J-XDS turning while showing its upper side and cockpit

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yung_dilfslayer@reddit

For sure. Definitely the most interesting design of the last 10 years.

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DEEP_SEA_MAX@reddit

Had to shut up all the China is incapable of innovation people out there.

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AdEarly5710@reddit

Assuming this isn’t just a copy of NGAD or F/A-XX

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ChevTecGroup@reddit

They brought it upon themselves. Have you seen their wannabe blackhawk?

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60TP@reddit

It’s funny how they don’t even try to hide it, like they have a plane called the J35 which is literally just an F35 😭 their spies are built different and they’re just flexing at this point

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Kookanoodles@reddit

It's not even the same engine configuration. J-35 is twin engine. It doesn't look any more like an F-35 than a KF-21 or a T-FX does.

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ConstableBlimeyChips@reddit

I have not, is it just a straight copy?

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ChevTecGroup@reddit

It's very close. But has 5 blades and a few other small changes.

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CureLegend@reddit

why reinvent the wheels? chinese people are not stupid, unlike the americans who use a whore as their hypersonic research teamlead.

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Intelligent-Donut-10@reddit

Yeah why did people who invented the most advanced flight control in history re-design a generic helicopter?

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Mr_PiggyBoi@reddit

the Blackhawk from temu.

its the uhhh Darkgoose

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ApolloDomICT@reddit

They did the same with the C-17 as well.

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Mr_PiggyBoi@reddit

they also did it with the f16

the j20 looks awfully close to the f35 if you look at it from the front.

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ApolloDomICT@reddit

We don’t even know if they stole this technology. The US has been flying NGAD technology demonstrators for over 5 years, with development going back much further.

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Idk if theres any evidence of that. The lockheed/boeing spy thing when china got files on the f-22 and f-35 happened between 2008 and 2014. In 2014 darpa had only just started their initial "air dominance initiative" study which started the ngad program. If they did steal anything ngad related i dont think its been reported on.

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ApolloDomICT@reddit

We don’t have any evidence because we haven’t seen the US half of the equation. Also, the US Gov. doesn’t publicize every leak. They also can snap spy photos using satellites (or balloons). The Chinese military doesn’t have the best track record for originality, so I’m just pointing out this may be another copied design, or at least copied technology.

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TheRealLordMongoose@reddit

Ignoring the fact the design is an almost exact copy of a prototype Lockheed design from the 90's.

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ZaraKolev12yv@reddit

The J-XDSDS was fling upside down, spinning aroround the top before landing gracefully.

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BAN_MOTORCYCLES@reddit

so sick of these victim comments on every post about chinese aircraft

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Healey_Dell@reddit

Less annoying than flag-waving Americans who seem to think that aerospace development begins and ends with them.

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ry_mich@reddit

I've worked in aerospace for 25 years. China has earned its reputation. The amount of stolen engineering they've used to develop their own programs is staggering.

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Shark-Force@reddit

Can't wait for the parachuting american pilots to have a smug sense of superiority knowing the missile that blew them apart was a cheap copy.

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Kaiisim@reddit

Yeah, I'm sure these untested, unused planes flown by pilots with no combat experience will destroy the country that spends more on their airforce than china does on it's entire military.

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Shirkir@reddit

India thought the same with their ubermensch rafales would surely destroy those cheap temu chinese planes flown by Pakistan.

Then they got punched in the face and all their plans fell out of the sky.

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Shark-Force@reddit

Use your neurons. “America spends more on healthcare than any other nation, so clearly they have the best healthcare system in the world.”

Hate to burst your bubble but the J-10 has shot more planes down in the past week than the F-35 and F-22 have over their existence combined.

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iBeGhey@reddit

And what planes did the J-10 shoot down? F-22m F-35? Lmao You telling someone else to "Use their neurons" is absolutely staggering, the lack of self awareness is astounding.

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Healey_Dell@reddit

Wernher Von Braun and Frank Whittle say ‘hi’.

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BAN_MOTORCYCLES@reddit

focusing on strawmen and perceived criticism just advertises weakness and insecurity and apparently some of you dont realize it

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Healey_Dell@reddit

The only one sounding weak and insecure here is yours truly, chief.

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BAN_MOTORCYCLES@reddit

blocked

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xShooK@reddit

They innovated those sweet landing barges! Good on them.

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NoDoze-@reddit

LOL Sorry to break it to you, but being "strange" isn't a compliment or "innovation".

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Y0Y0Jimbb0@reddit

Pretty impressive from a design form factor view point

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alexos77lo@reddit

strangereal you woudl say

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AbeFromanEast@reddit

What's going to feel stranger: apparently the Chinese MIC can build new designs and airframes faster than we can.

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ShortGuess2387@reddit

China now can outbuild the entire West combined. With how much more we spend in on our military, if we dont unfuck ourselves yesterday we will fall.

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KenRation@reddit

In a door-shaped video.

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xsap000@reddit

Hye

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SpaceMonkey_321@reddit

Flight control surfaces are amazingly smooth

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TheEdgeOfRage@reddit

And the amount of torque those things are enduring must be insane

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eschmi@reddit

That would be the problem too. From how much they're moving they appear to do a lot of compensating.... if one fails id bet its not very controllable....

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TheEdgeOfRage@reddit

Yeah, looks like it could be an inherently unstable airframe that requires constant corrections

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eschmi@reddit

Yeah, which to be fair is how the eurofighter is too, except the eurofighter was specifically designed to be that way to make it agile in a dogfight. This is suspect was a "just make it stable" addition rather than intentional.

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nlevine1988@reddit

I thought all modern fighters are that way.

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eschmi@reddit

Nope... most are made nowadays to be in and out before ever being detected. Dogfights are high risk. Shooting down your enemy from outside of visual or radar range is far safer and more effective.

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thissexypoptart@reddit

Right so why would stability in the event of a control surface disabled in a dogfight be a priority?

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Merrylica_@reddit

No, he meant he thought all modern combat jets these days are built with unstable airframes

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Bartybum@reddit

There's no way this isn't intentional either. The moving tips are probably to augment the tip vortices to provide yaw stability, so that they can safely fly a tailless aircraft.

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_esci@reddit

most of modern aircraft do, tbh.

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tomasthdnkeng@reddit

I think it's a pretty "common" control surface for these flying wing designs to control yaw without a vertical tail. With the presumably high performance engines it might have enough thrust vectoring and differential thrust by throttling down one of the engines to limp home if it lost one. I sure as shit wouldn't want to be the one to try it though.

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mrford86@reddit

Aren't most modern fighters designed to be aerodynamically unstable? At least since the F-16. Computers do wild shit.

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eschmi@reddit

Some are, yes. However they have multiple redundant systems in case one goes down.

If you lose a physical hydraulic wingtip.... there's no chance for redundancy there.

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mrford86@reddit

Sure, but let's use the F-35. The entire horizontal stabilizer is a control surface. That would be just as bad, would it not? Assuming neither airframe can lock them in place in hydraulic failure.

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eschmi@reddit

It would not. You can actually fly without some of the control surfaces in a pinch/failure because unless its locked into an awkward position, it will just drag along without much issue.

The horizontal stabilizers mainly help with pitch. You can still control pitch with power in some cases and fly the plane.

Basically its not really affecting the aerodynamic stability of the plane of it fails or gets stuck level.

What we see on this Chinese aircraft though is what appears to be a surface that is crucial to the stability of the plane itself.

So if it fails, plane loses stability and could no longer fly.

Make sense?

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mrford86@reddit

For sure. Thanks.

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thekamakaji@reddit

If dogfights with cannons were still a thing, def would be where you should aim

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NoDoze-@reddit

Definitely easy enough, as being close enough, would take it down.

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Intelligent-Donut-10@reddit

Zero torque if hinge at MAC

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Treereme@reddit

Since they rotate on an axis that is part way through the chord of the wing, the front bit experiences opposite aerodynamic forces to the rear bit, helping to lower necessary input torque. Aerobatic planes do this as well since they have large control surfaces. Check out the elevator on the plane at the top of this page: https://hartzellprop.com/aircraft-spotlight-extra-300/.

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dawnguard2021@reddit

this aircraft gotta have a insane flight computer to even fly

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ItsKlobberinTime@reddit

The F-16 has made that normal for...checks notes...holy moley, 51 years.

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gr4ndp4@reddit

I can wiggle my ears like that too.

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BandicootKind925@reddit

The two wingtips don't wiggle at the same pace, can you?

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Ctrlplay@reddit

Aesthetically, I don't like it....

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Smooth-Tone-7698@reddit

I wonder if it actually has any capability? Or if it just looks like it 😂

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BigManScaramouche@reddit

I know it probably is, but for some reason this plane looks unstable as hell.

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LawsonTse@reddit

Fighter jets haven't been stable for 50 years

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Electrical-Risk445@reddit

Fighter jets since the 1970s are unstable so they gain in agility and have FBW to keep it artificially stable when needed.

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ts737@reddit

That's what FBW is for

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diezel_dave@reddit

Hard to tell from this short clip, but I certainly get the impression that there isn't a lot of control authority margin left over in those surfaces given how wildly they are flapping to accomplish this fairly gentle banked turn. Probably wouldn't take much to get this thing into a flat spin.

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commanche_00@reddit

How so? Apart from wiggly moving tips, the flight itself looked stable to me

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Gluecksritter90@reddit

Could that reason be the lack of.... stabilizers?

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cookingboy@reddit

Yet it’s still more stable than my ex…

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Messyfingers@reddit

I think it's just the video giving that appearance, but it could very well be a tough wobbly at low speeds.

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cashewnut4life@reddit

My take on this aircraft is not even in the "prototype" phase yet. Based on the most recent close up images, it seems that this aircraft doesn't have a serial number. Unlike the J-36 with the serial number (36001) which is most likely in the prototype phase.

Meanwhile, the so called "J-XDS" or "J-50" most likely is a technology demonstrator so far. The final product might look completely different. Or it can be a test bed for future aorframes, which could be more than one. Especially due to the reason they're implemented something untested (at least for China), such as the movable wingtips.

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canttakethshyfrom_me@reddit

Same. It doesn't appear to have speed or payload really designed into it, keeps flying over populated areas at low speed, practicing high AoA turns... this is not a plane meant for serial production and deployment IMO. It's a flying laboratory for new technology.

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LawsonTse@reddit

The thing has supersonic engine inlets so it's definitely meant to test supersonic flight too. Which of course won't happen over cities.

How close it is to production is anyone's guess

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Intelligent-Donut-10@reddit

China have plenty of secret bases in the desert to fly actual X planes, and there are plenty of X-planes spotted in sat photos of those bases over the years.

Flying low speed over a city have only ever been done for actual production model testing.

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Plebius-Maximus@reddit

Will drone controllers really need speed or significant payloads like conventional fighters / bombers though?

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canttakethshyfrom_me@reddit

Speed, I would think yes, because you're still in the business of defending against missiles. Harder to lock doesn't mean impossible to lock. Don't have to be a Mach 3 monster, but you do need to be able to drag a Meteor or RIM-174 one it sees you.

Better be really good at countering signal jamming if the drones are gonna carry near all the payloads.

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neocloud27@reddit

The J-36 serial is 36011 which may indicate it's closer in development status to the 3rd J-20 that flew in 2014 (serial 2011) rather than the one that flew in 2011.

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Idkcuttlefish@reddit

If it's not a prototype, why does it appear to have weapon bays and EOTS? These seem weird to put on a technology demonstrator. Not to mention that there would be little reason to fly one in public like this.

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Secure_Ad1628@reddit

The "EOTS" seem like a mock up, and unlike the J-36 it doesn't appear to have the windows for the "DAS" sensors, or the serrations in the weapons bays, it definitely feels like an initial prototype, if it's not a technology demonstrator then it's definitely more akin to the J-20 2001 while the J-36 may be equivalent to the J-20 2011

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Haunting-South-962@reddit

China has got access to most rnd material from us companies and studied it in detail. Most of their designs are direct developments of previous US projects orcsome mix of them. It is just how they work. You start with something "known" and then better it by doing changes, they don't start from scratch.

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scooterbaby46@reddit

Idk why you are getting downvoted. This is China 101. Anyone that works in manufacturing sector and deals with China knows this. Doesn’t take away from their work ethic and workmanship. I’ve dealt with many overseas contract manufactures and they are very nice, respectful, hard working and do care and take pride in what they make(with some expeditions). But they don’t start from absolute scratch like the west does. They don’t have the decades of trial and error and original IP it takes to actually build something from the ground up.

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Haunting-South-962@reddit

I have a lot of experience with stem from China or their academic and industrial research. They are not second, they are first in many areas by volume, funding and facilities. Japan has also started by adopting things from the west and built it up into leading ndustrial power in 20th century eventually. Chinese culture influenced by communist ideology has less boundaries in terms of "ownership" or copyright, it is whatever exists can be used. Soviets copied many things too. The was no internal shame about it. There are many technologies that Chinese took ideas from and gone far ahead of what we can afford to spend on. Also numbers make a big difference, from 15k engineers Chinese get just from the UK every year, there are maybe 1000 really good innovative people. But domestic interest in engineering is really small and level of graduates is not stellar. Overall Cchina is responsible for 40% of all stem graduates in the world. This is several times their population share. Even if culture generally not welcomes freedom, there are still enough outstanding people to dominate the world rankings.

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WuLiXueJia6@reddit

The second largest economy with the most STEM graduates cannot do research and development 🥀🥀🥀

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Haunting-South-962@reddit

Quite opposite. Just in a different way. Starting with someone's else's result is considered normal. First by copying then by improving.

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AvocadoDistinct@reddit

Man, that has to be one of the coolest, mist alien looking planes i have ever seen. Cant wait to see it produced and in action.

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KnifeKnut@reddit

I suspect Those active wingtips are going to see further development to change to a stealthier shape, assuming they are not a quick fix as an aid to underdeveloped pitch/roll control from the 2d nozzles

With their creating a flat exposed surface when they are being used the active wingtips root joint t creates additional potential retroreflection.

So the areas exposed on the root and wingtip need to be angled to reflect radar elsewhere than the radar source, creating a convex or concave v joint at the root of the pivot.

This is basic 1st generation (F-117) radar stealth stuff.

Also, keep in mind that the 2D nozzles can be used for some roll control in addition to pitch; F-22 Raptor only uses them in pitch control IIRC

Caveat, this is I have ever seen of them.

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Intelligent-Donut-10@reddit

Maybe this isn't 1st generation F-117 stealth and stealth is no longer eye-balled.

Look up the Innovative Control Effector program, US has theorized about this since the 90s, this is China actually solving it.

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DropDownBear@reddit

I'm a little worried about its yaw authority, or lack thereof? It's looks great and probably turns like a beast, but I fear that no amount of Fly By Wire could save this thing in any stall or spin it may enter. I'm sure it will be fine, but I'd be one nervous recruit if I got assigned to one XD

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Desirable_Username@reddit

You could say that about the B-2 and B-21 too. It'll most likely use split control surfaces to subtly correct its yaw. Whilst it's still a complex control system, it's not like it's a brand new concept.

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senorpoop@reddit

You could say that about the B-2 and B-21 too.

The B-2 and B-21 are not expected to dogfight or really perform any kind of evasive maneuvers besides maybe dodging a missile. The J-50 is ostensibly a fighter and runs a much higher probability of departing controlled flight. I'm not sure it's even possible to recover from a spin without a vertical tail.

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Desirable_Username@reddit

Given it's gone down the tail-less design route, I think that implies they're seeking a more stealthy approach rather than F-22 / F-35 competitor. Similar to how the F-111 has the 'fighter' designation and yet has no offensive weapons, I believe the J-20 will end up as some sort of missile bus with similar support drone aircraft like the MQ-28.

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senorpoop@reddit

That might be even more interesting to me because it implies that China is very confident that their missile technology is superior enough to the US that a BVR engagement is all they will ever see, and they don't need the maneuverability to evade missiles themselves.

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Nperturbed@reddit

Well considering that one of the best dogfightersnin the world just got shot down from 100 miles out by a Chinese plane that is two generations behind this one, i am going to guess that they are not all that focused on dogfighting.

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Syrdon@reddit

Or just that when everyone is throwing missiles with ~100 mile ranges that they'll deplete their magazines before they get within dogfighting range and everyone will break off the engagement (or switch to a drone with more long range missiles and continue to not close).

If you're 60 miles from dogfighting and you don't know how many missiles the other side has left, maybe you're better off living to fight another day than pushing in and finding out how much they've got left. The thing that changes that equation isn't the difference in missiles, it's the difference in detection. If you can track, target, and pass the data link at a greater range than your opponents then you'll do it every time. Even if you can't, why close more than you absolutely have to given how long modern ranges are?

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Many-Ad9826@reddit

This is also not expected to dogfight, PLAAF doctrine predicts the future to be "systems of systems" vs "systems of systems" instead of Top Gun 3

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DropDownBear@reddit

Yeah. I understand the theory behind it, but even they've (B2) had yaw authority issues before, didn't they?

Maybe it's also a size thing, cus small + no vert stab makes it look like it's more precarious

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lurker-9000@reddit

It does make it “Look” more precarious yes. But since we haven’t heard from any of the pilots we can only guess. But in the first few seconds of this video you can see the control surfaces splitting, we can see it drag its nose around, so clearly it’s capable even at low speeds. I mean it’s almost like a lot of Really cutting edge tech engineers have spent years and millions of dollars simulating and testing something so, new? ,, oh wait it’s not even new technology? Northrop was making flying wings 80 years ago?!?

But also I just think this is a hilarious criticism, if this thing is supposed to be a stealth BVR launcher platform why do we care that it’s “lacking in yaw authority” as if having 5% more yaw control will make it any better at its job of launching guided missiles from basically straight and level flight.

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imalostkitty-ox0@reddit

Also second paragraph totally true. The aircraft will be paired with numerous smaller “stealth drone fighters” who do a LOT of dirty work, leaving the pilot’s role to me “more ceremonious” and thus leaving a slightly less stressful work load. It can be hard pulling a trigger even in level flight, depending upon circumstances

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imalostkitty-ox0@reddit

lol @ “millions”. They spent “millions” just on GPUs alone, no monitors, keyboards, swivel chairs — for processing the computational fluid dynamics of the prototypes of this aircraft.

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mdang104@reddit

You would have seen the split rudders in the video. I think the wingtip control surfaces control induce drag by varying their AOA and lift created.

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Mikoriad@reddit

Those wingtip "ailerons" look highly ineffective at the speeds that aircraft is traveling. It's flailing about.

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itswednesday@reddit

My brain can’t process those control surfaces

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Taste_the__Rainbow@reddit

Is that real? I thought the air was just moving weird and distorting.

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SteelyEyedHistory@reddit

I gotta wonder what those control surfaces on the wing tips do to the jet’s RCS.

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Stray-Helium-0557@reddit

Not any worse than actual stabilisers.

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Spark_Ignition_6@reddit

Gotta be worse than ailerons though

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Stray-Helium-0557@reddit

Well it IS a highly unstable design. You're not gonna cut it with just ailerons during low speeds.

The AMWs won't need to deflect as violently and frequently as your speed increases.

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Spark_Ignition_6@reddit

You're not gonna cut it with just ailerons during low speeds.

Sure you can, they just need to be large. The larger the better, because then they need to deflect less, which changes the aircraft's overall shape less, which is good for RCS.

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8Bitsblu@reddit

I'm sure the engineers who designed and built it had the same thought.

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peteroh9@reddit

Hmm, I wonder what this will do? Well, no time to change it now.
"Yes, boss, this is the final design! Time to build it!"

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00owl@reddit

This was my immediate thought.

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paranoiajack@reddit

Heat shimmer is a real thing

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lC8H10N4O2l@reddit

the tips of the wings look completely separate from the rest of the wing and the whole section rotates on a swivel but then just inboard on those are normal control surfaces

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Tojuro@reddit

Ok, I'm not crazy then. I can't even imagine what's happening on the wingtips in this video.

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AshamedRaspberry5283@reddit

All the stresses

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jay_in_the_pnw@reddit

think of it like how a bird uses it's wingtip feathers to control flight??

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NoDoze-@reddit

It's funny that they're moving, but the plane isn't reacting with that much moving surface. Looks like just attention grabbing devices. LOL

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Valuable_Associate54@reddit

Your posts in this post are hilarious to read

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SWITMCO@reddit

I genuinely thought they were compression artifacts at first!

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the_silent_redditor@reddit

It is, for me, thanks to reddits awful video player.

I actually can’t see any detail whatsoever.

How is it so fucking bad? It’s actually incredible.

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smokesick@reddit

It thought it was hot air vibration at first

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ghostchihuahua@reddit

US trolls coming in to trash-talk that thing in 3... 2... 1... oh fuck, already happened.

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nephaelimdaura@reddit

Literal lifetimes of time went into the design and execution of this thing that we know almost literally nothing about and some redditors are like "well have they considered that I don't think it should work?"

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ghostchihuahua@reddit

Precisely, they’re seething while their own backyard is burning… incredible actually, but ok.

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not_so_plausible@reddit

I feel like most comments have been pretty positive and there's just been discussion about the airframe itself with very little mention of China. I had to scroll pretty far just to find that this is even made by China.

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ghostchihuahua@reddit

Well, that would have been my initial impression as well had this aircraft not been seen and discussed a few times here. Every time, the discussion is less about the plane and aviation than it is about it being Chinese, writing anything remotely positive about basically anything Chinese becomes a shit-show within minutes in here now, it is quite unbearable to be fair, it is not like people post these videos with political intent, i guess they’d be a lot more vocal about it than just posting a short video, but others do inevitably take it there within mere minutes, either in clear, or just by downvoting a commenter into oblivion, even if it isn’t clearly put and directly said. Take a look for yourself, many videos of alleged new CN aircraft in this sub, comment anything non-derogatory about it, enjoy. I’m from the west as well, i don’t understand tbh, people confuse everything, this sub should stay as apolitical as humanly possible, it does not by a long shot.

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cameros_82@reddit

This thing looks incredible! Defo insecure Americans inbound to say how shit it is

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imalostkitty-ox0@reddit

I mean, yeah, it’s beautiful! The U.S. definitely has weapons that could induce a mile-wide black hole (and then close it) in a populated city, but its “current enemies” are currently playing sticks and stones with their very best efforts, so best for the U.S. to simply outclass their old-fashioned attempts. No need to play god… for now, at least…

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not_so_plausible@reddit

Welp pack it up boys we got black holes now 😎

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Plebius-Maximus@reddit

It's funny how mad they get when you point out the exact thing they can't stop doing.

It's an interesting jet. It looks cool. We know very little about it.

However it's primary weapon at this point is the ability to make some redditors absolutely seethe as they furiously hypothesise about how it must be rubbish

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ghostchihuahua@reddit

Loool, i hadn’t seen… newts😂😂😂

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MoccaLG@reddit

Ok - Ask me anything about it and Ill try to tell you what you see. Except this what I assume "Flight Control Test Flight"

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MoccaLG@reddit

oh wow - a downvote is not what I expected while offering professional explainations.

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Jake_Kessler@reddit

I had no intention of downvoting your original comment until this comment.

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MoccaLG@reddit

What did bother you? That a professional with decades of experience calls himself a professional?

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InsaneInTheDrain@reddit

People complaining about downvotes earn downvotes

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MoccaLG@reddit

well... then downvote....

Hey what about people explaining about people complaining about downvotes earn downvotes ... i see my chance here tbh....

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InsaneInTheDrain@reddit

You asked what bothered the other guy, and that's almost definitely what it was

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MoccaLG@reddit

I accept my fate :( :)

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Rustyducktape@reddit

That's probably the exact reason. People are weird, and this is the internet xD

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MoccaLG@reddit

I am also an "internet person" and i am not weird

*runs around with Dr.Zoidberg noises*

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MoccaLG@reddit

giving such an answer while not having enough information - youre a very talented premium educated human i guess

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DeltaV-Mzero@reddit

The first rule of Reddit: fuck them other redditors and their shitty opinions

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wggn@reddit

fascinating, and crazy that noone wants to spend money on it

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MoccaLG@reddit

not that easy

Tail must be changed to a less stable more complex built one
Also more design changes must be done. But drage is stability. you loose drag, you lack of stablity which is a danger for airliners.
The wing must be longer, you heard the last part has no "load" means no aerodynmic lift (and drag therefore)
For Airliners thats a huge thing. They prefer using the vortex to generate thrust with winglets.

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mikasjoman@reddit

Albion Bowers is amazing. I've read his paper and when I get to start designing my own home built I'll try to incorporate the bell shaped lift distribution he discusses in his videos, but on a low aspect ratio airplane (think Verheres D2 or B Wainfans newer Bat Ray current build) in composites.

I'm definitely not going as far as removing the traditional rudder but hopefully being able to trim a few percent more in efficiency and reducing adverse yaw to the proverse yaw. If you are interested I highly recommend reading his published paper on Google Scholar.

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MoccaLG@reddit

For no reason I let you this here: HORTEN ® Aircraft HX-2 Flying Wing Flight Film

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mikasjoman@reddit

Yeah I've seen it. It's beautiful. Although I am not a fan of the pusher configuration because of the risks, it's a damn beautiful airplane.

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MoccaLG@reddit

yep not only risks, lower efficiency which needs to be compensed by the airframe....

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mikasjoman@reddit

Yeah I really don't see the point if it isn't because of weight distribution. I guess it's also damn nice for less noise and visibility, but safety and efficiency comes way ahead of those two in my book.

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Haunting-South-962@reddit

Yes. The birrds use tips of the wing lot as it gives good reaction moments, but they also flexi change the chord and geometry when they glide, combined with trust vectoring this concept somewhat emulates bird flight control.

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MoccaLG@reddit

!!! GREAT !!!! And you eliminate the negative turn moment and therefore slip moments what aircraft without rudders really hate!

I believe to see exatly this in the video. Correct me if I am wrong. It seems to be an early version of the flight control testing out the optimum for doing smoother and optimized turns

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InsideInsidious@reddit

What is so bad about an empennage that some aircraft designers have to go “you know what, maybe we don’t need that even”

Like. Are we being different for different sake here? “Look how I can still control yaw this way?”

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username77k@reddit

Radar cross section.

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username77k@reddit

Cool wingtip flapperdoodles.

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LosSpamFighters@reddit

Hmmm, trying to figure out whose design they stole.

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Mellows333@reddit

I love these new 6th gens. A very advanced beautiful design.

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7nightstilldawn@reddit

I’d image this to fly somewhat worse than an F117.

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5h4tt3rpr00f@reddit

This thing is, what, a mini stealth bomber? Basically, not a fighter? I wouldn't want to merge an F-22 in that. Shit, I wouldn't want to merge a Spitfire in that.

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Stray-Helium-0557@reddit

That right there is a tailless cranked lambda with 10 individual trailing edge control surfaces including two massive all-moving wingtips and has thrust vectoring.

You really shouldn't merge with than even in an F-22. Also, it's the age of BVR now, although maneuverability still is very relevant in BVR.

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not_so_plausible@reddit

This sounds like that dude in the video describing that thing.

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Stray-Helium-0557@reddit

?

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ukulele87@reddit

I think it might be a missile boat+mini AWACS, not really intended to merge with anything.

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VeraStrange@reddit

I thought stealth aircraft were supposed to be ugly. That looks lovely. It’s no Spitfire but then again, neither is the A-10.

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rsta223@reddit

I thought stealth aircraft were supposed to be ugly.

Since when is the F-22 ugly?

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thetrappster@reddit

Or the B-2

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VeraStrange@reddit

Definitely not my opinion. I was quoting a famous American politician and deal maker. It’s not the only opinion of his that I don’t agree with.

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rsta223@reddit

Ahh. I hadn't seen that quote, but I'll just say that in my opinion, he doesn't have a goddamn clue what he's talking about.

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SigmaBattalion@reddit

Epic

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EldoMasterBlaster@reddit

Do we even really know if this plane exists?

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Dale-Wensley@reddit

those engines are smookayyy

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Scutro@reddit

Damn, at first, I thought that's flutter. The control surfaces are mesmerizing.

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FinishPlus8258@reddit

Very odd design, so instead of following the B2 design of having movable surfaces on the fuselage and wing they’ve gone for massive control surfaces on the wing tips. It looks like it wants to fall out the sky

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roasty-one@reddit

Lockheed Martin actually studied this design back in the 90s. They basically were gonna slap an f-22 wing with moving wingtips on a f-16, remove the tail and give it thrust vectoring. So will the J-XDS may look odd, it’s probably highly capable.

https://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article23.html

“The benefits would be a weight and drag reduction, and a lower, stealthier, radar cross-section, with agility that matched the standard Lockheed Martin F-16 fighter without angle of attack limits.”

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Tobinator97@reddit

Yeah but that thing is single engine, when an dual engine aircraft suffers a failure on one, yaw authority is important. The b2 has good advantage due to its high aspect ratio compared to the positioning of the engines. Nonetheless I think it's tricky but doable

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60TP@reddit

To be fair a single engine isn’t gonna be doing too well after an engine failure either

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InsaneInTheDrain@reddit

True but "starting to glide" is better than "instant unrecoverable spin," according to my research in KSP

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donnysaysvacuum@reddit

Just shut off the second engine when one fails?

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InsaneInTheDrain@reddit

Gotta be fast as fuck boi

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donnysaysvacuum@reddit

As fast as a computer?

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jacob9234@reddit

When are they gonna show us the anti grav flying saucers everyone knows we have locked away?

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ArTR_007@reddit

I'm not sure how it's gonna perform, but I like it, looks cool

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WhatWeCanBe@reddit

It looks beautiful.

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60TP@reddit

All those “this is what jets will look like in 2030” clickbait thumbnails are now reality

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mkosmo@reddit

Which were all from concept art released by Lockheed years ago anyways.

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ConstableBlimeyChips@reddit

Where do you think the Chinese got their research from?

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mkosmo@reddit

Sure... but even they know that they weren't a real aircraft lol

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Plebius-Maximus@reddit

Gonna have to make the bait even more UFO shaped going forward

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BraidRuner@reddit

Spin characteristics? Yes it has some characteristics in a spin situation we call it departure from controlled flight with an ejection as the correct response

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Designer_Buy_1650@reddit

Great video. Thanks

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rickdapaddyo@reddit

Hey it has 2 engines

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Sea-Routine9227@reddit

I think the flippers are cute!

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En4cr@reddit

Gotta hand it to the Chinese. They have really stepped up their game and these newer aircraft look absolutely mind blowing regardless of capabilities.

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