This! Tea plants are fluoride hyper-accumulators. Fun fact, the treatment method to make decaf tea actually adds more fluoride to it than regular black tea!
I think the worry is if fluoride also gets banned in commercial toothpaste too plus our kid’s dental health. They can’t use fluoridated toothpaste before a certain age unless you teach them to spit as early as possible.
Why would it be banned in toothpaste? RFK believes topical fluoride is superior to ingested fluoride in the water (and according to an NIH article from 2018, he’s right).
Found multiple sources, but this one breaks down tea by brand. It's brands sold in NZ, though, but I'd assume tea in the USA won't be much different since we import it.
This is correct. England implemented a tax on tea, Americans were upset but England was smart. They gave the American president an extravagant sailing ship and the tax was passed.
As a life long 3+ decades of tea drinking and having only cleaned my teeth once for a different reason because there is no staining. Add milk/cream to your tea. I dont recall the exact science but i remember it is on the lines that milk component binds to the tanin/staining compound of tea. Preventing it from staining your teeth.
Yes! I recently learned about the stannous fluoride vs sodium fluoride thing. It’s crazy that whitening toothpaste with stannous fluoride actually can stain your teeth. Seems like there should be large print warnings about that on the packaging. I look for toothpaste with sodium fluoride in order to avoid that issue.
Latest evidence suggests that sweeteners also mess up hormonal system. There are flowery or fruity varieties of tea (e.g. I order from Hr Higgins), or you can add a bit of milk to breakfast tea varieties. It really takes several days to adjust your tastes, been there
My concern is that it’s absolutely a step to ban fluoride toothpaste as well. On top of just not knowing if I need to resupplement the low dietary amount that will be missing from the city supply. I’ve read conflicting accounts for if that’s necessary.
Ye, this literally affects no one. If you drink tap water it just gives you the option of avoiding fluoride. Which, good. Give people a choice. There are plenty of studies that show a connection between fluoride consumption and lower IQ and so on. Let people choose.
It's actually not a lie. They left an important part out though, and that is dosage. Just like 1 Tylenol is safe, and 100 will kill you, fluoride becomes dangerous at higher dosages.
This particular link is A) in China where they have far more pollution problems than just fluoride which could attribute lower IQ (what if high fluoride areas also have high lead?) B) combines analysis of 27 separate studies… ok not a lot to go on as to what exactly these studies were C) it never defined high fluoride concentration which would make it far easier to equate to the US concentration found in tap water D) and finally it recommended a further evaluation of high fluoride was warranted, not a complete removal of fluoride.
Their meta analysis is flawed. They studies they were looking at were studying natural wells that had naturally occurring fluoride in them. This typically caused theml populations to be ingesting quantities of fluoride that well exceed municipal treatment.
You are doing the classic antivaxxer horseshit. Ignore evidence that contradicts the narrative you're seeking, promote the one fucking thing that promotes your viewpoint. It is inherently childish. I'd be like great, select yourself out of the gene pool, but unfortunately y'all brainwashed motherfuckers gotta also do shit to society that is making me have to prep. I tried to bully another antivaxxer out of it, but you can't. I've tried twice.
Have fun cranking out 3 kids so the next two could live to be twelve or some shit.
Oh, do we like Harvard now? Thought we were defunding them in place of snorting horse dewormer or some other dumb pseudoscience bullshit. Also, that was debunked a long time ago. Try again, champ.
Drinking water in general will kill you. Drinking 6 liters in 2 hours will kill you. You shouldn't drink water ever again.
You are correct, if you over consume fluoride drastically it's a problem. This isn't an issue from our water as it's at a healthy level. Youre going to have to blame something else for your IQ deficit
On a selfish level, my initial thought was that my 6 year old prefers the taste of adult toothpaste anyway, so no big deal for us if children's products are banned, but I think you're right that this is potentially the small first step in banning all fluoride products.
Hi, decades old conspiracy theory hobbiest here. People have been against fluoridating water for ever. The concern is that consuming it is bad for brain health, among other things. You can choose not to eat toothpaste, but choosing not to drink municipal water is a different story. I don’t think you should worry about it at all.
It will affect children the most. Many of us in the US benefited from fluoridated water as a child. It helps strong teeth to form before they've ruptured through the gums, where no topical fluoride will benefit. Here's what a child's skull looks like, note the adult teeth in the jaw. Fluoride builds the adult teeth as they form, from the inside.
By removing the option to provide fluoride supplements for children who don't have access to fluoridated water, they're removing medical choice.
They’re planing on banning oral fluoride which works differently and is specifically needed for select groups of pediatric patients, topical fluoride won’t work as well.
Oral for adults as well yes, and it’s speculated that they will move to topical fluoride next. Fortunately my tap water is naturally fluoridated. I wonder if they even know that tap water can be naturally fluoridated to recommend levels
This Sensodyne has 0.254% w/w Sodium Fluoride (0.115% w/w Fluoride ion) and *I AM NOT A DOCTOR* but my dentist told me I could swallow a bit because there isn't fluoride in the water in my town.
This is standard advice now, I think. My partner and I have different dentists in different parts of town and they both mentioned it within the last 2 years. I also noted that toothpaste directions don't actually say to rinse, only that you shouldn't swallow it. The amount that is left on your teeth after spitting is definitely safe to swallow.
I buy toothpaste from overseas. If you want toothpaste with Novamin, you have to. Lately I've been buying the Canadian version, though, which I wouldn't say is technically "overseas."
It chemically rebuilds the enamel on your teeth, it remineralizes them. The need for this depends on what you do with your teeth, how acidic your food and drinks are and your tooth decay rate and the type of bacteria in your mouth.
Some people brush their teeth once a day and never have a cavity their entire life, others can do a full routine twice a day and have their whole mouth replaced or crowned by 50
My mentally ill ass can get away with flossing/brushing my teeth 2-3 times a week with no problems. I haven't seen a dentist in like 10 years. I've got the immune system of a demigod and the psychic power of that lady who talked to animals or some shit.
I'm definitely no anti-flouride person, but as others have pointed out flouridated toothpaste, mouthwash and dentist treatments are common now.
I don't know for sure but I assume flouridated water was introduced 60+ years, and it's possible flouridated products, hygiene knowledge and hygiene practices were worse back then so the flouridated water helped the working class / poor quiet a bit more then it might today.
Dental visits are more common now among the upper classes because those types of jobs offer dental insurance. Everyone who doesn’t have employer-sponsored dental insurance usually isn’t getting 6 month checkups. And mouthwash? That’s expensive.
I’ve never overheard anyone talk about the most frugal way to prevent cavities. Most aren’t buying quality toothbrushes or replacing often enough. Or investing in electric toothbrushes for adults and kids to improve oral health.
The amount of self-learning I’ve had to do about oral health is more than most topics. Nobody knows about this stuff in my life.
More people have basic coverage now than they used to, but that’s because of, wait for it…Medicaid. If the cuts go through, a lot of people will be unable to get any kind of dental care just as fluoride comes under threat. It’s gonna be an absolute mess and have major downstream effects on the non-dental health system (ER visits, sepsis, endocarditis, etc). Brainworms Bob has no idea what he’s actually unleashing with this.
Some well water has more fluoride than municipal water supplies. It's also more about young children with developing teeth. Theoretically, if have no fluoride in your water at home, you may still get enough from the water you drink elsewhere, like at school.
Do you use fluoridated toothpaste? Get fluoride treatments from your dentist? Beyond those fluoride sources, some groundwater is naturally higher in fluoride, so that's also a potential factor.
Dental insurance from an employer is a luxury. Otherwise that is $200 every 6 months that most can’t afford. So no, many aren’t getting fluoride treatments from the dentist. And prescription-strength fluoride toothpaste isn’t commonly known about as a home alternative…which is often needed when kids have no fluoride in their water. Regular toothpaste for kids often isn’t enough.
"Evidence shows that water fluoridation prevents tooth decay by providing frequent and consistent contact with low levels of fluoride, ultimately reducing tooth decay by about 25% in children and adults. Additional evidence shows that schoolchildren living in communities where water is fluoridated have, on average, 2.25 fewer decayed teeth compared to similar children not living in fluoridated communities."
This is just insane to think that removing fluoride, a toxic chemical, from drinking water is going to affect the average American. I do not support the current administration, but am absolutely fine with this move.
Brush your teeth and use mouthwash and you are fine.
My logic comes from the fact that the decision to add fluoride to water was made in 1962. This is a long fucking time ago, dental care has increasingly gotten better in the last 60 years. In 2015 they reduced the legal amount allowable.
So they recognized and said, hey we don’t need that much in the water anymore because people are now more educated about dental hygiene and technology has advanced.
The CDC recommends giving children small amounts of toothpaste and ensuring that the child is not swallowing toothpaste because this can be a significant source of flouride.
The American cancer society recommends finding other water sources If your source of water has high levels of flouride.
There are links to development problems when ingesting certain amounts of fluoride. Maybe it’s why this country is so stupid.
Fluoride is toxic, it is not needed by the human body to survive, it’s fine in small doses, it’s beneficial to for strengthening teeth, but it’s a toxin.
I get enough exposure twice a day from a paste I cannot swallow because it’s not good for you. I don’t want it in my water. Hell if you want more fluoride just swallow your toothpaste and let the water supply be.
We need all three of Oxygen, Nitrogen, and Sodium to survive. We do not need Fluoride. We get fluoride from toothpaste and mouthwash. Pretty unreal people are fine with drinking more of it.
Want more fluoride, brush your teeth 3x a day, keep some mouthwash in your pocket or car. Dumping it into the water supply is asinine.
So we do need fluoride as letting your teeth rot can lead to a myriad of other health issues.
Just like with everything from vitamin a to zinc too much is bad for you.
Yeah you could just brush 3x a day.
But the issue is nobody brushes flosses and uses mouthwash as often and as long as they should, especially not children and especially those in poverty.
Fluoride on the water is now acting as bumper guards. Why remove them when it is causing no harm?
Yeah because most Americans get plenty of fluoride from their toothpaste. I think this is an important thing for young children though, they need a lot of fluoride. Like they need a lot more than they typically can get from toothpaste? Cuz they don't brush as well? And because they need a higher amount?
I would disagree. Children are developing and there are concerns with fluoride impacting a developing brain. Children also lose their teeth.
This is from the CDC:
“The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends that parents give children under the age of 6 only a pea-sized amount of toothpaste for brushing, and should do their best to make sure their children are not swallowing, as this can be a significant source of fluoride. Speak to your child’s dentist before using fluoride toothpaste in children under 2 years of age. Low- and no-fluoride toothpastes and other dental products are also available.”
Toothpaste can expire. My husband and I had an unopened tube that was something like 6 years old and we both ended up with swollen gums. Switched to a new tube, same brand, no issues.
make your own toothpaste. Water, baking soda, a drop or two of mint for flavor. mix to a paste, use for the week. does not include fluoride or other neato 1st world stuff but it's better than just water.
You could also use infused water that's been brewed with an antiseptic like Lavender, Oregano, or Goldenseal (I have also heard that strawberry leaves can be used as an antiseptic as well). This should kill some of the bacteria in your mouth but isn't nearly as powerful as the stuff they use in commercially available products.
Because many of the expiration dates are ridiculously short. Isopropyl alcohol has an expiration date on the container. There's very little downside to making an expiration date really short for a manufacturer.
For toothpaste, the shelf life of fluoride is relatively short. It breaks down over time.
I think you’re rooting your opinion on the exp dates for drugs. Prescription drugs have a 1 year expiration because they’re required to list a date by the FDA, but toothpaste isn’t regulated like that.
If you are concerned about the expiration date being valid, just look up the shelf life of the chemicals. Ie, look at the science.
Many drugs are used in medical settings and for military living abroad.
Most things are fine long past the dates. They may not be as effective or taste as good.
I havent used Fluoride in over 20 years. I get perioral dermatitis if I do which is a bitch to get rid of. My teeth are fine and the dentist said they are in great shape.
Just being realistic. If you require medication to fall asleep, you are not a person that is capable of surviving an apocalyptic scenario when your meds are no longer obtainable. That also proves true for those with BPD. If you require medication to survive and function, you are not built to survive.
Post modern reality doesn't care about your personal healthcare conditions. Frankly, diabetics would largely not survive. Sorry, but that's reality. That's what preppers should be prepared to understand.
Edit: and fyi, u/SituationSad4304 blocked me which proves they simply are not capable of functioning in a prepper scenario. A few words challenging their prescription scenario caused them to electronically block a digital user when confronted with criticism.
They are not going to survive reality when real shit hits the fan. And I'm not a dick for pointing that out.
It's not about the reality of a zombie outbreak. It's about the reality of society suffering a major crisis like a nuclear war that upends the comforts of reality like the supply of medication.
What is the subreddit about? It's about being prepped for catastrophe and news that relates to it lmao.
If you require meds for mental health, you aren't going to function when supplies are cut off.
If you require insulin to survive, you will die when insulin supplies are cut off.
I'm simply pointing out the harsh reality (which is often shown in fictional shows) that comes with surviving a major catastrophic event.
First off yes you are a dick for declaring someone you don't know is not going to survive
Someone that requires sleep medication is obviously someone not geared to handle the reality of a post-apocalyptic reality especially if they require a need to stockpile sleeping medication. Additionally, they require additional medication to treat a mental illness of BPD.
Reality is recognizing not everyone will survive a post-apocalyptic scenario. And recognizing those that require medication are at a fundamental disadvantage when the modern supply chain is demolished is absolutely practical and logical.
I'm confused. So they've decided fluoride IS good for our teeth. .....But its not good to drink it in our water..??? So ingesting it is bad ??? We should spit it out ?? I have many questions
I mean—-it is an amount thing. Just like water is good for us, but too much water can kill us. Fluoride is the same thing. Specific amounts are helpful. Too much is harmful. Right amount of food is good/too much is bad. Etc.
Time to look up ancient medieval toothpaste recipes!
One was found to work just as good if not better then toothpaste when tested but I can't find the paper...
The 2 links that were trustworthy talk about water and some kind of tablets. Nothing about toothpaste. Also be careful with links, they’re probably including malware to monitor dissent.
I mean, on a population level it’s not. Places that have banned it are bringing it back because of bad outcomes. Regardless, this is a prepped sub and I wanted to have a conversation about how to gauge how bad it’s going to be and how to prepare for that eventuality.
Brush 2-3 times a day and you should be fine. Pretty much anyone on a well has been going without fluoride in their water already. Banning it in our water won't help any, and it's kinda dumb and pointless, but start building better brushing habits now and people should be alright. Of course, the reality is it will have an increased impact on lower income people/families that already are overworked and underpaid but that's just how we do it i guess
Just gonna say, I brushed and flossed my teeth growing up without fluoridated water. Still got a mouthful of cavities and now those teeth are breaking and needing expensive crowns. Fluoridated water is safe and effective.
I know someone with 3 kids under the age of 9. The mother is anti-fluoride. They use bottled water for everything and I mean literally everything. And they have zero fluoride toothpaste. I can’t say anything as it’s not my place but I keep thinking how I’m gonna have to tell them NO when they come crawling asking for financial help for the shitshow their idiocy is gonna unleash on those babies’ teeth.
I had so much shame about all of my untreated cavities when I joined the military. I was super poor in high school in college. And I thought it was just because I didn’t do enough. I had no idea it was because we had no fluoride in the water. I mean, I have pain every day from some of these issues. I hope RFK Junior experiences the consequences of swimming in that Schitt’s Creek.
Ha ha let's all poison our kids for no improvement over brushing with flouride, a known neurotoxin, because someone made a joke on the Internet and I'm a partisan hack who is too lazy to do ANY research... Ha ha
You should read this: https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/fluoride-childrens-health-grandjean-choi/
It's definitely a neurotoxin. The only question is if at low levels it negatively impact children's IQs or not. I don't want to risk it, especially considering the benefits are minimal at best in developed countries.
This is actually music to my ears...
As Fluoride is poison.
Bravo…
Now, let's most importantly fix the food and then get invermectin on the shelves in drug stores to help protect you from the nasty rona or any other type of parasites that they call viruses.
Ofcourse its really all hogwash till stuff actually starts happening.
"The NTP monograph concluded, with moderate confidence, that higher levels of fluoride exposure, such as drinking water containing more than 1.5 milligrams of fluoride per liter, are associated with lower IQ in children."
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services recommends a fluoride level of 0.7 milligrams per liter (mg/L) in drinking water.
Now use your big girl brains, do you think this relationship is a power or exponential one?
Realistically it's a linear one. Worst case it's a logarithmic one.
Neurotoxins are not like flipping a switch in the body. If you'd like to take them and expose yourself and your family to them that's fine. The nonconsensual mass drugging of the population is wrong. You are a medical rapist if you think it's fine.
Some places have naturally occurring fluoride in the water. In Colorado Springs they have to dilute the water to reduce the fluoride levels. Back in the 1800's Co Springs was one of the starting points on the benefits of fluoride in water.
I have well water, so im unsure about it containing flouride or not. I will stay stocked up on flouride-containing toothpastes and mouthwashes because that's what i usually do anyway. They say its just the water today. tommorow, it could be the toothpaste or some other thing pulled out of thin air. Stay stocked up on what you and your family need. Period.. This circus of an administration has many acts left to go. We will all be lucky to have a pot to piss in by the end of things possibly.
You can always get “extra” fluoride toothpaste by prescription from your DDS. I’ve been doing this for years. Besides, aren’t drug prices coming down (lol b/c he always lies).
Why stop at Fluoride? Toothpaste and Mouthwash are good for your teeth, I think we should add those to our drinking water. Makes sense we should cover our bases and eat those too.
I remember reading several studies that showed the impact of fluoridated water has been much less significant since the rise of toothpastes and mouthwashes containing fluoride. Any improvement seen in areas with fluoridated water is really just the water making up somewhat for otherwise poor dental hygiene. In other words…just brush yo damn teeth. And teach your kids how to take of theirs as well.
You can’t just stop using fluoride all together but there are alternatives if you can afford nano hydroxyapatite toothpaste (greater than 10% concentration). I’ve been on that and well water for years and my teeth have been doing even better than before (and I certainly am not shy of the sugar…).
Up until a certain age I will only let my child use a kids nano hydroxyapatite toothpaste. Not worth the risk of the potential impact it has on the early developing brain - until we have some more concrete evidence…the studies that show negative side effects, yes, are at abnormally high doses but that obviously means there could be harder to quantify impacts as the normally used amounts.
But yea, if you’re prepping for the end times, who gives a **** buy whatever you can. I have a bunch of regular fluoride paste stocked.
ZookeepergameOdd4599@reddit
One cup of black tea has the same dose of fluoride as 1 liter of treated public water. So one tea cup a day will keep doctor (a bit more) away
The_Dead_Kennys@reddit
This! Tea plants are fluoride hyper-accumulators. Fun fact, the treatment method to make decaf tea actually adds more fluoride to it than regular black tea!
NorthRoseGold@reddit
Well your toothpaste generally has enough fluoride, let alone tea.
DragonHalfFreelance@reddit
I think the worry is if fluoride also gets banned in commercial toothpaste too plus our kid’s dental health. They can’t use fluoridated toothpaste before a certain age unless you teach them to spit as early as possible.
LettingHimLead@reddit
Why would it be banned in toothpaste? RFK believes topical fluoride is superior to ingested fluoride in the water (and according to an NIH article from 2018, he’s right).
Admirable_Purple1882@reddit
Just make sure you don’t rinse out your mouth after brushing if you’re planning on toothpaste flouride
madsjchic@reddit (OP)
Source? Because I’d love for that to be true.
s0_Shy@reddit
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/fluoride-levels-in-popular-teas-revealed/OGNKDL7P53BEPSBXMNPCYFDLDA/
Found multiple sources, but this one breaks down tea by brand. It's brands sold in NZ, though, but I'd assume tea in the USA won't be much different since we import it.
JimCripe@reddit
Now we have to deal with tea tarrif tax.
There was something happened in Boston concerning a tea tax, if I recall...?
HonkinSriLankan@reddit
This is correct. England implemented a tax on tea, Americans were upset but England was smart. They gave the American president an extravagant sailing ship and the tax was passed.
Some taxpayers actually rejoiced.
My_name_is_belle@reddit
I'm pretty sure they weren't wearing a suit, though.
are-e-el@reddit
Only an idiot would refuse a gift!
badasimo@reddit
With tears in their eyes, I heard.
jp85213@reddit
Did they even say thank you?
madsjchic@reddit (OP)
Neat
HeyyyyAbbott@reddit
Doesn’t tea also stain teeth?
Electronic_Fish_5429@reddit
Better to have ugly teeth rather than rotting teeth.
HeyyyyAbbott@reddit
A fair point
kroating@reddit
As a life long 3+ decades of tea drinking and having only cleaned my teeth once for a different reason because there is no staining. Add milk/cream to your tea. I dont recall the exact science but i remember it is on the lines that milk component binds to the tanin/staining compound of tea. Preventing it from staining your teeth.
HeyyyyAbbott@reddit
I guess I do remember hearing something about that as well. I try to get a few gulps of water down after hoping it may clear off any residual buildup.
AToadsLoads@reddit
You don’t recall the science because this is bullshit.
Mr_Spookums@reddit
Not bullshit
Dildomancy@reddit
Fluoride certainly stains teeth. I can confirm that from personal experience with a bad dentist.
btach1323@reddit
Yes! I recently learned about the stannous fluoride vs sodium fluoride thing. It’s crazy that whitening toothpaste with stannous fluoride actually can stain your teeth. Seems like there should be large print warnings about that on the packaging. I look for toothpaste with sodium fluoride in order to avoid that issue.
Simonic@reddit
That’s why England has always had the best teeth!
foxtrot_delta_tango_@reddit
What if I drink a shit ton of black tea with Splenda?! Because I guzzle it like water
ZookeepergameOdd4599@reddit
Latest evidence suggests that sweeteners also mess up hormonal system. There are flowery or fruity varieties of tea (e.g. I order from Hr Higgins), or you can add a bit of milk to breakfast tea varieties. It really takes several days to adjust your tastes, been there
legsdownundah@reddit
Yeah but teabags release bajillions of plastic and heavy metals right into your drink
Tank_Girl_Gritty_235@reddit
Buy loose tea and a tea ball. Cheaper in the long run and infinitely better quali-tea
ZookeepergameOdd4599@reddit
Some sorts of tea grow without bags
nasnedigonyat@reddit
DirectionOverall9709@reddit
Get fluoride mouthwash or toothpaste with fluoride.
LeavesOfLime@reddit
Yeah, unless they ban fluoride toothpaste, this won’t affect most of us.
madsjchic@reddit (OP)
My concern is that it’s absolutely a step to ban fluoride toothpaste as well. On top of just not knowing if I need to resupplement the low dietary amount that will be missing from the city supply. I’ve read conflicting accounts for if that’s necessary.
NorthRoseGold@reddit
Most consumer toothpaste has plenty of fluoride for adults
Poghornleghorn2@reddit
Ye, this literally affects no one. If you drink tap water it just gives you the option of avoiding fluoride. Which, good. Give people a choice. There are plenty of studies that show a connection between fluoride consumption and lower IQ and so on. Let people choose.
w_a_s_here@reddit
Lie, please provide any double blind study or anything peer reviewed before you spread propaganda.
Poghornleghorn2@reddit
Literally search, retard.
Fuck it's worse than I originally thought. Thanks for further grounding me in my position.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3484826/
https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/research/assessments/noncancer/completed/fluoride
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/full/10.1289/ehp.9270
biggesthumb@reddit
Weird you didn't post the studies..... lol
janemacrander@reddit
Google it
biggesthumb@reddit
It says you're wrong lolol
National_Pirate5668@reddit
How much toothpaste did you eat as a kid then?
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
They're actually targeting fluoride toothpaste as well. From a guy who doesn't believe germs exist
thanos_quest@reddit
Straight up lies. Gtfo
TheProfessional9@reddit
It's actually not a lie. They left an important part out though, and that is dosage. Just like 1 Tylenol is safe, and 100 will kill you, fluoride becomes dangerous at higher dosages.
Luckily we just have a low dosage in our water!
thanos_quest@reddit
Don't sanewash these people. Too much of basically anything will kill you.; this should be understood. However, that person is arguing in bad faith.
the_subhuman@reddit
https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/fluoride-childrens-health-grandjean-choi/
minormisgnomer@reddit
This particular link is A) in China where they have far more pollution problems than just fluoride which could attribute lower IQ (what if high fluoride areas also have high lead?) B) combines analysis of 27 separate studies… ok not a lot to go on as to what exactly these studies were C) it never defined high fluoride concentration which would make it far easier to equate to the US concentration found in tap water D) and finally it recommended a further evaluation of high fluoride was warranted, not a complete removal of fluoride.
Striper_Cape@reddit
Their meta analysis is flawed. They studies they were looking at were studying natural wells that had naturally occurring fluoride in them. This typically caused theml populations to be ingesting quantities of fluoride that well exceed municipal treatment.
You are doing the classic antivaxxer horseshit. Ignore evidence that contradicts the narrative you're seeking, promote the one fucking thing that promotes your viewpoint. It is inherently childish. I'd be like great, select yourself out of the gene pool, but unfortunately y'all brainwashed motherfuckers gotta also do shit to society that is making me have to prep. I tried to bully another antivaxxer out of it, but you can't. I've tried twice.
Have fun cranking out 3 kids so the next two could live to be twelve or some shit.
thanos_quest@reddit
Oh, do we like Harvard now? Thought we were defunding them in place of snorting horse dewormer or some other dumb pseudoscience bullshit. Also, that was debunked a long time ago. Try again, champ.
atxweirdo@reddit
Yea obviously that guy drank too much chlorinated water. We should get that out of the water too. /S
TheProfessional9@reddit
Drinking water in general will kill you. Drinking 6 liters in 2 hours will kill you. You shouldn't drink water ever again.
You are correct, if you over consume fluoride drastically it's a problem. This isn't an issue from our water as it's at a healthy level. Youre going to have to blame something else for your IQ deficit
nobodyisfreakinghome@reddit
At what quantities?
StolenPies@reddit
This is not true of the dosages recommended in the US.
Striper_Cape@reddit
Homie, read please. OP thinks they are going to ban ALL toothpaste with fluoride in it
Old-Arachnid1907@reddit
On a selfish level, my initial thought was that my 6 year old prefers the taste of adult toothpaste anyway, so no big deal for us if children's products are banned, but I think you're right that this is potentially the small first step in banning all fluoride products.
BortaB@reddit
Hi, decades old conspiracy theory hobbiest here. People have been against fluoridating water for ever. The concern is that consuming it is bad for brain health, among other things. You can choose not to eat toothpaste, but choosing not to drink municipal water is a different story. I don’t think you should worry about it at all.
ArmadilloNext9714@reddit
Except the FDA is now moving to remove prescription fluoride supplements for children from the market.
https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/05/13/g-s1-66476/fda-fluoride-prescription-ingestible-treatments
I’m worried like OP that they will not stop at children or prescriptions.
curlofheadcurls@reddit
It won't fly with private companies lol
madsjchic@reddit (OP)
Lord have mercy if it’s the corporations that end up protecting peoples right to choose (products) lol
curlofheadcurls@reddit
Unfortunately we have to rely on these companies being competent and lesser evils 😮💨. Because all we have is the power to sue them to hell and back.
lipspliff@reddit
It will affect children the most. Many of us in the US benefited from fluoridated water as a child. It helps strong teeth to form before they've ruptured through the gums, where no topical fluoride will benefit. Here's what a child's skull looks like, note the adult teeth in the jaw. Fluoride builds the adult teeth as they form, from the inside.
By removing the option to provide fluoride supplements for children who don't have access to fluoridated water, they're removing medical choice.
kmm198700@reddit
They love to remove medical choice
billbord@reddit
Yeah surely they’ll stop their irrational bans just before they affect me!
Festering-Fecal@reddit
Texas is trying to do just that.
Previous-Pomelo-7721@reddit
They’re planing on banning oral fluoride which works differently and is specifically needed for select groups of pediatric patients, topical fluoride won’t work as well.
Van-Goghst@reddit
Oral flouride for adults as well? And all flouride containing products?
Previous-Pomelo-7721@reddit
Oral for adults as well yes, and it’s speculated that they will move to topical fluoride next. Fortunately my tap water is naturally fluoridated. I wonder if they even know that tap water can be naturally fluoridated to recommend levels
SmurfStig@reddit
Our youngest had enamel issues with his baby teeth and we had to use oral fluoride for a bit. If not, his baby teeth would have been a mess.
NorthRoseGold@reddit
Almost all toothpaste on the regular market in the USA have plenty of fluoride.
You might need to be careful if you buy specialty toothpastes from oversea on the internet though.
DirectionOverall9709@reddit
This Sensodyne has 0.254% w/w Sodium Fluoride (0.115% w/w Fluoride ion) and *I AM NOT A DOCTOR* but my dentist told me I could swallow a bit because there isn't fluoride in the water in my town.
Medritt@reddit
My dentist mentioned to not rinse my mouth after brushing at night to help on our area since there’s no fluoride in the water
ImAFuckingSquirrel@reddit
This is standard advice now, I think. My partner and I have different dentists in different parts of town and they both mentioned it within the last 2 years. I also noted that toothpaste directions don't actually say to rinse, only that you shouldn't swallow it. The amount that is left on your teeth after spitting is definitely safe to swallow.
hoodectomy@reddit
My concern is the plastic I have read about in tooth paste.
I was always told that washing your mouth out was because of that.
Sources:
Discover Harmful Microplastics In Toothpaste And How To Avoid Them Beware of Microbeads/Microplastiscs in toothpaste
ninja-squirrel@reddit
There’s plastic in everything you consume. I’m not sure how much to worry about something you rub on your teeth and spit out (most of it).
I bet there’s more microplastic in a piece of sushi.
RIF_rr3dd1tt@reddit
This sounds like some Underground Railroad shit
RIF_rr3dd1tt@reddit
Yeah no shit. That's the shadiest sounding thing I've ever heard.
"Where did you get that toothpaste?"
"The Silk Road"
LMAO
SenorBurns@reddit
I buy toothpaste from overseas. If you want toothpaste with Novamin, you have to. Lately I've been buying the Canadian version, though, which I wouldn't say is technically "overseas."
Diddle_the_Twiddle@reddit
Hydroxyapetite is a more than suitable replacement for the dental benefits of fluoride without the negative cognitive side effects.
Far-Wealth-5547@reddit
Sort by top. Not best. Fucking mods making their opinions top comments.
Wicked-elixir@reddit
What if we just chew gum with xylitol? Seriously.
AdditionalAd9794@reddit
Realistically, how much effect does fluoride have. I mean I've been on well water without fluoride my entire life and I still have all my teeth at 37
Bob4Not@reddit
It chemically rebuilds the enamel on your teeth, it remineralizes them. The need for this depends on what you do with your teeth, how acidic your food and drinks are and your tooth decay rate and the type of bacteria in your mouth.
Some people brush their teeth once a day and never have a cavity their entire life, others can do a full routine twice a day and have their whole mouth replaced or crowned by 50
taintmaster900@reddit
My mentally ill ass can get away with flossing/brushing my teeth 2-3 times a week with no problems. I haven't seen a dentist in like 10 years. I've got the immune system of a demigod and the psychic power of that lady who talked to animals or some shit.
Definitelymostlikely@reddit
Yeah this is survivorship bias.
Some people just don’t get cavities due to the mouth microbiome.
Some people are more prone to cavities even if they brush and floss as recommended.
Some people eat 10 pieces of candy in one sitting
Some people eat 10 pieces of candy throughout the day. These will yield different dental results.
Unfortunately medical/dental is very complicated in that there’s hundreds of variables from person to person.
And what may work for most may not be a sure fire fix for every single person
AdditionalAd9794@reddit
As someone else mentioned, it's possible there's sufficient naturally occurring flouride and other minerals in my well water
buggybugoot@reddit
Show a pic lol 😂
gyanrahi@reddit
You may have good genes. I saw stats how cavities went down after fluoride was introduced to the water.
Pleasant-Trifle-4145@reddit
I'm definitely no anti-flouride person, but as others have pointed out flouridated toothpaste, mouthwash and dentist treatments are common now.
I don't know for sure but I assume flouridated water was introduced 60+ years, and it's possible flouridated products, hygiene knowledge and hygiene practices were worse back then so the flouridated water helped the working class / poor quiet a bit more then it might today.
Again not sure that's true.
DeflatedDirigible@reddit
Dental visits are more common now among the upper classes because those types of jobs offer dental insurance. Everyone who doesn’t have employer-sponsored dental insurance usually isn’t getting 6 month checkups. And mouthwash? That’s expensive.
I’ve never overheard anyone talk about the most frugal way to prevent cavities. Most aren’t buying quality toothbrushes or replacing often enough. Or investing in electric toothbrushes for adults and kids to improve oral health.
The amount of self-learning I’ve had to do about oral health is more than most topics. Nobody knows about this stuff in my life.
spironoWHACKtone@reddit
More people have basic coverage now than they used to, but that’s because of, wait for it…Medicaid. If the cuts go through, a lot of people will be unable to get any kind of dental care just as fluoride comes under threat. It’s gonna be an absolute mess and have major downstream effects on the non-dental health system (ER visits, sepsis, endocarditis, etc). Brainworms Bob has no idea what he’s actually unleashing with this.
gyanrahi@reddit
Yep good questions. My wife found some organic fluoride/mint combo one and I stick with it :)
Previous-Pomelo-7721@reddit
In Canada cavity incidence increased by 700% when fluoride was removed from drinking water.
iridescent-shimmer@reddit
Fluoride in the water is considered one of the top 10 public health interventions of the last century lol.
Little-Ad1235@reddit
Some well water has more fluoride than municipal water supplies. It's also more about young children with developing teeth. Theoretically, if have no fluoride in your water at home, you may still get enough from the water you drink elsewhere, like at school.
Brilliant_Plum5771@reddit
Do you use fluoridated toothpaste? Get fluoride treatments from your dentist? Beyond those fluoride sources, some groundwater is naturally higher in fluoride, so that's also a potential factor.
NorthRoseGold@reddit
Which makes it seems like the crazies are correct. Why do we even have this in our municipal water systems then?
Own_City_1084@reddit
Because not everyone does those things regularly enough, or can afford regular dentist visits esp with fluoride treatments?
AdditionalAd9794@reddit
Toothpaste and mouth wash have flouride. In the past I've actually bought non flouride specific products to avoid negative health effects.
I don't get treatments from the dentist, it's been a good while since I went.
I'm not aware if our well water has natural occurring flouride
DeflatedDirigible@reddit
Dental insurance from an employer is a luxury. Otherwise that is $200 every 6 months that most can’t afford. So no, many aren’t getting fluoride treatments from the dentist. And prescription-strength fluoride toothpaste isn’t commonly known about as a home alternative…which is often needed when kids have no fluoride in their water. Regular toothpaste for kids often isn’t enough.
pessimistic_utopian@reddit
"Evidence shows that water fluoridation prevents tooth decay by providing frequent and consistent contact with low levels of fluoride, ultimately reducing tooth decay by about 25% in children and adults. Additional evidence shows that schoolchildren living in communities where water is fluoridated have, on average, 2.25 fewer decayed teeth compared to similar children not living in fluoridated communities."
https://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/about/statement-on-the-evidence-supporting-the-safety-and-effectiveness-of-community-water-fluoridation.html
sambull@reddit
even the fuoride in your toothpaste will disrupt you fluoride... any fluoride.. that's the sort of level of shit they are going to role out here
NorthRoseGold@reddit
You just said the fluoride in your toothpaste will disrupt you fluoride
Like what the fuck are you trying to say
sambull@reddit
not sure why it changed it but it was pineal gland
boomrostad@reddit
You seen British teeth?
Legitimate_Deal_9804@reddit
Make your own toothpaste with coconut oil and baking soda
Oralprecision@reddit
As a dentist - this fucks my eotw plans…
Fluoride is a lie.
Brushing teeth makes you gay.
The jury is still out on science.
TheLeviathaan@reddit
You just got Jamm'd
Nogohoho@reddit
I'd say "conflict of interest" but you pretty clearly showed your hand. XD
Oralprecision@reddit
No conflict here. Would you like a free jolly rancher? They’re extra flavorful when you bite into them!
Nogohoho@reddit
I'm more into Sugar Daddies. They clamp down on my molars just right.
jp85213@reddit
Don't forget butterfingers. They wedge their way into EVERY crevice of EVERY tooth!
True_Way2663@reddit
This is just insane to think that removing fluoride, a toxic chemical, from drinking water is going to affect the average American. I do not support the current administration, but am absolutely fine with this move.
Brush your teeth and use mouthwash and you are fine.
wolacouska@reddit
Got any scientific sources as to the health effects of fluorinated water, or are you an RFK style feels-good skeptic?
True_Way2663@reddit
My logic comes from the fact that the decision to add fluoride to water was made in 1962. This is a long fucking time ago, dental care has increasingly gotten better in the last 60 years. In 2015 they reduced the legal amount allowable.
So they recognized and said, hey we don’t need that much in the water anymore because people are now more educated about dental hygiene and technology has advanced.
The CDC recommends giving children small amounts of toothpaste and ensuring that the child is not swallowing toothpaste because this can be a significant source of flouride.
The American cancer society recommends finding other water sources If your source of water has high levels of flouride.
There are links to development problems when ingesting certain amounts of fluoride. Maybe it’s why this country is so stupid.
Fluoride is toxic, it is not needed by the human body to survive, it’s fine in small doses, it’s beneficial to for strengthening teeth, but it’s a toxin.
I get enough exposure twice a day from a paste I cannot swallow because it’s not good for you. I don’t want it in my water. Hell if you want more fluoride just swallow your toothpaste and let the water supply be.
Definitelymostlikely@reddit
Fluoride isn’t a “toxin”
You keep using that word to instill fear but it seems you don’t know what it means
True_Way2663@reddit
Let me correct myself, ‘hazardous.’ Fluoride is extremely hazardous.
https://www.deseret.com/utah/2025/04/01/utah-has-new-law-banning-fluoride/
Talk to someone that handles it.
Definitelymostlikely@reddit
I mean oxygen and nitrogen are also extremely hazardous.
High enough concentration will kill you.
Sodium literally detonates if it comes into contact with water(which the human body is mostly made of)
Just saying it’s “hazardous” is meaningless in context of how it is being used
True_Way2663@reddit
We need all three of Oxygen, Nitrogen, and Sodium to survive. We do not need Fluoride. We get fluoride from toothpaste and mouthwash. Pretty unreal people are fine with drinking more of it.
Want more fluoride, brush your teeth 3x a day, keep some mouthwash in your pocket or car. Dumping it into the water supply is asinine.
Definitelymostlikely@reddit
So we do need fluoride as letting your teeth rot can lead to a myriad of other health issues. Just like with everything from vitamin a to zinc too much is bad for you.
Yeah you could just brush 3x a day.
But the issue is nobody brushes flosses and uses mouthwash as often and as long as they should, especially not children and especially those in poverty.
Fluoride on the water is now acting as bumper guards. Why remove them when it is causing no harm?
NorthRoseGold@reddit
Yeah because most Americans get plenty of fluoride from their toothpaste. I think this is an important thing for young children though, they need a lot of fluoride. Like they need a lot more than they typically can get from toothpaste? Cuz they don't brush as well? And because they need a higher amount?
True_Way2663@reddit
I would disagree. Children are developing and there are concerns with fluoride impacting a developing brain. Children also lose their teeth.
This is from the CDC:
“The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends that parents give children under the age of 6 only a pea-sized amount of toothpaste for brushing, and should do their best to make sure their children are not swallowing, as this can be a significant source of fluoride. Speak to your child’s dentist before using fluoride toothpaste in children under 2 years of age. Low- and no-fluoride toothpastes and other dental products are also available.”
Lost-Mulberry2068@reddit
No but everything they do HAS TO BE BAD haven't you heard
parakeetpoop@reddit
Toothpaste can expire. My husband and I had an unopened tube that was something like 6 years old and we both ended up with swollen gums. Switched to a new tube, same brand, no issues.
sarielg@reddit
make your own toothpaste. Water, baking soda, a drop or two of mint for flavor. mix to a paste, use for the week. does not include fluoride or other neato 1st world stuff but it's better than just water.
You could also use infused water that's been brewed with an antiseptic like Lavender, Oregano, or Goldenseal (I have also heard that strawberry leaves can be used as an antiseptic as well). This should kill some of the bacteria in your mouth but isn't nearly as powerful as the stuff they use in commercially available products.
Aurorer@reddit
Why are people using products past their expiration date?
Quick_Step_1755@reddit
Because many of the expiration dates are ridiculously short. Isopropyl alcohol has an expiration date on the container. There's very little downside to making an expiration date really short for a manufacturer.
parakeetpoop@reddit
For toothpaste, the shelf life of fluoride is relatively short. It breaks down over time.
I think you’re rooting your opinion on the exp dates for drugs. Prescription drugs have a 1 year expiration because they’re required to list a date by the FDA, but toothpaste isn’t regulated like that.
If you are concerned about the expiration date being valid, just look up the shelf life of the chemicals. Ie, look at the science.
Wers81@reddit
Many drugs are used in medical settings and for military living abroad. Most things are fine long past the dates. They may not be as effective or taste as good.
particleman3@reddit
Bite toothpaste. Dried tabs should have a much longer shelf life
buggybugoot@reddit
Fuuuuuuuuck
Iwritetohearmyself@reddit
OMG 😭
soundkeed@reddit
Get hydroxyapatite based toothpaste
Diaza_Kinutz@reddit
This. More effective than fluoride and safer. I don't know why people are so hung up on fluoride.
Gypmia2019@reddit
I havent used Fluoride in over 20 years. I get perioral dermatitis if I do which is a bitch to get rid of. My teeth are fine and the dentist said they are in great shape.
Definitelymostlikely@reddit
Yeah this is survivorship bias.
Some people just don’t get cavities due to the mouth microbiome.
Some people are more prone to cavities even if they brush and floss as recommended.
Some people eat 10 pieces of candy in one sitting
Some people eat 10 pieces of candy throughout the day. These will yield different dental results.
Unfortunately medical/dental is very complicated in that there’s hundreds of variables from person to person.
And what may work for most may not be a sure fire fix for every single person
ComfortableTwo80085@reddit
u/wanderingpeddlar
Just being realistic. If you require medication to fall asleep, you are not a person that is capable of surviving an apocalyptic scenario when your meds are no longer obtainable. That also proves true for those with BPD. If you require medication to survive and function, you are not built to survive.
Post modern reality doesn't care about your personal healthcare conditions. Frankly, diabetics would largely not survive. Sorry, but that's reality. That's what preppers should be prepared to understand.
Edit: and fyi, u/SituationSad4304 blocked me which proves they simply are not capable of functioning in a prepper scenario. A few words challenging their prescription scenario caused them to electronically block a digital user when confronted with criticism.
They are not going to survive reality when real shit hits the fan. And I'm not a dick for pointing that out.
wanderingpeddlar@reddit
First off yes you are a dick for declaring someone you don't know is not going to survive.
Your not pointing it out you are attempting to beat them over the head with your opinion. And that is in fact being a dick
ComfortableTwo80085@reddit
Watch any zombie show like The Last of Us or The Walking Dead.
There are not people requiring sleeping meds, BPD meds, nor those requiring insulin.
I'm not a dick for providing this reality.
wanderingpeddlar@reddit
Ok guy and how exactly likely is a zombie out break?
Oh its just fiction.
Yeah your being a dick. And you call zombies reality.
Go back to the porn sub reddits
Bye
ComfortableTwo80085@reddit
It's not about the reality of a zombie outbreak. It's about the reality of society suffering a major crisis like a nuclear war that upends the comforts of reality like the supply of medication.
What is the subreddit about? It's about being prepped for catastrophe and news that relates to it lmao.
If you require meds for mental health, you aren't going to function when supplies are cut off.
If you require insulin to survive, you will die when insulin supplies are cut off.
I'm simply pointing out the harsh reality (which is often shown in fictional shows) that comes with surviving a major catastrophic event.
ComfortableTwo80085@reddit
Someone that requires sleep medication is obviously someone not geared to handle the reality of a post-apocalyptic reality especially if they require a need to stockpile sleeping medication. Additionally, they require additional medication to treat a mental illness of BPD.
Reality is recognizing not everyone will survive a post-apocalyptic scenario. And recognizing those that require medication are at a fundamental disadvantage when the modern supply chain is demolished is absolutely practical and logical.
No_Bend8@reddit
I'm confused. So they've decided fluoride IS good for our teeth. .....But its not good to drink it in our water..??? So ingesting it is bad ??? We should spit it out ?? I have many questions
ASteelyDan@reddit
It prevents cavities and it lowers IQ in children
https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/research/assessments/noncancer/completed/fluoride
Anonnnnnn1265@reddit
… at more than 2x the recommended limit. There’s no evidence it causes decreased IQ at the levels we actually have.
Similarly, drinking one gallon of water in 1 minute will kill you. It’s recommended to drink a half gallon each day. Therefore, let’s ban water.
lightbonnets50@reddit
I mean—-it is an amount thing. Just like water is good for us, but too much water can kill us. Fluoride is the same thing. Specific amounts are helpful. Too much is harmful. Right amount of food is good/too much is bad. Etc.
Euphoric_Grass_5973@reddit
Fluoride is needed to help baby permanent teeth grow enamel in young children. This has been proven to decrease cavities in poor areas.
https://www.ada.org/resources/ada-library/oral-health-topics/fluoride-topical-and-systemic-supplements
Heavy_Whereas6432@reddit
This was proved in the 50s. We are going backwards
Previous-Pomelo-7721@reddit
Ah that makes sense, all their policies punish the poor.
curlofheadcurls@reddit
They're trying to get rid of teeth because the rich are worried about us eating them
dewdropcat@reddit
That's what blenders are for!
curlofheadcurls@reddit
And guillotines!
Beautiful-Rhubarb-13@reddit
I am getting awful hungry.
Ok_Cartographer516@reddit
Baking soda and charcoal on a stick
synonymsanonymous@reddit
Time to look up ancient medieval toothpaste recipes! One was found to work just as good if not better then toothpaste when tested but I can't find the paper...
AnthonyGSXR@reddit
That regrowing breakthrough might come in handy soon
Oralprecision@reddit
You should really read the methods they used to do that - they blasted the rat with a metric fuckton of radiation…
AnthonyGSXR@reddit
I have a whole bottle of potassium iodide 🤣
Deus_is_Mocking_Us@reddit
So when you die of mouth cancer, your pituitary gland will be in tip-top shape.
Planeandaquariumgeek@reddit
Unless fluoride toothpaste+mouthwash is banned this is a nothing burger.
parakeetpoop@reddit
The FDA is actively looking at a ban on flouride
Planeandaquariumgeek@reddit
Reputable source on that? I’ve only heard about water not toothpaste.
parakeetpoop@reddit
https://kffhealthnews.org/morning-breakout/hhs-chief-rfk-jr-urges-more-states-to-outlaw-fluoride-in-drinking-water/
Planeandaquariumgeek@reddit
Any reputable source? I don’t trust weird links.
Igotzhops@reddit
You don't trust...one of the most prevalent and reputable sources for health news?
Planeandaquariumgeek@reddit
I’m worried about links with government viruses embedded in them to track dissent.
Deus_is_Mocking_Us@reddit
That's retarded. Get Tor browser and take your meds.
parakeetpoop@reddit
That’s actually an extremely reputable source. KFF is the Kaiser Family Foundation. This is KFFs healthcare reporting.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Family_Foundation
Planeandaquariumgeek@reddit
Unwilling to trust, find a legit website.
parakeetpoop@reddit
It’s a legit website but ok.
https://apnews.com/article/fluoride-cdc-epa-6f4dbc64b5dc511f712a82cd2d252d76
https://apnews.com/article/fluoride-fda-kennedy-cavities-teeth-water-22c5aefeb97c411e2fda0c4754b78cf2
https://www.axios.com/local/salt-lake-city/2025/04/07/rfk-epa-zeldin-fluoride-drinking-water-ban
Planeandaquariumgeek@reddit
The 2 links that were trustworthy talk about water and some kind of tablets. Nothing about toothpaste. Also be careful with links, they’re probably including malware to monitor dissent.
Previous-Pomelo-7721@reddit
No, pediatric patients at risk specifically need to ingest fluoride. Topical is not sufficient.
Planeandaquariumgeek@reddit
Learn something new every day
Why_You_Mad_@reddit
It’s a concern if you have children, otherwise yeah you should just invest in some higher fluoride toothpaste/mouthwash.
Theres also places that naturally have higher fluoride concentrations in groundwater, and if you’re on a well you’ll get plenty.
madsjchic@reddit (OP)
I mean, on a population level it’s not. Places that have banned it are bringing it back because of bad outcomes. Regardless, this is a prepped sub and I wanted to have a conversation about how to gauge how bad it’s going to be and how to prepare for that eventuality.
True_Way2663@reddit
You are comparing 1962 to now. Stop. Fluoride in tap water isn’t going to help a homeless person who never brushes.
madsjchic@reddit (OP)
???? I’m worried about my god damn kids and trying to gather information.
thiccDurnald@reddit
Yes you should include toothpaste as part of your prepping. Regardless of whatever articles you are reading that are currently freaking you out.
Hellchron@reddit
Brush 2-3 times a day and you should be fine. Pretty much anyone on a well has been going without fluoride in their water already. Banning it in our water won't help any, and it's kinda dumb and pointless, but start building better brushing habits now and people should be alright. Of course, the reality is it will have an increased impact on lower income people/families that already are overworked and underpaid but that's just how we do it i guess
NorthRoseGold@reddit
Who are these bad outcomes? Everyone's toothpaste has plenty of fluoride.
madsjchic@reddit (OP)
I mean, I’m not on a crusade to convince you. If you cared to Google at all you could find these yourself. But here’s one: Calgary
Sdguppy1966@reddit
Just gonna say, I brushed and flossed my teeth growing up without fluoridated water. Still got a mouthful of cavities and now those teeth are breaking and needing expensive crowns. Fluoridated water is safe and effective.
buggybugoot@reddit
I know someone with 3 kids under the age of 9. The mother is anti-fluoride. They use bottled water for everything and I mean literally everything. And they have zero fluoride toothpaste. I can’t say anything as it’s not my place but I keep thinking how I’m gonna have to tell them NO when they come crawling asking for financial help for the shitshow their idiocy is gonna unleash on those babies’ teeth.
Sdguppy1966@reddit
I had so much shame about all of my untreated cavities when I joined the military. I was super poor in high school in college. And I thought it was just because I didn’t do enough. I had no idea it was because we had no fluoride in the water. I mean, I have pain every day from some of these issues. I hope RFK Junior experiences the consequences of swimming in that Schitt’s Creek.
ryleg@reddit
Uh, no.
Ickysquicky@reddit
Wow, what a well thought out and formulated response! You don't sound like a moron at all sweetie.
monkeywrench1788@reddit
Uh, that made me laugh
ryleg@reddit
Ha ha let's all poison our kids for no improvement over brushing with flouride, a known neurotoxin, because someone made a joke on the Internet and I'm a partisan hack who is too lazy to do ANY research... Ha ha
PenetrationT3ster@reddit
It isn't a neurotoxin. You don't even know what that words means. It has saved countless teeth and suffering.
It one of the most studied metals on the planet.
ryleg@reddit
You should read this: https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/fluoride-childrens-health-grandjean-choi/
It's definitely a neurotoxin. The only question is if at low levels it negatively impact children's IQs or not. I don't want to risk it, especially considering the benefits are minimal at best in developed countries.
PenetrationT3ster@reddit
It isn't a neurotoxin. You don't even know what that words means. It has saved countless teeth and suffering.
It is one of the most studied elements on the planet.
Dasylupe@reddit
“Research”
Crazy_Ad4505@reddit
Monkey powder!
Magicman0430@reddit
This is actually music to my ears... As Fluoride is poison. Bravo…
Now, let's most importantly fix the food and then get invermectin on the shelves in drug stores to help protect you from the nasty rona or any other type of parasites that they call viruses.
Ofcourse its really all hogwash till stuff actually starts happening.
Outside-Inspection68@reddit
Man I love my european tapwater
ASteelyDan@reddit
Does it have fluoride? How are your countries teeth?
Why_You_Mad_@reddit
It primarily affects children and teenager’s teeth. Toothpastes in Europe tend to have higher fluoride concentrations than in the U.S.
Opening_Pop9042@reddit
Yes!!!! Go buy more fluoride. Drink it. We're over populated.
flyinmonkees@reddit
If you’re planning for some sort of apocalypse scenario, best to learn how to make your own soap, toothpaste, shampoo, household cleaners, etc.
PooPooDooDooPants@reddit
Poison and dems are full of shit.
"The NTP monograph concluded, with moderate confidence, that higher levels of fluoride exposure, such as drinking water containing more than 1.5 milligrams of fluoride per liter, are associated with lower IQ in children."
https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/research/assessments/noncancer/completed/fluoride
spironoWHACKtone@reddit
Real quick, what is the recommended concentration of fluoride for municipal drinking water in the US?
PooPooDooDooPants@reddit
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services recommends a fluoride level of 0.7 milligrams per liter (mg/L) in drinking water.
Now use your big girl brains, do you think this relationship is a power or exponential one?
Realistically it's a linear one. Worst case it's a logarithmic one.
Neurotoxins are not like flipping a switch in the body. If you'd like to take them and expose yourself and your family to them that's fine. The nonconsensual mass drugging of the population is wrong. You are a medical rapist if you think it's fine.
chunkmaster86@reddit
excited to hear my competition in the apocalypse will be voluntarily self medicating with retard juice
Beccachicken@reddit
COMPROMISED P I N E A L G L A N D S
ContemptAndHumble@reddit
Some places have naturally occurring fluoride in the water. In Colorado Springs they have to dilute the water to reduce the fluoride levels. Back in the 1800's Co Springs was one of the starting points on the benefits of fluoride in water.
https://www.csu.org/water-service/fluoride
https://www.acsh.org/news/2025/01/03/fluoride-how-dentists-curiosity-turned-brown-smiles-public-health-win-49214
agent_mick@reddit
What is the purpose of these rollbacks? Like, what does he gain from pushing bullshit "science", honestly.
bzakillabee@reddit
Our forefathers did not defeat the British just to have this fucking shit
shutupyourenotmydad@reddit
It still boggles my mind that the Brits fluoridate their water and still have the worst reputation for dental hygiene.
Dangerous-School2958@reddit
They're mimicking EU standards... our teeth are fine folks
TurtleStepper@reddit
Alright, this thread was the final straw lol. Unsubbed.
Burnrate@reddit
You could just not constantly eat sugar and floss and brush your teeth.
madsjchic@reddit (OP)
Bold of you to assume we have a sugar habit and DONT brush and floss.
Burnrate@reddit
The vast majority of the world seems to get by just fine without flouride in the drinking water
lickmyfupa@reddit
I have well water, so im unsure about it containing flouride or not. I will stay stocked up on flouride-containing toothpastes and mouthwashes because that's what i usually do anyway. They say its just the water today. tommorow, it could be the toothpaste or some other thing pulled out of thin air. Stay stocked up on what you and your family need. Period.. This circus of an administration has many acts left to go. We will all be lucky to have a pot to piss in by the end of things possibly.
Pacifically_Waving@reddit
You can always get “extra” fluoride toothpaste by prescription from your DDS. I’ve been doing this for years. Besides, aren’t drug prices coming down (lol b/c he always lies).
Zephyr_Dragon49@reddit
How are you going to stock up on a prescription
tkb072003@reddit
Why stop at Fluoride? Toothpaste and Mouthwash are good for your teeth, I think we should add those to our drinking water. Makes sense we should cover our bases and eat those too.
CapnCurt81@reddit
I remember reading several studies that showed the impact of fluoridated water has been much less significant since the rise of toothpastes and mouthwashes containing fluoride. Any improvement seen in areas with fluoridated water is really just the water making up somewhat for otherwise poor dental hygiene. In other words…just brush yo damn teeth. And teach your kids how to take of theirs as well.
Star-Lrd247@reddit
You can’t just stop using fluoride all together but there are alternatives if you can afford nano hydroxyapatite toothpaste (greater than 10% concentration). I’ve been on that and well water for years and my teeth have been doing even better than before (and I certainly am not shy of the sugar…).
Up until a certain age I will only let my child use a kids nano hydroxyapatite toothpaste. Not worth the risk of the potential impact it has on the early developing brain - until we have some more concrete evidence…the studies that show negative side effects, yes, are at abnormally high doses but that obviously means there could be harder to quantify impacts as the normally used amounts.
But yea, if you’re prepping for the end times, who gives a **** buy whatever you can. I have a bunch of regular fluoride paste stocked.
Sweet-Leadership-290@reddit
I would recommend the calcium apatite toothpaste and mouthwash.
iridescent-shimmer@reddit
The one brand that Target sells was like $17 a tube. Insanity.
VonWelby@reddit
My dentist suggested a special fluoride rinse.
TrickBarnacle5578@reddit
HHS secretary swimming in actual shit creek, wanting everyone to let their teeth rot out before turning 8.