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Shadow Systems talked smack about Ransom Rests - wow, THAT was a mistake. MR920 gets spanked by an RXM and Hi-Point lol.

Posted by JimMarch@reddit | Firearms | View on Reddit | 12 comments

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ThinLineDefenseCO@reddit

I don't care about Shadow systems but I've found the ranson rest accuracy test to be the dumbest series of tests I've ever done. It records what a gun does when it no one is touching it.... But it's performance when being held is completely different These tests are also insanely easy to manipulate. Be very careful giving a shit about this
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EsotericAbstractIdea@reddit

There doesn't seem to be a better way to get an objective, "this is how accurate the gun itself is" measurement that isn't tainted by the shooter's ability with a particular gun. Like sure, no human will ever shoot as good as a ransom rest, but that's the point. How else will you know if it's you or the gun that is the problem?
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ThinLineDefenseCO@reddit

I just think it's insanely stupid. If it shoots accurately when no one holds it... How does that help you know what it does when someone IS holding it? It's bafflingly dunb
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EsotericAbstractIdea@reddit

If it shoots bad with nobody holding it, in CANNOT shoot good with someone holding it
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ThinLineDefenseCO@reddit

But what if it does.... Does the fact that it shoots poorly when it's locked in place matter? It's a stupid test for stupid people.. I'm sorry
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EsotericAbstractIdea@reddit

Yes it matters. And no you don't shoot better than a ransom rest. Think about what you are saying. You're saying that a jittery blob of meat can hold something more still than heavy steel bolted to a stationary object. That's crazy
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Plenty_Pack_556@reddit

I think I understand what you mean. "It's not the tool, it's the user."
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glockster19m@reddit

What're you even talking about The mechanical accuracy of a gun is absolutely better measured when it's in a fixed position than in someone's hand with 1000 variables outside the mechanical accuracy of the gun If a gun is perfectly accurate it should be putting every round through the exact same hole when mounted stationary
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JimMarch@reddit (OP)

Obviously, how well your body interacts with the gun matters too. That means the sights, trigger and grip ergonomics are all critical. But. None of that will matter if the core mechanical accuracy is mediocre at best. If you have a gun with sloppy internals you put a great grip, sight and trigger package on it, you're still putting lipstick on a pig. These guys can tell you what the basic mechanical accuracy of the gun is. Yes, that still matters.
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mtcwby@reddit

Don't know anything about Shadow systems but you'd think they'd be smarter about stuff like that. A 15 yd group like that pattern that was shot and the failure to come into battery should have had them doing a mea culpa and fixing the gun. That kind of reputation follows you around until the company is gone.
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Real_Mila_Kunis@reddit

Shadow Systems guns are absolute trash, always have been. The owner of the company explained to a buddy that Blazer Brass is crap ammo and that’s why his MR920 is shredding the jacket and shooting shotgun patterns into targets
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Spydude84@reddit

Bubba out back probably shot the gun and the handling was enough to get it to slip back into battery. SS definitely has a QC problem that they try to pretend is actually because of very high quality.
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