It's only a matter of time before something truly terrible unfolds. In times like these, predators and degenerates will hide in plain sight, using the chaos as cover for their unspeakable acts.

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Radiant_Repeat_8735@reddit

Have we considered the possibility that these guys simply had an empty spot on their armor and uniform where a patch would go…. And so they went to the place where everyone buys anything and put it there? I mean, it could be this is a clandestine kill squad intent on pretending to be federal agents to capture innocent people. Probably the first thing though

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Mother-Wolverine-319@reddit

How stupid are you? Obviously you trust these people to kidnap folks off the street. We need to be diligent. I was a cop for almost 25 years..the mismatched uniforms, lack of uniformity etc is worrisome and exceptionally inappropriate for this type of operation.

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Radiant_Repeat_8735@reddit

I’m a bit stupid. Not so stupid I would claim to know things that I’m not even in a position to know. You aren’t in a position to know who I trust, and the obvious conclusion you came to is wrong. I don’t trust these people, especially if they are agents of the state lol. 25 years and this is the first time you are seeing poorly fit uniforms and motto patches?

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Mother-Wolverine-319@reddit

Of course not. That was my point that you missed, smoothbrain. Motto patches? How about actual, official uniforms with ID? You can buy what they have on Amazon. When I served, my agency provided ID, uniforms and all identifying markers. Your utter failure to understand the difference is not surprising. I know exactly who you trust by your lack of common sense and intelligence. Don't be afraid to support these creeps.

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Radiant_Repeat_8735@reddit

Not only the sort of idiot who claims to know things he can’t possibly, but the sort who doubles down instead of admitting being wrong. Dangerous sort of idiot, not surprised you were an officer for so long. If you had a proper trade this sort of retarded behavior would have been corrected at some point. Yes. Obviously uniformed officers should be well ordered and disciplined. I was an enlisted man many years ago. (You aren’t the only cop on earth) my point wasn’t that standards shouldn’t exist, my point was the standards aren’t often met. It’s not unusual to see Amazon special kit on legitimate LEO’s, and if you did 25 years service you would have noted that at some point. You so desperately want me to be

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Mother-Wolverine-319@reddit

Oh but it is. I dont know where you supposedly served, but buying identifying markers from fucking Amazon, Etsy and the like isnt typically allowed. Keep making excuses. Go back and read your original post.

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Radiant_Repeat_8735@reddit

I don’t know where you supposedly served. No kidding it’s not typically allowed, retard, I never said it was. Obviously the SOP isn’t to to buy whatever you want on Amazon and put it wherever you like….. men do it, though. As you can see with your eyeballs but refuse to admit

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therapistofcats@reddit

This is a nothing new. You have been able to buy this stuff online easily for 2 decades now.

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prosthetic_foreheads@reddit

Sure, but when the president gives one group complete impunity at a local level, it emboldens the dipshits who see an opportunity for personal glory/gain.

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therapistofcats@reddit

They had that same impunity this whole time though. Just look at the ACAB movement or remember when Christopher Dorner was shooting at LAPD from a truck so LAPD started shooting at random pickups with old ladies? Nothing happened to them. The government has always had the monopoly on violence without repercussions.

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prosthetic_foreheads@reddit

Yeah, sure, but plenty of people have gotten handily dealt with for impersonating the police, because local police and governments can deal with it. What I'm saying is when you have things like the Mayor of Newark getting arrested for trying to make sure ICE is obeying the letter of the law, local jurisdiction has gone out the window, and these people will feel like they won't get in trouble because they can go "fuck you, I'm above you" to the cops in a way that impersonators largely couldn't get away with before.

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Helpful_Equal8828@reddit

It’s only a matter of time until an ice agent gets shot. They routinely take people without identifying themselves or showing any documentation, if this keeps up I give it three months until there’s a shootout. Also because ice isn’t sharing records or letting people make calls it’s entirely possible that people have already been kidnapped by randos with Amazon gear.

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amateurgameboi@reddit

Wouldn't be surprised if sooner or later a neighbourhood defence groups responds to an ice raid/operation of some kind like what the group did to those Nazis in Ohio a couple months ago leading to a shootout. Also, wouldn't be surprised if randos from Amazon started kidnapping people and handing them over to ice themselves directly

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SWtoNWmom@reddit

Forgive me if I'm completely wrong, but wasn't this the basis of the black panthers back in the day? Wasn't it a community response to protect? (Or am I thinking of something else entirely)

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amateurgameboi@reddit

Pretty much, open wielding at police stops and in public spaces worked pretty good it turns out, and then really started to pick up when they started providing for direct needs such as free school lunches which is also when America freaked the fuck out because threatening people with starvation is how they keep control. Mutual aid is a powerful force that tends to develop naturally and that makes people far more willing to accept your way of thinking than any verbal discussion or debate, nothing will convince someone of your good faith quite like acting in good faith towards them, it's how cults can be so effective as well, offer someone real support during a time of hardship in their lives and sure they'll accept that you're the 12th coming of Jesus and actually venusian or whatever

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Simur1@reddit

Building a mutual aid networks and cleaning out your gun in the porch whenever you se a strange van in front of your neighbor's place is how you start reclaiming your rights

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SWtoNWmom@reddit

If I can ask more, then why are they always portrayed as some sort of violent gang? Or was that all just propaganda? I'm white if that makes any difference in what I was probably taught as a kid regarding them.

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amateurgameboi@reddit

Partly it was true, waving guns at cops makes the cops less violent but definitely is itself violent, cause nobody has ever got their from by appealing to their oppressors moral conscience. The other part of it is cause the US government was freaked the fuck out about them cause they threatened their control of the country, showed that challenging cops worked, and was beginning to undermine it's economic logic directly, so they murdered the top people in the group and put a bunch of effort into demonizing and supressing them, Reagan for example introduced open carry restrictions in California as governor specifically because of the black Panthers, but of course they're still regarded in a positive light by many, because of their successes, despite the fact they were eventually largely successfully suppressed by the US government

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SWtoNWmom@reddit

Thank you for the info. Is crazy how much I am learning that I was taught a specific point of view in history as opposed to what might have actually happened.

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linsantana@reddit

That's the basis of Critical Race Theory. The realization you're having now is something The Heritage Foundation very much does not want.

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THE_Black_Delegation@reddit

Racism is why.

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SWtoNWmom@reddit

It is. The more I see every day, the more I realize I never actually saw.

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ceiffhikare@reddit

It always stood out to me that while the FBI/Administration hated MLK for his work/advocacy around race for years, When he started on poverty he was killed shortly thereafter.

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galangal_gangsta@reddit

You are correct, and there are reasons this is excluded from school curriculums

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Forgboi@reddit

Wouldn't be surprised if this administration openly encourages the behavior.

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_nevers_@reddit

![gif](giphy|J8FZIm9VoBU6Q)

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joshuacrime@reddit

I can't believe it hasn't happened already. And by law, it should happen. Witnessing an illegal and unconstitutional kidnapping is grounds to enact a citizen's arrest of said law enforcement individual. Well, de jure, anyway. De facto, unless you have a LOT of armed people who aren't afraid of the legal ramifications (again, shouldn't be any, but racist cops and GOP racist politicians exist), you're going to get shot by the criminals. But, there is a provision in the Constitution that always allows this. The 2nd Amendment gives you the right to create legal militias to protect the Constitution and the gov't has zero right to prevent you from doing so (thanks to the GOP). States try to change this from time to time, with varying degrees of success. But if enough people believe that we're at this point now, this is the lawful way of doing it. It doesn't give anyone a right to murder or terrorize. But you can stop a felony from being committed, regardless of who is committing it. It's just that you have to live after you try to stop that felony.

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Helpful_Equal8828@reddit

It’s because they’re specifically targeting law abiding immigrants and children. If they actually were going after gang members and criminals there would already have been a shootout.

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joshuacrime@reddit

Yes. This is another part of the Heritage Foundations plan. Depopulate areas that the GOP wants to win elections in. Fill them up with so-called "genocide sufferers from South Africa" (my pasty white arse). Lots of other alt-right voters will be offered this from all over the white world. They want to alter enough state elections to call a Constitutional Convention. Get rid of everything that protects minorities from them and declare the Confederate States of America again. Deport all non-white people or send them to reservations like the Indians. That's the goal, anyway.

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Decent-Cricket-5315@reddit

I agree. But if that does happen what happens after that.

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grummanae@reddit

>it’s entirely possible that people have already been kidnapped by randos with Amazon gear. It's already happening and they are making sport of it Source : These good liars clock app channel https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSRnq9Qn/

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snooplesnooks879@reddit

The impersonation is already happening https://abc7ny.com/post/brooklyn-heights-attack-man-arrested-attempted-rape-allegedly-posing-ice-agent/15902769/ https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/04/us/ice-impersonators-on-the-rise-arrests-made-as-authorities-issue-national-warning https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/04/25/ice-agent-impersonate-kidnapping-florida-woman/83271541007/

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therapistofcats@reddit

And it's been happening. This isn't new. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/us/coronavirus-police-impersonators.html https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/09/10/man-impersonating-officer-attempted-to-pull-over-off-duty-orlando-police-officer-officials-say/ https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/nypd-alleged-police-impersonator-anthony-gonzalez/ https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna19033186 It's dozens a year

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driverdan@reddit

WTF is this garbage? You've always been able to buy police / military like gear. This isn't any new intel, this is grandma chain email level garbage.

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Fancy_Exchange_9821@reddit

Redditors can’t believe it when they find out civilians can buy almost everything the government and military can, short of fighter jets and nuclear weaponry

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StarryEyedOne@reddit

> jet [This Man Owns The World’s Most Advanced Private Air Force After Buying 46 F/A-18 Hornets](https://www.twz.com/32869/this-man-owns-the-worlds-most-advanced-private-air-force-after-buying-46-f-a-18-hornets)

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abdallha-smith@reddit (OP)

It’s a convergence thing, raids are conducted without identification everywhere anytime. The fact that these items could be used “unlawfully” to kidnap women and children in broad daylight (or night) is very likely. We’re not talking about stripper apparatus in this case. Don’t be dense dude.

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therapistofcats@reddit

Yeah even before Amazon this was a thing. I remember being a kid in the 90s and one of my favorite websites was this one that sold fake badges and ID cards and lock picks and all sorts of cool spy shit. Wish I could remember what it was.

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edwardphonehands@reddit

Hypothetically, a wide pattern of #2 birdshot will find a neck between a chest plate and helmet.

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CrustOfSalt@reddit

Also hypothetically, a hollow-point bullet (9mm or better) with concrete inside the cavity will go *straight through* a vest. Hypothetically speaking, *don't do this* because it would be extremely illegal

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CyberSmith31337@reddit

Can you ELI5? How would you even get concrete in the casing? Wouldn't it fuck up the barrel upon firing?

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CrustOfSalt@reddit

Not the casing, in the hollow top of the bullet itself. Since you're not running concrete down the side of the round, it shouldn't fuck up your barrel since it the only part making contact with the barrel is the copper jacket. HYPOTHETICALLY, of course. Don't really do this

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CyberSmith31337@reddit

I'm just curious how this works mechanically is all. I'm not a professional by any means, but I do some shooting and have definitely tested the difference between some FMJ vs. HP rounds and compared bullet holes before. I had just never heard of concrete-tipped, legality not withstanding. I'm surprised the concrete doesn't drastically warp/disrupt the bullet trajectory, or break off into pieces. I would love to test this out at a range (note: the bullet penetration, like shooting unworn body armor) I wonder if there is a ballistics video on youtube for this...

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dirtygymsock@reddit

>I'm just curious how this works mechanically is all. Don't worry... it doesn't actually work.

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edwardphonehands@reddit

Handgun AP ammo isn't a functional ban but a prohibition on particular material composition. I don't recall concrete being listed but could use a refresher.

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dirtygymsock@reddit

>with concrete inside the cavity will go *straight through* a vest. Sources required, otherwise I'm calling bullshit.

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RetardCentralOg@reddit

Those gimmick ultra light civil deffence hollows will cut through soft armor there's videos on YouTube.

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dirtygymsock@reddit

Oh yeah, not saying some loadings of 9mm can't punch above their weight and beat rated body armor. I'm saying that doing something as dumb as adding cement to the nose of a hollowpoint isn't going to magically make it do that.

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CrustOfSalt@reddit

HYPOTHETICALLY, the source is I've watched my "upgraded" 9mm rounds go through a US Army-issued carrier with US-issued ceramic plates - at least the front plate. Call bullshit all you want; you definitely shouldn't try it yourself though, HYPOTHETICALLY

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dirtygymsock@reddit

Absolutely zero percent chance that any 9mm Luger bullet fired from even subgun velocities is defeating standard level 3 or 4 hard ceramic body armor. Even modern armor piercing designs. You're like the guy who's uncle works at Nintendo and gets all the games a year before they come out but can't show anybody.

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edwardphonehands@reddit

Handgun AP ammo isn't a functional ban but a prohibition on particular material composition. I don't recall concrete being listed but could use a refresher.

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CrustOfSalt@reddit

I don't believe it is federally illegal to add things to your hollow point rounds (aside from poison/explosives? That may be a state thing though); however, they would probably hit you with *constructive possession" charges for having AP rounds, since the hypothetical modifications would increase their penetrative ability

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Radiant_Repeat_8735@reddit

Threatening to kill federal agents and giving instructions as how to best carry that out is badass! Just kidding. That’s 7 kinds of stupid, and even more immoral

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edwardphonehands@reddit

The post this comment thread refers to involves the scenario of criminals impersonating police. Perhaps consider toning down the ad hominem.

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Radiant_Repeat_8735@reddit

Perhaps consider toning down the public threats to kill people and daydreams about how to do it.

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Fredrules2012@reddit

It's actually standard advice when engaging a threat with body armor to tag the hips before the torso in a failure to stop drill

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Probably_Boz@reddit

Just shoot them in the pelvic girdle. You can't tourniquet a taint, and if you miss the femorals you still have shattered their hip so they aren't going anywhere.

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edwardphonehands@reddit

That's an excellent knockdown target but the downrange could include cats hiding behind furniture.

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Probably_Boz@reddit

I knew the feds used cats I could just never prove it

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edwardphonehands@reddit

Cats are evil but they bend us to their will via Toxoplasma mind control and we're forced to feed them.

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Probably_Boz@reddit

If cats looked like frogs we'd realize what nasty, cruel little bastards they are. Style. That's what people remember. -Terry Pratchett

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RetardCentralOg@reddit

Most helmets aren't even rifle rated.

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edwardphonehands@reddit

True.

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Radiant_Repeat_8735@reddit

I’m a bit stupid. Not so stupid I would claim to know things I’m not even in a position to know. You aren’t in a position to know who I trust or don’t trust, and yet it’s obvious to you. I don’t trust these people, I wouldn’t trust them even if they are federal agents, especially if they are federal agents lol. You are a good example of why that is. Apparently 25 years wasn’t long enough to teach you not to jump to conclusions. Appearing undisciplined and non-uniform is worrisome, but it’s not unusual. I can’t believe this is the first time you are seeing it

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Templar-of-Faith@reddit

Is this has turned into r/doomercirclejerk Yall are straight up delusional as the people who think there are 400 genders .

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eliseum2@reddit

I’d like to donate these to those being persecuted so they could use them as a disguise to escape.

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Honest_Persimmon_859@reddit

From a legal standpoint, I thought there was a limit to how realistic a fake law enforcement uniform is allowed to look. Like, I've had to email a copy of my ID to buy uniform shit online before. Although, I guess the lines are blurring lately anyway with the plainclothes agents that sometimes don't show ID. This whole situation is turning into a giant clusterfuck, considering how many cops there are already who will get mad at you for not somehow just *knowing* that they're an off-duty cop even when they're not in uniform.

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Helpful_Equal8828@reddit

A plate carrier and a velcro patch isn’t a uniform.

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Honest_Persimmon_859@reddit

A plate carrier no, but if you commit a crime while wearing an "ICE" patch I'd definitely expect some charges to come up in court that you have to either fight or try to get them to drop in a plea bargain. And, I wouldn't necessarily want to be the vendor who sold the felon that patch, either. I'm not saying you couldn't hire a lawyer and beat it in court, but it's the type of thing that a lot of vendors don't do specifically because they know how bad it would be for them if someone bought that shit from them and used it to commit a crime.

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mediocre_remnants@reddit

It's not illegal to buy or sell patches that say ICE on them, or police or military-looking uniforms or patches at all. But it is illegal to impersonate a police or federal officer. Similarly, it's totally legal to buy a knife. It is not legal to stab someone with that knife.

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Helpful_Equal8828@reddit

Good luck suing a Chinese Amazon drop shipping company with a name like XZXTTYSH0P that exists only as a PO Box in Hong Kong. I’m sure wearing an ice patch while committing another felony would be an added charge, I was more replying to the comment about restricting the sale of police uniforms.

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JefferyTheQuaxly@reddit

it should be straight up illegal for companies to sell fake law enforcement gear/patches in their stores, if they arent the specific store law enforcement buys from, or the site has a way to verify like, they are actual law enforcement.

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IamBob0226@reddit

What about Halloween stores?

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House_of_Sand@reddit

Not to mention that ice and police are increasingly using plain clothes and arresting people without warrants

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jazzbiscuit@reddit

This…. I’m already watching the guy wearing whatever “official” looking gear. I’m not super scoping every rando walking on the street.

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AdditionalAd9794@reddit

I wouldn't be surprised if the vests were indeed the exact same ones issued to police, and not fake. Similarly to military, police issue gear isn't exactly high end

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IamBob0226@reddit

Party Warehouse sells sexy cop costumes during Halloween season. And ICE is just cargo pants and a hoodie. This is low effort Intel at best. Besides, of everyone on here talking about their "tactical gear", a good many of them got it from Amazon.

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JamesRawles@reddit

Hope there is level IV plates inside those carriers

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Mother-Wolverine-319@reddit

Not at that price

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7evenate9ine@reddit

This is why all police need to identify themselves and show documentation. This is for the safety of all people Americans and non.

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RockSalt992@reddit

That’s why they don’t identify lol. They don’t care

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7evenate9ine@reddit

The call is coming from inside the house.

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popthestacks@reddit

I’m not sure Amazon selling these things is a problem. The real officers have to get them from somewhere. Asking for the supply chain of police patches to be tightly controlled is not realistic, given how easy they are to make.

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unpreparedadult114@reddit

The majority of police departments use specific vendors to ensure they are up to code and compliance. Don't want to order a "bullet proof" vest and it actually just be a pillow under police insignia.

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Pap3rStreetSoapCo@reddit

You can’t buy armor from just anywhere, but patches are a different story, and beside that some of the same places that sell to LE and military also sell to civilians. I don’t see any of this as an issue. Folks can cosplay as cops and soldiers all they want; the problem is when they actually *impersonate* officers in their dealings with other people, and it’s why you must *always* demand identification from anyone who is *claiming* to be law enforcement.

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RetardCentralOg@reddit

U litterally can buy armor just about anywhere.

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Pap3rStreetSoapCo@reddit

I was partly thinking the above user meant “manufacturers” more than “vendors”, but they probably also don’t know how readily available armor is. Also, I think we’re largely talking about places like Amazon, ebay, et cetera. I didn’t think you could get legit armor from such places, but I could be behind the times…

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RetardCentralOg@reddit

Idk about places like that but basically any website that sells guns sells armor

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Pap3rStreetSoapCo@reddit

Yup, a lot of local gun shops sell it these days, too. Some of the online vendors only sell to MIL and LEO, but others sell to everyone.

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ExtraordinaryKaylee@reddit

Impersonating an officer of the law, USED to be a big charge and something people in power took seriously. Some of the comments in this post show, exactly, why.

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cgrizle@reddit

Are false flags not a conspiracy anymore? Just asking for clarification

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SFParky@reddit

Can you report the product on Amazon?

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GratedParm@reddit

I’m sure dangerous people with no ties to law enforcement will try to make use of such items. However, hasn’t ICE been using third-party contractors? Said contractors probably buy these. Video evidence and court evidence already shows these contractors do not follow laws and subsequently are dangerous individuals.

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HOrnery_Occasion@reddit

They've always sold these... you can also buy them in your town... no one has ever seen larping? What about prow who airsoft? Nope!!!!! It's only for freaks!🤡

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Deathglass@reddit

No, it's already unfolded, just slowly. These things don't happen overnight. You just have higher prices year over year, higher crime rate year over year, higher unemployment rate, etc. Eventually you're just living in a 3rd world country. The US has already fallen behind on so many things compared to 1st world countries.

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No-Cod-9516@reddit

https://preview.redd.it/mo4gs7ld251f1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a2555ae9865677d65f4172fec1badee1779b71e7

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No-Cod-9516@reddit

https://preview.redd.it/6rlgxej5251f1.jpeg?width=976&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e18fb79aafe49cbb1b699f4055a06309d8dfd03 I wonder how many of these have also been sold? This is the symbol of the Rebel Alliance in Star Wars.

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No-Cod-9516@reddit

https://preview.redd.it/krxll6zb251f1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d56119e382778fd64a906bd1c988354339e6ae2

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Proper_Look_7507@reddit

Is the swat logo just a shitty knock off SEAL eagle?

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Dikaiosune_@reddit

It's already there. I read about a girl that got raped by a man pretending to be a member of the ICE. You can be sure human trafficking will be at an all time high for the next years

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RuggedDucky@reddit

SWAT Operator, ![gif](giphy|gjZoqJLchpWdERTHgo|downsized)

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ghostinround@reddit

About a year ago I started seeing a lot of men jogging in my area wearing bulletproof vests on the outside of their clothes. Still do from time to time, does anyone know why?

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Thoraxe474@reddit

Maybe I should get one and keep in my car so I can say they can't arrest me because I'm one of them

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WhyUReadingThisFool@reddit

Halloween this year is gonna be wild

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Sea_Kangaroo_8087@reddit

I’ve ordered a bike light off of Amazon before and it included a red and blue flashing tail light and it concerned me a little bit. Friggen anybody could slap that on their bike and get themselves into serious trouble accidentally by falsely representing themselves as cops. Brand name was Cuytgsg. I just wanted a cheap bright headlight.

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Carrie_1968@reddit

Oh god. And who would ever demand to verify? And how *would* someone be able to verify if they did try? Now I can’t trust that anyone is law enforcement just because they bought the cosplay costumes.

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