Virginia Giuffre, Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein accuser, dies by suicide
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Grichnak@reddit
« From there, she said she was introduced to American financier Epstein and alleged years of abuse by him and his associates. Epstein took his own life in prison in 2019, where he was being held awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges.
He was previously convicted in 2008 for soliciting prostitution from a minor. »
Reminder that Jeffrey Epstein didn’t kill himself
No_Explanation_9087@reddit
There is something very silly about people who can say with so much certainty things they know nothing about. You could be right you could be wrong, but you should be able to acknowledge that rather than speaking as a matter of fact on something you definitely don't know for fact.
AlwaysLosingAtLife@reddit
Whatever you say generic autogenerated username u/[word][word]####
No_Explanation_9087@reddit
It's a shame no one wants to believe such a dude could just be a coward who didn't wanna face life in jail. Tbh Holywood and specific historical events have put us in a mindset of exciting conspiracy, always more fun to imagine a masked trained assassin sneaking into the cell, strangling him with a unique technique learned from the highest trained officers in Taiwan and sneaking out and then these rich dudes who were in on it laughing at how successful the project was. Tbh I prefer to enjoy these versions myself. Lemme go watch Sinners, my imagination needs fuel.
sulaymanf@reddit
The reality is that he had a prior suicide attempt, and he was moved into a suicide watch unit with bored guards who don’t pay attention and routinely falsified their watch record log to claim they’re checking in on everyone every few minutes. The jail had cameras that had broken long ago but didn’t want to spend budget money to fix them. Both the FBI and DOJ inspector general did their own independent investigations and found that they were just incompetent and tried to cover up the guards not doing their jobs.
SamuelClemmens@reddit
That is one way to spin it. "prior suicide attempt" as a phrasing of saying that people tried to kill him and make it look like a suicide.
Then he was put in a room with no working cameras and guards who all conveniently fell asleep. And every pathologist outside of the DoJ whose looked at it said the same thing "these words aren't self inflicted, this was murder".
Its up there with actually believing Russian oligarchs are falling out of windows. And hey, maybe one of them actually did. Maybe even TWO of them did.
But at some point taking the governments word for something they might be implicated in is just being gullible.
No_Explanation_9087@reddit
There is genuinely no way of convincing you otherwise about this and a lot of things judging by your post. I think a lot of what we are told is fact is bullshit hiding in our faces, I just don't understand why people are so sure the dude didn't take his own life
sulaymanf@reddit
Because people have a (false) mental image of how jails work, where there’s a guard watching every single active surveillance camera without even blinking and guards make rounds like clockwork and never get bored of the routine kr fib on their paperwork. Also every jail is state of the art without fail and anything broken is fixed within minutes due to their unparalleled budget.
SamuelClemmens@reddit
Ya, it all can happen.
But all of it happening to the same guy, who has dirt on MULTIPLE high ranking world government officials, TWICE in a row with the second time being successful and him saying the first time was an attempted assassination?
Sure thing.
One Russian Oligarch falling out a window is a tragedy and likely an accident. When it keeps happening you have to be a special kind of gullible to keep taking the government's word for it.
No_Explanation_9087@reddit
Now two things can be true. If I was Epstein I'd probably wanna find a way to get out of the situation, whether making a plea to get out early or taking my life. If I'm the people he had dirt on I want him dead or sworn to silence for sure. Dead preferably. I just don't see how they could hide such a high profile person's murder within a jail system that has so many cameras. Might be naive but I just don't get it
Fartbottler@reddit
The cameras weren’t working
sulaymanf@reddit
That’s also one way to spin it. You’re trying to add sinister motives when the reality is that these are incompetent government workers who neglected their job for ages and ages until a VIP died on their watch. The pathologists have said that his fractured hyoid bone can happen from suicide or murder, he tied sheets together and jumped off the bunk to hang himself which can cause that injury.
Don’t tie various conspiracy theories together or you’ll drive yourself crazy. Boeing and Epstein are not related and they don’t prove your point.
SamuelClemmens@reddit
The problem is, even if you buy the "perfect storm" theory...
Perfect storms don't hit twice in a row in quick succession with the guy in question (who has dirt on multiple current and former world leaders) saying the first time was an attempted assassination and the final wounds looking identical to murder not suicide.
One Russian Oligarch falling out of a window is likely an accident. When they start racking up you have to be gullible not to attribute foul play even if the government super pinky swears they didn't do it.
sulaymanf@reddit
It wasn’t a perfect storm. The cameras were broken for ages. Guards routinely falsified their logs because they were lazy. This wasn’t just some fluke on just one night. It was a broken system.
This is not anything like Russian oligarchs dying.
It’s like you didn’t read the inspector general report.
SamuelClemmens@reddit
It’s like you didn’t read the inspector general report
sulaymanf@reddit
At this point it’s not worth continuing with you since you’re not even listening or trying to argue with anything I’m saying.
Do you even know what a “perfect storm” is? It’s when rare factors line up just right to create a catastrophic outcome. The cameras were routinely broken, it wasn’t a rare event. Guards were routinely skipping the every 30 minute checks on inmates and checking the boxes on the log without actually looking inside cells, it wasn’t just on August 10. The same issue cropped up in New York State jails and prisons, guards on night shift get lazy and lie about doing their jobs, pretty much in any job. Ask any security guard company. The report estimates that he was dead for at least 2 hours by the time guards noticed.
The government didn’t want to admit that their federal jail was just shoddy and tried to suppress that part of the report by claiming that disclosing this scandal to the public would undermine the jail security. It’s not impossible that he was murdered, albeit unlikely, but if you’re going to pretend that a suicide is impossible or less likely of the options then you’re going based on vibes and not actual evidence.
SamuelClemmens@reddit
You use the phrase "listening to me" to mean it in the way a child needs to listen to a parent but think you are using it to mean the way one person hears the point the other is making it, thinking you are being reasonable when you aren't.
I have heard your points and note you keep cutting down the number of coincidences so it stops being obvious and starts being reasonable.
The cameras being down and the guards being asleep? Sure, two things can go wrong at once. Happens all the time, even to VIP "clients".
But that the wounds look like murder not suicide? Three things. Said VIP saying they tried to kill him the day before? Four things.
All those same things happening multiple times? Double to 8 things.
You point out two things going wrong being reasonable to assume its a coincidence (which it is) and ignore it isn't two things that had to hit for this to be a perfect storm, its a vastly larger number of coincidences.
You aren't listening to either yourself or me in either context of the word listen.
sulaymanf@reddit
I’m a doctor; those wounds are consistent with suicide.
You have no expert knowledge of murder wounds versus suicide wounds, and as such the majority of pathologists including multiple official investigations and autopsies have determined that these were a suicide. You’re again cherry picking which experts to trust and dismissing the majority expert opinion based on your amateur understanding of the evidence. If, say hyoid fractures are only in 30% of suicides, it doesn’t mean the suicide is impossible or even unlikely, it is evidence that he tried to kill himself with force and threw himself off an elevation to hang himself rather than just kneel under a doorknob as some suicides do.
You keep stubbornly saying that these are coincidences. They were not. All accidents happen when multiple factors come together. They don’t have to be rare factors or coincidences. Texting and driving will eventually lead to a car accident, that’s not a perfect storm or a surprising event. Broken jail cameras will eventually lead to an unwitnessed death. Night shift guards watching YouTube routinely skipping their cell checks will eventually lead to a death. The only person arguing it was a coincidence that both happened is you. The official reports indicated that this was not just two freak events happening on the same day, but business as usual in the jail.
At this point I can’t help you further.
SamuelClemmens@reddit
Flat out false as has been covered multiple times. The government (who has liability in this case) believe it was suicide, but our legal system does allow for other parties to conduct their own forensics for this reason.
Also, even if you are a doctor, pretending to be one on the Internet is far more likely and you should know that. I work in security and know damn well how prisons operate too (I've worked on their security systems) and could point out many flaws in that avenue of your logic but that would be a ridiculous thing to do on the Internet, because why would you possibly believe a stranger? That is basically indistinguishable from an Appeal to Authority fallacy.
Kriegsmarine_1871@reddit
Words words words, Jeffrey Epstein, Virginia Giuffre, and the Boeing whistleblowers were all ASSASSINATED. Don't act like capitalists wouldn't do this to cover up their own crimes and silence dissent. I swear, these people like you are either bots or "tech support" scammers. inb4 ranjesh starts screeching "it's just a heckin conspiracy theory, evendoe evidence says otherwise, you guys are bigoted chuds for not believing in da mainstream propaganda!"
PrivilegeCheckmate@reddit
Epstein didn't kill himself. A man who can live with himself while being a professional child pimp and molester doesn't have enough chutzpah to off themselves. I know it, you know it, the French know it, dogs know it.
Zellgun@reddit
Do you really believe your little speech will somehow stop people from speaking definitively in the future? Rational, logical people will be able to interpret such statements knowing full well that definitive statements are not actually definitive. your speech is nothing but virtue signalling.
But go on, please educate us on why I’m wrong
No_Explanation_9087@reddit
You must realise that when the Epstein topic and other conspiracies come up they are not speaking in exaggerated terms. They are saying with clarity that he didn't kill himself as a statement of fact. And a virtue is something morally upright and righteous, what is morally upright and righteous about my comment? Am I going to be rewarded and deemed a good human being for saying its silly to make definitive statements? Bore off and get your fun up votes so you feel part of something
Zellgun@reddit
It’s the internet, people say ridiculous shit online all the time, especially when anonymity is involved.
Like I said, the guy before you can say whatever they want. Rational, logical people knows that there’s no way that random Redditor knows with 100% certainty whatever he’s claiming.
But I get it, virtue signalling makes you feel better about yourself, and I’ll admit, calling you out also makes me feel good.
But go on keep at it buddy.
No_Explanation_9087@reddit
Something is wrong with you
Kriegsmarine_1871@reddit
"Something is le hecking wrong with you, or however I shove capitalist government propaganda up my ass, in order to protect the sanctity of Hollywood celebrities caught in this, oh no!"
No_Explanation_9087@reddit
Who is the Hollywood celebrity?
Vishnej@reddit
Of course he didn't kill himself.
Hundreds of the most powerful people in the world just got really lucky.
No_Explanation_9087@reddit
When Kashoggi died it was very clear what happened. This? Not as clear. The Trump assassination attempt? Very clear. Panama papers scandal, very clear. Never saying they always tell us what's going on, I just don't think its that far fetched for someone facing his charges to just decide to take their life to avoid accountability.
Chewbacca_The_Wookie@reddit
Except that the medical reports point to someone who was killed after a struggle, like dozens and hundreds of other examples we have to compare it to. So now you are just ignoring facts in order to make your snarky point and it makes you look like an idiot.
No_Explanation_9087@reddit
The snark was unnecessary tbh.
Chewbacca_The_Wookie@reddit
Sorry, default setting. Can't turn it off.
cpdk-nj@reddit
Have you actually read it, or are you just repeating what someone else said about the medical report?
Chewbacca_The_Wookie@reddit
I've read the summary. IIRC the full report is not available and has never been made public. From what I have read including the lack of blood on the ligature, his thyroid bone broken in the same way as homicidal strangulation. In addition the previous "suicide" attempt his cellmate claims he didn't see or hear him attempt to commit suicide but also apparently didn't report his unconscious body until it was found by prison staff speaks to an attempted murder, either related to the supposed conspiracy or just an individual act.
cpdk-nj@reddit
Personally, I think that any involvement that anyone else may have had is in just… letting him kill himself. He had plenty of reasons to want to die.
There’s also the fact that Maxwell is still alive. Plus, let’s be real, no amount of implication that Trump or Prince Andrew or anyone else was on that island has impacted them in any real way.
Chewbacca_The_Wookie@reddit
Absolutely, I could see the cameras intentionally being left off and his cellmate moved away and the guards being given instructions not to check during a certain window.
I think most people agree that his death had some outside involvement, it's just a matter of who believes it was more deliberate versus incidental.
Taubenichts@reddit
^ This! I saw no evidence this Epstein dude was involved with anything bad.
Dagrsunrider@reddit
Playing devils advocate for a person accused of acts against minors. Whew lord.
SufficientCommon9850@reddit
Epstein was a Mossad spy. Israel has a knack for using pedophilia to blackmail powerful people. You do the maths.
Funfruits77@reddit
She had a post on some social media thing a couple years back saying she was the furthest thing from suicidal. That if she committed suicide it needs to be investigated as she would never do it.
Nancyhasnopants@reddit
That was 2019. Since then she has become recently estranged from her husband and children, has breached a dvo he had taken against her and was due to face court over this, had the whole “bus accident” thing splashed everywhere and was obviously very isolated and struggling.
AceofToons@reddit
Yeah a lot can change in 6 years unfortunately
I do still think it needs to be investigated thoroughly, and they need to take into account, and act on, any harassment she may have been receiving that may have contributed
But her declaration from 5 years ago that she would never commit suicide is unfortunately irrelevant at this point
Nancyhasnopants@reddit
It will traumatise her family mainly her kids, but I think a coronial inquest should be done. To investigate sex trafficking and the effects etc.
IronSky_@reddit
Would love to know the statistics on middle aged mother of 3 killing themselves. Gotta be one of the least represented demographics.
pandaSmore@reddit
Some more context.
gummytoejam@reddit
She was troubled throughout her life. She never really knew stability. I'd have to image, unless there is a conspiracy that involved her family reporting her death as suicide and/or the media reporting it as suicide and covering up anything else, that what she said a few years ago likely wouldn't apply to the present.
Geruvah@reddit
That was also in the midst of Jeffery Epstein’s sudden “suicide” that we all knew was to silence him.
cpdk-nj@reddit
6 years ago. Not “a couple years back.”
deeptut@reddit
"Three shots in the back and fallen out of a window, this clearly is a suicide." /s
Well, it didn't happen in the US, so I have more hope for a real inspection of the circumstances.
Fit_Rice_3485@reddit
Her marriages didn’t work and she lost custody of her children
She also made weird remarks about “have three days left to live” which did not line up with the reality of what happened after an accident where she merely got bruises.
She was not likely mentally fully stable and after losing custody of her children she offed herself
pingpongpiggie@reddit
Could be a warning for other victims?
IdeaSunshine@reddit
I'm not saying killings never happen, but people really need to stop making up murder mysteries where there are none. This is a tragic event that illustrates what damage trafficking and sexual assult does to a person. It's not true crime entertaiment for the masses (which is problematic in its own way).
SaulsAll@reddit
No need to make one up when they decided to lie about a murder unprompted in the article.
Jeffrey Epstein did not die by suicide.
Sweet_Cinnabonn@reddit
If you sat through a training on Risk Factors for Suicide it would feel like a freaking profile on Epstein.
Other then it being convenient, there is absolutely no indication it wasn't suicide.
All the jokes are funny, because they are jokes. But when it comes to serious thinking, then let's be serious.
It is just incredibly tiresome when people declare with no evidence that something happened just because that's a better story. Nothing happened with Epstein that isn't ordinary in jail. Cameras not working? Routine. Guards not watching him? Routine. Not taking proper precautions despite him supposedly being on suicide watch? I personally have encountered at least 4 instances of suicide attempts despite supposedly being on suicide watch with ordinary inmates in my ordinary town. Just regular burglars, car thieves and drug dealers.
Sure it makes sense that he'd have been killed.
It makes just as much sense that he killed himself, and requires less steps.
temotodochi@reddit
For some it just makes more sense as the words of Epstein could've toppled "empires" worth of billions.
Sweet_Cinnabonn@reddit
Maybe.
By that's a reason that justifies a suicide, too.
temotodochi@reddit
It does if there is a threat to family etc.
Sunstang@reddit
Less steps than multiple procedural violations, a last minute cellmate transfer with no replacement brought in, two cameras not working, a third somehow having "unusable" footage, his guards - charged with putting eyes on him every 30 minutes - "falling asleep at their desk" for three hours, and his having been described by his attorney as "upbeat" the evening of his death? For the highest profile prisoner in a facility that previously had no problems holding multiple Al Qaeda terrorists, Gambino mob bosses, and international arms dealer Viktor Bout?
Sweet_Cinnabonn@reddit
Yeah, honestly. All that is just routine in jails.
Of course it shouldn't be. But it is.
Sunstang@reddit
It isn't.
Sweet_Cinnabonn@reddit
Well, I've done ER treatment for the multiple suicide attempts that have happened in those exact circumstances.
A recent report found 187 suicides in federal prisons in the past years.
Suicide rates in jail are double the rate in the general population, and white males are the highest rate.
Sunstang@reddit
Those exact circumstances - so high profile prisoners in a SHU on suicide watch with multiple camera failures and guards disappearing for three hours?
Cpt_Obvius@reddit
You just don’t know that. I’d have no problem with you saying “Epstein almost definitely didn’t die by suicide” because there are many ways to look at the suspicious situation, and I don’t begrudge anyone for falling on either side.
But to unabashedly claim you know for sure that the man in prison for being a horrible monster who was due to endure years of the highest level of public shaming and life in prison which was either going to be solitary or at incredible risk of attacks by other inmates, absolutely did not kill himself is silly.
You don’t know. It’s basically impossible that you know unless you’re somehow super privileged to information 99.999% of the population doesn’t know.
There’s definitely a chance he killed himself. Personally I’m about 50:50 because conspiracies are not EASY but there was plenty of motive and sketchy details that balances that out.
SaulsAll@reddit
You wrote specifically to begrudge my taking a side.
Cpt_Obvius@reddit
….yes? I wrote it to point out that you can’t with any rationality take one side completely. And you know that, deep down at least. You think he killed himself. I think that’s a reasonable stance. But you don’t know.
SaulsAll@reddit
You posted specifically to dismiss one side, without ever dismissing the article itself. You say 50/50, and that you wont begrudge, but you did. And you admit you did.
Were you lying to me, or to yourself?
Cpt_Obvius@reddit
….. I have no idea what you’re confused about here. I’m saying we don’t have enough information to say definitively if he committed suicide or was assassinated. I happen to land close to 50:50 on the odds, the original comment said he was 100% killed.
mynameisdave@reddit
Is this a bot
Cpt_Obvius@reddit
You just don’t know that. I’d have no problem with you saying “Epstein almost definitely didn’t die by suicide” because there are many ways to look at the suspicious situation, and I don’t begrudge anyone for falling on either side.
But to unabashedly claim you know for sure that the man in prison for being a horrible monster who was due to endure years of the highest level of public shaming and life in prison which was either going to be solitary or at incredible risk of attacks by other inmates, absolutely did not kill himself is silly.
You don’t know. It’s basically impossible that you know unless you’re somehow super privileged to information 99.999% of the population doesn’t know.
There’s definitely a chance he killed himself. Personally I’m about 50:50 because conspiracies are not EASY but there was plenty of motive and sketchy details that balances that out.
pingpongpiggie@reddit
Huh? I mean I didn't read the article I was going on the shot three times in the back. Didn't realise that didn't happen.
IdeaSunshine@reddit
I'm sorry if my comment felt a bit off. I didn't mean to accuse anyone asking honest questions because they didn't know the case.
I guess I was commenting on the general trend where people make up alternative motives and scenarios to entertain themselves. It just comes off as disrespectful.
TheMedicator@reddit
No you're right. Anytime someone commits suicide the conspiracy theorists come flocking. It's super annoying and disrespectful imo
IlluminatedPickle@reddit
Will you conspiracy nuts stop descending on every tragedy? Let the womans friends and family grieve.
ThatHeckinFox@reddit
The whole "got in to a car crash the severity of which is denied" bit did put my suspicion on life support tbh.
gummytoejam@reddit
She was troubled throughout her life. I read some of her deposition. She grew up in south Florida, was a sexually abused around the age of 11. Was a run away. Sent across the country to live. Went back. Shacked up at the age of 15 or 16 with a guy that also abused her. Her dad helped her get a job at Mar-a-Lago. Wanted to be a masseuse. Then ran into Ghislaine Maxwell shortly afterwards either before or just after her 17th birthday. Got invited to Jeffrey's Florida mansion where the three "talked". You know the rest from there.
It's a sad end to a sad life.
PrivilegeCheckmate@reddit
Why does the media continue to report these murders as suicides? Are they paid to do so? Was there already an inquest and an autopsy? We all know she was assassinated. People who go on the record and say "I'm not going to kill myself." in order to let people know they feel threatened pretty much never go on to kill themselves. It's people who are like "I'm fine."
OrlandoBloominOnions@reddit
Royal Family loves killing people, it’s how they became “Royal”, so no there won’t be a real inspection.
SufficientCommon9850@reddit
Downed herself after locking herself in a suitcase.
LysergicMerlin@reddit
Its an international human trafficking conglomerate of powerful people. The terrifying thing is that it's way beyond just American issue. I have little hope much will come from this. Hope I'm wrong though.
pseudonym21@reddit
Oh honey, don't hold your breath.
JustACharacterr@reddit
Could any of the comments here who are convinced that Giuffre was assassinated explain why they think she would be murdered in a staged suicide now, and not at any point in the past during her extremely vocal, sustained, public campaign against Epstein and Prince Andrew?
Her story has been told ad naseum in excruciating detail in media stories, government investigations, and criminal and civil court cases for decades, she’s been the public face and voice of the Epstein victims the entire time the case has been in the public eye, and since Epstein’s suicide and Andrew’s settlement has been living quietly out of the public eye. There’s literally no reason for her to have been killed if the goal was “silencing” her or preventing her story from getting out or stopping her from coming back into the news headlines.
Meanwhile, her and her husband recently separated, her children went with the husband, she was charged with breaching a family violence restraining order in February and had an upcoming June court date for that incident, and described herself as being in a bad bus accident last month. It doesn’t take a mental health expert to understand how these are not conducive circumstances for mental health in the best of times. People pointing to a 2019 statement as proof that she couldn’t have been suicidal don’t appear to have a grasp of how mental health can deteriorate in a short time period, let alone six years.
I just find it somewhat gross and frankly disrespectful that even at the end of her life, Giuffre’s fate is without evidence being tied directly to the people that already destroyed it in more ways than I can comprehend. Even after moving countries and starting a family and retreating from the public eye and now dying in a way with no connection to the Epstein case, she can’t escape being tied to Epstein one last time instead of being remembered as her own person with her own life outside of the crimes inflicted on her as a child.
SufficientCommon9850@reddit
Because there's no attention on her right now and this news will barely be noticeable?
JustACharacterr@reddit
Her death is literally global headline news lmfao. You’re commenting in a thread on a BBC article, and a quick google search shows stories from places such as: the Wall Street Journal, CNN, AP News, People Magazine, ABC News, the Miami Herald, the Guardian, the New York Post, the Independent, CBS News, The Daily Mail, Times of India, the New York Times, Financial Times, FOX News, the Northwest Arkansas Democrat-Gazette (as a fun local example), Reuters, EuroNews, Hindustan Times, France 24, Vanity Fair, Bloomberg…..
Would you like me to continue? Because I could, because for someone with “no attention on her” and “barely noticeable”, her death is being reported on in literally every publication that you can think of.
gummytoejam@reddit
Playing devil's advocate, the people she was involved with can hold a grudge because they're capable of carrying out such things? They're not like you and me. We tend to move on from things because it's not worth the hassle in both our time or money. These people have generational wealth. And there are plenty of historical examples of very wealthy and powerful people not forgetting things out of convenience.
JustACharacterr@reddit
I’m familiar with the concept of a grudge, but hand waving towards vague allegations of historic conspiracies doesn’t make a convincing argument.
gummytoejam@reddit
That's the wonderful about Reddit. It doesn't matter if I convince you.
JustACharacterr@reddit
That’s a pretty shitty Devil’s advocate lol, thanks for the input I guess.
ChrisTheHurricane@reddit
Also, her own family said it was a suicide.
ycnz@reddit
All of that is shit I'd try to deliberately orchestrate if I was powerful and trying to make an example of someone.
JustACharacterr@reddit
Your power fantasies aside, the most logical explanation for a traumatized sex trafficking victim having relationship issues and committing suicide is not a multi-decade international psyop ending with a staged suicide long after she has disappeared from the public eye; it’s the tragic consequences of mental health damage from being the internationally famous child victim of a sex trafficking ring.
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
Not that I am convinced she was assassinated, but if she was a reason for it could be revenge or trying to silence others from being vocal or coming forward with their own story.
JustACharacterr@reddit
I’m sorry and no offense, but those reasons make no sense.
Virginia was involved in legal cases against Epstein and his associates since 2009. So her killers waited to get their revenge for 16 years because…….why?
As for the second point, see above. 16 years lapsed between Virginia’s first legal action against Epstein and her death, during which time she became an internationally renowned figure for her SA survivors activism and legal actions including a successful civil suit against the British monarchy. So these killers who wanted to have her death serve as a warning to prevent others from speaking out…….let her publicly speak out for over a decade and win legal actions against the British crown, before letting her largely withdraw from public life with her new family and live quietly for several more years before then staging her suicide?
She was a woman with an unfathomably traumatic childhood, who then took up the burden of activism and legal action for 15 years in a system not designed to adequately handle the classification of horror she went through. It sounds like she was dealing with severe family issues and possible health issues as well. Everything we know about her paints one of the least surprising risk-cases for suicide I’ve ever heard.
Trying to reach for dubious conspiratorial plots when the cold hard truth, that some damage people suffer cannot be healed even with time and space, is right there just feels gross to me. It feels like it minimizes the reality of the permanent damage that monsters like Epstein do to their victims in exchange for a Hollywood-esque spy plot standing on the flimsiest of logic.
I don’t mean to be harsh to you specifically on this by the way, I apologize if it comes off that way.
gummytoejam@reddit
They do make sense.
JustACharacterr@reddit
Great rebuttal, thank you.
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
All good man, just thinking hypothetically those could be reasons for an assissination.
KnottyCatLady@reddit
This aged well - in 2019 she posted that if anything ever happens to her, it's not suicide - Virginia Giuffre's tweet from 2019 saying she was definitely not suicidal and that if something happens to her to "not let this go away".
Bommelom@reddit
That was in 2019, and it's not really impossible to become suicidal in 6 years. If Prince Andrew or whoever wanted to kill her, it would make far more sense to do so years ago.
False_Ad3429@reddit
Things changed since then. Her husband was very abusive to her. She left him, but lost custody of her kids. She was in an accident recently. Lots of things were going on.
Redditbecamefacebook@reddit
Not a single mention of her renal failure or kidney disease.
Everybody's first reaction is going to assume that this was a result of the abuse and legal battle, and while those issues might have contributed, the obvious trigger here was likely her health issues.
Either way, I hope she rests in peace.
Shady_bookworm51@reddit
well that's not a massive red flag as suspicious as fuck o anything. I have a feeling if they look into it at all they will find it was not actually suicide at all.
cpdk-nj@reddit
Why would they wait 16 years to kill her? This is just as ridiculous as the people who blame Hillary Clinton for everyone dying
Tricky_Tone_4989@reddit
You don’t know who could be they or why they would but she clearly stated she isn’t suicidal in case anything happens to her. So many innocent people here have no idea how corrupt this world is
Level-Setting825@reddit
She was just a normal everyday person, no exorbitant wealth, no great political power, so it was easy to just sweep her under the rug and protect all the rich, politically connected assholes who were involved.
Middle-Holiday8371@reddit
So sad! And really weird timing after she exposed an Israeli kompromat ring that targeted American VIPs involved in solving peace in the Middle East ( like Obama’s US Middle East Peace Envoy and a UN Ambassador)in the middle of a genocide..
Alpha_Majoris@reddit
NY Times
Kind_Government_9620@reddit
“Suicide” ain’t fooling nobody
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We've found 160 sources (so far) that are covering this story including:
Just the News (Leans Right): "Jeffrey Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre dies by suicide at 41"
BBC News (Center): "Virginia Giuffre, Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein accuser, dies by suicide"
NBC News (Leans Left): "Virginia Giuffre, one of Jeffrey Epstein's most prominent abuse survivors, dies by suicide"
Of all the sources reporting on this story, 27% are left-leaning, 30% are right-leaning, and 44% are in the center. Read the full coverage analysis and compare how 160+ sources from across the political spectrum are covering this story.
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