Blue thunder was first, the Airwolf producers stole the idea, and Airwolf killed Blue Thunder before it could gain traction. Same exact ideas, two different aircraft. Both are great shows, but Airwolf should've altered their idea quite a lot to have stood out enough for Blue Thunder to have also survived as a series. Fans of Airwolf should watch the movie Blue Thunder and some of the series, just to see for themselves.
Blue Thunder originated the idea, and one of the plot points was that the helicopter was funded by DARPA, which is funded by the DoD, which means it recieved military budget allotment also. Watch the movie and watch Airwolf, and tell me how either one is that different from one another, because there isn't much difference between them, aside from cast and machines. Otherwise, it's the same ideas, almost verbatim.
I consider Iron Eagle 2 the worst movie I've ever seen. For the 15 minutes before I stopped.
Just mentioning the original sent shivers down my back. Thanks for the PTSD relapse.
For a while, if you asked Alexa to play *Hide in the Rainbow* by Dio, she would play *Road of the Gypsy* by Adrenaline. While very much not what I asked for, I had to admire the troll.
Oh you mean the unlimited bombs he had to take on an entire country with an F-16? Or the weird patriotic lines like talking up Ronald Regan as “Ronnie Raygun?”
Ronnie Raygun was an insult, stemming from that whole 'Star Wars' thing where people weren't entirely sure he didn't think there were actual sci-fi blasters that he could put on satellites.
The way they used it in the movie not so sure.
> Oh, no, that was different. Mr. Peanut was in charge back then. Now we got this guy in the oval office who don’t take shit from no gimpy little countries. Why you think they call him Ronnie Ray-Gun?
Now I'm sitting here wondering about the lowest altitude crash. I know it's not so much related to the joke you made, but there are so many places on earth that are below sea level, there has to be some specific plane crash that happened at a lowest point.
There are many places on earth FAR below sea level. Lowest being the dead sea and it's shore, being more than 400m below sea level...
But Google didn't come up with any plane crashes in the dead sea.
You do know when F-22s and F35s do those crazy maneuvers at time when they hang in the air it’s from thrust vectoring. Shoot when the F35 VTOL transitions from a vertical take off to flight the wing is not producing lift and is stalled until a certain speed.
Sir, the plane in the video is a F-4 phantom
Its a jet designed in the 50s
Trust vectoring only for manuverability simply was a thing untill the 80s
F-15 STOL/MTD is the first aircraft that had it, its first flight was 30 years after the first flight of the f4 and less then 10 years before the f4 was ritered from combat survice in the us
Sir I’m quite aware of that and the plane in the video. The point I’m trying to make out to you is with enough thrust with modern example of planes with the F-4 being no exception it is quite literally possible to power out of a stall even regardless of thrust vectoring.
It didnt get into a stall in the first place?
I dont see any loss of altitude that would have resulted with the loss of lift due to a stall
Even then its not on afterburner and with such an angle?
Getting out of a stall with these parameters?
The wing would have to support at least 60% of the planes weight (assumeing 45° angle and the fact that it was climbing )
Possibly or possibly not. You keep alluding alway from point even if it was stalled the wing you know it can power out of it. With these fighters (even these old ones since you keep getting technical) they won’t loose altitude in a stall with enough engine power. Hence why they can climb vertical…
My point is that this figbter just cant do this....
You are talking about examples which simply dont apply
No this cant climb verticle its twr is 0.86 at afterburner power
No its not "even the old ones"
Every comment you make make me think you dont know what we are talking about
In car terms its like comparing the stability and power of a ww2 to a modern truck with traction control, computer controled engine , etc
Remember you are saying that a 68 year old plane can do the same as a 27 year old
No you cant do the same as a 1.2* twr with 0.86 twr
You talk much but most of it is that some planes can, some planes can go mach 3, we are not talking about such planes, we are talking about the f4 phantom
A late 50s aircraft
Bro, go read Fighter Combat by Robert Shaw and maybe come back. No offense, but you have no idea about the actual aerodynamics that is happening here.
Things a fucking flying brick and you're talking about vectoring thrust? GTFO All we're worried about is the wing stalling due to accelerated wing-loading.
Thats not what an accelerated stall means. Its about An increased load factor, which causes a stall to take place at a higher airspeed (accelerated airspeed). The increased load factor is due to the hard pull up and the bank he’s in before he starts the correction.
He definitely mashed the throttle well before they scraped some tail cone paint on the runway... but as you said those puppies don't respond quickly. Betting he wishes he'd mashed the throttles forward about 5 seconds earlier!
Actually, I was testing if I could spell it.
But, given the amount of back stick he was applying, the tail cone might well have been lower than the tailplane tips.
As per u/erhue
>According to the J79 manual for the F-4C, the engine takes approximately 1 second to accelerate from idle to 90% RPM, and then another 2 seconds to go from 90% to 100% RPM.
J79 Turbojet Spool-Up Time
Summary:
The General Electric J79 turbojet engine, widely used in aircraft such as the F-4 Phantom II, is known for its relatively rapid throttle response compared to earlier jet engines. However, the exact spool-up time-the time it takes to accelerate from idle to maximum thrust-varies depending on conditions and throttle setting.
Detailed Spool-Up Timing:
According to the J79 manual for the F-4C, the engine takes approximately 1 second to accelerate from idle to 90% RPM, and then another 2 seconds to go from 90% to 100% RPM.
Therefore, the total time from idle to full military power (100% RPM) is about 3 seconds under standard conditions.
This fast throttle response was a significant advantage for pilots, as the J79 was specifically noted for its ability to "spool up quickly for its immediate throttle responses".
According to the J79 manual for the F-4C, the engine takes approximately 1 second to accelerate from idle to 90% RPM, and then another 2 seconds to go from 90% to 100% RPM.
Worth noting that RPM and thrust are very nonlinearly correlated. 90% RPM is likely only around 60% thrust.
good observation. I made some estimates based on some data available and thrust at 90% rpm (1 second in) is about 66%, and thrust at 93% rpm (2 seconds in) is about 76%.
However, these are estimates for ground idle, where rpm is 65% of max rpm. In flight, idle rpm is 84% of max rpm. So it's likely the engine accelerates faster.
Also the J79 in the F-4C was a much earlier version than this F-4E has.
If anyone really wants to dive into the weeds on this, here is some mind numbing engineering information: [https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=kZnVU2VZ3jUQji5iaE8obXrXLyCPfRvVkHV0](https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=kZnVU2VZ3jUQji5iaE8obXrXLyCPfRvVkHV0)
Just curious to know (I am not in the military). Would that type of 'work related injury' entitle you to some kind of financial compensation / higher retirement pension? Sorry if it sounds like a joke in case you get nothing; I guess soldiers – regardless of what country their serve – cannot claim against injuries sustained during their duties? I know the ones who served during the nuclear tests / Agent Orange / depleted uranium shells / Gulf Syndrome years are still struggling to have their claims recognized to this day.
The [Troop Jump Door](https://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed-martin/aero/documents/sustainment/ACS-Product-Cards/23-14239-005_ParatroopWindow_ProductCard.pdf) sits just aft of the main gear. On landing, the flare of the aircraft means the rear mains hit first. The C-130, meant made rugged and able to land virtually anywhere, is often landed in a much harder and more violent manner than commercial planes. It compresses the discs in your back.
Those engines spool up quicker than anything else short of a piston engine. They take only one second from idle to mil power provided they are GE J79s, dunno about the spool up time of the Rolls Royce Spey.
Look for AgentJayZ on YouTube and pick one of his many J79 afterburner test run videos, those things are quick.
The bypass ratio of the J79 is exactly zero.
Fun fact, they were used on airliners, on the Convair 880 and 990, minus the afterburners but with the incredible noise and smoke. Might be the reason they are still the fastest airliners.
I am by no means an expert but I do trust my ears: that thrust lever is all the way forward from the first second to the last, that pitch doesn't change for shit except as it gets doppler'd
Should be higher. Lotta comments mentioning the engine spooling and whatnot but ground effect absolutely put a sweet cushion right between the plane and the ground
I remember reading that pilots referred to the F4 as the triumph of thrust over aerodynamics and saying that if you pushed the plane sideways through the air you wouldn’t notice the difference in flight performance.
I'll add that domestically they get the plans for all the parts and can try to find a manufacturer to re-make the specified widget.
But good luck finding a company that re-tool for however that widget is made, only to find out that the sub parts don't exist any more either.
We have a section of the DoD who's entire job is wrapped up in finding/making parts for these older planes.
Ground Effect *really* over-simplified is basically that an "air-cushion" of sorts is formed by the increased pressure air being squished between the plane and the ground.
It is debated that this is actually how the Spruce Goose got off the water, and didn't technically fly.
Check out the Soviet-era Caspian Sea monster as an example of an aircraft designed specifically to operate utilizing Wing-in-Groud-effect.
There's been a modern design for a small 10-20 passenger coastal plane punted around for the last several decades. I distantly recall hearing about it a bit in the mid-90s. Mind you I was early teens at the time, so my dates might be wrong.
> It is debated that this is actually how the Spruce Goose got off the water, and didn't technically fly
Flying using ground effect is still flying. Why wouldn't that count?
At least in Finland ground effect vehicles are not classified as planes but boats, so technically a 15 year old with no license could operate a 24 meter ground effect vehicle legally
Thanks! There's also AirFish. I feel like there was one of a different name from the 90s, but maybe it was the AirFish... they all mirror roughly the same design.
Also why it feels like it takes longer to touchdown than it should when you take a commercial flight. That ground affect means you have more lift close to the ground until you scrub off some more speed
Ground effect is when a wing is very close to a surface (usually the ground), which causes it to interfer with the wing's air flow, which causes additional lift.
It's the minimum altitude you set when training that you pretend is the ground, so if something goes wrong you go through an imaginary boundary instead of crashing.
Aircraft experience an increase in lift within close proximity to the ground. This is the “ground effect”. Here that extra little help might have saved the aircraft.
There was a helicopter crash in the Philippines a couple of decades ago where they took off and immediately went past a cliff and lost ground effect. Brutal way to teach the witnesses why it matters (no fatalities thankfully)
Because elite fighter pilots almost always think they can save it. Killed 3 of my dads mates in the 80s. Always said their ego often gets the better of them and that you can only, “tie the record” for lowest altitude (zero), can’t beat it. I do know there are areas that are below sea level but those are exceptions
“Think I can make it in between there?”
“Nope.”
“Oh, ye of little faith”
[*doesn’t fit through there*](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pVksKfBwORs&pp=ygUTaGVsaWNvcHRlciBoaXQgdHJlZQ%3D%3D)
Literally one of the most common videos that are referenced when we are going NOE.
It will never not be a part of our psyche in our heads when we go below the trees.
Culture has changed a bit and more people are willing to speak up and call out a stupid idea. Fully convinced it has saved alot of aircrew lives. Too many variables at play to risk a $30mil aircraft and two pilots just to be below the trees for a few extra seconds.
CRM for the win baby 😎 Still boggles my mind that a South Korean captain once backhanded his first officer for speaking up. I get the culture difference and everything but Christ
Korean Air had some of the worst company culture ever in the industry. Their lack of CRM was so egregious they were ranked the most dangerous airline in the late 90s. Now it seems like the culture has been fixed, but it's crazy how scared F/Os were of Captains.
I just watched The Rehersal by Nathan Fiedler on HBO and they go over this exact same problem. How the first captain doesn’t want to speak up to the pilot and how it’s resulted in numerous airplane crashes over the years. Definitely worth a watch.
I was about to bring that up! It’s supposed to be a weekly episode release, and since that first episode, the next one is overdue. This is pure speculation, but I wonder if E2 is late due to airline industry pushback. They saw the first episode and shit their pants a bit.
The episodes release every Sunday I believe. I just started E2 last night. I’m assuming the whole season has already been filmed but you can already see United Airlines giving pushback in E1 with the media rep not wanting to go any further with Nathan’s requests.
Yea sorry it's a little deep: The Rehearsal Season 2 is a ridiculous HBO show about a comedian, Nathan Fielder, teaching copilots to speak up to their superiors to prevent aviation disasters. Fielder famously "graduated from one of Canada's top business schools with really good grades."
You should check out the new season of Nathan Fielder’s ‘The Rehearsal’ this season seems to be all about copilots who aren’t scared to call out a captain’s mistakes because it historically leads to accidents if they don’t.
Non-flying pilot should’ve been more assertive once he realized the flying pilot was exhibiting terrible judgment and accepting unnecessary risk.
The referenced incident has been played during just about every CRM training I’ve attended.
>and it appears they do indeed land it.
I mean, they're landing one way or the other. Gravity ain't a kind mistress.
But yes they made it out safely (physically, God knows what the command did).
I believe what happened was the pilot had made it through before. Then he served at another post. When he came back a few years later the trees had grown.
Thank you for this. I watch this video a couple times a year and I'm always asking my friends stupid questions and using that response when they say no.
I watched it once and thought "surely this is a weird angle and he didn't get that close". On second watch I thought "does this guy think he's Maverick? Unless he's MEANT to do that, why didn't he eject?"
I read your comment and that makes total sense now.
Indeed. See the Shoreham Disaster, UK - crash during an air show. Overly confident ex-fighter pilot tried to loop too low and slammed into a major road on top of cars. 11 killed. Absolutely tragic.
To be clear, anyone not already dead simply hasn’t died yet. They’ve survived everything thrown at them until that point, so why not the thing that kills them?
I recall a crash where the pilot was practicing for an airshow and did one too many descending turns. The plane landed and slid along the ground but he never punched out. Possibly (partial?) gloc. Probably looked a lot like this. With the condition of the plane afterwards, it had near-zero vertical velocity when it hit.
F/A-18 Hornet at El Toro MCAS circa 1990. It was at the airshow. He started his loop too low, when he was rounding out and going wings level at the bottom he pancaked into the runway. He lived, but injured his spine in the mishap.
A lot of people think 0-0 seats will get you out of every situation, for the interested folks there is a really interesting video on YouTube called Ejection Vectors.
Yes, zero/zero means the seats will just barely work if the plane is on the ground with zero negative vertical velocity. Hence, zero altitude and zero negative velocity. If the plane's in a descent, the situation changes!
Not so obvious, Petunia. OP will check his logbook to see how much “ejection seat time” he has, having flown a Hornet in and out of combat and having suffered lots of cats & traps, but the ejection decision is sort of a holy-shit moment that is not based upon the disco charts that we see in the back of the manual, but in the split-second gut-level moment that we all cannot predict and hope we never face. Good luck in your flying.
I got it wrong then. As a fellow ejection driver (no combat time for me yet) I’ll probably also pull the handle if I have the O shit moment like you said. I fly a jet with a real dogshit seat. For us if you consider going with a sink rate and/or bank at low altitude you go splat. Gotta decide super early or ride it out. I figured an F4 would have a somewhat bad seat also but I may be completely wrong.
I think I'd have done the same. But it also depends what seat he was in though. Some of the older ones and you're that low, with that much sink rate, the seat still wouldn't have saved you.
I wouldn't have. Not because I wanted to save the aircraft, but because my butthole would have puckered so hard it would have had such a tight grip on the airframe that it would have over powered the rockets.
I've been trying to figure out *just* how close.
And this is far more fucked up than I think anyone realizes.
***Based on my geolocation of the footage, this appears to have happened at the main airport in North Cyprus: Ercan International.***
The key to locating the footage is the white cylinder-shaped structure in the distance at the beginning of the video.
If you use street or satellite view to look at the other airfield in North Cyprus, Gecitkale, you can see that there are no structures nearby the ends of the runways at Gecitkale, let alone any white cylinder-shaped ones.
However, if you look at the satellite view of Ercan, you can see singular white structures at the corners of the airfield. This would match the footage to Ercan.
Additionally, Gecitkale seems to have vegetation of various levels around it. Ercan and the footage do not.
As for *where* at Ercan, you can see in the video that the terrain in the distance is relatively flat with no clusters of buildings.
Based on that, it would seem to be the southeast corner of the airport, somewhere around [here](https://www.google.com/maps/place//@35.1451781,33.5262517,377m/). Probably from the concrete pad between the two runways and the cameraman is looking almost due west over the end of the new runway being built in satellite photos.
Enabling the terrain map would show that off that end of the airport, there is a downward slope that goes down to a creek. It looks like there was probably *some* room over there, but the perspective of the camera makes it look far more close.
Thank you! But I will admit that it wasn't *too* hard to do. I've gotten pretty decent at geolocating footage since the Feb 2022 invasion.
And on top of that, there are only two airports in all of North Cyprus which makes things pretty easy.
This was far, *far* more easy than something like trying to figure out something like which small Ukrainian hamlet an SU-34 was shot down over based on powerline direction of travel relative to the placement of the sun in the sky haha.
The only countries that sell us military stuff is, Italy, Uk, Spain and South Korea. Only South Korea is producing fighter jets, but they are ITAR regulated (Lockheed asistance and american engine)
I will tell you this, I stood at about three meters from F-4 while its two engines test ran at 100%. I felt my internal organs vibrating. With earplugs and soundproof earmuffs, it was still loud.
I used to go to airshows where dozens of these exact F4’s would do low flybys with afterburners on. I still remember how the ground was shaking it was such a cool thing to witness.
It's not a near accident, just an older pilot flying. Its true they were not level, but what they did is called a "touch and go." I was stationed at an F4 base in the early 80s, and pilots would do this regularly when they were getting their flying hours in.
Few questions , why would they need to do a touch and go to get hours ? Do they need a certain amount of landings and take offs too ? Would just flying in a straight line and back or in a circle give the same amount of hours ?
Part of a pilot getting their requisite hours is performing various maneuvers, of which the touch and go is one of them. Other examples would be flying in formation or landing & taking off side by side. That latter one was one of my favorites because I loved seeing them do that. And to be clear, each pilot was only flying a few hours at a time. But the base I was at had multiple squadrons of F4s, so there was constant activity on the runway.
If only there was a way for a phone to capture horizontal movement better. Like a sideways view? Dunno, but I hope the phone manufacturers look into this.
I always thought that was because the pilots hated it, what with it not being targeted at a particular mission but being a jack of all trades, but somebody on here claimed to be a pilot and said they all loved it. Perhaps it was the earlier version they didn't like and the aeronautics were improved, but the nick name stuck?
Pilots loved it, but compared to earlier generation jets it wasn't sleek or stylish. Beauty is obviously in the eye of the beholder, but the looking at the Phantom compared to its predecessors was like marrying a square-jawed mid-West farm girl after only ever dating California beach girls. There's nothing wrong with square-jawed Mid-West farm girls, and she'd make a great wife and in the right light can be physically attractive enough - but when did anyone write a song that went "I wish they all could be mid-West farm girls"?
It also wasn't a good plane for the type of combat they were flying into. It was a lot bigger and a lot more powerful, but got out-rated by the MiGs it was against.
At the academy we had static displays of the F-4, F-15, F-16, and F-105 right outside the dorms. The phantom was always my favorite, such a huge airplane with 2 massive engines and the woodland camp paint. What a badass plane.
Exactly. We called it the "flying brick" in the AF. They still had a few flying when I was working on F-16s. The FCF from a F-4 was kinda pathetic when you regularly see F-16s do it. F-16 locks wheels, full afterburner, takes off about 1/3 the way down the runway, stays 20' off deck, full burner to EOR then straight up until you can't see it anymore. The F-4, same routine but starts to move slowly, watching it with a grimace hoping it gets off the ground before EOR, max climb is like, I mean it's going up, but just. Still ripping loud from 3 miles out so it has that going for it.
We called it the "lead sled". They were phased out by the time I was in, but we had a bunch of decommissioned aircraft in the range yard. Any chance you were at Cannon?
In the early 80s I was a passenger in a 747 taxiing towards the reef runway at Honolulu.
Two or three F-4s departed before us. The sound was incredible \*inside\* the 747. Those things were loud as hell.
We'd see a couple Phantoms fly over pretty often in primary school. It would be so hard to track them in the sky from a classroom window. By the time you heard them it was almost too late.
the air guard base/airport where i grew up has lifesize displays of the f4 and f16 (replaced our f4s in the late 80s i'm gonna say), and yes exactly - they are huge and impressive. and LOUD
I was fortunate enough to be involved in flight testing the QF-16 at WSMR a number of years back. Most days, I got to see QF-4s flying along side our QF-16s, with F-22s and Luftwaffe Tornados flying around in the background.
One of my favorite memories was when we were launching an unmanned QF-16 and we had a QF-4 (manned) as a chase plane. The chase plane would take off first and circle around as the test aircraft started it's takeoff roll. We all stood at the end of the droneway and watched in excitement as the pilotless QF-16, representing countless hours of our work, rolled down the droneway for the first time... forgetting about the QF-4 that had been circling around. I'm pretty sure the pilot knew we weren't paying attention because he buzzed the droneway about 50 ft off the deck at several hundred knots, both J-79s in full AB, and scared the shit out of all of us.
It. Was. Fucking. Awesome.
My dad's coworker flew Phantoms, chilliest dude you'd ever meet. I guess everything is chill after you survive all the creative ways those things plotted to kill pilots.
Yeah, see you have room to talk. Just by looking at your comment history I'd know that you are at least into aviation. I-LOVE-TURTLES666 on the other hand is into F1 memes and PC modding...
Also things I like, but my BS-o-meter says he isn't a good source for aviation judgments...
Poor skill or some sort of miscalculation of weight because of drop tanks maybe?? It seems like he wanted to start climbing one second earlier with full throttle but somehow it is not happening and the plane keeps going down for one more second.
I guessing pulling off such an extreme maneuver would be difficult even for a light weight fighter like F-16. I mean, not crashing with such a huge, heavy and old fighter? Ngl, I'm impressed even it was dangerous 😳
> Poor skill or some sort of miscalculation of weight because of drop tanks maybe?
That’s not a possibility. It’s a skill issue.
> but somehow it is not happening and the plane keeps going down for one more second.
Because he got too slow when he tried to do this turn, and he didn’t have anywhere near enough lift.
> I guessing pulling off such an extreme maneuver would be difficult even for a light weight fighter like F-16.
Probably not because a modern fighter wouldn’t let you get that slow on accident, and they have way more thrust to power out of a situation like that.
> Ngl, I'm impressed even it was dangerous 😳
The same way you’d be impressed if someone swerved into oncoming traffic and “skillfully” managed to dodge 10 cars before spinning off onto the shoulder.
You're probably right sir, I haven't fly an aircraft before. But just as a reminder, this footage from an air show. I've watched this exact aircraft before and if he didn't make that mistake he was going to start climbing just one second earlier; so, the original move is not such a close call but a similar extreme low altitude sharp turn.
If this wasn't a mistake, he was gonna start climbing one second earlier. It's not like he lost 100ft and nearly crashed. This is an air show and this aircraft performed extremely sharp turns before. I don't what happened here exactly but yeah this was really a dangerous close call.
if you think that trained fighter pilots are meant to almost kill themselves AND lose a multi million dollar aircraft that isnt easily replaceable, then i have a bridge to sell you.
Calling people redditors for having common thought is ridiculous......
These are what Iran uses. There’s a funny story online of our pilots trolling a couple Iranian pilots with our high tech planes. F4 pilots didn’t even know they were flying right under them.
For anyone who makes the mistake of conflating deck angle with angle of attack, this video's first few seconds displays the sometimes vast difference between the two. The F'4's deck angle was positive long before the aircraft's angle of attack finally turned from negative to positive.
The angle of attack is the angle of the wing's path to the horizontal movement of the air. The deck angle is of course the angle of the aircraft's centerline to the horizontal movement of air. Many a pilot of a high performance jet has died because while he corrected the deck angle to remain aloft, the aircraft's angle of attack was unable to go from the descent to the climb in time to avoid the crash.
This F-4 pilot got about as close to the brink as one can get without suffering the crash. I'm sure it was a harrowing experience for him.
Yeah it was occupied to stop Greeks from ethnically cleansing Turks from island. Who told you to unite the island with Greece? Who violated tripartitate agreement between GR TR and UK? Who committed Bloody Christmas and kick started the mess? Well it was not Turks.
You sound like Putin with his excuses. You ethnically cleansed 200.000 people and many more Turks died as result of your actions. Not even your friends agree with your point of view, they all seem you for what you are. War criminals
I know [stab](https://www.theautopian.com/how-i-got-my-navy-callsign-by-shitting-myself-in-an-f-a-18-fighter-jet-twice/)
But I have been trying to think what acronym for shitting yourself in this situation is and can't, please explain
I know... I know.. I am I'm disbelief I can't get this... Like just the ones with puma written on the bum? Not an acronym for like pooped upside my airplane or something
Lol yeah I think I just over thought. I was like there more to just the text on the bum like juicy/puma
Omg
I'm going to wake up and take a shower all the while sighing and muttering come on brain why you do this to me
I was lucky enough to shoot pics at the French fighter pilot school and heard the whole briefing of the VIP guy who was to go on a flight on one of the Pilatus PC21, they said something along the lines that you'd better be quick with the bag in case you felt like vomiting, because if anything spilled in the cockpit they had to take everything apart to clean it. Looks like this F4 is grounded for a while :D
We had an F15 pilot called Bondo....I'm not sure exactly the story behind it, but he once pulled handles after clipping wings with an F16 in Alaska, and we used to joke that "God saw a dent in the mountain and tried to smear some bondo into it". From what I remember of the dude, he was a pretty decent pilot....just had some bad luck that day. He came out fine though.
Not in a foreign military like Cyprus. You should see how laughable horrible pilots from that area are—there are some excellent ones, but lots of nepotism hires.
Northern Cyprus which is a mostly unrecognized breakaway state which is largely guaranteed by Turkey, who happen to be one of the last operators of the phantom. You could also see the Turkish flag painted on the top of the body of the plane. Also Cyprus doesn't really have much of an airforce, no fighters to speak of.
A friend of mine that flew F4 wild weasels in the sandbox had a wing man whose callsign was Grazer. Guess how he got that name, something very similar happened to him.
For the very literal readers out there... "I meant to do that" is a tongue-in-cheek response when you barely survive a colossal FU of your own making.
I guess I'm old...
Reminds me of that SR-71 Blackbird story where they went to show off to some kids, but it was foggy and they nearly hit the deck and ended doing a massive afterburner thrust right next to where the kids were.
It wouldn't surprise me if folks are skeptical of the following but it is 100% true; I served on the USS Enterprise mid to late seventies and early on we had a Marine squadron of F-4's aboard. They were some of the last 'bridle aircraft ' still in use in the Navy (The Navy went to 'Nosetow' style aircraft after this).
The 'clamshell' capatult shuttle had a scoop like feature in front that you drape the center part of the bridle around then each end of the bridle has a machine formed loop that you hooked onto the hooks built into sides of the nose area of the plane. Install the holdback bar along with the proper Tbar (which are specifically designed to break at a certain force level - this keeps the plane in place while it's engines are spooling up in preparation for launch) Then the Retraction and Tension engine moves the shuttle a few inches forward to get everything nice and tight until the cat officer tells deckedge to launch. When deckedge hits the launch button it releases the pre staged volume/pressure of steam into the catapult launch tubes very rapidly which breaks the Tbar and the plane hauls ass 330 feet to the end of the cat where the water brakes stop the shuttle/pistons assembly immediately and safely. The R and T engine retracts the shuttle all the way back to the other end to do it all again.
If anyone is actually still reading this thanks! It's been a really long time since I've even thought about any of this stuff. I served one tour on the E as ships crew and my duty station was catapult number two -port side bow. Good times!
I'm more amazed that an F-4 is still actively used. My dad was at Wheelus before Gaddafi took over the country but shit was getting a little tense. Libyan forces, specifically Gadaffi and his crew, used to just roll up to the front gate doing all sorts of posturing, but they were all kinda complete fucking idiots.
The base commander just took the F4's and put them at the front gate since they didn't have anything beyond jeeps and rifles on the base for armaments. It kept them from coming back and trying to poke the bear.
Apparently they knew the Libyan forces would be scared off because they had no idea it couldn't even shoot the guns when it's turned off and no one is in the pilot seat.
Thanks for the description this is interesting I’ve always been fascinated by the catapult takeoff launchers even though i know very very little about aviation in general
If they'd just gone to Anne Hathaway's bf's planet to begin with, everyone would have survived, including that dude, cause they'd have gotten there before the rockslide.
Also, wild to think that the chick in the capsule that died on the water planet was only dead for like 10 mins before the crew showed up on account of the time dilation.
That went well. Almost pulled off this:- [Shoreham Air Show Crash](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvHplYmh2f8)
My second cousin was taking photos on that stretch of road and found himself surrounded by literal hell on earth.
Also, same family, had a 'bungee jump with rope too long incident' around the same time.
The PTSD was strong.
Many brave pilots share the record.
No matter how good you are, you can only share the record with them. You can't beat it.
>"How did my son die?"
>"Like a tent-peg ma'am."
>"What was ho doing when he died?"
>"About Mach 2"
Misjudged the rollout altitude at the end of a loop? Is that the cause of this? Would be interesting to see more of the vid prior to this.
Incredible recovery. This vid does not do justice to the sheer size of that thing which shows the power needed to.shove it back into the air after a close call like this.
Seeing it parked with humans in/near it gives it a sense of scale:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT61hhLiwUw7RfAQeiABQJA3a4Xem_0HGqmWIWKsU9HYQMHRIBoiOjOEzbt&s=10
yes the Turks modernised their Phantoms to be semi modern Bombers
almost the entire internals were replaced
ijrc the Greek also still have some in reserve
Let us see a different camera angle. It may not be as close as it appears. It could be the depth of field is off due to the telephoto lens used. He for sure is not hitting the ground and the lake bed is obviously crowned, giving the illusion of the aircraft skimming the ground.
I wondered the same. In the video it looks like the tail went *below* ground level: https://i.imgur.com/RdxItnS.png
So there's clearly a question of perspective here. Perhaps the lowest point was tens of meters above ground. Still very low, though!
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From the paint, the people and the very fact that it is recorded, I would say 99% chance this is an airshow. Pilot obviously miscalculated, but it's not like this would have been the first case of a jet hitting the ground at an airshow..
>>Homeboy should’ve punched out
Too late for that. It’s an F-4E, which uses a two-step ejection sequence. The backseater goes out first (otherwise rocket exhaust from the front seater would roast the backseater) , then the pilot. Which means if you’re too close to the ground there ain’t no punching out first, cause you’re still hitting the dirt before you get out (although the backseater might live to tell the tale.)
Wow. Anyone whose ran this beautiful beast in DCS knows the feeling. It's enormous, heavy and extremely powerful. An easy airplane to get away from you, I'd imagine.
It always sounds incredible too.
That was sheer fucking luck, anyone with their screws tight would have ditched or not even initiated the maneuver. You can be a bold pilot or an old pilot not both
Wait, people still fly Bricks?
Note: in the USMC back in the day, we called F-4's bricks (as in, give a brick enough thrust and it can fly) and F-18's lawn-darts.
Seriously, good recovery.
It's definitely a win. If he was recovering from an accident, all the more so. He lived. The plane is flying. If he was playing around, I'm glad he's alive, but don't think much of his judgement. I just know that if a us military pilot returns a plane with bits of tree branches in the tail, he'll get to discuss his future career in aviation with the boss. The one person I know that clipped some treetops flying around our west lost his wings. I met him while working in the accident investigation section for military aircrafts of Pratt&Whitney. He was a coworker.
I thought it was too...Idk...planned? If not...hell of a save. F4s are beasts, and there are some skilled fighter pilots out there. Can hear the turbo fans spool up just before the plane dips close to the ground.
In my experience, units have test pilots for checkout flights after major maintenance. They often do exhibition flights for local airshows. I worked at a depot that worked on F-18's, and the test pilot was frequently out practicing the F18 show routine and making the F-16 pilots jealous.
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I lived relatively close to Loring AFB in the 70s, our house was on top of a hill overlooking the Saint John river, which is the US border. One morning I'm having my coffee on the deck, when I hear an odd noise. Below me was an F4 lazily flying along the border.
When I was a kid the F-4 was the GOAT for me. It was fast, tough, flown by the air force, navy, and marines, not to mention serving in dozens of air forces around the world in almost every role imaginable. And it just looked bad ass.
My oldest brother worked on F4s in the 70s and early 80s. He liked to say that an F4 was proof that if you put big enough engines on it, you could make a brick fly. 😉
As is customary in the Middle East, in this video the pilot demonstrates his desire to be a tough guy. A completely unnecessary trick. I think he kept his hand on the trigger of the catapult until the last moment, and sweat was pouring down his back. And only after that, such people's brains turn on. I can imagine what kind of war it will be.
An F-4 is always about to crash, which is a result of the old adage, "with enough thrust, even a brick will fly". Source: my buddy who survived an F-4 runway excursion in St Louis.
I'm hoping there's a dip there that we can't see and that he had way more room than we think.
I'm being charitable. I think he was cleaning poo out of his flightsuit when he got back.
if only there was some other orientation you could hold your phone in so that more of the plane could be seen at one time. if only we had the technology to see more of a long, sideways object, just like modern science can do with a tall, up-and-down object.
Well, it's the MB H-7, so it's technically zero/zero. The problem is that it's an E model. Backseater goes first. So unless he pulls a LOT earlier, the pilot is toast regardless.
The maintenance team was all over the pilot’s underpants before they even looked at the plane ig - dude looked death in the eye and probably only realized 1500ms later
Without those fuel tanks I’d say he relied on the ground effect to bump him back in the air, the angle works.
But with those fuel tanks attached…. Damn…
Anyone have the story on this? I’m thinking this a remote piloted target drone being flown from the ground.
The control inputs are not smooth and it doesn’t seem like an area of the flight envelope where a pilot would find trouble. This type of ‘oh-shit’ recovery usually happens at the bottom of a loop that was started too low or without enough smash on (airspeed) …
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