Anon Hates Star Trek | TheaterFire

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reddit_has_fallenoff@reddit

Sci fi is the result of gaytheists trying to fill the human need for spirituality/the divine with goyslop and product to consoom.

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No-Zucchini2787@reddit

Anon doesn't hate star trek.

Anon is true Trekkie. These shows are fucking shit except maybe lower decks.

Now I finally know why their estimates are too high.

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Consistent_Drink2171@reddit

A true Trekker knows that progressive politics have always been a partnof the show. It's a utopian future, of course it is left wing.

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Consistent_Drink2171@reddit

That's what every right winger says. "I'm OK with the progress we've made, but no more!" The left will keep making progress while the right opposes every step.

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endlessnamelesskat@reddit

It's a bit like music. People say stuff made today is trash while stuff from when they were young or before was better.

What actually happened is the majority of all music made in terms of sheer volume has always been shit, only a few good things took off and were remembered across multiple generations and will continue to be in the future. It's the difference between sifting through shit and looking back and seeing all the gems that previous generations hold on to after they sifted through their generation's shitty culture.

So to is it with progressive/conservative politics. We need to progress as the world changes, but the majority of ideas made up by progressives are utter self destructive dogshit and conservatism exists to point it out. However there will be ideas that progressives come up with that will be proven to work in the real world conservatives will oppose out of reflexive tribalism.

After years of these new ideas being shown to be good they will be adopted into mainstream conservatism and all the other shitty ideas are memory holed out of existence. Without progressives we can't innovate, without conservatives we no structure.

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gman8686@reddit

It's like that one episode of South Park where the Democrats and Republicans realize they need each other lol

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centurio_v2@reddit

Yeah they used to be good at writing the progressive politics is the thing though.

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Navy_Pheonix@reddit

The stupid thing is that Picard actually writes Capitalism back into the universe for some reason, much to the complaint of fans. Turns out it's hard to have villainous motives for human characters when they have no threat of pverty any more.

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centurio_v2@reddit

Its really not. TNG did it plenty lol

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Navy_Pheonix@reddit

It is according to the Picard writers.

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TMWNN@reddit

progressive politics

broad-minded liberal humanism != "progressive politics"

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wordjedi@reddit

If "liberal" or "progressive" is always the regarded shite some 20 year old liberal arts major just thought of 15 minutes ago, and you're a red hatted fast-shist if you disagree, we are truly lost

That's why I don't give a fuck about the moral lessons Alex Kurtzman's writers want to teach us. They are morally rudderless

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wallagrargh@reddit

But the basis of the utopia originally was a materialist concept of left wing. Post-scarcity kinda-space-communism, interplanetary cooperation, pacifism and solidarity and so on. In present day US culture, "progressive" and "left wing" have fundamentally lost track of those ideals. It's all about the relative privileges of the individual, validation of identities and various petty revenge fantasies. Slave morality, no universal principles. And the sci-fi we get today tends to reflect this shift.

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GormBerry@reddit

Actually a close watching of TNG reveals a much more libertarian attitude in the imagined future than one of a supposedly communist bent, as stated emphatically by certain people online. Watch "Lal" and "The Drumhead" especially to see this.

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wrathofbanja@reddit

Nu trek is ass

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Bernarddasbrot@reddit

I've never watched star trek except lower decks but I liked it.

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MarshallKrivatach@reddit

I can't read that last line in anything but Dukat's voice.

My sides are killing me.

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BLOODY-DIARRHEA-CHUG@reddit

"Number One, I order you to go take a Number 2"

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YourFavouriteDad@reddit

Definitely a Next Generation quote

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Sweet-Gushin-Gilfs@reddit

Star Trek and Star Wars are both gay and regarded

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philmarcracken@reddit

Everything up to and including voyager in star trek is watchable. Everything up to the moment the first ewok appears on frame in the OT is watchable. The rest: gomi^3

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Ayjayz@reddit

The throne room scenes in RotJ are good.

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centurio_v2@reddit

enterprise is good and i swear its not just because I was 7 when it was originally airing

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A-DustyOldQrow@reddit

I was 4 when it originally aired so I didn't watch it until it had already been off the air for almost 15 years, and it's my favorite Trek show. Is the writing as good as Deep Space 9? No, no it is not. But there is something about it that draws me to it. It has that original message of Star Trek— that humanity can come together and be a force of good and positive change to the world around us— but it also shows the struggle it takes to reach that enlightened state we see humanity at in the original series, and it isn't afraid to have interpersonal conflict between crew members that was such a taboo for the writers of early Trek.

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wordjedi@reddit

It's a prequel that's actually trying to be a prequel and fit into the established fictional universe, not use it as a random IP for people who could never sell their shitty scripts without the "star tracks or whatever you call it" logo as the quota hires at Paramount+ continue to do year after year for some baffling reason. If they're paid $40k a year it's too much

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horiami@reddit

The ewoks aren't that bad until they fight the empire

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philmarcracken@reddit

yeah basically. I thought it was an elaborate joke at first. bunch of ugly dwarf furries winning vs AT-STs? i could handle them not hitting luke n' co because plot armor but come the fuck on

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porn_flakes@reddit

If the galaxy's largest military force can get completely wrecked by teddy bears with sticks and rocks on a few hours notice, maybe it wasn't such a tough war.

Though my biggest gripe is definitely that they put Han and Chewie in the movie to do absolutely fuck all except crack wise with 3PO (who also had no legit reason to be on Endor in the first place) instead of them flying the Falcon, which is what they do. Instead we got Lando and Vag Face.

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A-DustyOldQrow@reddit

I will not tolerate this Enterprise slander. Imagine thinking Voyager is watchable while Enterprise isn't.

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Better_Ice3089@reddit

TBH the left-wing ideologies of older Trek was pretty dumb too since the whole thing breaks down if replicators don't exist. Basically it amounts to "if people can make anything they want at virtually no cost then society would be perfect" which is stupid because it ignores that some ideologies are completely incompatible and what do you do if two people groups want something that can't be replicated, like a strip of land next to the Mediterranean Sea? The OG writers were just smart enough to know that shit was lame and only worked if you didn't ask questions so they focused on relations outside of Earth since that was where the real meat of everything was.

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Triglycerine@reddit

Star Trek used to be written by actual sci-fi writers with a proven record rather than the average Hollywood slopper.

It also doesn't help that nowadays anything that isn't Marvel is cynical asshole city.

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superanth@reddit

TOS was written by WWII vets, like Gene Roddenberry himself. These guys had seen what happens in countries where evil triumphs, and the scripts they wrote reflected that.

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bouncyprojector@reddit

It was also a very optimistic show where the future had humanity in a better place. That stopped after TNG.

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porn_flakes@reddit

NuTrek is written by nihilists

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Kenway@reddit

A decent amount of writing in TNG and some DS9 were spec scripts. Some of those writers were good enough to hire as series writers. Ronald D. Moore passed a script in while on a set tour, lol. They tried to choose scripts based on quality back then. 😞

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A_Dragon@reddit

Yeah we really need to move back to a merit based society asap. If there’s one singular thing that’s been the death of modern culture it’s this.

OP really hit the nail on the head regarding hiring writers with actual life experience. Most writers today only have experience with the consumption of other media so everything they create becomes a mere simulacrum.

It’s possible to be a good writer without experience but you have to put a lot of effort into proper research and usually the people hired in a non-merit based society tend to be the type that do not strive for maximum effort.

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droogvertical@reddit

Star Trek peaked with DS9. Gul Dukat is a hero and did nothing wrong, honestly, the wrinkle-nosed hippie scum Bajorans should have put up a statue of him for all he’s done.

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A_Dragon@reddit

He was definitely the best Star Trek villain of all time.

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TheOrangeGuy@reddit

His insistence on fucking an entire line of women from one family line is commendable and based.

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GardenerSpyTailorAss@reddit

Dukat defff got some good villainous cackles in tho. Marc Alamio has an exceptionally evil quality about him.

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Jorvikson@reddit

ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS

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Zeus1131@reddit

Make Cardassia Great Again!

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TheOrangeGuy@reddit

We shouldn't have given in to the strike in Hollywood, we should have just let it die.

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miku_dominos@reddit

TOS, TAS, and the first six movies are kino.

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A-DustyOldQrow@reddit

Bro, how old are you?

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400asa@reddit

They just don't think they can sell actual sci-fi so they go with "picaresque but in space" every time.

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Rude_Hamster123@reddit

I was so excited when a new series launched. Man, was I ever heartbroken watching it. I muscled through a few episodes but it was unwatchably woke.

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Bouse@reddit

Discovery or Strange New Worlds? I’ve enjoyed SNW a lot. I could never finish Discovery, season 2 was a lot of work.

Lower Decks is fans making a bunch of jokes about every series. It’s genuinely the best out of the newer Treks.

Picard… is fine. Season 3 being the TNG reunion we all wanted is the only thing that gets a C- or better for me.

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Rude_Hamster123@reddit

I think it was Discovery. It the one absolutely beats you over the head with wokery from minute one? I also wanna say I watched a few SNW but it obviously didn’t capture me enough to even remember. Picard was like edging, I kept waiting for something cool to happen and after like eight episodes gave up in frustration.

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Bouse@reddit

Skip to season 3 of Picard lol. Other than Q showing up in season 2 and DeLancie being as fun as he always is… S3 is just like an extra bit of TNG.

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Rude_Hamster123@reddit

Damn they milked it that long?! I might do that.

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Bouse@reddit

Yeah just read the synopsis for 1&2 on Wikipedia. There’s some pieces of info that aren’t vital but will make Season 3 more coherent.

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A_Dragon@reddit

He’s basically correct. SNW is the closest we have come to original Trek but it’s still not quite there…

I think we just have to accept that trek will never be the same again. Even if the show gets better writers they still won’t go back to the fully procedural formula because that’s just not what TV is anymore, people just don’t want that, but it was a large part of the formula that made Star Trek good. You needed that format to tackle the social, philosophical, and psychological issues properly.

Lower decks is also good though.

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