currency became likes
now i'm depressed
please don't leave me wikipedia
StanleyQPrick@reddit
We have all the knowledge and info we were promised. Many prefer ticktock and 4chan. It's the audience that's flawed, not the medium.
try-catch-finally@reddit
Not at all- “all this information” isn’t limited to “all human knowledge” like an Encyclopedia Galactica, vetted by the respected experts and scholars of the world
It also includes every incoherent rambling by every weird racist drunk uncle Bob- and there’s usually NO DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THAT AND A PEER REVIEWED SCIENCE PUBLICATION
Plus, you know, people lie. All. The. Time.
Sumeriandawn@reddit
No, we were always ignorant. It’s just that the internet exposed this side of humanity.
CrowsSayCawCaw@reddit
I remember in the 90s taking my teenage niece who spent the summer visiting us New Jersey relatives to the airport for her to go back home out west, with my mom (her grandma) in tow and we went early and had a snack there, walked around the terminal and hung out at the gate with her until it was for her to board the plane. Yeah, those days are gone forever.
Bob_12_Pack@reddit
I was surprised to find that in Australia you can still meet people at the gate in the domestic terminals.
StanleyQPrick@reddit
Forever? I hope not.
exscapegoat@reddit
Also being able to meet arriving flights right at the gate
Ianthin1@reddit
Yeah. Sometimes our grandparents would take us to lunch at a place in the terminal. Lots of locals trolled the bars for people on layovers. When you dropped off or picked someone up you could just go straight to the gate after a quick pass through a metal detector.
EcstaticYoghurt7467@reddit
We adopted our daughter in March of 2001 from overseas. All our friends and family met us at the gate.
StanleyQPrick@reddit
I'm very glad you got to experience that
evanbartlett1@reddit
- Your airport pickup could meet you at the gate. There would be a gaggle of people all poking their heads over each other to see the people coming out of the plane. There would be a big hug and hekllo, and often a very quick chat right there at the gate. Then off to the car.
- Smoking indoors was legal and common. In some places when you would go to a restaurant, the host would ask "Smoking or Non-Smoking" before seating you in the proper place.
-There was a general sense of cohesion and trust. Political disagreements could happen and both sides could feel when it was time to stop. Therefore many people were much more moderate in their political positioning.
-Cell phones were not yet common. If you made plans with friends, you had to be there. To not show would imply something serious happening.
- Two ways to interact with a person - telephone or in person. That was it. Communication between people was deeper and community was easier to find.
-Parents were more trusting of the world outside. Kids could play in the street or go exploring. "Mom- we're going out."
"Ok, hun. Dinner is at 7:30."
"Ok"
Cpncerns about kidnapping or theft were nil.
- We would get letters in the mail from friends and family members. And not just birthdays. Spam mail did not exist.
- Grocery stores had fewer choices per item, and produce tended to be more seasonal. If it was out of season, you're generally out of luck.
- Plane service was significantly different. It was common to get a meal on a 4 hour flight, even in couch. Stewardesses would have little bobbles for kids - like a "United Airlines" pin you could put on your shirt.. If you asked nicely, you could go up to the cockpit and watch them prep for the flight. They would sometimes do a quick show of some of the features. (Damn, that was so cool.)
- People were just generally... friendlier. If you were in line at the grocery store it was not uncommon to strike up. a convo with the person in front of you just to pass the time. (My parents met theiir to-this-day best friends in line to see a movie in the early 1980's. People were just more chill.
-No crawl at the bottom of news channels. That crawl started after 9/11 to keep up with the news as things were uncovered.
- People were less envirotnmentally conscious. There was a trash can. Full stop. But there was also less packaging than what we have today - I just opened a package of bell peppers and had to go through a paper bag, 2 plastic bags, and one hard plastic container to get to the tthing that needed to be washed and peeled.
TheNolaCatLady@reddit
I remember people smoking on commercial flights in the 80's.
Tempus__Fuggit@reddit
Early 90s for me. Plus movie theatres, busses, the office...
digdugnate@reddit
I was thinking about this last night because I was remembering the ash can outside one of our local Radio Shacks. They used to get mad when people brought lit cigarettes inside. lol
TheNolaCatLady@reddit
I used to smoke in my office in the 90's. 😂
NotReallyButMaybeNot@reddit
Those asking to be ‘away’ from smoking areas were the odd ones out…
qu_o@reddit
I remember smoking on a commercial flight in 1994
MeTieDoughtyWalker@reddit
One of my old bosses used to sell cigarettes on flights. Marlboro would pay him to fly all over the country just selling cigarettes to people in the air. Wild times.
badannbad@reddit
My mom is 74 and she said her and her friend would do this at SFO for fun. They would just walk around and watch people coming and going. This seems so odd to me.
isuxirl@reddit
I'm only guessing because I didn't fly a lot until I was in my 30s, but back then people used to dress nicely for flights, didn't they? Maybe that was a factor.
badannbad@reddit
She said people would be happy and sad and dressed up and just interesting. She said they would get high and walk around.
MeTieDoughtyWalker@reddit
I remember how lax security was. My buddy used to always wear a knife on his belt, just like a pocketknife for whatever reason. He made it all the way to Canada before he realized he had had it on him the entire time. Like how did they not see that even in those days?
Strict_Weather9063@reddit
Dude first plane I flew on was in 78, thanksgiving and a family reunion all in one. We walked into the airport, through the metal detectors yes it had them and road the tram to the plan everyone could do this. Then flew back to Kansas, we arrive like an hour before the flight took thirty minutes the get to the terminal and board. Now you three hours and that is just to clear security and get to the terminal.
7LeagueBoots@reddit
Yeah, but that had started to change long before 9/11.
Flying in the 90s was nothing like flying in the ‘80s, let alone the ‘70s.
Fit-Examination-2156@reddit
Yeah everyone who complains about how crowded gates are have no idea what it was like before.
Craig1974@reddit
Life was pretty much the same before, except that surveillance cameras are everywhere (and we seem fine with that). More hassle at airports. More security in the logistics industries.
CiderDrinker2@reddit
Before 9/11, I could pull an all-nighter, drink without a hangover, run three miles without even getting out of breath, and stand up for as long as I wanted without being crippled by back pain. Damn terrorists!
Blue_Henri@reddit
We will never be old, even when we’re in our nineties. GenX is going to be perpetually thirty something. That said, I do sometimes feel like we’re in an alternate timeline of our reality. Like somewhere around Bill Clinton’s second term something jumped the tracks and set us off into…this. 🥴
jase40244@reddit
Is that why I feel compelled to claim I'm 37?
Haunting_Bottle7493@reddit
Mentally I'm 28. Physically I'm 60.
Blue_Henri@reddit
Yaaaasssssss. You’re only as old as you feel.
Quintipluar@reddit
So 97 then.
icrossedtheroad@reddit
I just rolled over to grab a drink of water and it hurts so bad.
badannbad@reddit
I’m 44 now but someone asked me my age in my late 30’s and I automatically responded that I was like 3 yrs younger. I immediately corrected myself but it was shocking to me- I was living in another time in my mind.
Johnnyhellhole@reddit
I'm 56 and feel like a very young 42.
MandatoryFun@reddit
I believe the fissure occurred when they killed Harambe.
OGREtheTroll@reddit
Harambe was the nail in the coffin, when we finally went too far and can never go back.
shotsallover@reddit
Nah. It was when they found the Higgs boson in 2012.
Blue_Henri@reddit
Rip 🦍
ConsistentAd3157@reddit
Yeah man, I am with you on that. Shit has gotten weird. Life has become a parody comedy of 1984.
Affectionate-Big2835@reddit
Chaperoned a band trip to NYC. Visited the 9/11 Memorial and Center. My kid saw the column with the insignias of different first responders, the fire truck with the cab sheared and twisted, and all the other bits and pieces we’d immediately recognize. Hardest part for me was a projector display. It fired images of the hand written missing person posters that went up in the days following. A poster would display and fade as another would display and fade away. Over and over. Bought back the memories of people jumping to their deaths. Thoughts of people vaporized. My daughter asked about that and I had to explain that many people said good bye to their loved ones that morning not knowing they’d literally never see them again. Had carefully the workers sifted through the rubble to find any piece of remains, used DNA to ID, and returned maybe a finger sized piece of bone to a family. I can’t imagine the gut wrenching agony of receiving the news remains were found a year later and they’re the size of a golf pencil. She talked about how they were taught about 9/11 in school but being born two years afterward it was “a thing that happened.” (Can’t blame her. JFKs assassination was huge for my parents but a historical event to me). She told me that the visit really brought home the dreadfulness of 9/11. Several of the kids in my group chatted over lunch that day about what they saw and what it meant to them and to the people who lived it. The visit, the memorial, the center - they accomplished their task.
ShirazGypsy@reddit
I flew to London to study abroad and fall of 2000 and my entire family walked me all the way to my airport gate to watch me off.
MowgeeCrone@reddit
As I was chastising my young dentist on him confusing Bonnie Tyler for Abba, he interrupted and asked,
"Do you remember 2003?"
"Yes, it was 4-5 years ago!"
"2003 was before I was born!"
Talk about having a 'how do you do, fellow kids', moment.
Am I retired? Lol, noooo. I don't even know what I want to do when I grow up.
WHAT IS HAPPENING?
jujioux@reddit
Your dentist was born after 2003?? I’m speechless.
MowgeeCrone@reddit
He was doing prac placement for his degree. As was his assistant, who was the elder of the two having being born in 2003.
Diarygirl@reddit
Must have been a child prodigy.
toomuchtv987@reddit
Okay, but…the “kid” is 22 years old and that along makes me feel old AF.
(Yes, I also sarcastically use “kid” as a term for someone younger than me, so I know that was probably a joke, but I still had to remind myself that people born in the early-2000s are fully adults now.)
Distinct_Plankton_82@reddit
I actually answered this guy.
I don't know if was my age then, or whether something did really change. But if you'd asked me on Jan 1st 1998 would the lives of kids born today be better or worse than ours, I'd hve said yes.
If you'd asked me that same question on Jan 1st 2002 (or any year since) I'd have probably said no.
I don't think it was just 9/11, I think there were a lot of factors, but that's about the time I feel like it changed.
Raccoon_Expert_69@reddit
Columbine changed everything for kids before 9/11
Distinct_Plankton_82@reddit
100% that was a big watershed moment too. Although at the time I thought that was going to be a one of tragedy, a bit like the OKC bombing. I was not expecting that to become a regualr occurrence.
blackhorse15A@reddit
Feels odd to me to call OKC bombing a one off. Two years after World Trade Center bombing. Bombings had been on the rise for several years. The Unabomber had started up again in 1993-1995 after a few years break from the multiple bombings in the 70s-80s. Khobar Tower was a year later.
Grease2310@reddit
The first recorded US school shooting was in Greencastle PA on July 26th 1764 before we were even a nation of our own design. It resulted in 11 deaths, just 4 shy of Columbine. There were countless other school shootings after that day and before Columbine. What made Columbine different was the media coverage. It was the first time in recording history that we had basically 24/7 media coverage of an event like that. The event itself didn’t change everything the reporting did. The rampant speculation by media that video games were somehow involved, the almost glorification of the two perpetrators who should never have been named publicly, but instead over and over and over again, inspiring copycats… media and it’s thirst for views based on the backs of every day Americans suffering is what changed everything that day.
AbruptMango@reddit
Forget about Columbine, we had school shooting jokes long before that. Sandy Hook really y changed things.
Mr_Mumbercycle@reddit
No. It was Columbine. I'm at the ass end of Gen-X, so was still close enough to high school with younger friends to see how things changed. Metal detectors, security checkpoints, shooter drills, all of that stuff went into place the Fall after Columbine (99) when we never had anything like it before.
Columbine was also the flash point for the massive ramp up in school shootings to follow. Sure, we had school shootings before Columbine (I remember Paduka, KY particularly), much in the same way we had terrorist attacks before 9/11 (hell, the Twin Towers were even bombed before), but 9/11 and Columbine are notable because of the scale and because of our response and how they changed daily life in America.
BetMyLastKrispyKreme@reddit
I worked at a college campus library during both events. You’d think a library is a quiet place, and you’d be right, but not like it was on those two days. It was somehow all the more terrible, knowing that hundreds of people were stunned into silence by what we were all experiencing. I have always wished I’d taken the day off and gone home.
LavenderGwendolyn@reddit
I feel like 9/11 stoked the racism and division that we see today. There were still racists and other assholes before, for sure, but it seemed like most people were trying to get along. 9/11 gave people a reason to be suspicious of their fellow humans and a reason to judge people by the color of their skin.
icrossedtheroad@reddit
It's weird, cause yeah it changed everything. And Bush Junior was a mess, but fucking hell! His simple war and minor faux pas were so fucking minimal compared to the phenomenal shit show of today. I cried when the Bush Sr. got voted in. I hated Junior, but I could still see myself doing lines with him, you know? 911 fucked us up, but today is so gross. I was scared, but I didn't feel dirty and alone.
Comfortable_Gur_2824@reddit
It feels like The United States is becoming an enemy of the world with a few unfortunate exceptions. It’s all turned on its head. You nailed it with the dirty and alone. Harder and harder to find people I feel safe to talk to.
icrossedtheroad@reddit
Oh, no no no, The orange buffoon just said America is more respected than it's ever been. Eggs are like 5 cents and gas is only a buck fitty. That weird antiquated word (yeah fuck that, he doesn't know what antiquated means, he only knows "old fashioned") GROCERIES are like being handed out for zero cash. God, I wonder if one would ask where he would buy groceries, what would he answer. Cause if groceries are old fashioned, than grocery stores don't exist anymore. Fucking fuck. Imma go punch my vagina and thank god he would no longer have interest in it.
No-Hospital559@reddit
I believe this is correct, 9/11 was a catalyst for a storm that was coming eventually.
Pewpew-OuttaMyWaay@reddit
America was attacked .. but it felt like the world lost its innocence that day
Sumeriandawn@reddit
The world? I doubt it. Did human nature really change that much?
Did people stop dreaming? Did people give up on life? Did people stop having fun?
No.
Pewpew-OuttaMyWaay@reddit
Apologies but u r incorrect my friend .. the world’s soul changed that day .. no doubt about it
Adventurous_Class_90@reddit
No. But America began to really lose its soul. But that started earlier with Gingrinch…
Sumeriandawn@reddit
I feel that I personally wasn't changed by that day. Maybe I'm wrong about that and I'm totally in denial. Who knows?
The people in my personal life, I didn't notice any change in them.
The part about losing innocence. Years before 9-11, I was a misanthropic teen. I guess I didn't lose any innocence because I didn't have much of it to begin with. Humanity has always had its dark and evil moments( slavery, genocide, WW2).
About the world losing its innocence. There are over 190 nations in the world. It's hard to know of the mindset of every country, but maybe it didn't affect the people in developing countries as much. For example, my parents immigrated to this country in 1980. Back when they were young in their home country, they had to live through a civil war in which at least HALF A MILLION people died in their country. People who gone through something like that, they're used to ugliness, would 9-11 really had made them lose their innocence or change their soul? So I think it didn't affect non-Americans and some immigrants as much.
Mysterious-Simple805@reddit
Flew on a plane on 9/10. Security was a quick walk through a metal detector. No line to speak of because it was the off season. I was able to bring a bottle of Pepsi with me. The stewardess jokingly pretended to be in distress during the safety demonstration. When we landed the stewardess said "You just finished the safest part of your trip."
The idea of a plane crashing into a building was a cartoonish joke. See the movie Airplane or the "cockpit" gag from Beavis and Butt-Head do America. Think there was an episode of The A Team that had an airplane crash into a building. I also think there was a Far Side comic where someone looked out the window of a building to see a plane and just said something like "I hate Mondays." A scene from Lilo and Stitch had to be reanimated because of a scene where an airplane flew too close to some buildings.
CoderPro225@reddit
There were SO many movies and shows that filmed in NYC or used footage of the NYC skyline that had to be reshot or edited after that, so images of the towers didn’t go out on TV or in theaters. And I think there was some sort of disaster movie either in production or planned for release not soon after that just…..went away. They decided it would be in bad taste and it wasn’t released.
Takara38@reddit
The Sum of All Fears was in production at the time. If I remember correctly, they paused for a bit to rewrite the script to be different than the book. The movie ended using Russia as the supposed bad guys while the book was Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Israel, a whole mix of shit if my memory is serving me correctly.
NachtXmusik21@reddit
I had to fly a few days after, out of LAX. I was born in NYC, my grandfather was NYPD, fave great-uncle too (he only died a few yrs ago in his 90s). at the time, my cousin (from NY) was living in Boston & I was praying he hadn't been on that flight. another cousin (from other side of family) worked 2 blocks away from WTC. when I was a kid in 70s & 80s, when I could pick out the twin towers on the horizon, was how I knew we were getting close to Grandma's house (from the GW bridge...).
when I landed home in NorCal from LAX (on a flight I'd taken 20x before), the ride on the airport shuttle was the eeriest thing I've ever experienced STILL in my now 51yrs. I had traveled over that causeway 500x & (even@ 3am), it had NEVER been like that. 3000 miles away from the rubble & carnage & there was NO ONE on the road but us. at 10am on a work day. it absolutely WAS like some post apocalyptic/where the fuck is everyone experience. where you didn't see physical damage (all the way across the country), but you also SAW the impact; it was like the aftermath of an atomic bomb without the bomb...
First_Code_404@reddit
Basically, a horrible event happened, and those in charge took advantage of the event by preying on Americans' patriotism to consolidate and expand power. They declared war on a method, terrorism, that can never end, therefore, "unlimited power"
SimmerMomma@reddit
What’s really striking about 9/11 is how a mention results in a sharing of emotion and memories for people our age. In a good way because I remember in the immediate aftermath people being kinder and then things went to 💩 in my experience.
I don’t know if this was mentioned because, so many comments, the anthrax letters added a lot to any anxiety people were feeling. It seemed like 9/11 part 2. I’m in NY, maybe this was bigger news in NY. I’m thinking about how I would have answered the question. It seemed after anthrax it was like “what’s next?”
PurpleFugi@reddit
The airport wasn't stupid.
Money_Engineering_59@reddit
I find it mind boggling that the mayor of NY helped guide spiritually wounded citizens through this tragedy and now he’s….. um…. An unstable, amoral twat waffle with what can only be described as senility?
What happened?
exscapegoat@reddit
Rudy was always a jerk who managed to rally to decency during 9/11
icrossedtheroad@reddit
He went from a complete loser to an American hero to a shit show of a hair stained sycophant asshole and now we hear nothing. If only for the rest.
Money_Engineering_59@reddit
I hope we never hear of him again and I’m not even American. Just his face gives me the creeps.
icrossedtheroad@reddit
If he didn't do some evil shit, he's kind of forgivably adorable. But, there's that whole nepodeathshit.
cityfireguy@reddit
I think a lot of people in that thread and others talking about what the 90s were like absolutely weren't there or they were 5 years old at the time and remember it as a child does.
Lets take off the rose colored glasses and remember how it really was.
The music was grunge and the films were independent, violent, and cynical. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Tarantino, Singles, Reality Bites.
Did we have it good compared to now? Absolutely. Did we realize that and appreciate it? Absolutely not. We pretended no one had ever had it worse than we did, having to grow up and get decent jobs and work for decades. We treated that like a death sentence and the only true path to happiness was being a rock star or famous actor.
Go watch one of those movies we love to brag about, listen to any of the music. We acted like we were absolutely screwed over by a system that was, at the time, running as smooth as it ever would again. You can argue whether we truly had it good or not, but we sure as hell did not appreciate it at the time. We were not optimistic about the future. We were petulant and angry. If you don't believe me, again, we have the music and movies of our generation to look back at.
It sure as shit wasn't what people are pretending it was.
No-Hospital559@reddit
It was better, no lies.
I watched both buildings fall in disbelief from my roof top and the feeling I had was absolute gloom. The chain of events that happened after 9/11 due to the attacks have been an absolute disaster. Bogged down in Afghanistan fighting ghosts. Military adventures in Iraq, destabilizing the entire region. Congress giving away too much power to the president..... On and on. ..
TooManyPaws@reddit
I still can’t watch footage of it. Makes me sick. 9/11 is a media blackout day for me.
No-Hospital559@reddit
I agree, I can't watch anything about it. I haven't been to the museum yet and only visited the new WTC last year for the first time since 9/11. I lived in NYC for 13 years after 2001 in the Union Square area, it was an easy place to visit but I kept away.
exscapegoat@reddit
I never got to the museum. I’ve been to the new wtc a few times. And I’ve been to the memorial a few times. The area seems to finally be coming back. Between 9/11, Sandy and then Covid, downtown has been through a lot
exscapegoat@reddit
I dread the major anniversaries like 2011 and 2021. News coverage starts in July.
I’m anticipating next year will be like that as well, as it will be 25 years. I’m definitely traveling outside of the nyc area. Preferably to another country.
lissabeth777@reddit
Yeah and it was such a huge hit to everyone after "surviving" the Y2K panic and the resulting optimism. There was just so much potential and everybody was growing and earning and everything was awesome until it wasn't that morning. Everything changed when that second plane hit the building. It was like an entire generation lost their innocence in one moment.
Grafakos@reddit
The "growing and earning" was more of a '90s thing. The US economy was already in a recession by September 10, 2001. The Nasdaq had fallen by 66% from its March 2000 peak due to the dot-com bust (it subsequently went even lower). The S&P 500 was down 22% over the same period.
Of course 9/11 made things even worse. The stock market didn't bottom out until 2003, and remained relatively flat for most of the decade. Meanwhile the Fed lowered interest rates to near zero, which started inflating the housing bubble which later caused the 2008 meltdown. All of this during what should have been Gen X's prime earning years.
Ok-Limit-9726@reddit
World changed.
It’s like we were hopeful and naive before 9/11, even in Australia i knew in seconds after seeing the second tower fall the world would change, war would come.
I would pay anything to go back to the joyful and hopeful times of 2000 Olympics in Sydney, best year in history in my opinion.
SpriteyRedux@reddit
Gen X age gracefully challenge (impossible)
TheJokersChild@reddit
Why are they laughing?
JJQuantum@reddit
My sons were born in 2006 and 2010 so this would be a perfectly valid question from them.
thedrunkensot@reddit
NGL, the little shit needs slapped for the LMFAO, like anything about that time was funny in the least.
NachtXmusik21@reddit
agreed on that. actually repeated it after I read it & went wtf? turned me off to giving a shit or a real answer. fuck 'em...
Flux_My_Capacitor@reddit
Kids today are just being brainwashed by TikTok. Look no further than how they defend bin Laden. I don’t think they really care to understand.
jase40244@reddit
Except the world didn't change because of 9/11, just our perception of it.
Sumeriandawn@reddit
Agree. Government policies changed, but the lives of most people didn’t change that much. Human nature is hard to change in a relatively short time
Fun_Independent_7529@reddit
Disagree, at least when it comes to
a) airports / flying
b) The Patriot Act and it's impact on due process for detaining someone indefinitely, as well as surveillance.
Expontoridesagain@reddit
My kid and I were talking and she said that it's funny that I'm "older than the internet". She also said that she couldn't imagine how life was without. What did we do with our time?? Oh, my sweet child, we were more social without social media. I was home to sleep and eat, and they had to yell to get me to come inside, lol.
Realistic_Young9008@reddit
Both of my kids were born after 9/11 and are also fascinated by it and about how free things were before.
Sauterneandbleu@reddit
In 1995 in my grunge clothes, with tattoos, the flight attendant took me to the (open) cockpit of my transatlantic flight, where I talked to the pilots, and still have the picture of me sitting in the copilots seat with my hands on the wheel. It was truly a different world. They used to do that stuff
icrossedtheroad@reddit
My favorite memory was an empty flight with just me and my two girlfriends traveling to our bestie's wedding. NO ONE ELSE on the plane. The flight attendant loved us. We had a blast. I'm kinda bummed now that we didn't use our female 90s youth prowess to meet the Captain. But we did get plenty of peanuts and whatnot!
doodgedly-done@reddit
The 90s really seemed like a great bright future. Then 9/11 happened. My friend called me at 6 AM that morning and asked me to turn on the TV. I asked “why”. He responded “Look what has been done in the name of Allah”
icrossedtheroad@reddit
My housemate got a call from her friend in NY, holing up in that famous church. I was the only one in our "arty house" that had a tv. We watched the second tower go down. I was engrossed in any internet coverage for the next two weeks. We are a sick breed.
Fast-Benders@reddit
The biggest change was the attitude of Americans. In the 90s, most people were optimistic. The Cold War was over. The economy was booming. Government had a surplus. The U.S. had no rival on the world stage. The Dot com bubble made a lot of people money.
After 9/11, everyone got scared. All the security got dial up to 11. The military and police spending was cranked up. They squandered the surplus with large tax cuts. The recession in 2001 ended the economic boom. U.S. fought 2 wars with less than 1% of the population. They told everyone to ignore the wars and go shopping. White America became more scared of brown people.
Americans became pessimistic. Fear is everywhere. Everyone is worried about their physical and financial insecurity. Gun and home security sales are skyrocketing. People are more isolated. Suicides have been rising among young men.
golfgimp@reddit
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AloHaHa2023@reddit
I’m not from NY nor do I have any connections to the 9-11 vitamins, but going to see the site where the building stood made me feel so emotional and sad. It was like a sense of grief wash over me, this is in 2017.
I was a civilian working on a military base, so lots of confusion in the first weeks to months. It went from waving people in to 100% security checks.
House1219@reddit
jeffislearning@reddit
funny story we do business with them now
SushiGradePanda@reddit
If HST had lived, I can't even imagine what he'd have to say about the current state of America.
ob1dylan@reddit
Probably something along the lines of "I told you pig-fuckers so!"
AaronJeep@reddit
I don't know how other people saw it, but I know what I remember thinking first and the most on the morning of 9/11. My first thought was something like, "Oh my god! This will never end. We will never hear the end of this. They won't let us forget."
I knew that everything would change. I knew people would want war and blood - and politicians would scramble to give it to them. I knew we wouldn't be rational about anything. I had no way of knowing how they would change things, but I knew that they would use this to change just about everything.
Everyone else seemed to be concerned with the human tragedy of it all. All I saw was 15 years from now we will still be hearing about this. I knew it wouldn't go away. Every time something happens, politicians always feel like they have to do something about it.
What I mean is this; we should have gone in to Afghanistan, found Bin Laden, shot him on sight, came home, rebuilt the towers just the way they were... and brushed the dust off our shoulders like nothing happened. Like it was just a scratch and they didn't achieve anything. Instead, we started two wars, declared a war on terrorism, made giant memorials, spent trillions, passed sweeping laws, altered our way of life... and got little to nothing for it.
Prior to that day, things did feel better. It felt like the Cold War was over, there was some stray hot spots here and there from the effects of fighting the Cold War, but there was reason to be optimistic in general. It's not that things were perfect, but 9/11 felt like a giant turning point. Like someone let a huge stone roll down a hill that was going to drag us all down with it. Prior to 9/11 you watched the news and it was repetitive nonsense. It was bad news, but it was stuff like the OJ Simpson chase. After, it was watching smart bombs crash into some building in some Middle Eastern country - 24/7, for years and years.
It just feels like it all went to shit after that.
MetalTrek1@reddit
Agree with all of that. And I was IN Manhattan that day, working (midtown, and had to rush out on a ferry back to NJ).
massiveattach@reddit
the men who flew the planes into those towers got exactly what they wanted, and
we did it to ourselves.
badannbad@reddit
Wow. Everyone has their where I was when 9/11 happened story but not anymore. Mine is I was asleep and my brother burst into my room (scaring the hell out of me) and told me to look at the tv. I did but I honestly assumed it was in another country because it was so bad so I went back to sleep. Sounds cold but it’s the truth. Obviously later I found out it was here and it was the twin towers.
Ok-Explanation-9208@reddit
Rage bait. Don’t feed the trolls.
Blue_Henri@reddit
A lot of that here tonight. Wonder what’s up.
Dahnlor@reddit
A millenial co-worker of mine once asked what the '80s were like.
Kind-Pop-7205@reddit
Totally rad
hopelesscaribou@reddit
I knew the day it happened that nothing would ever be the same again. It marked the end of an era for me.
But yeah, fair enough, we're kinda old now, it was almost a quarter of a century ago.
Dangerous_Ad_213@reddit
middle east was far away now USA war had come to us.
starry_nite99@reddit
I was always told that America lost its innocence when JFK was assassinated, that it changed our country forever. I never understood, then 9/11 happened.
I think 9/11 did the same too. Whatever innocence there was got ripped away.
Ancient_Solution_420@reddit
WhatsApp next? Will they ask about life before internet?
Sixguns1977@reddit
There was no patriot act and no DHS, so... better.
blink_187em@reddit
I was at 29 Palms doing a CAX that day. Yes, the world was a VERY different place.
realsalmineo@reddit
It didn’t actually change everything. That was said to generate news ratings.
StOnEy333@reddit
Flying was a breeze. Simple walk through the metal detector was all it took.
Grafakos@reddit
My coworkers and I used to compete to see who could get to the airport as late as possible and still catch our flights. I used to show up at LAX 30 minutes before takeoff and easily make it to the plane before the doors closed.
Status-Effort-9380@reddit
I was a yoga teacher in NC. A year after the tower fell, a steady stream of newcomers came to class, fleeing NYC because they no longer felt safe. I developed a class on feeling safe and taught it over and over again.
Soon after, I moved to Long Island. It was still so present. Every person had a story of being in New York that day, or having a friend who died. One coworker was a volunteer firefighter. The leader of her unit was the person who was supposed to get people off the roof with a helicopter, but it wasn’t safe and the flight had to be scuttled. One of my best friends spoke of walking an entire marathon that day in flip flops as he moved away from the falling towers and debris.
It’s going to be a long time before people in NY can move on.
AnastasiaNo70@reddit
It wasn’t THAT different. Air travel certainly changed.
7LeagueBoots@reddit
A lot of people here are remembering flying in ‘80s and early ‘90s.
9/11 changed a lot of things, but many of those changes had already been put in place not long before 9/11.
Effective_Play_1366@reddit
Valid question for someone that age.
the0neRand0m@reddit
Well my friend we are old people.
MansSearchForMeming@reddit
I grew up near the Canadian border. Crossing back and forth into Canada used to be super chill. Much less so after 9/11.
One-Kaleidoscope3162@reddit
Me reading this like
Reginald_Sockpuppet@reddit
It's a fair question
trmentry@reddit
i can't stand flying now due to the security theater that goes on now in airports.
Johnnyhellhole@reddit
Serious question: what's so bad about it?
YourIgnoranceOurPain@reddit
That’s due to Richard Reid, not 9/11.
emilythequeen1@reddit
It was Persian Gulf War. Operation Desert Storm. Other terrorism. Blowjobs in the oral office. Which might be better than what we have now? Now it just blows.
But 9/11 is when they talked everyone it no Big Brother stuff. It’s when we decided to sacrifice freedom for security. OFAC lists, and Patriot act. Oh well. We’re all used to 24-7 self surveillance anyway. So no big loss.
whoisisthis@reddit
Run straight from the parking garage to the plane like on home alone.
ArtisticDegree3915@reddit
I went back to college late and graduated in 2015. I hink about 2013 I was in a class and the instructor was a veteran. It's the first or second class of the year right before 9/11. The instructor said "Have I not told y'all my 9/11 story?" Which he hadn't, and then he did.
But what we realized from this, because I was about his age and we were the only two old people in there, was that everybody else in the room was in fifth grade when 9/11 happened. It is a non-event to them. They don't have significant memories about it. It's just something they read about. And that's for people that are 34 or 35 years old now.
Of course I'm not saying every 35-year-old doesn't have a memory of it. I remember the Challenger blowing up. And that's probably about the equivalent for me. I don't have a significant emotional memory from that. I just remember that it happened.
And if anybody wants to know what this instructor's 9/11 story was. He was in Hawaii in the Navy. I believe I knew he was a veteran but I didn't know what he had done in the Navy. So he's telling his story and they had to grab their go bags, which was an indication to me that this guy wasn't just a cook. They had to get to the base. And this is really early because of the time zones. So I think he's saying it's like 4 in the morning or something. Everyone barely knew what was going on at this point. And they get to base and the gate is closed because we're under attack. So they had to grab their bags and haul ass across this bridge on foot.
Anyway, at some point either then or throughout the semester he told us he had started out as a machinist mate and served in Somalia (Blackhawk Down movie). And then he had transferred to Naval intelligence where he was then attached to the SEALs. He saw combat on two more continents with them. That means he was in combat zones on three different continents in his career and I figured that's probably pretty rare today. Maybe not so much during World War II, although maybe.
The thing is, I didn't really get into this, but this was a total nerd looking guy. Nerd glasses. Smedium shirt. Total finance nerd sitting here teaching a finance class. Working on his phd. You look like he stayed home on Friday nights eating Cheetos and watching Star trek. I never would have imagined that he had this kind of military career. Although I should have because I had known other veterans who had this same nerdy and very unassuming demeanor.
So he was just living his best life. Riding is Harley to campus. Dating freshman. That's not a joke. Teaching finance and working on his phd.
Donmexico666@reddit
We are doomed.
GenX50PlusF@reddit
What was it like? How long have they got? What do they want to hear?
Weird-Girl-675@reddit
The lmfao has me too ragey to reply.
Wuz314159@reddit
Anyone remember bus/train/airport lockers?
a movie that couldn't be made today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k780sfoXGq4
porkchopespresso@reddit
I always joke the TSA precheck is "1990s level airport security packaged as convenience" but since I travel so much for work I get every available option to improve today's process.
Otherwise, I'm not sure what else changed for daily life. Like there was a pretty much rubber stamped approval to send troops and/or go to war after that, but wars don't really hit regular civilians like it used to.
Resident_Lion_@reddit
i remember going to germany in the late 80s to see the wall and thinking, "that's fucking crazy that soldiers just walk around the airport with ak's here." then 9/11 happened and when i flew again i remember seeing our soldiers at the airports with m16's gave me really odd flashbacks.