[CODE] Robinson XCRs 10% off For Mother's Day. Use CODE RMDAY25.
Posted by RobinsonArms@reddit | gundeals | View on Reddit | 54 comments
Posted by RobinsonArms@reddit | gundeals | View on Reddit | 54 comments
lnSerT_Creative_Name@reddit
Would you be able to tell me the weights of the XCRL with a 14.7” light barrel for the standard and comp rail setups?
chicken_stewage@reddit
My friend weighed his stripped down. Mid length upper, 12" barrel, JMac Customs ST6 folding adapter, SBA5 brace, no magazine. Came in at 7 lbs 2 oz.
RobinsonArms@reddit (OP)
I didn't have a 14.7 light barrel nearby so I weighed an L Std with 16" light, barrel, flash hider, and F2 stock. It comes in without a mag at 6.3 lbs. The Comp is 6.6 lbs. The 14.7" barrel would make it a little lighter.
lnSerT_Creative_Name@reddit
So I know these are really cool guns, but can someone explain why you might NOT want one, maybe in comparison to other rifles?
steveiamDota@reddit
if you're a filthy Vepley fan
Huge_Jellyfish4684@reddit
I am a filthy vepley fan but getting a vepr12 is not an option
GremDingo@reddit
How come, fren?
Huge_Jellyfish4684@reddit
You know, i thought they were unobtainable but apparently i just never used gun broker before
Cobra__Commander@reddit
What did I just google?
Only_Big_5406@reddit
Weight. And some online say the recoil is worst then a scar in 762 nato. Main reason is the psa jakl exists if you’re in the market for a long piston ar-bolt rifle but cheaper. Though, the xcr would still be the premium option.
anarchthropist@reddit
Can't really honestly. The XCR is my favorite non AR design.
OG-OnGo@reddit
These are sixk my buddy got one and its all he runs now. Id have one but i cant decide on build or caliber and i end up getting all 3 . 300blk 5.56 and 308 lol so im waiting for a used one to pop up but they never do
moparmadness1970@reddit
I had read a comment here somewhere that if someone purchased a pistol configuration or a rifle configuration and tried to buy a stock or barrel shorter than 16” respectively, Robinson would require proof of tax stanp to complete the purchase.
Is there any truth to that? I’m very interested in the platforms but that is a concern just in principle.
RobinsonArms@reddit (OP)
Let me give you some examples. You order a 16" barreled rifle with a spare 11" barrel at the same time. We are not going to ship you the 11" barrel with you rifle. You know why and so do we. We don't want you to get in trouble and then take us to court saying it's our fault because we sent you the parts and you put that 11" barrel in your rifle, didn't register it, and got caught. The proper way to do it is order the XCR as a pistol with a pistol brace and buy an extra 16" barrel. Another way to legally do it is to buy an XCR as a pistol and buy a stock and a 16" barrel. We can legally send you the pistol with the short barrel and the stock and longer barrel. But if you put the stock on the pistol without installing the 16" barrel first, you've broke the law.
Another thing that most don't realize is that you cannot change firearm that was originally sold as a rifle into a pistol. People buy rifles from us all the time then one month later want a short barrel an pistol brace. We tell them, "Wait a minute. You cannot do that. If you want a short barrel in that rifle, you'll need to do a Form 1. If you want it short without any NFA paperwork, buy it as a pistol to begin with.
There's nothing we would like more than for the NFA to go away completely. But, because of some turn-coat, scum buckets in Congress and on the SCOTUS, this hasn't yet and may not happen ever. For now, we are not going to sell things that would put our customers in jeopardy, and expose us to civil liability for having done so.
Wristlockpick@reddit
Selling the parts for a legal build has nothing to do with a company's liability for a customer not licensing their build correctly. Is there any legal precedent to your claims? Can you recommend a court case?
gassbro@reddit
IANAL: I don’t think Robinson Arms wants to fork out hundreds of thousands of dollars defending themselves against an implication that they’re responsible for an NFA violation.
Wristlockpick@reddit
Has that ever happened? Has a manufacturer ever been successfully sued in civil court for somebody not filing their Form 1 after buying a 10" AR barrel in the same order? Serious question. I've never heard of that happening.
RobinsonArms@reddit (OP)
Many manufacturers have been sued or shut down by the ATF for such things. Most of the cases have been around Ghost guns. Do some research.
As for as constructive possession, read these cases smarty pants.
United States v. Zeidman (1971) and People v. Hill/Medley (1989). These cases demonstrate why you don't want to have the parts that if assembled, would make an illegal firearm. Then in United States v. Thompson/Center Arms Co. (1992), the court held that if you had a pistol and a stock for that pistol and a longer barrel for that pistol, that isn't a crime. That's why we can sell you a pistol with a short barrel, and a stock and a longer barrel.
Wristlockpick@reddit
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but these cases seem unrelated
So in the first case, the guy had a criminal trial because he sold machine guns to a fed and had a Browning pistol with a stock in separate drawers (that he allegedly showed the fed assembled) that they got him for. That seems extremely different from selling the parts needed to SBR a rifle with the rifle.
In the second case, two guys had a sawed off shotgun in two pieces.
I'm not trying to tell you how to run your business, but these seem different than somebody suing because they used a special wrench to change the parts on something you sold them.
Your business, your choice. No shade. Maybe it's not paranoid.
RobinsonArms@reddit (OP)
It's not different at all. The point is if you possess parts that make your firearm illegal, you can be prosecuted. When a customer asks us to send him a gun with parts that will make his weapon illegal, he and we could suffer. We care about our customers and keeping our Licenses. Those who think they're smart or patriotic by skirting the law, are neither.
Wristlockpick@reddit
Nobody is skirting any law. Owning a short barrel that you don't intend to install on a rifle isn't a crime. That would make anybody who owns a rifle length AR and a pistol length AR a criminal. Anybody who owns a pistol and a foregrip is a criminal. Anybody who owns shoelaces or coathangers is a criminal.
Respectfully? Not trying to be a patriotic weirdo. But you sound crazy.
RobinsonArms@reddit (OP)
I'm actually glad your asking these questions. The real problemn I'm not crazy, the laws are. Technically, you could be prosecuted if you have an AR Pistol, a foregrip, and no other firearms with 16" barrels that the grip could be attached to. If you had another firearm that the foregrip could be legally attached to, then you'd be safe according to the case US v Thonmpson Center. This case allows us to ship an XCR pistol with short barrel together with a 16" barrel and a buttsock. What we cannot do is ship a rifle with a 16" barrel together with a short barrel. We likewise cannot ship a pistol with a short barrel together with a stock, unless we also ship it with a extra 16" barrel. This is the law like or or not. Our hope in even answering this is to help people stay out of trouble, and use all their efforts to elect people who will get rid of the NRA.
Wristlockpick@reddit
Thanks for taking the time to explain your reasoning.
RobinsonArms@reddit (OP)
You are welcome.
moparmadness1970@reddit
Thank you. This was type of detail and nuance that I was looking for. I understand compliance with existing ATF requirements but the comment i read made it sound like your policy exceeded whats necessary.
So my understanding now is that there is no proof of tax stamp required from you all for purchase of parts, the sale is either accepted or denied depending on accordance with your/atf legal requirements.
Sorry I’m being an ass here but I’ve run into a couple companies that make up their own unnecessary policies/requirements and blame the atf. It’s adjacent to ranges that want to see a stamp in order to shoot a suppressed weapon.
I’ll resume my agonizing over my choice in which variant of the xcr to pick now.
RobinsonArms@reddit (OP)
We will sell you stocks and barrels of any length. Without a stamp. However, if you tell us it's for a particular firearm that those parts would make illegal without a stamp, we're not selling it. No firearm or combination of parts should be regulated at all. Only the misuse of firearms should be regulated like murdering or robbing someone. Playing games with parts is stupid and could cause you jail time and a lot of legal fees. Just follow the law until we can change it.
mtbmaniac12@reddit
Why is that a concern in principle? That’s standard atf stuff. You can’t buy a pistol along with the parts to convert to rifle in same order. And if you do it in back to back orders, you’re just asking for a visit from the dog killers
DonArgueWithMe@reddit
False, you can buy a pistol, a stock and long barrel, and legally convert it. As long as you put the barrel on before the stock.
You cannot buy a rifle and convert it to a pistol.
mtbmaniac12@reddit
I’m aware. But that’s not what he’s talking about. He was saying he wanted to buy a pistol along with the stock to make it an sbr without having a stamp
DonArgueWithMe@reddit
Cool. But your comment is wrong.
You said you cannot buy a pistol and make it a rifle. That's false. Period.
You said the atf will be after you if you buy a pistol and soon after buy a stock. That's BS. You're wrong and making up blatant lies. It's entirely legal to buy a pistol, a stock, and a long barrel. That's not a crime, it's not getting you on a watch list or your dog shot.
Stop being stupid and making shit up.
mtbmaniac12@reddit
Again, not talking about full conversion from pistol to rifle. Talking about buying pistol and making it an sbr.
DonArgueWithMe@reddit
My guy the atf is not knocking down your door because you bought a pistol and a stock. Just stop.
mtbmaniac12@reddit
Maybe maybe not. I’m not taking that risk.
moparmadness1970@reddit
See my response to Robinson, Primary Arms or some other retailer wouldn’t require proof of tax stamp if I bought a rifle configuration ar then a pistol upper in the future. It’s the same concept here.
gcm5039@reddit
The PA upper could go on any number of lowers. Your Robinson barrel is only going in the Robinson rifle that you have.
moparmadness1970@reddit
And I could have previously bought a used xcr. Its close enough.
Deeper__Thought@reddit
Robinson is totally fucking with you here. My friend bought an xcr rifle, then months, like 6 months later tried to buy the barrel and they demanded to see the stamp. All of this is BS “only if you buy at the same time”
skippythemoonrock@reddit
For a low, low price you too can harass Robinson Arms with anime girl pictures on social media! Really need to grab one of these though, I need a nice 5.56 AR but I have to finish my AUG first.
Huge_Jellyfish4684@reddit
It worked, XCR wasn't on my list but it got me to look into it more!
Overland_671@reddit
Sharkry!
Gatecrasher@reddit
Thank you for supporting the gun community.
Even doing your best for those in communist states.
LuM0s-Wolf762@reddit
If 6 arc really takes off . Will you be designing a different mag well to accept the incoming p mag design ?
RobinsonArms@reddit (OP)
Our XCR works perfectly in 6 ARC with DuraMags. Why would we want to make some queer lower that would not work with 5.56 and some other calibers? The ICAR mag solves a problem the AR has that the XCR doesn't have. By the way, where are those ICAR mags? You cannot even buy them. It's a failed project.
Gatecrasher@reddit
Thank you for supporting the gun community.
Even doing your best for those in communist states.
anarchthropist@reddit
XD LOL
LuM0s-Wolf762@reddit
I love this response. Thank you
RobinsonArms@reddit (OP)
Oh, one more thing. the 6 ARC has already really taken off.
Overland_671@reddit
People might be heading to 22 creedmor now, which I think RA has a caliber conversion for
Stoopidmunky223@reddit
Any chance of adding suppressor mounts to the list of muzzle devices?
RobinsonArms@reddit (OP)
If you send us your muzzle device (and the flat shims it came with), we'll mount it for free. If it needs to be pinned an welded, we charge $100 for that.
Stoopidmunky223@reddit
Interesting - thanks for the response!
RobinsonArms@reddit (OP)
No problem.
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