Who uses a wiki? I play a game as the lord intended: with the volume turned down while my parents fight in the other room until my dad, who has been increasingly slurring his words with each drink he takes, picks up my console and throws in through the living room window while calling me a failure, just like my mother who can’t even take a punch like she used to.
Fuck I can't find the video where the russian (I think) dude is gaming then his father comes to beat the shit out of him while he still tries to focus on the game.
The 'best' part of my parents fighting was that they were fighting in the morning, when I was preparing to to go to school so it's easy to dissociate. The worst (or maybe the second best?) part is that I end up dissociating the whole day and it only stop when I went to sleep.
-Giant autoplay video ads that take up the entire top of the page, then follow you and keep playing minimized when you go down
-Ads ontop, on the side, below, and even inserted in the middle of articles.
-Unrelated articles at the end of each page, which redirects you to completely unrelated wikis.
-Very limited page layout and wiki themes. There’s always a useless sidebar on the left with links you’d never click.
-Not allowing staff to limit edits for new members. Fandom accounts are "verified" after 4 days, which lets them edit any non-locked or admin specific pages.
-Forcibly added AI "quick answers" which even wikis admins can’t remove and give blatantly false information (they rolled this back, but they also said it would come back later whether we like it or not)
-Literally letting McDonald turn a wiki’s page about the history of Grimace into a giant ad for the Grimace Shake
And finally, the cherry on top…
-Dogshit policy regarding migration away from fandom, including:
1) a "no deletion" policy ("The wiki will stay up as long as people might use it
2) insane SEO that makes google almost always favor fandom over secondary wikis
3) a "1 week grace" period where you’re allowed to advertise the new wiki, after which the links and announcements are taken down, and all mods/admins involved with the other wiki are forcibly demoted on fandom.
I’d advise you look up Mossbag’s video on the topic, it’s pretty extensive.
thank you for the very informative answer, I don’t know why I got downvoted ahaha i’m not trying to say it’s not bad or anything i just didn’t know how bad it was fully
i love terraria to bits but i have no fucking clue how youre supposed to get into the game without playing with a friend. the pc version still having no tutorial is actually criminal
It’s fine for pre-hardmode at least. I made it to the Wall of Flesh as a young kid playing the game without even knowing there was a wiki, progression just took me longer. Progression before hardmode is pretty straightforward, it’s mostly just digging down deeper to get further, till you reach the Underworld
I mean honestly, just play it. Put new materials into the guide to see what they make. Try to find those things. Explore. I found 90% of what I needed until I needed the guide stuffy doll from a demon, I just literally could not get that mob to spawn for a long time. The only things I had to look up were specific trinkets that I couldn't find after like 30 hours
I've tried twice, I just can't for the life of me get into it. Constantly having to Google things, not even knowing what I am supposed to Google, and generally being clueless all the time is just a horrific starter experience, the entire game feels like a chore. I bet it's much more fun after you get the hang of it, but I just can't
Terraria isn't about grinding and getting to the next boss asap though, it's an exploration game with all those things added so it doesn't get boring. You're supposed to get fucked by accidentally going to the snow biome at night during a blizzard or not knowing what this weird looking eye does
Guide has been a lot of help when I started playing Terraria and he has been updated since to help even more with hints and stuff to let you know how to progress further, even if it is not detailed as it should properly be.
At least it is not Minecraft where the only guides are achievements which also exist in Terraria.
terraria doesn't tell you about ANYTHING you're supposed to do at all, at least from my experience. tried to play the game 10s of times and didn't understand anything for it, there's not much environmental story telling/narrative either.
in soulsborne games (eat least speaking for DS1&3 and ER) you can at least finish the main story without looking up a guide at all or looking at 2 guides at most if you weren't paying attention and got lost. most dialogues with NPCs already tell you what to do and where to go, its just lack of quests GUI so you can't keep track of it unless you manually do. i think soulsborne is also justified cause its not just a sandbox-ish 2D platformer with no indicators about anything at all.
Sometimes it’s the only option and it suuuuucks. TBoI put off migration away from fandom for so fucking long, they only went through with it last year. There was no other alternative. Meanwhile, big TBoI mods like Fiend Folio or Revelations were on wiki.gg in 2020 already.
4 wikis : the abandoned one, the grief one, the badly translated german to polish, and finally the only useful is fandom but I refuse to use it, a professional has standards.
the shitty owner and admin, they use to modify wikis to promote some shits like McDonald, they use to kick wiki mods, there is a heck ton of ads everywhere
What about the one on that website that’s so full of ads that it crashes on mobile for pages with lots of content ( main characters ) meaning they’re only useful for 2 sentence side characters
I can’t remember if they’re the same, but then there’s that one that asks if you’re a kid or adult. I choose kids because if you gotta filer out adult ads, I probably don’t wanna see them.
you can just visit them and see, the most elaborate one is the Calamity fandom wiki. theres a fuckton of genuinely cool fan content mixed with utter brainrot nonsense lmfao
It’s ridiculous that neither the players nor the devs expect the product to be finished or even playable on release. Paradox literally uses their customers as beta testers
I totally feel you, and I am glad the game is a genuine labour of love for the team - but I still don’t think it’s good practice to release unfinished games or DLC at full price. They could at least classify them as early access or something like that
Yes your sentiment is the same here. That's why i dont bother playing early access games unless i really like the concept and cant wait for the full game to come out. For me personally i can deal with bugs( if they re the fun kind), but if the game is optimized poorly that's a dealbreaker for me. Luckily there are a ton of indie games, that are honestly better in most ways than AAA games.
Big game devs have destroyed games by implementing FOMO elements in game or with live service game model. I miss olser games where you bought a game and you played it offline and you didn't have any of the bs tasks/quests. Like i have a job, games should be fun not a chore.
While i was unemployed i had more tolerance, now i realised i just want my game to be fun to play nothing more nothing else.
It's certainly not great practice but at the end of the day over the long run i get a good game from devs who care and will listen to feedback, with a decade of post launch support and development, that always ends up better with time. I just wish they'd cut the bullshit and basically keep their current system but replace the launch with an open beta, give the dlc part of it to anyone who preorders, and just wait to "release" it until after people stop bitching about the beta.
Playable at least, but doesn't feel like a full game unless you have the utopia dlc at the very minimum. Everything else is just flavourful sci-fi additions.
The amount of details and work put into it, including making sure all possible interactions are accounted for so i dont have to go google and find a 10 year old reddit thread with deleted comments to answer my questions
god i fucking love OSRS Wiki. I never saw wiki with more charm and love for mantaining and making new posts for it. Literally wet dream of every wiki needy game.
OSRS and RS3 don't have this problem, thank God. That would have made the games 90% more frustrating when I was playing regularly. Not having a comprehensive game resource is ASS for most modern games to be quite honest.
Dark Souls have 3 wikis - a Fandom one, a Fextralife one and Wikidot one - and none of them has all the information and none of them is always right with the information it has
Dude I’ve had to read ign articles on elden ring dungeons and been completely fucked over before because the dumb fuck game journalist told me to go right when I should’ve gone LEFT, they are never gonna beat the allegations for being absolutely dog shit at games.
Except on the occasion where the other 3 wikis were all competing projects to replace the fandom one, but none of them really took off so the fandom one is the only that’s actually useful
Most likely the old one hosted on shitstain FANDOM that's been half-abandonned and the new one or two where the wikipedists have migrated - lower on the search page (thanks, Google's FANDOM-loving algorythms) but better maintained.
the Indie Wiki Buddy browser extension will redirect you to the best one.
Andrwystieee@reddit
Terraria?
thr33beggars@reddit
Who uses a wiki? I play a game as the lord intended: with the volume turned down while my parents fight in the other room until my dad, who has been increasingly slurring his words with each drink he takes, picks up my console and throws in through the living room window while calling me a failure, just like my mother who can’t even take a punch like she used to.
nyaasgem@reddit
Fuck I can't find the video where the russian (I think) dude is gaming then his father comes to beat the shit out of him while he still tries to focus on the game.
Klactech@reddit
I think it's this one. The guy is Ukrainian. https://youtu.be/OiyU_56DJmE
nyaasgem@reddit
It's been a week but you still delivered. Respect.
Ecco_Edd@reddit
Gotta disassociate somehow
shinfoni@reddit
The 'best' part of my parents fighting was that they were fighting in the morning, when I was preparing to to go to school so it's easy to dissociate. The worst (or maybe the second best?) part is that I end up dissociating the whole day and it only stop when I went to sleep.
sexhaver34567@reddit
Lore one, game mechanics one, poorly written fandom one, reworked general .wiki domain one.
riipndip@reddit
what’s wrong with fandom? i’ve never heard this much hate on it before
Supershadow30@reddit
Plenty of things, to name a few:
-Giant autoplay video ads that take up the entire top of the page, then follow you and keep playing minimized when you go down
-Ads ontop, on the side, below, and even inserted in the middle of articles.
-Unrelated articles at the end of each page, which redirects you to completely unrelated wikis.
-Very limited page layout and wiki themes. There’s always a useless sidebar on the left with links you’d never click.
-Not allowing staff to limit edits for new members. Fandom accounts are "verified" after 4 days, which lets them edit any non-locked or admin specific pages.
-Forcibly added AI "quick answers" which even wikis admins can’t remove and give blatantly false information (they rolled this back, but they also said it would come back later whether we like it or not)
-Literally letting McDonald turn a wiki’s page about the history of Grimace into a giant ad for the Grimace Shake
And finally, the cherry on top…
-Dogshit policy regarding migration away from fandom, including: 1) a "no deletion" policy ("The wiki will stay up as long as people might use it 2) insane SEO that makes google almost always favor fandom over secondary wikis 3) a "1 week grace" period where you’re allowed to advertise the new wiki, after which the links and announcements are taken down, and all mods/admins involved with the other wiki are forcibly demoted on fandom.
I’d advise you look up Mossbag’s video on the topic, it’s pretty extensive.
riipndip@reddit
thank you for the very informative answer, I don’t know why I got downvoted ahaha i’m not trying to say it’s not bad or anything i just didn’t know how bad it was fully
notShek@reddit
terraria players have convinced themselves that this is good gameplay
MuchNoise1@reddit
I enjoy it but alt tabbing to my browser every few minutes isnt the greatest lmao
FrazzleFlib@reddit
i love terraria to bits but i have no fucking clue how youre supposed to get into the game without playing with a friend. the pc version still having no tutorial is actually criminal
ValuableSp00n@reddit
You are supposed to use the wiki, theres no way anyone can play terraria blind
sloothor@reddit
It’s fine for pre-hardmode at least. I made it to the Wall of Flesh as a young kid playing the game without even knowing there was a wiki, progression just took me longer. Progression before hardmode is pretty straightforward, it’s mostly just digging down deeper to get further, till you reach the Underworld
A_Stoned_Smurf@reddit
I mean honestly, just play it. Put new materials into the guide to see what they make. Try to find those things. Explore. I found 90% of what I needed until I needed the guide stuffy doll from a demon, I just literally could not get that mob to spawn for a long time. The only things I had to look up were specific trinkets that I couldn't find after like 30 hours
sample-name@reddit
I've tried twice, I just can't for the life of me get into it. Constantly having to Google things, not even knowing what I am supposed to Google, and generally being clueless all the time is just a horrific starter experience, the entire game feels like a chore. I bet it's much more fun after you get the hang of it, but I just can't
General-Rye@reddit
Tell me you never bothered talking to the guide without telling me you never bothered talking to the guide…
ValuableSp00n@reddit
The guide: “Yea bro here is the equipment you should grind for based for your class as well as the next boss you are meant to summon”
abouttogivebirth@reddit
Terraria isn't about grinding and getting to the next boss asap though, it's an exploration game with all those things added so it doesn't get boring. You're supposed to get fucked by accidentally going to the snow biome at night during a blizzard or not knowing what this weird looking eye does
potrcko92@reddit
Guide has been a lot of help when I started playing Terraria and he has been updated since to help even more with hints and stuff to let you know how to progress further, even if it is not detailed as it should properly be.
At least it is not Minecraft where the only guides are achievements which also exist in Terraria.
mfsausage44@reddit
Literally this, it's like the game was made in a way you have 0 clue on what to do in the first playthrough
Gary_FucKing@reddit
Soulsborne players have convinced themselves this is good narrative.
togesake@reddit
terraria doesn't tell you about ANYTHING you're supposed to do at all, at least from my experience. tried to play the game 10s of times and didn't understand anything for it, there's not much environmental story telling/narrative either.
in soulsborne games (eat least speaking for DS1&3 and ER) you can at least finish the main story without looking up a guide at all or looking at 2 guides at most if you weren't paying attention and got lost. most dialogues with NPCs already tell you what to do and where to go, its just lack of quests GUI so you can't keep track of it unless you manually do. i think soulsborne is also justified cause its not just a sandbox-ish 2D platformer with no indicators about anything at all.
theDefa1t@reddit
It's safe to ignore of it's fandom
Supershadow30@reddit
Sometimes it’s the only option and it suuuuucks. TBoI put off migration away from fandom for so fucking long, they only went through with it last year. There was no other alternative. Meanwhile, big TBoI mods like Fiend Folio or Revelations were on wiki.gg in 2020 already.
jmoney199@reddit
Escape from tarkov
SoupaMayo@reddit
4 wikis : the abandoned one, the grief one, the badly translated german to polish, and finally the only useful is fandom but I refuse to use it, a professional has standards.
hornyandHumble@reddit
What’s the matter with fandom
EngieDeer@reddit
https://i.redd.it/exru6vvnib0f1.gif
hornyandHumble@reddit
I see, i always use a adblocker, so i never realized
SoupaMayo@reddit
the shitty owner and admin, they use to modify wikis to promote some shits like McDonald, they use to kick wiki mods, there is a heck ton of ads everywhere
ZachF8119@reddit
What about the one on that website that’s so full of ads that it crashes on mobile for pages with lots of content ( main characters ) meaning they’re only useful for 2 sentence side characters
I can’t remember if they’re the same, but then there’s that one that asks if you’re a kid or adult. I choose kids because if you gotta filer out adult ads, I probably don’t wanna see them.
SoupaMayo@reddit
I think it's Fandom
PCmasterRACE187@reddit
idk i feel like fandoms are getting abandoned
FrazzleFlib@reddit
fake, if any wiki is griefed its the fandom one (calamity, binding of isaac, hollow knight)
Heathcliff511@reddit
deep rock galactic
SoupaMayo@reddit
pls tell me more, I want to know wtf they did to these wikis
FrazzleFlib@reddit
you can just visit them and see, the most elaborate one is the Calamity fandom wiki. theres a fuckton of genuinely cool fan content mixed with utter brainrot nonsense lmfao
ToreWi@reddit
Gay: you play those games
(Sorry but fake and gay must stick together)
Radio_Downtown@reddit
calamity fandom wiki schizoposting went so hard they made a whole mod just adding the wiki's content to the game
FrazzleFlib@reddit
a few of the features are actually fire like the plague rework is actually so good i wish there was a mod to just add that without the other brainrot
Cute-Conflict835@reddit
Im surprised the fandom one isnt the grief one
SoupaMayo@reddit
sometime fandom get a rollback to the time it wasnt griefed, and an old wiki is left ruined by the fans trying to add theories and headcanon in it
orangesheepdog@reddit
From my experience the Fandom one usually is the griefed one, being abandoned for wiki.gg a long time ago.
JuanchiB@reddit
That only applies if a wiki.gg exists in the first place.
HazelCheese@reddit
Worst ones for me are the "seems like a decent wiki but then halfway through you realise it's riddled with OC fan writing".
SoupaMayo@reddit
yeah that's the Oddworld wiki
Echolomaniac@reddit
Put "anti" before the "fandom" and relaoad the pafe. Just recently discovered this and has been a life saver, I can finally use the shit website
StAUG1211@reddit
What what? Does it mirror the site but cut out the ads or what?
Echolomaniac@reddit
Exactly that. Uses the data to give you a clean view with no ads
Coffee_Stash@reddit
Fextralife is the abandoned one, the grief one at the same time
gbbb2000@reddit
Kurwa!
SPkiller31YT@reddit
Badly translated german to polish really scratched my Gothic itch.
CeraphFromCoC@reddit
Silent Hill 4's circumcision wiki lore is essential to the understanding of the game I swear.
DogeBeLike69@reddit
Usernameistoolonglol@reddit
>Developer released DLC and an update on the same day!
>It's buggy as hell and unplayable for the following month or two
Bread_defender@reddit
Stellaris moment. Although they have fixed a ton of bugs within nearly a week.
meme_aficionado@reddit
It’s ridiculous that neither the players nor the devs expect the product to be finished or even playable on release. Paradox literally uses their customers as beta testers
Mega_Anon@reddit
It's fine, they deserved it. All these free updates and constant expansions for such an old game. I am not even mad that I am beta testing for them
meme_aficionado@reddit
I totally feel you, and I am glad the game is a genuine labour of love for the team - but I still don’t think it’s good practice to release unfinished games or DLC at full price. They could at least classify them as early access or something like that
xigor2@reddit
Yes your sentiment is the same here. That's why i dont bother playing early access games unless i really like the concept and cant wait for the full game to come out. For me personally i can deal with bugs( if they re the fun kind), but if the game is optimized poorly that's a dealbreaker for me. Luckily there are a ton of indie games, that are honestly better in most ways than AAA games. Big game devs have destroyed games by implementing FOMO elements in game or with live service game model. I miss olser games where you bought a game and you played it offline and you didn't have any of the bs tasks/quests. Like i have a job, games should be fun not a chore. While i was unemployed i had more tolerance, now i realised i just want my game to be fun to play nothing more nothing else.
RianThe666th@reddit
It's certainly not great practice but at the end of the day over the long run i get a good game from devs who care and will listen to feedback, with a decade of post launch support and development, that always ends up better with time. I just wish they'd cut the bullshit and basically keep their current system but replace the launch with an open beta, give the dlc part of it to anyone who preorders, and just wait to "release" it until after people stop bitching about the beta.
JuanHernandes89@reddit
I was thinking of buying this game.
How playable is it without dlc?
Silverwolffe@reddit
Playable at least, but doesn't feel like a full game unless you have the utopia dlc at the very minimum. Everything else is just flavourful sci-fi additions.
DarthVeigar_@reddit
Helldivers 2 moment.
ChoiceFudge3662@reddit
seekers of the storm moment
theDefa1t@reddit
I mod the shit out of my skyrim but then Bethesda breaks all the mods when they release a surprise update
UrMomIsVeryBig@reddit
Elite dangerous moment
Tagalyaga@reddit
Me when Stormworks
IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE@reddit
Stellaris huh
Zurolo@reddit
risk of rain 2 momento
LordSevolox@reddit
Paradox Interactive moment
redraptor117@reddit
Don't forget breaking half the old content that'll be fixed 6 years later
lardman1@reddit
Yet positive reviews keep pouring in, and you’re left to wonder “is it me?”
aIhamdullilah@reddit
I leave the community as soon as I see this cultish behaviour.
I am not build for that
CruisingandBoozing@reddit
I will continue to use UESP.
Post-Financial@reddit
Noita moment
splashtext@reddit
UESP should be the standard when it comes to game wikis
Xistence16@reddit
UESP is the absolute goat
The amount of details and work put into it, including making sure all possible interactions are accounted for so i dont have to go google and find a 10 year old reddit thread with deleted comments to answer my questions
Too-many-Bees@reddit
I have been ruined by the UESP
Nintendoge21@reddit
Terraria calamity infernum lol
HolyTrain@reddit
god i fucking love OSRS Wiki. I never saw wiki with more charm and love for mantaining and making new posts for it. Literally wet dream of every wiki needy game.
MonkaSDudes@reddit
Path of exile players having the wiki, craft of exile, PoB and trade website open at the same
hullunmylly@reddit
You forgot poeninja, poedb, exilence, poere, tft...
Dale_Wardark@reddit
OSRS and RS3 don't have this problem, thank God. That would have made the games 90% more frustrating when I was playing regularly. Not having a comprehensive game resource is ASS for most modern games to be quite honest.
Agerones@reddit
Dark Souls have 3 wikis - a Fandom one, a Fextralife one and Wikidot one - and none of them has all the information and none of them is always right with the information it has
Artemas_16@reddit
Thank god my game has only three.
AdamofSnakes@reddit
Search for enemy info or something.
First result is a IGN article.
Fuuuucckkk!
Cerenas@reddit
Those are the worst, like 90% of the text is literal filler
ChoiceFudge3662@reddit
Dude I’ve had to read ign articles on elden ring dungeons and been completely fucked over before because the dumb fuck game journalist told me to go right when I should’ve gone LEFT, they are never gonna beat the allegations for being absolutely dog shit at games.
GamerGriffin548@reddit
That's why Sarna.net is the best. One wiki for a 40 year old game franchise and hasn't fractured one bit.
Ladenverzippelnogip@reddit
Name 1 (one) game.
iBCatto@reddit
factorio
holnicote@reddit
fuck fandom, all my homies hate fandom.
kilqax@reddit
Fandom wiki doesn't count so that's just 3 wikis
TheMends@reddit
Neither does Fextra, good luck trying to see shit bro here's a stream from a nobody to occupy half of your screen
Kirbyintron@reddit
Except on the occasion where the other 3 wikis were all competing projects to replace the fandom one, but none of them really took off so the fandom one is the only that’s actually useful
YaBoiAsgore@reddit
dark souls
Blue2501@reddit
Dark Souls 2 specifically
YaBoiAsgore@reddit
I was honestly specifically talking about 2 but assumed that they all must have had that many because I only ever used wiki dot for 1
Niimura@reddit
Terraria
ah-squalo@reddit
“Which game is this for you 😮🤲✌️👌”
Opposite_Dimension27@reddit
4 channers try not to be miserable challenge: fail
AychB@reddit
That was a close one- try another!
Lyngoop79@reddit
game has a wiki
its not runescape
Emergency_Apricot_77@reddit
What game is this
rokomotto@reddit
Are they for mods or something?
Or there's one official one and three shitty ones?
ikonfedera@reddit
Most likely the old one hosted on shitstain FANDOM that's been half-abandonned and the new one or two where the wikipedists have migrated - lower on the search page (thanks, Google's FANDOM-loving algorythms) but better maintained.
the Indie Wiki Buddy browser extension will redirect you to the best one.