I've always observed that Dems are more likely to pass a pro gun bill than Republicans, because they trade votes back and forth.
Considern you're the first thing that Obama signed more pro gun bills/regs than Trump or Bush II , in exchange for votes for the ACA.
The major issue is that one side submits a new gun ban every year and the other does not. Republicans are not pro-gun, but not a single political party has been ever 'pro-gun" IMO. Republicans are "more pro-gun" than the left though.
The major issue is that one side submits a new gun ban every year and the other does not. Republicans are not pro-gun, but not a single political party has been ever 'pro-gun" IMO. Republicans are "more pro-gun" than the left though.
Aside from the $200 stamp I am not uber pissed about this (and wait times are low). If suppressors were legalized tomorrow and the next mass shooter used one, the left would be trying to completely ban them as they have already done in some states.
Real question. If Democrats changed their tune right now and said “it’s time to start arming.” How would the government respond? How would the Republicans respond?
Democrats pander to their base. Hillary used that against Bernie in 2016 because being from the most pro gun state, he didn’t want to go after gun companies.
I think you are missing the point.
It seems like you’re trying to claim that there is no way that democrats would support gun rights. So I point out that they pander to whatever they believe will get them reelected (implying that if leftists start taking pro gun stances, that democrats will likely follow suit to ensure reelection).
I used Bernie sanders being quiet on guns in 2016 because he had a pro gun voting base in Vermont, and then changing tune when Hillary used that as ammo against him, as a real world example of this very thing happening.
So what exactly is difficult for you?
David Hogg is the vice chair of the party! Bernie Sanders does not represent the majority of the Democratic party. Just because some Democrats are pro gun rights does not mean the majority of the party ever will be. Look at California, Illinois, Massachusetts, New York. Are you fucking kidding me right now? You're delusional.
Bruh, are you fucking slow? The only reason Bernie wasn’t anti gun, is because he represented a population where being anti gun would have lost him elections. The point is that if leftists start rallying around gun rights, democrats will follow suit so they can stay in office. Politicians aren’t actually principled, that’s why you see Trump and MTG prattling about guns, despite the fact that neither of them actually fucking knows anything about them.
"Leftists" aren't the base of the democratic party. A lot of them can't even bring themselves to vote. Get out of your little terminally online echo chamber and actually look at the world. All the most blue states are the most anti-gun states in the country. You're completely fucking delusional.
lol what are you talking about? I’m the one challenging your absolutists claims. Echo chamber? 😂 ok dude. While you’re right about some leftists, you can’t make that claim while also pointing at David Hogg, because he’s certainly not promoting Keynes or Mises.
When the democrats are in they ram all the woke in, illegals in, fund a invasion. They run the place like it’s they won. Rep are weak, spineless Boy Scouts
and yet the Republicans have been profiting from this ridiculous fallacy that they're the champions of constitutional rights when it was Reagan who took away much of our 2nd amendment rights in 1986 and George W. Bush did when he used fear after 9/11 to create a "big brother" state where the government can spy on Americans in America and now Trump weakening due process (just for bad guys...right...like opening that door won't some day extend to "Americans we don't like".
It’s the haves vs the have nots. The in betweens like politicians, bankers and media are the wannabes and puppets of the haves. Think of it as a three ring circus. The ringleader is the corporations. Simple ! Don’t ever one of the first things you likely learned very early in life. Money makes the world go round. Best advice? Follow the dollar and 90% of the time you’ll find your an answer.
It's not ignorance among us. It's the calculated sowing of discontent by them. There are plenty of things folks disagree on, but by and large the vast majority of folks want pretty much the same things. But the vast majority is too hard to control. Far easier for the political class to split us up into tribes and have us fight each other over petty bull that doesn't even really matter.
Red just doesn't seem to care about anyone except those that put money in their pocket. Blue had all the ammo in the world the last 12 years they held the office with shootings and didn't do anything...
but, like the video points out, republicans hold the majority in the house, senate, and "president". now would be the time to get it passed if it ever was going to happen.
I'm a gun-newb...actually don't own a gun yet - working towards it though. I'm ready for the dogpile.
Legit question. Under what non-active duty or law enforcement-related circumstances, as a civilian, would I need a suppressor? I genuinely know nothing about them other than they suppress the noise. Why is this a big deal?
I'm bracing...
You won't truly understand until you go shooting with a suppressor. I like shooting but my ears do not, even with earpro I tend to get bad migraines from the noise, but the money and process have always been blockers but thankfully things are improving. Went shooting the other week out in BLM with some friends we all had cans on, being able to walk around without earpro on all the time and be able to converse with others in your normal voice while others are shooting suppressed in the vicinity is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
I'll answer earnestly because I would have had the same question 5 years ago, but now own a couple:
Practical reasons all come back to guns being dangerously loud. Without hearing protection gunshots will damage your hearing, permanently and rapidly.
For a range day this isn't that big of a deal - you wear your electronic ear muffs and probably foamies on top of that and it's fine. A lot of hunters don't wear any hearing protection because it's "just" one shot and they want to hear what's happening around them, so that's a huge use case that a lot of people run suppressors for. Also - if you're ever in a home defense scenario losing some hearing is better than the alternative, but a suppressor is a very easy way to not sustain a lifelong injury in the process of defending yourself and also not basically flashbang yourself in the process. An unsuppressed 5.56 or even 9mm shot in an indoors pace is unbelievably loud and you're not going to have time to go get your hearing protection.
They're also just not something that there's a coherent argument for being nearly as controlled as they are. They're an accessory. Guns are still loud with them (with some exceptions like subsonic .22lr), the loudness doesn't somehow make a gun less deadly, etc. Nations with MUCH stronger gun control than any state in the US sell them over the counter.
I was thinking exactly that - what are the downsides to having them readily available? I can imagine some scenarios but I also imagine without the suppressor, it may be easier to identify the source direction of the shot. I don't know, I suppose I just don't have enough exposure and experience to appreciate the benefits. I have shot handguns before, though at ranges with ear and eye protection, so I get the argument for suppressors. Outside of that controlled environment, not sure it would benefit me any. And yes, in a home defense situation, last thing I'd probably be worried about is some hearing lost.
I appreciate your thoughtful response.
A majority of republicans would vote to pass this law, there are 23 composers all are Republicans. Acting like a few rhinos invalidates the Republicans pro gun voting record is as dumb as acting like 1 democrat voting for this means most democrats are people gun.
Oh no, please, tell me all about how the true Democrat Trump is enacting the liberal leftist agenda that me and others would like to have. Please. Go ahead. I'll wait. Go ahead, what left leaning agenda items has he put in place, you stable genius you?
What's yours, you are posting in the same subs I go to so you already know what this admin is doing to people it claims without process to be undocumented while rendering people, including a couple US citizen children, to foreign nations and prisons.
Or the recent news of detainees being cuffed in a room and forced to sign deportation papers after refusing the federal government's initial request to do so.
I’m with you. I guess I misinterpreted your comments. Guess I’m just not used to encountering people I agree with politically here. Love to see it though!
You and others here are implying dude is doing democrat shit. I'm saying prove it. You can't, cause he ain't. He's not conservative by definition either. He's a fuckin apolitical tyrant who aligned with the reds cause it was easier. Simple as.
No. We're implying that as a Democrat - in combination with being a grifter - he won't be passing Republican legislation that won't directly benefit him.
>He's not conservative by definition either. He's a fuckin apolitical tyrant who aligned with the reds cause it was easier. Simple as.
See? You're pretty much halfway there already. Nobody is saying he is going to do Democrat stuff. Just that he's not going to do Republican stuff that won't directly benefit him. He 100% would have chosen the Democrats if they were easier marks, but TBH the GOP was practically begging for a Jabba-esque messiah.
I don't think his party status pre-2000 means a damn thing in the context of Trump, any more than his status as a republican now. Other than that, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Maybe not. I just know you won't get Republican laws passed by him that don't benefit him directly. It's one thing that might explain it, but his desire to out self above all else also would and that's happening right now.
It points out how the parties have shifted. Like you said and I said, he hadn’t changed his views in 25 years. His actual views are what the democrats held 25 years ago, and have since progressed further left. It comes out when he talks about his personal thoughts on firearms. Last term he stated he felt like we should take the guns first then ask questions.
Kamala owns a handgun for personal protection, so she actually might be somewhat better than trump on this. probably not good, but she at least sees the merit of owning a handgun personally, whilst trump is probably of the mindset that no one needs a gun for personal protection because that's what body guards are for.
They take guns away from people like her, only she was a Californian politician to whom gun laws do not apply. I'm sure Doug keeps it locked in a safe where his wife and kids does not know the combination.
Gums, eh? A Freudian slip because you lost your dentures again, Fudd?
Trump was a New York Democrat for decades before swapping labels and donning a flimsy disguise as a Republican. Guy has more constitutionally-related red flags than his own rallies.
Your gun rights have been stripped away year after year in California. You’ve got some of the most restrictive gun control regulations in the country, and you think no one’s been coming for your guns?
I’m a gun owner, but I also don’t think we should skip due process, punish women for their bodily choices, and fuck up alliances we have just to strike my ego. So ya, fuck trump, honestly the only reason I bought guns was because of Trump and his stupidity
It's a comparative. You have to play the hand of cards you've been dealt, not the ones you want. Trump might not be the objectively best person for gun rights, but compared to everyone he's gone up against he's still the best we have and he's done some good things for gun rights, at least enough that anti-gun people have spent the past decade screeching about how much damage he's done to them.
If you want to effect meaningful changes, vote on the state and local levels and get involved in party primaries. Brandon Herrera came within *400* votes of beating Tony Gonzales in the primary. You as an individual can do a lot to effect changes by operating at the levels where your actions can do the most good.
I guess you're a Millennial because Reagan did the same anti-gun shit in the '60s. You can go back and forth with this blame game all day, but don't ignore what never *actually* happens when the "pro-gun" party gets into power. Somehow all that NRA influence dries up and their promises fall flat. We'll be here ready to talk about reality after you wake up to the fact that gun rights are only useful as a single-issue motivator if they remain *constantly under attack*. So any positive action to shore up gun rights and protect them from the anti-gun crowd are strangely absent, or miserably insufficient. As long as they have you pointing at the Dems and not their own inaction, the process is working just as they intend.
>I guess you're a Millennial because Reagan did the same anti-gun shit in the '60s.
If you’re talking about the Mulford act, that was a bipartisan bill, written and cosponsored by both Dems and Repubs. It passed a Dem controlled committee and assembly, and a split senate. Putting it at the feet of Regan is less than half the story.
>
What pro gun legislation made it to his desk?
Trump repealed Obamas ban on social security recipients getting denied being able to own guns based on getting help with their finances and he restored the ability for people with federal felonies being able to appeal to get their gun rights back. The worst thing he did was the bump stock ban which I think was a huge mistake and an embarrassment.
He doesn't seem to give a shit about actual legislation this time around. Has he tried any pro gun EO? I honestly don't know, but EO seems to be about the only way he cares about attempting to enact anyone he cares about this time around
>He doesn't seem to give a shit about actual legislation this time around.
He came out supporting constitutional carry.
I don't know if you know how US lawmakers works trump can't sign laws get doesn't get to his desk.
>Has he tried any pro gun EO?
Dude you have to be trolling he literally repealed an executive order by Obama that you I guess didn't read i wrote, made an executive order allowing federal felons to appeal getting gun rights back, also these:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/protecting-second-amendment-rights/
He's passed more pro gun executive orders than any president the last like 20 years.
Is trump a majority of republican elected officials? Did you just not read what I said ir are do you just not have ab argument besides deflecting? You guys don't look smart arguing this way you look dumb.
>Is trump a majority of republican elected officials?
*Checks origination of MAGA.*
*Checks history of MAGA and Republican blind alliance.*
Yes. Yes he is.
Uh huh so if Trump is anti gun supposedly according to you that means most republicans qre anti gun? Can you name a republican state with strict gun control like Maryland, California, or New York?
If Trump told MAGA to be anti-gun, they would be anti-gun. If he instructed them to tank the bill, they'd tank the bill and then Fox would call it 6D Connect 4 or some other nonsense and you and the rest of the GOP would swallow it with glee.
If he instructed them to pass the bill, they'd pass it.
And given his statements about suppressors and due process regarding firearm confiscation, I'm not surprised one bit that this thing is being held up.
You want to go around calling everyone who doesn't agree with you "rhino" (it's RINO, by the way - Republican in Name Only - not sure why you're so obsessed with pachyderms in this thread) then President Bobs-For-Apples-In-Iodine is a RINO, too.
The rest of your comment doesn't matter because it's just a meaningless misdirect that has nothing to do with anything here.
Okay do you have reading comprehension issues?
I literally said a majority of republican politicans are pro gun, and you are like, "But trump", how does that disprove what I am saying? You aren't even addressing anything i am saying you are just talking about trump. The only pro gun presidential candidate was the libertarian one and you probably didn't even vote for them.
I sincerely believe if the republicans were guaranteed to never lose control the first thing they would is ban guns.
I hate that every issue is based on votes and not constitutional rights.
Immigrants are allowed to apply for asylum/residency IF they apply and cross at a legal border crossing. Anyone here illegally voids that right. It should be that simple.
The right to bear arms is a constitutional right. It’s that simple.
We need somebody in power that is a constitutionalist first and a patsy to the wealthy last.
The people that voted the current administration in do not appear to give two cents about what the Constitution says unless it pertains to guns. So, good luck with that.
> We need somebody in power that is a constitutionalist first and a patsy to the wealthy last.
Good luck with that. The entire government is owned and paid for by Wall St and billionaires. I agree with you but probably not a politician alive today is what we need
One can dream. I'm sure we'll get first contact and the AI singularity before that last part comes to pass, though. At the rate they're trying to ratfuck the constitution, I'm sure even the more realistic piece of your last statement is unfortunately becoming less possible. But goddamn if we didn't for once have a government for the people and by the people. Instead of whatever this insider trading circle-jerk is.
I think its adorable honestly that you think either side is interested in solving issues, or care about the issues and arent simply interested in exacerbating and continuing the same issues and gripes that keep them elected and their voters base engaged.
It's like being at work. Would you rather just do your job, or would you rather take on more (and by all rights, unnecessary) work when you're a self serving politician leeching off the people.
Theyre here to get elected and reelected, not to serve the public. They serve their donors and the cause of the party, which answers to again, donors, not the public. They are strictly a business. The Republican voting record means absolutely nothing, any co sponsor, any yea, nay, etc. is strictly for appearances, not out of true discourse.
Even the most “pro-gun” representative would vote against every pro-gun bill of their vote were needed to stop the bill. Republicans who support gun rights only do so knowing they have the luxury of supporting bills that will never pass.
It's disappointing the people who haven't yet realized this. You don't have to take a polisci class to see the usefulness of a single-issue topic. It's manipulative and deceitful. There is a complete absence of respect for their constituents when they claim support of the constitution then get into office and fail to do anything about it.
This is true. It was abortion for the left. They rode the hobby horse for decades after Roe v. Wade about how the Republicans were going to take away abortion rights from women yet never made any real attempt to pass a law to guarantee those rights even though Roe v. Wade was not a good decision judicially. There were times that they could have made that law happen, didn’t, and now all the people who voted for them for that one issue are left out in the cold. This will happen to gun owners, although I can’t predict exactly when or how yet.
You're acting like this is some crazy outlier of an action and just a few bad apples. Both parties do this kind of thing. Today it was Republicans and gun laws. The Democrats did it to themselves, more recently with Kyrsten Sinema voting against a $15/hr minimum wage and against filibuster reform.
A decade+ ago it was Democrats like Lieberman who voiced opposition to single payer healthcare even though they had a supermajority under Obama.
After that, it was John McCain voting against the repeal of the Affordable Care Act.
>You're acting like this is some crazy outlier of an action and just a few bad apples.
It is though. If you are saying it isnt you are lying to yourself.
Every red state has way more permissive gun laws than Democrat controlled ones and the vast majority of democrat politicans pass gun control federally and locally. If you are denying this fact, because it's blatantly obvious if you actually look at bills and state gun laws, you are either totally ignorant or trying to gaslight people into saying republicand are all bad.
Jesus Christ, are you 5? The gun bill isn't really what we're talking about. The gun bill isn't the outlier or not the outlier.
The politician playing spoiler is the common thing. Both sides do it on a very regular basis. Maybe its to earn a favor with someone else, or pay back a 'donation' to the last campaign or maybe it's for some shady under the table deal. Whatever the reason, it happens every single legislative session.
>Jesus Christ, are you 5? The gun bill isn't really what we're talking about.
Yes we are talking about republican politicans. The 5 year olds here are the people talking about Trump or a couple anti gun Republicans as "proof" republican politicans are anti gun when thats obviously not true if we look at legislation and stare gun laws.
>The gun bill isn't the outlier or not the outlier.
The politician playing spoiler is the common thing.
If it's a common why do republican controlled states have vastly more lax gun laws than Democrat ones and why do these anti gun bills have primarily democrat co-sponsers with no Republicans?
If you truly believe it's all rigged then I'm going to vote for the people who are rigging it to prop up pro gun legislation.
>"proof" republican politicans are anti gun
Nobody said that...
What was implied is that they don't want to solve the problems they talk about. The implication of *that* being that they want the problems to continue so they can continue campaigning and making money off of them.
No one said Republicans are *anti* gun. Just that they, as a whole, are not nearly as pro-gun as they, or anyone else, claims they are. Not by their actions. It's mostly performative.
>No one said Republicans are *anti* gun. Just that they, as a whole, are not nearly as pro-gun as they, or anyone else, claims they are. Not by their actions. It's mostly performative.
That's objectively not true.
Have you ignored over the past several decades how Republicans:
Repealed state bans on silencer ownership and legalized them for hunting.
Enacted constitutional carry throughout most US states
Made sanctuary cities to limit enforcement of federal gun laws
In my state they repealed a 100 year old handgun permits license democrats wanted for all guns
Are you just going to ignore like how gun laws in red states for decades have gotten less restricted?
>The Democrats did it to themselves, more recently with Kyrsten Sinema voting against a $15/hr minimum wage and against filibuster reform.
>Denocrat
> Sinema
Hmmm
yes, I know she changed her party affiliation before she left office because she had no hope of reelection. Joe Manchin pulled the same bullshit of being the spoiler.
Nah, it's a fucking show. They know they can't let it happen, count how many yes votes will still allow it to fail, find the few with safe seats to be the fall guy and vote no.
You're being played. Send in that support money so they can fight for your rights. Don't wait.
And when your only argument is my grammar, that's pretty apparent about who's right.
It's not kool-aid. If anyone is acting like a small group of anti gun Republicans represents a majority of republican politicans who consistently, on the federal and local level, introduce pro gun laws, stall anti gun bills, and run on gun platforms is still gun ill call them straight up an idiot or they are intentionally trying to steer people away from pro gun candidates.
RINO. Republicans In Name Only. Not Rhino. These are Republicans. The same people that claim to support veterans but vote to cut their benefits. The same ones whose current party leader has repeatedly talked about not giving a shit about due process.
The bills so far have 23 co sponsers who are all Republicans and most red states have extremely lax gun laws. What do you mean garden variety? In every recent federal assault weapon ban attempt the only co sponsers wrre democrats.
What you are issuing doesn't align with reality.
The Dems don’t support gun rights sure but the republicans don’t advance gun rights. Garden variety (typical) republicans aren’t doing shit for gun rights.
>The Dems don’t support gun rights sure but the republicans don’t advance gun rights.
In my state they repealed a pistol purchase permit that had been in place for 100 years and over the past 2 decades have made more than half the country have constitutional carry. What are you talking about?
I hate this line of thinking so much, every time I ask a republican "Which republican rep ISNT a rhino" the number of names fits in 1 hand.
My man, YOU ARE THE RINO.
[It’s almost as if Republicans are the reason modern gun laws took shape how they did](https://californialocal.com/localnews/statewide/ca/article/show/4412-california-gun-control-reagan-black-panthers/)
"Ronald Reagan signed 3 gun control bills as governor as president.
Obama opened up carrying in national parks."
Shuts down most of the politically stupid range rats and LGS counterfucks.
Making people jump through more hoops than previously to own guns.
The same thing Republicans are doing with voting rights, travel rights etc. at the federal level.
I guess you're just going to overlook sweeping bans in CO, WA, IL, and OR. That's very honest.
Plus, voter ID is barely a hoop. So even your whataboutism falls flat.
It's barely a hoop for anyone unless you're going to try and convince me that black people don't know how to go to the DMV with their birth certificate, which seems pretty racist tbh.
I have lived in bum fuck. Was no problem to get a license. A very tiny minority will have no transportation and even poor people drive and get a license.
Any more excuses?
>voter ID is barely a hoop.
That depends on how hard Republicans want to enforce it, it has potential to be a massive hoop. Personally I don't trust the flippancy, or competency, of this administration enough for it to be barely a hoop. Same with Real ID.
>overlook sweeping bans
Well they still haven't taken our guns away; they have in some places prevented you from getting further guns, and only some of them.
They're only going to give you things you want, if they involve taking someone elses rights away. It's why Republicans can be successful taking away abortion and voting rights, and Democrats can be successful taking away gun rights. And until you realize your neighbors aren't the enemy, they will both continue to do so.
Like the Hughes Amendment with FOPA, the CC in national parks was put into the Credit Card Accountability Responsibility and Disclosure (CARD) Act of 2009 as a poison pill. The Senator who put it in was Tom Coburn who was hoping it would kill the bill. Obama wanted CARD enough to sign despite the pro gun amendment being added to it.
Real question here, if CC in national parks was passed in the House and Senate cleanly (ie not attached to a piece of legislation President Obama really wanted / needed) does anyone believe he would have signed it?
Given his statements about gun control and his support for a ban on semi automatic firearms now, I'm gonna conclude he'd never sign it.
We got a pro 2a win from anti 2a president due to political maneuvering on a bill he really wanted that was intended to fail. Let's not mistake that for him actually being pro 2a.
Ronald reagen signed FOPA which is one of the most significant pro gun bills ever passed federally. The poison bill was added by democrats. Obama passed more anti gun executive orders than trump. Trump repealed them when he got in office.
Except Obama was a lame duck and didn’t have the numbers for all the gun control he wanted to implement. He certainly tried, but Congress wasn’t with him.
Obama wasn’t a lame duck; he got a ton of his stuff passed, though often watered down. Plus there’s that period where democrats held a filibuster-proof supermajority in Senate while also having a majority in Congress under Obama. If the democrats were going to pass a ton of gun control, they would have done it.
Ah shut the fuck up. You idiots go from "Obummer was the wurst he did all da gun laws" to "Obummer was a lame duck he couldn't pass anything" in fucking half a thought.
Just sit this one out until you can come up with a story.
Hughes Amendment is trash and unconstitutional, but the firearms owners protection act was very very important and discounting all the protections we have today because it includes the Hughes amendment is wild to me. This “Republicans pass more gun control than Democrats” rhetoric needs to stop. All it is is anti gun propaganda that tries to make the Democrats look less bad to pro gun people. I know that’s not exactly what you’re saying, but attacking Reagan in that regard doesn’t help either.
"Then leave"
Why? There is no where to go. Also I ma not giving up my land or shit to the collective. Stop supporting stealing, murdering and kidnapping instead? You know? Be a decent person?
"stop discussing politics and live out your life smuggly being smarter than anyone else "
Lol, that's really all you can come up with?
Neither party supports the public ownership of the means of production by the workers themselves.
Learn theory scrublord. AnCap isn't a coherent ideology.
Who killed what bill? This video is just more clickbait bullshit. Unless Republicans suddenly gained a 60 vote supermajority in the senate, neither bill has any chance and wasting time on either is pointless. So they've done nothing, because that is the absolute most that they can possibly do with the bills right now.
I'm sure they didn't help, but that's what Democrats do. That's why we wait for pro gun legislatures and executive to pass pro gun bills, and play defense with anti gun legislatures and executives.
Now we have an all-republican slate and they killed a good bill in committee. 🤨
“Take the guns first, go through due process second”
I don't know why anyone would confuse this administration or the 119th Congress, whose majority control appears to be taking their orders directly from the tweets of the POTUS, as pro-2A.
Guns are just a dangling carrot for republicans but they have also whittled down our rights each successive chance they have gotten to do so. They ALL suck hope some of you idiots open your eyes to that this time around.
If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're taking his carrot. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his basket for you."
This should come as no surprise from the administration that wants police to be able to take your guns before any kind of conviction and then “decide” if you’re worthy to get that back (spoiler alert: you’ll never see them again).
Fascists don’t want you having shit.
Reminder: The Republicans are not pro-2A.
Also Reminder: The Democrats are explicitly anti-2A.
The Republicans don't want to expand your rights on the 2a, the Democrats want to take away what you have left.
> The Republicans don't want to expand your rights on the 2a
At the federal level, they aren't doing a good job. However all the expansion of gun rights that has happened at the state level has been under Republican leadership.
For the Dems there's never a wrong circumstance for banning guns. They made David Hogg their party vice chair. Banning guns is a core platform policy for them
Hogg is so anti gun he celebrated a Democrat in Alaska losing her seat because she wasn't hardcore on gun control. He's also publicly said that if you are a Democratic voter who doesn't align with his view on gun control to leave the party.
> They made David Hogg their party vice chair
Anyone who runs and gets above the 208 vote threshold(he got 215) for the DNC get's a "vice chair" position. IIRC, they've had up to 8 of them before. It's not like a traditional VP role where they're the 2nd person in charge. His "Vice Chair" position doesnt have a title or any defined goal/department.
The fact he got the votes shows that banning guns is a core platform policy for Democrats.
Do all the mental gymnastics you want, but if you vote Democrat, you vote against the 2A. You vote for the laws of NY and CA.
Yeah Luigi ended that one for us. They all know we hate them and saw what he did. We aren’t EVER getting an 2A action with the worlds most hated loser (Elon) and someone who thinks every one hates him and has walked where Brian Thompson has walked many times (Trump) pulling the strings.
Rhino is a meaningless braindead pejorative used as a thought-terminating cliche to dismiss concerns of other party members if they won't suck up to the rest of the party.
No you don't need to gaslight. It's very clear looking at red states vs blue states and federal votes on assault weapon bans Republicans are significantly better. Do you think everyone here is stupid?
If gun laws were literally the only thing to worry about ever, you might have a point.
Guns don’t pay my rent, feed my child, help me afford health care, fix my car, pay for my insurance, mitigate climate change, or fix our bridges.
The boomer democrats are still pretty anti gun but the tune is changing in the younger crowd. Plenty of us left of the GOP are fully capable of seeing how important the 2nd Amendment is in uncertain times like these as this nation flirts with fascism. I have been a gun owner and gun rights FOR ALL advocate for my whole life since I got my first gun at 16. Im also capable of understanding that guns aren’t the only thing on the ballot.
>If gun laws were literally the only thing to worry about ever, you might have a point.
Thats what this conversation is about, gun laws. I don't care about random bullshit that isn't related to what we are talking about.
My dude, you were taking about politicians and gun laws yes, but like I said, that’s not all they do that affects our lives.
If you can’t have a grown up conversation then just say so.
You can't even stay on topic with this conversation without interjecting other random bullshit. Im not talking about what other policies Republicans or democrats support. It's not relevant you have no argument to what I am saying so you are pivoting to random other things you aren't having a grownup discussion you are being a baby trying to complain about other shit.
You said “Rhinos and democrats need to be voted out” in the context of guns and I’m telling you that that’s a silly narrow minded way to vote.
I can’t help that you cant use context clues to determine that and think that I’m “pivoting to random other things”. This is how grownups with functioning brains have nuanced conversations. If you need to wander back to the kids table I’m sure the rest of us will be just fine without you since you have nothing useful to add.
Also, it’s not Rhino, it’s RINO as in Republicans In Name Only
>You said “Rhinos and democrats need to be voted out” in the context of guns and I’m telling you that that’s a silly narrow minded way to vote.
This is a pro gun subreddit. Like you want yo argue against voting for pro gun people by bringing up other policies to justify i guess you not voting for pro gun politicans.
I personally dont care how you vote but I also dont care for you trying to undermine my argument by like other random shit that isn't related to what I am arguing. You aren't arguing you are just making noise.
Yeah, no shit. Who's surprised by this? The GOP aren't really for the 2A as much as they claim to be during campaigns. In this they're just gun control lite. Half the calories, same authoritarian bullshit.
They'll make all the promises in the world for gun rights, and they'll tout their dedication to the constitution with every other breath. But get them in office and make them spend political capital to actually affect those promises and it's crickets. They're *politicians*, of course they say what we want to hear. They want to keep us afraid and motivated, because good actions fade, but an immortal boogeyman never goes away.
Look on the bright side, y'all!
Now you don't have to keep acting like you're "one issue voters" and we can all enjoy empty shelves and not worry about those pesky social security checks or 401ks!!!
This seems like more fear-mongering clickbait bullshit. Neither bill has gone up for a vote. Nothing has been blocked. There just hasn't been any progress.
The bills are being intentionally held back. If you were trying to pass through a door, and I was standing in front of you holding you back, some might say I was blocking you from passing....
But it but then we couldnt virtue signal about fuck Republicans or fuck politicians. Or fuck Democrats. I don't know why I opened this thread, I knew it was gonna be a cess pool.
So...
Y'all got EVERYTHING perfectly in place to get everything you ever wanted with firearms...
The house, senate, president everything..
And still...
what the hell?
Honestly this will hurt political affiliation for those that are voting party lines and pro 2a. Trump has already on multiple occasions demonstrated he is NOT pro 2a.
I swear, whatever dark fantasy you’re conjuring, it has no bearing on reality. There are more guns than people in this country and it isn’t close. If someone is going to copy him, there isn’t any legislation that’s going to stop that… But, most people aren’t blood thirsty, which is why you don’t see a spate of copy cats. Or, would you like to take this opportunity to make the case for gun grabbers?
Beyond frustrating.
Never settle no matter who is in what seat of power. Remind all reps they work for us and that we want things like this to pass!!!!!
Two things can simultaneously be true:
1. The Republicans are far better when it comes to gun rights than Democrats. That unfortunately, isn’t even a contest. I wish it was.
2. They still suck. They’re only better in the sense that losing your pinky finger is far better than having your entire arm cut off and then being beaten to death with it.
A lot of people in this sub conveniently only speak about Democrats on a federal level when debating which party is better for gun rights. But the reality is that 2A rights are trampled on at the state level and there's no debating which party is more responsible. I know first hand as someone who has lived in NY & NJ my whole life.
Compare gun laws between
Kansas and Colorado
Missouri and Illinois
California and Arizona
Washington and Idaho
Iowa and Minnesota
Pennsylvania and New York
New Mexico and Oklahoma.
It's so clear who is better for gun rights, but this is Reddit after all.
**Firearm mortality per 100,000 people**
Kansas: 16.8 - Colorado: 17.1
Missouri: 24.2 - Illinois: 14.4
California: 8.6 - Arizona: 20.1
Washington: 12.4 - Idaho 17
Iowa: 11.2 - Minnesota: 9.6
Pennsylvania: 14.7 - New York: 5.3 (This one was a little surprising because despite having *more than double* the population of PA, the total number of firearms deaths in NY is nearly 1,000 fewer)
New Mexico: 27.3 - Oklahoma: 19.8 (weird comparison, they both have very lax gun laws)
[Source](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm)
**Violent crime rate per 100,000 people**
Kansas: 410.8 - Colorado: 381.0
Missouri: 495.0 - Illinois: 406.9
California: 441.2 - Arizona: 455.3
Washington: 293.9 - Idaho: 223.8
Iowa: 266.6 - Minnesota: 236.4
Pennsylvania: 306.4 - New York: 358.6
New Mexico: 832.2 - Oklahoma: 431.8
[Source](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-4)
It looks like on average the states you listed with Democrat governors or restrictive gun laws have less deaths to firearms per capita and with a few exceptions have less violent crime in general than states with Republican governors or liberal (in the literal sense of the word) gun laws.
Honestly my main takeaway from this is that New Mexico is fucking crazy. Yall need to chill the fuck out. That state is a real life battle royale or something.
The state level parties are completely different animals than the federal level. You can't really compare Republicans at the federal level to Democrats at the state level or vice versa.
One other thing is true. There are political parties that are not Republican or Democrat. Some of them are borderline crazy, but some of them are more sane that what we have.
Thankfully any possibility of changing our voting system to make them relevant is being eliminated as well. Because ranked choice voting is *so much worse* than what we have now.
I wish we could have a viable party that actually believes in individual human freedom.
Unfortunately we get two viable options. We can choose the ultra-right-wing fascists of the modern GOP or the right-leaning centrists and neoliberals of the Democrat party.
You've got Republicans shitting on the Constitution while Dems shit on the Constitution.
I just want freedom, healthcare, and guns. Is that really too much to ask?
> right-leaning centrists
Bruh, unless you’re talking about Joe Manchin, you’re living a fantasy. Obama ran on “traditional marriage” in 2008. The Democrat party has only moved one direction and it isn’t right.
This is just a fear mongering clickbait video. The bill in question ( the [SHUSH](https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/850/all-info) act) was only introduced at the end of January, and has been in 2 committees concurrently since then.The Ways and Means Committee since it removes the tax requirement and the Judiciary committee since it deregulates silencers completely (and preempts state laws as well). Since it was introduced it has not been seen by either committee, I assume because it is more because of volume than anything else, it's #154 (chronologically) referred to the ways and means committee, with several more interesting bills ahead of it including the (repeal the NFA act).
I’ll admit to complete anti Trump bias, but listen to his speech directly after that school shooting in Miami during his first term. He promised stuff Democrats have never mentioned publicly. He took a big step back after someone from the NRA called him and reminded him of the $26 million dollars of Russian money they filtered through their books and to his campaign. Trump’s son Fon Junior is a legit hunter but he’ll be able to get anything he wants no matter what the law says.
Suppressors. Considering the number one reason for gun ownership is for protection and statistics show number of shots fired in a self-defense situation is almost always below 10…I’d rather not have to sacrifice my ability to hear just to protect myself or family. Non-gun people truly think that suppressors work like they do in Hollywood and it’s obvious that the people who write these laws do not know how guns work
I’d like both, because we should have that according to the second amendment. But if it was an either/or choice, I’d probably go for suppressors. There’s not a shit load of things I could do with a full auto that I couldn’t with an FRT or SS, and I couldn’t afford to pay to run a bullet hose very often anyway. I always want to be able to hear, though.
This is the guy blocking the bill in committee. Let him know he’s on the wrong side of the Constitution. Even the EU allows suppressors.
https://jasonsmith.house.gov/
Rep Jason Smith
Cape Girardeau Office 2502 Tanner Drive, Suite 205 Cape Girardeau, MO 63703 Phone: 573-335-0101 Fax: 573-335-1931
Rolla Office 830A S. Bishop Rolla, MO 65401 Phone: 573-364-2455 Fax: 573-364-1053
Farmington Office 22 East Columbia Street Farmington, MO 63640 Mailing Address: P.O. Box 1165 Farmington, MO 63640 Phone: 573-756-9755 Fax: 573-756-9762
West Plains Office 35 Court Square, Suite 300 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-255-1515 Fax: 417-255-2009
Poplar Bluff Office 2725 North Westwood Blvd, Suite 5A Poplar Bluff, MO 63901 Mailing Address: P.O. Box 4707 Poplar Bluff, MO 63902 Phone: 573-609-2996
Washington, DC Office 1011 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4404 Fax: 202-226-0326
I am not surprised by this at all, thinking NFA items will ever be able to be bought OTC is crazy lol. Why would they give up their $200 extortion fee and get to put you on a list on top of it? The NFA works for the government they have no incentive to ever change anything. When has the government ever given gun rights? They tolerate the ones we have and look for ways to shoot them down after election season.
With that being said I’ll take Trump and no progress on the NFA items ownership vs the rainbow gestapo coming door to door to do compliance checks, magazine bans, rifle bans, brace bans, gun stores being put out of business over paperwork typos, ammunition purchasing limits, may issue concealed permits, frt / ss bans, red flag laws, and eventually outright gun bans like what Canada just recently did pretty much.
I wish there was a serious 3rd party that made everybody happy but the way it’s set up I will take republicans for gun rights any day of the week.
Democrats are 10x worse by far and it’s not even close. If Kamala won this last election they would have been beating our heads in a lot worse right now guaranteed.
You wouldn’t even be thinking about a bill like this that’s facts, it would be more along the lines of the Harris admin just banned any magazine fed rifle and pistol magazines over 10 rounds because you should be John wick when you are in a self defense incident and hit every single shot, fuck the fact there may be more than one person, maybe there’s 5 people breaking into your house tonight instead. I mean who needs those extra rounds just incase.
Let Biden tell it you go walk outside like the terminator when they are trying to break in and blast off two shots in the air from the 12 gauge as warning shots and the criminals who may or may not have Glocks with switches or a Draco with a 100 rd drum on it on them are going to hear the warning shots and take off. Not like people ever get into shootouts or anything.
I may not be a fan of everything republicans do as I’m not religious at all, and I’m from the city not the boonies, I’m not a huge tariff fan because I source products from china for my Amazon store etc.
However I would never ever ever ever vote for a democrat president unless they did a major shift away from all this liberal bullshit they are on right now.
This is the consequence of Rs winning gun owners 3:1 despite being almost strictly a resistor to bad policy. They don't have to deliver shit because they know they've got us on the plantation and we, as a group, can't credibly threaten to vote for Ds. I'm sure this time next week there will be rationalizations of this disrespect, or just outright forgetting it altogether.
God, dems need to get their heads out their asses on guns so they actually have to compete with good policy vs each other.
They're just in so deep into the BS that causes it and have too many people of high status who've made careers on this grif. I'm hoping that this new Abundance trend they're getting into makes them take a better look at how they approach gun law. Like w that Colorado bill last month, during the debate for that bill, one of the advocates admitted that their magazine capacity ban was totally worthless. Yet they never even thought to get rid of a useless rule. If that ain't a strong contender for the epitome of the Ds problem, then idk what is.
Made all of my calls and emails earlier today… Representatives, committees, everybody I could think of.
If they don’t get these things out now… They are never going to go
I am not surprised by this at all, thinking NFA items will ever be able to be bought OTC is crazy lol. Why would they give up their $200 extortion fee and get to put you on a list on top of it? The NFA works for the government they have to incentive to ever change anything. When has the government ever given gun rights? They tolerate the ones we have and look for ways to shoot them down after election season.
With that being said I’ll take Trump and no progress on the NFA items ownership vs the rainbow gestapo coming door to door to do compliance checks, magazine bans, rifle bans, brace bans, gun stores being put out of business over paperwork typos, ammunition purchasing limits, may issue concealed permits, frt / ss bans, red flag laws, and eventually outright gun bans like what Canada just recently did pretty much.
I wish there was a serious 3rd party that made everybody happy but the way it’s set up I will take republicans for gun rights any day of the week.
Democrats are 10x worse by far and it’s not even close. If Kamala won this last election they would have been beating our heads in a lot worse right now guaranteed.
You wouldn’t even be thinking about a bill like this that’s facts, it would be more along the lines of the Harris admin just banned any magazine fed rifle and pistol magazines over 10 rounds because you should be John wick when you are in a self defense incident and hit every single shot, fuck the fact there may be more than one person, maybe there’s 5 people breaking into your house tonight instead. I mean who needs those extra rounds just incase.
Let Biden tell it you go walk outside like the terminator when they are trying to break in and blast off two shots in the air from the 12 gauge as warning shots and the criminals who may or may not have Glocks with switches or a Draco with a 100 rd drum on it on them are going to hear the warning shots and take off. Not like people ever get into shootouts or anything.
I may not be a fan of everything republicans do as I’m not religious at all, and I’m from the city not the boonies, I’m not a huge tariff fan because I source products from china for my Amazon store etc.
However I would never ever ever ever vote for a democrat president unless they did a major shift away from all this liberal retarded shit they are on right now.
Not surprised. It’s non stop with these people. Doesn’t matter how much control republicans have they just want to maintain the status quo then let democrats strip our rights away so they can point a finger and promise to restore them if we vote for them…again. Fuck em both at this point.
bingo. I really wish a bill like this was my biggest concern right now.
I'll fight tooth and nail for my firearms but at the end of the day if I have to choose between being able to to access healthcare and being able to carry a gun, the choice is pretty obvious.
If problems are solved, no more campaign talking points. If no more campaign talking points, people realize how fucking useless the power brokers are and…well…
I often (but not always) vote third party. They don't have a snowball's chance in hell until the masses wake up and see that they just keep dividing us, but I have hope that enough people will eventually get there.
Yep. Bill Hicks, another great comedian of the Carlin era and style, had a line expressing the same idea. “ ‘Well the puppet on the left shares my beliefs.’ ‘The puppet on the right is more to my liking’ Hey wait it’s one guy holding them both up!”
Amen and here here brother.
Every election of my adult life, I've looked at both sides and EVERY damn time I ask - "Is this the best we can do. F that's sad..."
Can’t wait for this to be reposted over and over for the next few weeks to try and convince us the party that [reintroduces a federal AWB every year](https://mcbath.house.gov/press-releases?ID=DFD4E28E-BB6D-45C7-8AE3-130625FC3FEE) is better for gun rights.
It's just authoritarianism with another flavor and less food.
Sadly the uniparty of American politics is firmly authoritarian and far closer to each other than most are willing to admit, but communism is not the answer.
thank you for telling me your only exposure to communist theory is through the absolute stupidest forms of propaganda. here's what the CIA had to say about Soviet diets to help you with that.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP84B00274R000300150009-5.pdf
in case you have trouble reading, that says the soviets had as much food available to them and consumed as much as Americans did.
Thank you for telling me you have no relatives or friends who've lived under Communism or Socialism.
I'm sure all those people in Ukraine died because they had an abundance of food.
I'm sure all those people in China starved because the abundance of food.
I reiterate, out of here with that communist bullshit.
you mean the people who felt life was better under communism and that the transition to capitalism fucked them over?
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/can-europe-make-it/communist-nostalgia-in-eastern-europe-longing-for-past/
This all started with Wayne Pepe la pew who what the fuck ever that priss mother fuckers last name is. We had an organization that had the funds to act and didn’t. Thank god for FPC and real groups like it. We could have had these bills lobbied in a heartbeat but Wayne wanted to shop on Rodeo. Oh and his wife is a better shot. They went on one of those super rich people exotic hunts and were provided everything including multiple guides. Took him 5 shots after wounding the animal. His wife smoked the elephant first try.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha all the rubes that thought they would be any different. They don’t want us peasants having easy access to anything.
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