Thank you for your input, however it's objectively true and I've seen it firsthand. I suspect many of them do it to be edgy and get attention, or because they feel an attraction to danger. He's somebody that they aren't supposed to like because he's #1 a murderer and #2 murdered women specifically, but I think it's the taboo that they enjoy.
He was also not bad looking and decently rich, along with being famous. Combine that with being exposed to millions of people and it's only natural he would get fans
Not him, but I can tell you it only works for a certain percentage of guys. I take it and it doesn't really have an effect on me. You usually have to pair it with finasteride as well because that stops your hair from actively falling out. Rogaine will only regrow hair but won't stop your hairline from receding, sometimes faster than it grows back.
It wasn't just woman; basically after it all happened the general reaction was: "What a loser - the dude isn't even ugly. He just needed to be normal and he would have done fine in life"
He’s incredibly pathetic. He’s not even unattractive and probably could have got a gf if he actually tried instead of using the strategy of being near women and hoping one would approach him to flirt. He never once tried to ask a woman out.
I read his manifesto all the way through, and funnily enough, he doesn't ever mention actually attempting to find someone in a normal way. His main strategy was to put on shades and wait around in parks 'till a gal pal appeared and walked up to him.
He was a creep. One word out of him would've given women the ick. They can smell the ineptitude a mile away. He should've just been satisfied just to be some chick's gay straight male friend and gone back to gooning in his room alone.
I remember it became a meme for people to submit his pic to streamer girls who do hotness ratings, they're all zoomer girls who have no idea who he is and he'd get rated decently.
He wasn’t a bad looking dude he just had incredibly warped views on women. He thought if he dressed nice and drove an expensive car they would just flock to him automatically. When that didn’t work he locked himself in a self-fulfilling prophecy until he crashed out.
The man-o-sphere wasn't as developed then as it is now. Back then people thought all you needed was an ironed shirt, but now people know you need to pay thousands of dollars for a self-help program that doesn't end.
Idk why but we discussed him in some college class. Several girls said “I don’t get it. He’s good looking.” Dude could’ve easily gotten laid if he wasn’t a psychopath.
Elliot literally never tried. Listening to that manifesto drove me crazy with frustration.
In the extremely limited time he wasn’t just playing WOW completely alone (seriously it was an insane amount of time) he thought that peacocking with expensive clothes and shit would somehow get women to come up to him and ask him out. Like he literally wouldn’t talk to them at all, he would just kind of exist around them and hope they’d hit him up and got mad when they didn’t. Even the biggest Chad has to at least say hi.
Elliot isn’t a lesson in how screwed men are but to show that you can be given every advantage in the entire world (as he was) and you can still botch it because YOU WONT FUCKING TRY.
I gamed non-stop and was on the internet constantly during my teens and twenties, and I still had plenty of success with women. All you gotta do is log off WoW for a little bit to go hangout with a girl and bang. Hell, most nights after I got home at 3am after partying or sex I'd hop back on WoW for a few hours.
Now if you're not willing to stop gaming for one night, even to go get laid, then that's a serious problem.
60% of physical attraction is stuff within your control tho- the real reason people love looksmaxing is because it works. most people are boring and have no personality and still fuck and women fuck big fat ugly guys all the time even not rich ones. either helps forsure but you can control and elliot was never ever going to confront his own short comings
Yes, but in your teens and 20s you're already in highly social environments where you have constant interaction with peers. Surely this kept your gaming habit from being an addiction versus a hobby.
Elliot on the other hand was mostly socially isolated. His friends from before were just people he played video games with and never managed to make those social connections outside of gaming.
I used to crank 2-3 times a day and still have dozens of sexual partners and several gf's.
The problem isn't porn or masturbation, thats just another manifestation of the actual issue of being perpetually online and having no human interactions. Scrolling reddit is as detrimental to you as watching porn.
There's always exceptions, but jacking off kills my social drive. I noticed if I stop gooning for a good month or two my dating and social life pick up.
But I also have no family, and none of my friends really talk to me anymore, so it's really rough starting from scratch every time. I don't have any friends I can just call up and go somewhere with.
And it's different comparing someone who has no friends or social life, to someone who's already in social environments like a college, school, or a socially active workspace.
Is it the gooning or just all the other things that line up with you gooning more e.g. being alone, internet, reddit, perpetually online as the dude above you says.
Its directly related to the gooning. Even in prison when I was constantly around people and had no internet, I noticed a direct effect masturbation had on my social drive, mental state, and energy level.
Yknow, this is deeply true and underrated. I dated a guy who spent his whole day on the damn computer. His life revolved around his gaming. Schedule was 6 months on and 6 months off, so gaming all day for 6 months and then working all day for 6 months. Wouldn’t plan a date with me but would make a detailed schedule for the week to game with his friends - would literally end our plans and schedule his entire week around gaming.
He was 30. I was his first girlfriend. He was in great shape and a decent looking guy. But he didn’t ever try. Expected me to plan dates. Execute them, and then pay for them or always go 50/50. We had one date he planned, our first one. That was it.
And if we did manage to spend time together, I couldn’t even go to the bathroom alone. He would talk to me through the door or just outright want to be in there with me. 3 months into it.
Didn’t cook. Didn’t clean. Nothing. Just video games.
And then complained that women were whores, top 10% of men, all women are shallow and control the sexual marketplace.
Women approach and pursue men often. Most of my relationships were first initiated by the woman first, not me. The whole notion that "women expect men to be the initiator" might be true for dumb gold-digging whores, but it's not true for most women.
If you've never had a single woman approach you or show romantic interest in you, then you're the problem.
Women usually "show" romantic interest the same exact way they show platonic interest. It's up to the man to decide how he wants to interpret that. And then he's either an exciting new prospect or a creep who can't take a hint.
I've been around plenty of women talking about how creeped out or annoyed they are about some guy who thought they were interested in him just because they were talking to him.
It's quite the opposite for "gold digging whores," as you put it. Those are the most enthusiastic, because the skilled ones know what to look for. An old friend of mine literally had some woman jump on him because of his fancy shirt and watch. That doesn't really happen to poor people.
I had a girl literally shove me into a bedroom at a party and lock the door behind her. At the time I was a poor, grungy, long haired, jobless, 130lbs, 5'8" bum who did nothing but play the drums for some local bands and play WoW.
No wrist watch, no fancy clothes, just reasonable looks and some personality. That's literally all it takes.
I've had plenty of relationships, but I've always been the one to initiate. All that means is that the women I attract are passive (like most men) while the women you attract are active.
Legitimately yeah that was his problem. If he were a similarly mentally ill woman and proportionally attractive as he was as a man he would have succeeded in having a relationship and having sex
Someone dating you for awhile and then leaving when they realize you are crazy, and not as rich as you pretended isn't the same as paying for a hooker.
He openly wants to fuck them only for their body, so what's the difference? I read his manifesto, he really didn't seem to comprehend relationships. He was just mad Chads were having more sex. Everything has a first step.
He openly wants to fuck them only for their body, so what's the difference?
What's the difference between wanting to fuck someone because you're attracted to them and wanting to fuck them to get access to their money? That's your question?
Sure but my point Wasn't that this would be the end goal but that it would be a stopping stone. Also, it's not even true that he thinks he wouldn't want people who only like him for money because in his manifesto he repeatedly stresses that if he won the lottery people would flock to him, and he sees that as a good outcome.
Money would not have given him dating experience nor solved his virginity. Reading his memoirs clues you in to the fact his need wasn't peer acceptance nor just sexual frustration.
Money would’ve solved all of his issues, in the memoir he wrote pages about how he would spend thousands on lottery tickets and crash out when he didn’t win
Well...no. His father had to get loans frequently from friends and it was stipulated in multiple letters between the two that the family really didn't have the luxury of frivolous spending (as this is what got his father into financial trouble in the first place). For example, his father was unable to send him money for several months and was barely able to take care of the monthly payment for Elliot's car.
His family was basically keeping up the Jones and larping as having a lot more money than they actually had. Elliot himself thus couldn't really be the guy that could use wealth to get women to tolerate him. Sure, he had the car. But every guy had that, and especially in the area/socioeconomic level he was in.
Looking into it, it seems that is true, but at the very least looking wealthy would have been enough to buy him at least some short term attention if he acted less crazy.
incel wouldn't even be the right word. If he had actually tried he would've gotten some for sure. Hell, he'd probably have a good chance just going to clubs and doing nothing more than going up to random chicks and asking "hey wanna fuck"
In 2014, a dude like him could have gotten on a dating app and gotten laid in a week. Not with a supermodel, not even with a girl looksmatched to him, but definitely a 4/10 with a good personality. It would have been so fucking easy.
Yeah that's what always confused the hell outta me. Like dude is legit decent looking... and also rich IIRC... just a little artistic. He could've been pulling since 9th grade if he had been chill.
My first take when seeing his little video was that he was a very angry, closeted homosexual tbh.
He was definitely incredibly mentally ill. It was so bizarre watching him, in the rich parts of California, drive to a beach, and then getting irrationally upset seeing couples walking… on the beach. Like bro that’s gotta be the most couple oriented spot for walking. What did he expect? Yet he talked like they were doing it for him, like it was all to rub it into his face.
Sad the guy never got help. Even more sad he hurt people because of it.
I don't claim to understand him but you can be straight and unable to try anything with women, I was an incel for years because I was (and still am to an extent) a social t@rd. I did manage to have a girlfriend in the end though.
And the fact that 4chan dispose him is crazy to me but that’s what happen when you circle jerk with other constantly online men who never interact with women
I was raised on the East Coast and moved to California as a young adult. It was a complete culture shock for me. On the East Coast literally all you have to do to get a new decent looking woman in bed just about every week or two is not look like a fat piece of shit and talk to them. I even got plenty of play from downright hot chicks just by dressing not in rags and talking to them. I racked up a triple digit body count before I migrated west and I was the dude in my friend group that struggled the most to pull women!
West Coast? Whole different story. Suddenly the middle tier women I’d get with as a last resort are acting like even holding a conversation with me is some kind of gift. I managed to get some play, but not nearly what I pulled back home. And I was even better looking (more fit) and held some social status in my subculture.
I live rurally now and everybody is shocked at how good looking my ole lady is (she’s from the American South and not a stuck up cunt like these local chicks). I perpetually see fit, handsome and wealthy young men parading their overweight bitchy looking women around town like some kind of prized fucking pig.
Definitely sounds like this Rogers dudes struggles are largely on him, but it’s rough dating in the west. The more rurally you live, the worse it is. I work with a lot of young dudes fresh out of high school and they’re maybe pulling the number of women I’d know in a month in a year. Poor bastards.
But maybe it’s not temporal and not regional. Maybe I just happened to migrate west as the nations pussies slammed shut.
He was an entiitled, spoiled brat that cried whenever things didn't go perfect for him. Girls did like him before he rejected all of them because the hot blondes with big tits didn't just throw themselves at him.
That he became the incel king is as pathetic as he was.
He said in his book as a kid he saw girls going up to guys to flirt with them, and somehow, in the decade leading up to him going postal, he never at any point thought "hmm maybe i should try talking to girls first"
Elliot was also bullied severely in middle school and didn't have the typical high school experience. He wasn't homeschooled but went to some academy where he had very limited social interaction. He literally had no friends and didn't know the basics of social etiquette, which heavily contributed to his madness. His autism was also very poorly dealt with on his parents' part.
You are such a coper it is insane. Calling eliot anything other than a sub 5 he was is pure cope. Half asian (-3 smv) 5'7 he lied about his height but he was a manlet. If you try to say his face is good looking you are clueless tbh. You are exactly the problem talking about being given every advantage. Every advantage is austin wayne or shaun o pry not sub5 eliot He got poorly raised by his father that was a total bluepilled normie and a passport bro. No socialisation with anyone due to being ugly and short made him neurodivergent. He could either become an oofy doofy or monkmax. He chose the 3rd option. What are you doing on this sub coping like a normie? Go back to destiny's chat
Seriously? A decade ago you already had the porn industry up and running at full speed. You had cams already and patreon was created in 2013. OF is just digitalized prostitution.
It’s really strange how the push to ban internet prostitution is basically nonexistent, even now when there’s an increasing push to limit pornography in some states.
when did 4chan turn entirely incel? It used to rightously laugh at those sad self-loathing weaklings, especially /fit. Now every second post is incel-whining or "gurlcooties bad!"
I am currently watching the internet archive videos. 66 vids, maybe he talks about his life more there but dbdr is the goat of rambling about life. Rehab is the intelectual of the blackpill he dabbles in stats and studies more.
dbdr seemed to create a lot of trouble for himself, like in general he just seemed like an asshole. But he is a pretty great story teller I must admit.
Rehab strikes me as a guy who did everything he was told and still ended up as a miserable adult, I think thats why I want to know about him
I disagree with both of them on a lot of things but I can’t stop watching. Their too interesting
Dbdr is just a comedian and he is just honest and does not sugar coat shit, but i dont know if he is or is not an asshole. Seems like a good guy just got doxxed but when i started my bp journey he was doxxed already so idk maybe you are right. Rehab is the bp wikipedia. If you wanna share what do you disagree on with them it would be interesting to read.
I think Rehab is pretty insightful about how looks communicate information to other people about you. I remember he brought up some data that suggested generally most people subconsciously label bald men as “unapproachable” and less attractive and I thought that was pretty interesting. Not something I had ever thought about.
But I do think telling his viewers (who he admits are much younger than him, like late teens) their limitations is kind of a self fulfilling prophecy.
I just don’t think a 19 year old kid earns anything from a dude on the internet telling him he will never achieve authentic love because he is ugly. Not everyone is like him. Lots of these kids are still growing, they can’t write themselves off too early
True, selling yourself short too soon is a big problem. But that is less of rehabs problem but more of his audience. He multiple time said to first looksmax and then at least try to achieve something before giving up. The data looks grim and he just presents it. Many people today think they are the main character so the reality check of getting their limitations laid out may be beneficial. I am a pretty harsh genetic determinist (fortunately i got semi good stats). Rehab is a genuine guy he is pretty objective i believe. He is a real one
For the very reason that they make their money off of men paying for Gold/Platinum/boosts, etc, and so the last thing they want to do is provide data clearly showing that it makes no difference whatsoever, and that the vast majority of female attention is concentrated on the exact same top 10-20% of guys, very few of whom pay for any extras on the app.
They actually did a study and paying and sending super likes actually results in LESS matches. Normally it’s around 2% but with super likes it something like 1.67%
I know a few guys from my friend group (just 2 for sure though) that are virgins. No one gives them shit for it, and I don't see them around a ton anymore as we're older and they don't come out as often as the others.
But I think it would shock women how many guys are virgins or essentially virgins all the way into their late 20s and beyond. One of them even has a personality that isn't off putting, girls generally liked being around and talked with hin. But he is very short and large. And self conscious as hell about all of that.
He doesn't give off hateful incel vibes and never has.
I remember being in a thread and there were women in it describing sex as a "basic human right", while simultaneously bashing incels. And I genuinely think they don't understand how little sex a decent percentage of men ever have. They're often just the men that fade out of sight more and more as you get older, and resign themselves to giving up on social stuff or ever getting a partner.
I'm that kinda dude, except not large(22 bmi). I am short, 175cm. I was beaten to fuck by my mother and sister, the first kiss I got was just some girl trying to fuck with me. More reasons than most to hate women, except no energy left. Its slight resentment
If there was a pill to take that would reduce testosterones hold on us, I'd be first in line
Well regardless of the fact that I'm married with kids, I can say the same to you, cope and seethe about Elliot and all of the future Elliots. Have fun.
Depends on your area. Through friendship or social media I can get a handle on about 90% of my secondary (high) school year group. From that - about 80 - a couple are dead, couple gay, and I'd say the rest is half and half as to incels or married/have kids.
I guess by 'incels' I mean struggling to find a partner, not necessarily never having had one which could also be what a lot of people are doing.
i can't remember if it was him but I thought I remembered something from around this period, tell me if I'm crazy- I don't think it was elliot roger or maybe it was, my memory is so hazy.
there was a kid who went on a spree like this and, in the aftermath, there was an existing narrative of essentially, "oh he's just singularly delusional and egomaniacal, filling his head with (proto-incel) ideology, there's nothing to blame here but himself and toxic masculinity. We must ban guns and be suspicious of boys and bla bla bla." However as part of the media circuit then they went to asking his schoolmates what they knew/thought about him before it happened and they more or less revealed they just bullied him, severely muddling the existing narrative.
Then just like the 'stop asian hate' campaign quietly subsided once the source of most of the hate became evident so too did the media try to get off this topic amidst the distortion of the desired narrative. Killing is unquestionably wrong of course but the notion that the tragedy could be, at least in part, attributable to the misdemeanor of others and the larger system that engendered bullying was a far cry from the black and white good v evil story at play.
Just remember this clip of some bald chick saying they bullied him but I could be wrong
anyways I will never stop being amused at the cognitive dissonance of needing to force kids into rigid educational environments that create extremely competitive and cliquey power groups that predictably and unavoidably create swathes of rejects via systemic humiliation while also feigning surprise when those same rejects lash out. Ya tinder hasn't helped things with giving high impulsivity females more sexual access than they can properly handle but I promise it's school and its untouchability as an institution that is much more arterial to the disfunction between young men and women today.
Incels only think 60% of men are incels because they only talk to other incels... at home, online, by themselves, not trying to do anything productive with their lives just like Elliot Rodgers.
The guy was a loser pity party. The guy never went out, never talked to people and was socially isolated, yet complained about women none stop. He has every advantage yet he chose to not take it.
Bro was and remains a cringe pos, uncle ted could have probably told you that the gender divide would happen, but it was too obvious and inconsequential in relation to the real degradation in quality of life in industrialized society.
Anyone can get pussy , it's just the quality of pussy gets worse day by day. Fucking cyraxx and cwc got poon and maybe larson will get head from some guard on duty
The irony of all of this is he is decently attractive and came from a wealthy family and drove a BMW.
If he was any degree of well adjusted and could carry on any type of conversation and not be mentally ill and understand with women you just have to act normal and then ask them questions and sit back and let them talk…. Like “so what do you think of ___?” “No way” “oh wow” “I agree!” “That’s crazy I never thought of that”……
Like if he did the BARE minimum
He would’ve gotten laid like crazy
But he was mentally ill
And the second you start being HOSTILE toward women they can smell that shit on you
Everyone says this, bare minimum, talk to women, carry on a conversation. This just isn't true at all anymore. They're in packs all glued to their phones because thats where their idol is
I read about this guy for the first time today. What a pathetic winey loser, just the worst. Can’t believe there are this many people sucking on his decomposing balls
Incel redditards argue in circles, saying they want freedom from the rat race of societal expectations and then cry when people who have those expectations don't want to slut themselves out for the based and redpilled 4chinner who does nothing but complain that women are the reason they jerk off to Japanese animated children
From 7% to 32% in 18 years while before it remained mostly steady. Its just all the men's fault isn't it. OP overexaggerated but this stat is still brutal and the number will hit the 60% in 20-25 years for sure. 32% of the men are not all basement dwellers, just poor sub5s
What views were even discussed in the post besides eliot predicting the future. You just wanted to call someone a basement dweller from what i can tell. Cringe generalisation and misrepresentation
Women wont marry imigrants anyway. They will be liberated just like the western ones. I am not gonna talk about immigrants too much cause i already got a 3 day ban for too much truth but there will be no economic collapse. Nothing ever happens, it really does not.
That's mostly what's going on. A bunch of women just taking turns fucking the same guy, getting ghosted, and listening to Taylor Swift singing about it that exact experience again and again.
"60%"
Incel cope
You're not part of the majority
Losers with no friends and no pussy
<convince each other to self prune
World doesn't know you exist, you rage quit, 👍cool story bro
He was just a delusional loser. Dude is clearly conventionally attractive, he just had negative charisma stat and blamed the whole world rather than introspect a single iota.
Unironically the personality>looks fa🐐s have a point. Many guys who struggle don't even necessarily have a "bad" personally, (idk if this guy did) just a boring one.
For me the problem is I legitimately cannot think of what to say to get a conversation going. There have been times when I've been in a car with one of my male friends and not spoken for 30+ minutes because despite trying I couldn't come up with anything to say. If all I had to do was work up the balls to approach dating would be easy.
Fair enough man. I am pretty decent with conversation generally so that's probably a helper ya know.
I don't mean to sound like a dick but does a couple of drinks losen you up a bit for chats?
Drinks might help if my problem was confidence, but they don't make it any easier to come up with conversation. There have been times when I've had good long conversations with friends, but they've been under specific circumstances and it's not something I can just make happen on demand. Small talk is just something I cannot really do.
I'm no better on dating apps either. I've simply abandoned multiple conversations a few texts in including one who messaged me first just because I couldn't think of anything to say. Of course the solution is to overdose on social situations until eventually that elusive good convo with a chick ends up happening, but that's challenging when my business takes up so much of my time and I don't have any particular interest in socializing other than to get a girl.
You doing pretty damn well In this conversation I must say.
I trick I kinda went by with social awkwardness is that peoples favourite subject is themselves.
So I revert to questions like what have YOU been up to lately. You got plans? How's your work? Your boss cool?
Etc.
Also the feel felt feeling thing helps to keep a subject rolling once started.
Example, you: is your boss cool?
Them: Yes! He is.
You: cool, bet that feels good to work for someone cool, I have always felt like that's important!
I wonder how other people are feeling about their bosses.
Obviously you don't need to do all three but you see what I mean.
Damn, your unverifiable, anecdotal evidence has convinced me. I'll disregard the mountain of statistical evidence showing that most young men are virgins who get no attention from women.
Inb4 "muh incel"
Boring, get a new response. One doesn't need to be having constant sex to read numbers.
Elliot Roger is nothing more than a huge fucking loser and his manifesto would be top-tier satire if he didn't truly believe everything. He's living proof that his own ideology is false and that even a Chad will fumble if he's a big enough edgelord.
It's funny because the point of ending the patriarchy is to eliminate the culture of a man providing (which leads to the culture of an idealized man and vice versa woman), replacing it with a culture where everyone is equal.
Brother just needed to get over it and get a hobby. The chad idea isn’t what you think. Usually man children with money and trust me I got money I know.
Yeah. I remember the pic of a newspaper with the headline "virgin killer was on bodybuilding pills and was secretly gay all along" or something like that.
Sometimes u gotta appreciate how 1d old 4chan posts have that 10yo posts' look to them. I legit thought this is from 2018 or sth until i looked at the dates. Well done op.
The funniest part is that he referred to himself unironically as a "supreme gentleman". Dude went out a loser and cuck. All he had to do was hit the gym, practice socializing and get over himself. Instead he spent his spare time seething in his car to no one.
90% of Incels are just mentally ill fucks who would lead a much better life if they reached out to any support group, touched grass, and practiced basic fucking hygiene.
lewd-boy-o@reddit
Didn't he also go on about not being wanted by women then after he became a criminal every woman squealed about how hot he was?
Or am I just misremembering things?
Kinglygolfin@reddit
You’re right, but it’s a well known phenomenon.
InfiniteRaccoons@reddit
Lol no he's not, he still gives women the ick. Only beta males on 4chan squeal for him.
reddit_has_fallenoff@reddit
The hottest woman i know would talk about how she would fuck Ted Bundy. This isnt any different
fiftyfourseventeen@reddit
I know a girl who has a poster of him in her room. She's definitely not bad looking either. There's whole communities of girls who simp for him
infiniteyeet@reddit
No there's not
fiftyfourseventeen@reddit
Thank you for your input, however it's objectively true and I've seen it firsthand. I suspect many of them do it to be edgy and get attention, or because they feel an attraction to danger. He's somebody that they aren't supposed to like because he's #1 a murderer and #2 murdered women specifically, but I think it's the taboo that they enjoy.
He was also not bad looking and decently rich, along with being famous. Combine that with being exposed to millions of people and it's only natural he would get fans
veritasism420@reddit
How old was your buddy when he transitioned?
Kinglygolfin@reddit
Ur bald
InfiniteRaccoons@reddit
Nope, but if I ever stop taking Rogaine I will be
-h-hhh@reddit
ya know, I’ve always been curious but never had the problem, does it really work?
Special_Sun_4420@reddit
Very rarely. Also, if you've been bald for a few years, it's not going to do shit. Only option is transplant.
NCR_High-Roller@reddit
Not him, but I can tell you it only works for a certain percentage of guys. I take it and it doesn't really have an effect on me. You usually have to pair it with finasteride as well because that stops your hair from actively falling out. Rogaine will only regrow hair but won't stop your hairline from receding, sometimes faster than it grows back.
Tripleberst@reddit
I think maybe the other guy is confusing Elliott with the Boston bomber who women did actually swoon for
almostasenpai@reddit
“I can fix him”
Phazon2000@reddit
100 women his age knowing him vs millions . At least a handful are going to get wet and share that online.
nhtj@reddit
Jeremy Meeks
encrustingXacro@reddit
I don't remember women gushing over him. But then again, I was eight at the time, so who's to say.
davemc617@reddit
It wasn't just woman; basically after it all happened the general reaction was: "What a loser - the dude isn't even ugly. He just needed to be normal and he would have done fine in life"
infiniteyeet@reddit
Being normal isn't a choice though
encrustingXacro@reddit
Yeah, I remember that being the general reaction, but that's a far ways away from "women were gushing over him"
davemc617@reddit
Yup, agreed.
I was just providing additional context from what I remember at the time.
Papa-pumpking@reddit
People are weird. I remember when that Nazi girl became a school shooter and 4chan was head over heels for her.
"I can fix him" is not only a woman thing though it seems there are more women going for it.
Winter_Low4661@reddit
Bro, no one on 4chan wants to "fix" a nazi girl.
Embarrassed-Run-6291@reddit
What's there to fix? Lol. Sounds like their ideal woman.
Papa-pumpking@reddit
Fix in less than stop her being racist as that's a plus and more keep her safe at home and have their white babies.
bunker_man@reddit
Which one.
Papa-pumpking@reddit
The one that was in Wisconsin named Natalie Rupnow.
bunker_man@reddit
Oh, okay. I was about to say I knew her, but I was thinking of a different one.
Papa-pumpking@reddit
Honestly saying that you personally knew a school/mass shooter is the most American thing I've heard all week.
bunker_man@reddit
Well she got stopped before she shot anyone, so it barely counts. Life in prison though.
Embarrassed-Run-6291@reddit
I'm sure some did, being out in front of millions of people will do that.
Rydagod1@reddit
He’s incredibly pathetic. He’s not even unattractive and probably could have got a gf if he actually tried instead of using the strategy of being near women and hoping one would approach him to flirt. He never once tried to ask a woman out.
platysoup@reddit
Beyond pathetic lmao. He literally had the looks and money to easily be those Chads he bitched so much about with zero effort whatsoever.
Nope, somehow he finds a way to fuck that up.
infiniteyeet@reddit
He looks 14
Badeer21@reddit
I read his manifesto all the way through, and funnily enough, he doesn't ever mention actually attempting to find someone in a normal way. His main strategy was to put on shades and wait around in parks 'till a gal pal appeared and walked up to him.
DM_ME_KAIJUS@reddit
I wonder what inspired this thought...?
-h-hhh@reddit
even CWC pulls more than this guy~
Winter_Low4661@reddit
He was a creep. One word out of him would've given women the ick. They can smell the ineptitude a mile away. He should've just been satisfied just to be some chick's gay straight male friend and gone back to gooning in his room alone.
Embarrassed-Run-6291@reddit
What no ADA and talk therapy does to a guy.
ExperienceLow6810@reddit
Not to mention this fucker had EVERY opportunity/privilege he could have used to get laid with the most minimal effort on his part
Pvt_Mozart@reddit
Some people are incapable of not being insufferable selfish dickheads.
infiniteyeet@reddit
You're thinking of Jeremy Meeks
NachoNutritious@reddit
I remember it became a meme for people to submit his pic to streamer girls who do hotness ratings, they're all zoomer girls who have no idea who he is and he'd get rated decently.
Falcon84@reddit
He wasn’t a bad looking dude he just had incredibly warped views on women. He thought if he dressed nice and drove an expensive car they would just flock to him automatically. When that didn’t work he locked himself in a self-fulfilling prophecy until he crashed out.
nullv@reddit
The man-o-sphere wasn't as developed then as it is now. Back then people thought all you needed was an ironed shirt, but now people know you need to pay thousands of dollars for a self-help program that doesn't end.
7wiseman7@reddit
because man-o-sphere is mostly scammers selling their courses to terminally online guys who are desperate af
bunker_man@reddit
The issue is he was mentally ill, and people could probably tell. With his appearance and money, if he just acted normal he would have an easy time.
Tech_Romancer1@reddit
Again...he didn't actually have much money.
Falcon84@reddit
Yeah he just had his parents buy him expensive shit to make up for them being chronically absent.
wordjedi@reddit
reddit moids have milked that one guy to death for A DECADE, trying to convince law enforcement to lock up virgin males before they kill
Maz2742@reddit
Wasn't ER, coward killed himself before he could face the music
Winter_Low4661@reddit
That's correct. You should see how much they love serial killers.
SaladBurner@reddit
Idk why but we discussed him in some college class. Several girls said “I don’t get it. He’s good looking.” Dude could’ve easily gotten laid if he wasn’t a psychopath.
pokemon_fucker_2137@reddit
Remembering things. Eliot was easily sub 5 and no woman cared when he did what he did.
YoNoSoyUnFederale@reddit
Elliot literally never tried. Listening to that manifesto drove me crazy with frustration.
In the extremely limited time he wasn’t just playing WOW completely alone (seriously it was an insane amount of time) he thought that peacocking with expensive clothes and shit would somehow get women to come up to him and ask him out. Like he literally wouldn’t talk to them at all, he would just kind of exist around them and hope they’d hit him up and got mad when they didn’t. Even the biggest Chad has to at least say hi.
Elliot isn’t a lesson in how screwed men are but to show that you can be given every advantage in the entire world (as he was) and you can still botch it because YOU WONT FUCKING TRY.
extreme_cuddling@reddit
Gaming and Internet addiction is stealing the youth out of young men
MeltBanana@reddit
I gamed non-stop and was on the internet constantly during my teens and twenties, and I still had plenty of success with women. All you gotta do is log off WoW for a little bit to go hangout with a girl and bang. Hell, most nights after I got home at 3am after partying or sex I'd hop back on WoW for a few hours.
Now if you're not willing to stop gaming for one night, even to go get laid, then that's a serious problem.
KortFulBlatte@reddit
Yeah, this doesn't work if you're physically unattractive.
BDEpainolympics@reddit
60% of physical attraction is stuff within your control tho- the real reason people love looksmaxing is because it works. most people are boring and have no personality and still fuck and women fuck big fat ugly guys all the time even not rich ones. either helps forsure but you can control and elliot was never ever going to confront his own short comings
KortFulBlatte@reddit
For women, yes. For men, no. For men it's height, face and race. Stuff that can't be changed.
It doesn't unless your problem is being fat. Otherwise surgery is the only option to get actual results that mean anything.
Yeah, no. That's rare and you know it.
BDEpainolympics@reddit
it's not the guys i know with the best game are not good looking or particularly wealthy but they are fun and interesting
infiniteyeet@reddit
No it's not
extreme_cuddling@reddit
Yes, but in your teens and 20s you're already in highly social environments where you have constant interaction with peers. Surely this kept your gaming habit from being an addiction versus a hobby.
Elliot on the other hand was mostly socially isolated. His friends from before were just people he played video games with and never managed to make those social connections outside of gaming.
trainderail88@reddit
Yeah, same here. I've been married 13 years now and not only is she my best friend, she even started gaming with me a bit.
TeamAquaGrunt@reddit
porn addiction too. too many dudes are cranking it 2-3 times a day and never actually even pursue a real woman.
mekosaurus_gaming@reddit
I used to crank 2-3 times a day and still have dozens of sexual partners and several gf's.
The problem isn't porn or masturbation, thats just another manifestation of the actual issue of being perpetually online and having no human interactions. Scrolling reddit is as detrimental to you as watching porn.
extreme_cuddling@reddit
There's always exceptions, but jacking off kills my social drive. I noticed if I stop gooning for a good month or two my dating and social life pick up.
But I also have no family, and none of my friends really talk to me anymore, so it's really rough starting from scratch every time. I don't have any friends I can just call up and go somewhere with.
And it's different comparing someone who has no friends or social life, to someone who's already in social environments like a college, school, or a socially active workspace.
Doctah_Fauci@reddit
Is it the gooning or just all the other things that line up with you gooning more e.g. being alone, internet, reddit, perpetually online as the dude above you says.
extreme_cuddling@reddit
Its directly related to the gooning. Even in prison when I was constantly around people and had no internet, I noticed a direct effect masturbation had on my social drive, mental state, and energy level.
infiniteyeet@reddit
Cranking it gives you all the potential benefit a woman can offer without having to deal with a woman.
Top_Breath814@reddit
The porn industry is ridiculously immoral, I dont get why that stuff isn't restricted by the government.
_grenadinerose@reddit
Yknow, this is deeply true and underrated. I dated a guy who spent his whole day on the damn computer. His life revolved around his gaming. Schedule was 6 months on and 6 months off, so gaming all day for 6 months and then working all day for 6 months. Wouldn’t plan a date with me but would make a detailed schedule for the week to game with his friends - would literally end our plans and schedule his entire week around gaming.
He was 30. I was his first girlfriend. He was in great shape and a decent looking guy. But he didn’t ever try. Expected me to plan dates. Execute them, and then pay for them or always go 50/50. We had one date he planned, our first one. That was it.
And if we did manage to spend time together, I couldn’t even go to the bathroom alone. He would talk to me through the door or just outright want to be in there with me. 3 months into it.
Didn’t cook. Didn’t clean. Nothing. Just video games.
And then complained that women were whores, top 10% of men, all women are shallow and control the sexual marketplace.
Just fucking sad.
TDWHOLESALING@reddit
This is actually really interesting. Sounds like the guy you dated and Elliot Rodger probably had the same mentality
gamingmosely@reddit
its called cope
-h-hhh@reddit
BAM
Winter_Low4661@reddit
So in other words he was just copying what women do to get men.
MeltBanana@reddit
Women approach and pursue men often. Most of my relationships were first initiated by the woman first, not me. The whole notion that "women expect men to be the initiator" might be true for dumb gold-digging whores, but it's not true for most women.
If you've never had a single woman approach you or show romantic interest in you, then you're the problem.
Winter_Low4661@reddit
Women usually "show" romantic interest the same exact way they show platonic interest. It's up to the man to decide how he wants to interpret that. And then he's either an exciting new prospect or a creep who can't take a hint.
I've been around plenty of women talking about how creeped out or annoyed they are about some guy who thought they were interested in him just because they were talking to him.
It's quite the opposite for "gold digging whores," as you put it. Those are the most enthusiastic, because the skilled ones know what to look for. An old friend of mine literally had some woman jump on him because of his fancy shirt and watch. That doesn't really happen to poor people.
MeltBanana@reddit
I had a girl literally shove me into a bedroom at a party and lock the door behind her. At the time I was a poor, grungy, long haired, jobless, 130lbs, 5'8" bum who did nothing but play the drums for some local bands and play WoW.
No wrist watch, no fancy clothes, just reasonable looks and some personality. That's literally all it takes.
ThisConsideration835@reddit
Yeah Uhuh I’m sure this definitely happened bruv
Winter_Low4661@reddit
Yeah, chicks like banging musicians. That's why dudes started making bands in the first place.
MeltBanana@reddit
Well then, sounds like there's an easy fix for incels. Start practicing guitar.
Winter_Low4661@reddit
Too many guys already doing that. They have to at least actually perform in a band, look the part, and talk the part.
heckmeck_mz@reddit
I mean that's not exactly the average guy's experience. If you're not extraordinarily good looking, women will expect you to make the first move
ExcitableSarcasm@reddit
Your anecdotal experience is not the average.
I've had plenty of relationships, but I've always been the one to initiate. All that means is that the women I attract are passive (like most men) while the women you attract are active.
Conflictingview@reddit
Or they have and you're shit at noticing the cues
Winter_Low4661@reddit
False.
YoNoSoyUnFederale@reddit
Legitimately yeah that was his problem. If he were a similarly mentally ill woman and proportionally attractive as he was as a man he would have succeeded in having a relationship and having sex
philmarcracken@reddit
So if i'm reading this right, I uninstall wow and then expose myself to women
i_dont_understann@reddit
Please report your results before I go and follow your lead
YoNoSoyUnFederale@reddit
Start exposing them to your face and just keep going south as you get more and more comfortable
bunker_man@reddit
Also, his family was wealthy. If he wasn't completely berg, and could actually talk to people, someone would have at least tolerated him for the cash.
infiniteyeet@reddit
How would that have helped him in any way?
bunker_man@reddit
He has zero dating experience and was desperate to mot be a virgin. This would solve both issues.
infiniteyeet@reddit
Paying for hookers isn't dating experience, nor would it count towards not being a virgin anymore.
bunker_man@reddit
Someone dating you for awhile and then leaving when they realize you are crazy, and not as rich as you pretended isn't the same as paying for a hooker.
infiniteyeet@reddit
Someone fucking you only for your money is someone fucking you only for your money
bunker_man@reddit
He openly wants to fuck them only for their body, so what's the difference? I read his manifesto, he really didn't seem to comprehend relationships. He was just mad Chads were having more sex. Everything has a first step.
infiniteyeet@reddit
What's the difference between wanting to fuck someone because you're attracted to them and wanting to fuck them to get access to their money? That's your question?
Tech_Romancer1@reddit
He was narcissistic. So it wasn't just sexual frustration. Paying for it wasn't an 'option' because he wanted women to desire him legitimately.
bunker_man@reddit
Sure but my point Wasn't that this would be the end goal but that it would be a stopping stone. Also, it's not even true that he thinks he wouldn't want people who only like him for money because in his manifesto he repeatedly stresses that if he won the lottery people would flock to him, and he sees that as a good outcome.
Tech_Romancer1@reddit
Money would not have given him dating experience nor solved his virginity. Reading his memoirs clues you in to the fact his need wasn't peer acceptance nor just sexual frustration.
TDWHOLESALING@reddit
Money would’ve solved all of his issues, in the memoir he wrote pages about how he would spend thousands on lottery tickets and crash out when he didn’t win
Tech_Romancer1@reddit
That's a non-sequitur. 'Spent thousands on lottery tickets' =/= 'money will solve my psychological problems'.
Tech_Romancer1@reddit
Well...no. His father had to get loans frequently from friends and it was stipulated in multiple letters between the two that the family really didn't have the luxury of frivolous spending (as this is what got his father into financial trouble in the first place). For example, his father was unable to send him money for several months and was barely able to take care of the monthly payment for Elliot's car.
His family was basically keeping up the Jones and larping as having a lot more money than they actually had. Elliot himself thus couldn't really be the guy that could use wealth to get women to tolerate him. Sure, he had the car. But every guy had that, and especially in the area/socioeconomic level he was in.
bunker_man@reddit
Looking into it, it seems that is true, but at the very least looking wealthy would have been enough to buy him at least some short term attention if he acted less crazy.
Tech_Romancer1@reddit
Maybe if he mingled with people below that economic strata. But even then, he would basically just end up being used. So, morton's fork.
real_picklejuice@reddit
I thought you were shit riffing off of Occam’s Razor but damn I learned something new today thanks small penis
Cuck_Boy@reddit
Np
Mission-Profession19@reddit
Literally this, the guy wasn't just a incel, he was mentally ill
edbods@reddit
incel wouldn't even be the right word. If he had actually tried he would've gotten some for sure. Hell, he'd probably have a good chance just going to clubs and doing nothing more than going up to random chicks and asking "hey wanna fuck"
EquivalentSnap@reddit
So could a lot of incels if they went outside and weren’t constantly online relying on tinder
tehconqueror@reddit
so much of incel thought process can be short-circuited by the simple acknowledgement that women do be horny.
like, this attitude that sex is something for a man to win and a woman to grant as opposed to something both sides want is so damaging
mekosaurus_gaming@reddit
As my father told me once: "women like fucking as much as we guys do".
They might be more selective, on average, than us but they defo have sexual needs and will settle with less than Chad in a time of need.
Most girls i know have this "why did i fuck that guy, so cringe" skeleton in their closet.
infiniteyeet@reddit
That isn't a positive point for incels
mekosaurus_gaming@reddit
Nothing is positive for incels. Everything women do makes incels más.
infiniteyeet@reddit
How is having a woman only sleep with you out of desperation and then regreting it later on a good thing?
mekosaurus_gaming@reddit
Sorry your question is completely retarded.
infiniteyeet@reddit
They don't be horny for the botton 50% of guys though.
FrankyPropaganda@reddit
In 2014, a dude like him could have gotten on a dating app and gotten laid in a week. Not with a supermodel, not even with a girl looksmatched to him, but definitely a 4/10 with a good personality. It would have been so fucking easy.
supershinythings@reddit
He saw attractive women as a status symbol. They aren’t people to him - they’re validation.
Dating a 4/10 would NOT be ego-validating to him, which tells you his real problem isn’t really about getting laid.
TrueTrueBlackPilld@reddit
Yeah that's what always confused the hell outta me. Like dude is legit decent looking... and also rich IIRC... just a little artistic. He could've been pulling since 9th grade if he had been chill.
My first take when seeing his little video was that he was a very angry, closeted homosexual tbh.
infiniteyeet@reddit
He looks like a 14 year old
Pope_Aesthetic@reddit
He was definitely incredibly mentally ill. It was so bizarre watching him, in the rich parts of California, drive to a beach, and then getting irrationally upset seeing couples walking… on the beach. Like bro that’s gotta be the most couple oriented spot for walking. What did he expect? Yet he talked like they were doing it for him, like it was all to rub it into his face.
Sad the guy never got help. Even more sad he hurt people because of it.
Top_Breath814@reddit
Bro should've just became religious 🤣, than he'd have an excuse to be celibate.
gravitydood@reddit
I don't claim to understand him but you can be straight and unable to try anything with women, I was an incel for years because I was (and still am to an extent) a social t@rd. I did manage to have a girlfriend in the end though.
SpiritBamb@reddit
bro I read that stupid thing, he was off the charts
Top_Breath814@reddit
Idk dude was probably would've just creeped them out. What I dont get is couldn't he have just gotten a prostitute. Guy was legit nuts.
BornWithSideburns@reddit
He was incapable of trying because this dude was a textbook narcissist.
edbods@reddit
are you talking about the mental disorder, or just his personality? because the latter is definitely not involuntary
BornWithSideburns@reddit
The mental disorder. Watch his videos, read his manifesto and youll see how insanely narcissistic he was
blaze92x45@reddit
Yeah listening to munkey Jones talk about him it was pretty clear Elliot was a massive narcisiss who thought he was entitled to a blonde super model.
If he changed his attitude and had more realistic standards he might have done better.
Diligent-Phrase436@reddit
Pls don't call him trans
EquivalentSnap@reddit
And the fact that 4chan dispose him is crazy to me but that’s what happen when you circle jerk with other constantly online men who never interact with women
Rude_Hamster123@reddit
I was raised on the East Coast and moved to California as a young adult. It was a complete culture shock for me. On the East Coast literally all you have to do to get a new decent looking woman in bed just about every week or two is not look like a fat piece of shit and talk to them. I even got plenty of play from downright hot chicks just by dressing not in rags and talking to them. I racked up a triple digit body count before I migrated west and I was the dude in my friend group that struggled the most to pull women!
West Coast? Whole different story. Suddenly the middle tier women I’d get with as a last resort are acting like even holding a conversation with me is some kind of gift. I managed to get some play, but not nearly what I pulled back home. And I was even better looking (more fit) and held some social status in my subculture.
I live rurally now and everybody is shocked at how good looking my ole lady is (she’s from the American South and not a stuck up cunt like these local chicks). I perpetually see fit, handsome and wealthy young men parading their overweight bitchy looking women around town like some kind of prized fucking pig.
Definitely sounds like this Rogers dudes struggles are largely on him, but it’s rough dating in the west. The more rurally you live, the worse it is. I work with a lot of young dudes fresh out of high school and they’re maybe pulling the number of women I’d know in a month in a year. Poor bastards.
But maybe it’s not temporal and not regional. Maybe I just happened to migrate west as the nations pussies slammed shut.
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0Kiryu@reddit
Bay Area?
Rude_Hamster123@reddit
I was in the bay and ended up in the hills up north.
-salt-@reddit
Jesus you sound lame
ElectricSnowBunny@reddit
He was an entiitled, spoiled brat that cried whenever things didn't go perfect for him. Girls did like him before he rejected all of them because the hot blondes with big tits didn't just throw themselves at him.
That he became the incel king is as pathetic as he was.
Hedonistbro@reddit
But bro, 60% of men in 2025 are now definitely incels so he was actually not a pathetic loser, he was a prophet.
ianlasco@reddit
Skill issue.
ChristInASombrero@reddit
He said in his book as a kid he saw girls going up to guys to flirt with them, and somehow, in the decade leading up to him going postal, he never at any point thought "hmm maybe i should try talking to girls first"
Supreme gentleman, more like supreme autismo
Angry_Hermit@reddit
Elliot was also bullied severely in middle school and didn't have the typical high school experience. He wasn't homeschooled but went to some academy where he had very limited social interaction. He literally had no friends and didn't know the basics of social etiquette, which heavily contributed to his madness. His autism was also very poorly dealt with on his parents' part.
P41N90D@reddit
Desire inspires action, nurture all desires.
moregonger@reddit
kinda works for women though
trainderail88@reddit
It's 2025, you can switch teams as long as you don't plan on joining the military.
moregonger@reddit
jokes on you, military service is mandatory in my country
IDrinkSulfuricAcid@reddit
I was agreeing with you until
the_orange_president@reddit
100% based
pokemon_fucker_2137@reddit
You are such a coper it is insane. Calling eliot anything other than a sub 5 he was is pure cope. Half asian (-3 smv) 5'7 he lied about his height but he was a manlet. If you try to say his face is good looking you are clueless tbh. You are exactly the problem talking about being given every advantage. Every advantage is austin wayne or shaun o pry not sub5 eliot He got poorly raised by his father that was a total bluepilled normie and a passport bro. No socialisation with anyone due to being ugly and short made him neurodivergent. He could either become an oofy doofy or monkmax. He chose the 3rd option. What are you doing on this sub coping like a normie? Go back to destiny's chat
thomlover911@reddit
worse*
pokemon_fucker_2137@reddit
He was right but it is like predicting 8 o clock at 7:30 yk. I can tell you it will only get worst but that does not make me a prophet all of a sudden
IrregularrAF@reddit
Pretty sure he never predicted simps and onlyfans.
pokemon_fucker_2137@reddit
Seriously? A decade ago you already had the porn industry up and running at full speed. You had cams already and patreon was created in 2013. OF is just digitalized prostitution.
rabbitewi@reddit
It’s really strange how the push to ban internet prostitution is basically nonexistent, even now when there’s an increasing push to limit pornography in some states.
IrregularrAF@reddit
No one was a simp back then. They all knew what whores were.
Patreon was always used as a crowdfund for actual content creators from art, music, to videos.
Evignity@reddit
when did 4chan turn entirely incel? It used to rightously laugh at those sad self-loathing weaklings, especially /fit. Now every second post is incel-whining or "gurlcooties bad!"
barefootolly@reddit
rehab room mentioned
Comfytendy@reddit
I keep seeing rehab room mentioned. Is he going to become the first major blackpill YouTuber?
Odinskriger@reddit
I believe Wheat waffles got him beat and thinking ape/stardusk.
spicywizrd89@reddit
WHO'S GONNA CARRY THE COPES??!
SadDogOfShiman0@reddit
Oohhh brrrootha you gotta IMPROOOOVE
pokemon_fucker_2137@reddit
You may not see it that way, BUT the evidence see's it that way
Isneezepepsi@reddit
I wish Rehab talked about his personal life more, I already know bro had a life that would make Elliots head spin
pokemon_fucker_2137@reddit
I am currently watching the internet archive videos. 66 vids, maybe he talks about his life more there but dbdr is the goat of rambling about life. Rehab is the intelectual of the blackpill he dabbles in stats and studies more.
Isneezepepsi@reddit
dbdr seemed to create a lot of trouble for himself, like in general he just seemed like an asshole. But he is a pretty great story teller I must admit.
Rehab strikes me as a guy who did everything he was told and still ended up as a miserable adult, I think thats why I want to know about him
I disagree with both of them on a lot of things but I can’t stop watching. Their too interesting
pokemon_fucker_2137@reddit
Dbdr is just a comedian and he is just honest and does not sugar coat shit, but i dont know if he is or is not an asshole. Seems like a good guy just got doxxed but when i started my bp journey he was doxxed already so idk maybe you are right. Rehab is the bp wikipedia. If you wanna share what do you disagree on with them it would be interesting to read.
Isneezepepsi@reddit
I think Rehab is pretty insightful about how looks communicate information to other people about you. I remember he brought up some data that suggested generally most people subconsciously label bald men as “unapproachable” and less attractive and I thought that was pretty interesting. Not something I had ever thought about.
But I do think telling his viewers (who he admits are much younger than him, like late teens) their limitations is kind of a self fulfilling prophecy.
I just don’t think a 19 year old kid earns anything from a dude on the internet telling him he will never achieve authentic love because he is ugly. Not everyone is like him. Lots of these kids are still growing, they can’t write themselves off too early
pokemon_fucker_2137@reddit
True, selling yourself short too soon is a big problem. But that is less of rehabs problem but more of his audience. He multiple time said to first looksmax and then at least try to achieve something before giving up. The data looks grim and he just presents it. Many people today think they are the main character so the reality check of getting their limitations laid out may be beneficial. I am a pretty harsh genetic determinist (fortunately i got semi good stats). Rehab is a genuine guy he is pretty objective i believe. He is a real one
thebigcheese900@reddit
Brootal
valkon_gr@reddit
too late, I will woriship you forever
ExtremeCreamTeam@reddit
worse*
wordjedi@reddit
It's like predicting Americans will get fatter 40 years into the Obesity Epidemic nice
ITinnedUrMumLastNigh@reddit
2137🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱⛰️🦅🦅🦅
dimuglI@reddit
Bro looks majestic in this picture. I believe he would've been swimming in pussy if he tried
flex_tape_salesman@reddit
The ultimate loser if we're being real as he was wealthy enough too. I know men with much less going for them on the surface that have done alright.
meechmeechmeecho@reddit
There’s no way 60% of men are incels. That’s insane projection.
home_rolled@reddit
Tinder's own statistics say that approx 80% of women are sleeping with the top 10% of men.
You do the math
TrajanParthicus@reddit
Tinder do not release their statistics, lol.
For the very reason that they make their money off of men paying for Gold/Platinum/boosts, etc, and so the last thing they want to do is provide data clearly showing that it makes no difference whatsoever, and that the vast majority of female attention is concentrated on the exact same top 10-20% of guys, very few of whom pay for any extras on the app.
AugustEpilogue@reddit
They actually did a study and paying and sending super likes actually results in LESS matches. Normally it’s around 2% but with super likes it something like 1.67%
flex_tape_salesman@reddit
That doesn't really surprise me for men sending them atleast. Dudes don't get that many matches and with the carpet bombing especially.
MenBearsPigs@reddit
I know a few guys from my friend group (just 2 for sure though) that are virgins. No one gives them shit for it, and I don't see them around a ton anymore as we're older and they don't come out as often as the others.
But I think it would shock women how many guys are virgins or essentially virgins all the way into their late 20s and beyond. One of them even has a personality that isn't off putting, girls generally liked being around and talked with hin. But he is very short and large. And self conscious as hell about all of that.
He doesn't give off hateful incel vibes and never has.
I remember being in a thread and there were women in it describing sex as a "basic human right", while simultaneously bashing incels. And I genuinely think they don't understand how little sex a decent percentage of men ever have. They're often just the men that fade out of sight more and more as you get older, and resign themselves to giving up on social stuff or ever getting a partner.
It's just an interesting aspect to it.
philmarcracken@reddit
I'm that kinda dude, except not large(22 bmi). I am short, 175cm. I was beaten to fuck by my mother and sister, the first kiss I got was just some girl trying to fuck with me. More reasons than most to hate women, except no energy left. Its slight resentment
If there was a pill to take that would reduce testosterones hold on us, I'd be first in line
killermicrobe@reddit
It's the truth.
FIutterJerk@reddit
Cope and seethe
killermicrobe@reddit
Well regardless of the fact that I'm married with kids, I can say the same to you, cope and seethe about Elliot and all of the future Elliots. Have fun.
Hanonari@reddit
It seems that your kids are gonna be Elliots
killermicrobe@reddit
Cope and seethe
Gary_FucKing@reddit
Blaming it on women only wanting chad is pretty funny, too.
RustyVilla@reddit
Depends on your area. Through friendship or social media I can get a handle on about 90% of my secondary (high) school year group. From that - about 80 - a couple are dead, couple gay, and I'd say the rest is half and half as to incels or married/have kids. I guess by 'incels' I mean struggling to find a partner, not necessarily never having had one which could also be what a lot of people are doing.
Cumsocktornado@reddit
i can't remember if it was him but I thought I remembered something from around this period, tell me if I'm crazy- I don't think it was elliot roger or maybe it was, my memory is so hazy.
there was a kid who went on a spree like this and, in the aftermath, there was an existing narrative of essentially, "oh he's just singularly delusional and egomaniacal, filling his head with (proto-incel) ideology, there's nothing to blame here but himself and toxic masculinity. We must ban guns and be suspicious of boys and bla bla bla." However as part of the media circuit then they went to asking his schoolmates what they knew/thought about him before it happened and they more or less revealed they just bullied him, severely muddling the existing narrative.
Then just like the 'stop asian hate' campaign quietly subsided once the source of most of the hate became evident so too did the media try to get off this topic amidst the distortion of the desired narrative. Killing is unquestionably wrong of course but the notion that the tragedy could be, at least in part, attributable to the misdemeanor of others and the larger system that engendered bullying was a far cry from the black and white good v evil story at play.
Just remember this clip of some bald chick saying they bullied him but I could be wrong
anyways I will never stop being amused at the cognitive dissonance of needing to force kids into rigid educational environments that create extremely competitive and cliquey power groups that predictably and unavoidably create swathes of rejects via systemic humiliation while also feigning surprise when those same rejects lash out. Ya tinder hasn't helped things with giving high impulsivity females more sexual access than they can properly handle but I promise it's school and its untouchability as an institution that is much more arterial to the disfunction between young men and women today.
ya i liked catcher in the rye what about it
BigAzzKrow@reddit
Incels only think 60% of men are incels because they only talk to other incels... at home, online, by themselves, not trying to do anything productive with their lives just like Elliot Rodgers.
EquivalentSnap@reddit
The guy was a loser pity party. The guy never went out, never talked to people and was socially isolated, yet complained about women none stop. He has every advantage yet he chose to not take it.
Okami_no_Lobo@reddit
Bro was and remains a cringe pos, uncle ted could have probably told you that the gender divide would happen, but it was too obvious and inconsequential in relation to the real degradation in quality of life in industrialized society.
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woman_tickler049@reddit
Anyone can get pussy , it's just the quality of pussy gets worse day by day. Fucking cyraxx and cwc got poon and maybe larson will get head from some guard on duty
Dfresh805@reddit
glory be thy name
xijingpingpong@reddit
the dichotomy that is the wasian: on one end elliot rodger, on the other keanu reeves
kaduceus@reddit
The irony of all of this is he is decently attractive and came from a wealthy family and drove a BMW.
If he was any degree of well adjusted and could carry on any type of conversation and not be mentally ill and understand with women you just have to act normal and then ask them questions and sit back and let them talk…. Like “so what do you think of ___?” “No way” “oh wow” “I agree!” “That’s crazy I never thought of that”……
Like if he did the BARE minimum
He would’ve gotten laid like crazy
But he was mentally ill
And the second you start being HOSTILE toward women they can smell that shit on you
Good riddance
MissNibbatoro@reddit
He was 5’7” and his nose looked really weird so literally no
philmarcracken@reddit
Everyone says this, bare minimum, talk to women, carry on a conversation. This just isn't true at all anymore. They're in packs all glued to their phones because thats where their idol is
comcastsupport800@reddit
Go outside
philmarcracken@reddit
did you miss the part where they don't care to talk irl outside their phones?
comcastsupport800@reddit
I have no issues talking to girls IRL so I did not miss that part. Seems like a skill issue to me
philmarcracken@reddit
If its also a skill issue, then it doesn't matter if I go outside lmao
comcastsupport800@reddit
Go outside it's better for you
real_picklejuice@reddit
Elliot rises
stupidfritz@reddit
go outside, fatass
zombietomato@reddit
you know Quasimodo predicted all this
samzplourde@reddit
Uncle Ted was way more based.
Supreme gentleman was an entitled brat.
cjnight26@reddit
Can’t Dodger the Rodger
Lost_Expreszion@reddit
Peak subtard.
Anyone who idolizes him is a loser
commienaut@reddit
I read about this guy for the first time today. What a pathetic winey loser, just the worst. Can’t believe there are this many people sucking on his decomposing balls
Rybocephus@reddit
Ignore all women.
ravens52@reddit
How are people still fucking up the words “women” and “woman”? It’s singular vs. plural. I just don’t fucking get it.
True_85@reddit
Incel redditards argue in circles, saying they want freedom from the rat race of societal expectations and then cry when people who have those expectations don't want to slut themselves out for the based and redpilled 4chinner who does nothing but complain that women are the reason they jerk off to Japanese animated children
Bunch of self loathing dorks yall are
Davidoff1983@reddit
What a useless phag this guy was. Surprised he wasnt recruited by ONA 🙄
LemonKamikaze@reddit
Dumbass wasn't even ugly
lifesnotperfect@reddit
He has chad potential. Should've hit the gym instead, but the weak will always choose to remain weak.
Chai_Enjoyer@reddit
I fucking love when 4chan anons look at themselves, their only friend and decide "yeah, most of society is like that"
Delliott90@reddit
Approx 32% of adult US men are single. OP just needs to cope because he lives in a basement and has never worked on himself.
pokemon_fucker_2137@reddit
From 7% to 32% in 18 years while before it remained mostly steady. Its just all the men's fault isn't it. OP overexaggerated but this stat is still brutal and the number will hit the 60% in 20-25 years for sure. 32% of the men are not all basement dwellers, just poor sub5s
Delliott90@reddit
I didn’t say 32 percent of men are basement dwellers, I said OP was because of his views
pokemon_fucker_2137@reddit
What views were even discussed in the post besides eliot predicting the future. You just wanted to call someone a basement dweller from what i can tell. Cringe generalisation and misrepresentation
Gary_FucKing@reddit
Anon believing 60% of men being incels and it being due to women only wanting chad are views.
Winter_Low4661@reddit
No, in 20-25 years immigration and economic collapse will sort it out.
pokemon_fucker_2137@reddit
Women wont marry imigrants anyway. They will be liberated just like the western ones. I am not gonna talk about immigrants too much cause i already got a 3 day ban for too much truth but there will be no economic collapse. Nothing ever happens, it really does not.
Ok_WaterStarBoy3@reddit
63% of young men (under 30) in the United States are single brother
Though that was from 2022 Pew Research so who knows. Feels like it though
battery_acid_10@reddit
Also a lot of guys may choose to be single but still get regular action.
Winter_Low4661@reddit
That's mostly what's going on. A bunch of women just taking turns fucking the same guy, getting ghosted, and listening to Taylor Swift singing about it that exact experience again and again.
Winter_Low4661@reddit
Married men are incels too.
bunker_man@reddit
How do people cope this badly.
Kiryu5009@reddit
I’d rip ass in my car with a girl in the car, and even then I wouldn’t be as insecure as him.
liqamadik@reddit
Guy: “the way I live my life and my beliefs about the world have created nothing but isolation and misery for me”
4chan for some reason: “that's crazy cuz I lived my life the same way and believed the exact same things and I'm also miserable. how did he know?”
aknutty@reddit
"60%" Incel cope You're not part of the majority Losers with no friends and no pussy <convince each other to self prune World doesn't know you exist, you rage quit, 👍cool story bro
A_Dragon@reddit
He literally is Chad. Look at that fucking bone structure.
Moses_On_A_Motorbike@reddit
It obviously wasn't his looks holding him back but uh, gee, what bone of his are you the most impressed with?
A_Dragon@reddit
I’m just saying he’s obviously the type of guy that girls find attractive. He’s probably in the top 1%
IHateGropplerZorn@reddit
Can someone give me an incel vs femcel over time point-and-plot style graph from at least 2001 to 2025?
magusx17@reddit
the supreme gentleman. He died for our sins
Exciting_Bill_7975@reddit
You could say he became an hero
Deimos_Aeternum@reddit
>Someone stating the obvious
>"OMG HE'S A PROPHET"
Shitebart@reddit
Gonna need a source on that 60% there champ
Zesty-Lem0n@reddit
He was just a delusional loser. Dude is clearly conventionally attractive, he just had negative charisma stat and blamed the whole world rather than introspect a single iota.
DeathsStarEclipse@reddit
I don't get this sorta thing. I'm not Chad at all and I have had no trouble in my getting girls.
battery_acid_10@reddit
Unironically the personality>looks fa🐐s have a point. Many guys who struggle don't even necessarily have a "bad" personally, (idk if this guy did) just a boring one.
For me the problem is I legitimately cannot think of what to say to get a conversation going. There have been times when I've been in a car with one of my male friends and not spoken for 30+ minutes because despite trying I couldn't come up with anything to say. If all I had to do was work up the balls to approach dating would be easy.
DeathsStarEclipse@reddit
Fair enough man. I am pretty decent with conversation generally so that's probably a helper ya know. I don't mean to sound like a dick but does a couple of drinks losen you up a bit for chats?
battery_acid_10@reddit
Drinks might help if my problem was confidence, but they don't make it any easier to come up with conversation. There have been times when I've had good long conversations with friends, but they've been under specific circumstances and it's not something I can just make happen on demand. Small talk is just something I cannot really do.
I'm no better on dating apps either. I've simply abandoned multiple conversations a few texts in including one who messaged me first just because I couldn't think of anything to say. Of course the solution is to overdose on social situations until eventually that elusive good convo with a chick ends up happening, but that's challenging when my business takes up so much of my time and I don't have any particular interest in socializing other than to get a girl.
DeathsStarEclipse@reddit
You doing pretty damn well In this conversation I must say. I trick I kinda went by with social awkwardness is that peoples favourite subject is themselves. So I revert to questions like what have YOU been up to lately. You got plans? How's your work? Your boss cool? Etc.
Also the feel felt feeling thing helps to keep a subject rolling once started.
Example, you: is your boss cool? Them: Yes! He is. You: cool, bet that feels good to work for someone cool, I have always felt like that's important! I wonder how other people are feeling about their bosses.
Obviously you don't need to do all three but you see what I mean.
Anyway, it's basic ass advice I'm sorry
Dark_Matter_Guy@reddit
I'm sure if you don't care about their weight.
DeathsStarEclipse@reddit
Honestly.... You think your looks have anything to do with it when that kinda reply is your go to?
Dark_Matter_Guy@reddit
Not really, I'm just trying to make fun of you.
DeathsStarEclipse@reddit
Have another crack at it though, I enjoy a good ribbing so to speak.
DeathsStarEclipse@reddit
It didn't land.
TrajanParthicus@reddit
Damn, your unverifiable, anecdotal evidence has convinced me. I'll disregard the mountain of statistical evidence showing that most young men are virgins who get no attention from women.
Inb4 "muh incel"
Boring, get a new response. One doesn't need to be having constant sex to read numbers.
DeathsStarEclipse@reddit
Is it evidence if I'm not making a case? I never said anything about my experience being the norm. I said I don't understand it.
Do you start every interaction to aggressively?
You didn't not have to be a cunt ya know
Ill-Scheme@reddit
Elliot Roger is nothing more than a huge fucking loser and his manifesto would be top-tier satire if he didn't truly believe everything. He's living proof that his own ideology is false and that even a Chad will fumble if he's a big enough edgelord.
NeverEverStopJerkin@reddit
Elliot & Marios brother or two sides to the same coin
vlad_kushner@reddit
Who is stacy?
LoveYourKitty@reddit
There’s a 50 IQ point difference between Elliot Rodger and Uncle Ted.
wulfboy_95@reddit
Biggest irony was that he'd been legit asked out by his female classmates but his aspergers brain thought they were messing with him.
Kynandra@reddit
Guess what? It only gets worse.
NostalgicGM@reddit
He’s not a prophet all bro needed was some professional help and self confidence
Tangamu@reddit
All he needed to do was visit Cuba for a week.
Swiper_The_Sniper@reddit
Great title OP
farinasa@reddit
It's funny because the point of ending the patriarchy is to eliminate the culture of a man providing (which leads to the culture of an idealized man and vice versa woman), replacing it with a culture where everyone is equal.
You fucking feminists.
Sckjo@reddit
He was literally born rich, looked pretty decent, he was just a retard. If he had tried at all he could have got some. What a jackass
SmoothSentiment@reddit
Brother just needed to get over it and get a hobby. The chad idea isn’t what you think. Usually man children with money and trust me I got money I know.
Sir_CrazyLegs@reddit
Didnt /fit/ gaslit the daily mirror journalist to think elliot rodgers was on body supplement pills?
Heisenburgo@reddit
Yeah. I remember the pic of a newspaper with the headline "virgin killer was on bodybuilding pills and was secretly gay all along" or something like that.
Tripleberst@reddit
He sounded pretty gay (and schizo). That might be a major reason why women didn't respond to him.
login-_@reddit
That’s hilarious
deathbunny32@reddit
Didn't he have an account on the bodybuilding forums where he talked about how small his dick was?
login-_@reddit
I could’ve sworn I read something of the sort in his manifesto. That sh was so long tho.
Mono1813@reddit
Sometimes u gotta appreciate how 1d old 4chan posts have that 10yo posts' look to them. I legit thought this is from 2018 or sth until i looked at the dates. Well done op.
xXHalalManXx@reddit
Uncle Ted would have laughed him off planet earth
Winter_Low4661@reddit
Uncle Ted would've correctly identified The Supreme Gentleman as just another symptom of mass industrialization.
xXHalalManXx@reddit
And then would have laughed his ass off planet earth
acidporkbuns@reddit
The funniest part is that he referred to himself unironically as a "supreme gentleman". Dude went out a loser and cuck. All he had to do was hit the gym, practice socializing and get over himself. Instead he spent his spare time seething in his car to no one.
Mission-Profession19@reddit
shivaswara@reddit
Sociopaths are hot too, he picked the wrong personality disorder 😃
pokemon_fucker_2137@reddit
andhowsherbush@reddit
the worst part is all 6 of his victims were virgins. in his autistic incel rage against whores he didn't kill a single person that had sex
Stupid_Chud@reddit
Heri
Rubber_Ducky_6844@reddit
An
purple_aki04@reddit
90% of Incels are just mentally ill fucks who would lead a much better life if they reached out to any support group, touched grass, and practiced basic fucking hygiene.
login-_@reddit
The real tragedy is his younger brother become a full mogger male model.
BlackwoodJohnson@reddit
The sad thing is that Elliot Rodger was actually quite a handsy looking boy and wasn’t ugly like he thought he was.
Cozy_Minty@reddit
He was a total failure that never approached a girl in his entire life, and whose shooting rampage was completely thwarted by a locked door
Sloregasm@reddit
Is this /confirmation bias/
Anluine@reddit
Guessing that is something rather weirdly easy so calling that guy a prophet is too much glazing
DatMysteriousGuy@reddit
The guy was good looking. But he was mental. That’s why he could not pull chicks.