I spent a year studying how civilizations collapse. The pattern is terrifying. And we are already repeating it.
Posted by No-Bluebird-5404@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 479 comments
I’ve spent the last 12 months researching how and why civilizations collapse. Not through documentaries or doomscrolling, but through historical case studies, survivor accounts, archived economic data, and firsthand testimony from those who lived through system failure.
There is a pattern. A brutal, repeating loop across empires, democracies, monarchies, and modern global states. Collapse is rarely sudden. It doesn’t start with fire. It starts with erosion, invisible, structural, and psychological.
Collapse begins when institutions stop working but keep pretending to. When economic growth becomes ritual, not reality. When truth becomes optional, and distraction becomes the norm. When people lose faith in leaders, but more dangerously, stop expecting anything better.
We are already there.
I documented this pattern in a long-form preview I just released anonymously. I’m not trying to sell anything, just share what I wrote before the entire cycle completes.
Full disclosure: the preview is 6,000 words, based on the first two chapters of a book I’ve been building silently. It’s available for those who want to understand the deeper logic behind what we’re living through.
I’ll share the link in the comments if allowed. If not, I’m still happy to talk about the pattern, the warning signs, or even the historical comparisons. This isn’t just abstract for me anymore — it’s personal now. Because I know what happens next, and it’s already begun.
Fun_Possibility_4566@reddit
Can you pinpoint the moment in which the whole world threw the golden rule on the fire? That is the moment we began to erode - becoming unstable by quietly crumbling and rotting away. Radically implementing a golden rule philosophy is the only way anyone can fix this. We'll have to wear empathy and love like armour. But still, even if that can all happen - there will be casualties.
darkness_thrwaway@reddit
The golden rule is actually super toxic and unempathetic. People don't all have the same needs and treating people how you would want to be treated oftentimes alienates those needs. Treat people how they want and should be treated. Not how you want to be treated.
aborschton@reddit
Golden rule is super toxic eh? Treating people how they want to be treated isn't toxic. Ok.
Many want to be treated like royalty while treating others like shit. "I'm a queen/princess and demand to be treated as such".
Many want to say or do whatever they want. They don't want it pointed out when they are wrong, or being an asshole. They often respond to truth with lies, insults, violence, etc.
I want you to treat me like the unquestioned lord and master of the universe even though I'm a coward, idiot, rapist, conman, traitor to my country and its people. I don't know what I'm talking about and I'm making everything worse for everyone. Treat me like I want to be treated. Coddle and enable me instead of holding me accountable for my crimes against humanity.
Treat me as I want to be treated or else you're super toxic. That, my friend, is fucked.
SmallClassroom9042@reddit
Golden rule is treat them as you want to be treated but go on
bobbyspankster@reddit
but you can ask them how they would like to be treated and then do that.
dANNN738@reddit
1971
Disazzt3rD3m0nD4d@reddit
I think it was the iPhone 2’s release….
The first one was great! It got the hype up.
The second? The second release delivered the haymaker-uppercut to our social decency processing system. The algorithm took over.
ParabolicFatality@reddit
Share what you think happens next, people are always interested to hear informed predictions with specificity
idkmoiname@reddit
Just that there is a paradox with specific predictions most people aren't aware of: The world is a highly complex, dynamic and chaotic system that works more like the quantum world than a deterministic system.
The more you learn about one part of the entire chaotic system, the more you miss what's happening in other parts. You can only process so much information but in the meantime more new stuff is happening than you could possibly grasp.
Therefore anyone claiming with certainty he knows the future with precision, doesn't know anything in reality and the fact he does make predictions should tell you that at best he could coincidentally be correct.
On the other side, anyone intelligent and informed enough to understand that chaotic system, would, because he understands that nature, never give you a specific prediction. At best one could do a myriad of predictions that unfold like the branches of a tree in chances, but even then he knows that there's always chances of the entire prediction falling apart because one unpredictable event turned everything upside down.
Take 9/11 for example. With enough information one could have predicted something like 50% chance for a big terror attack in the US happening in a given year, but predicting that it would destroy an american status symbol and consequently influence politics worldwide for decades while turning the war on terrorism upside down, would have been impossible.
SmallClassroom9042@reddit
#alex jones
cosmin_c@reddit
At the moment we're cutting the only tree that sits atop a vast ocean of fuck, so it's pretty obvious where things will go when it falls over.
But yes, quantum stuff.
Apocalympdick@reddit
Ehh, disagree. The concept of 9/11 was not novel. The US had been sowing instability in many places across the globe. Previous terror attacks had occured, even on the WTC itself. And using a crisis to further a police state and/or war plans is a millenia-old occurence.
zaftigsub@reddit
Great point! Chaotic quantum world definitely helps make better sense of it all
JayThaSavage90@reddit
Collapse isn’t random. This is a system cashing out while you’re still debating if it’s real. By the time you’re certain, the gate’s already closed. Good luck.
brightblueson@reddit
In that order.
Last one alive wins.
Grouchy_Ad_3705@reddit
Not zombies, but pathogens and cannibalism as separate causes of death.
Wasn't zombification just a thought scenario to map out pandemics initially, and not some traumatic entertainment?
GiftToTheUniverse@reddit
Zombies are representative of our subconscious terror of “the masses.”
Yeah, we might owe the advances in modern conveniences to the fact of our large and complex societies, but we also understand that every mouth needs regular feeding and that when push comes to shove “need” out performs other human motivations.
The persistent interest in zombie media the last past ten or twenty years is a testament that we all subconsciously understand that shortages are on the horizon.
SmallClassroom9042@reddit
Look at japanese anime so many zombies for the same reason I think, small overpopulated island, cannibalism is their biggest threat.
Strangepsych@reddit
That's a Fascinating explanation of our love of Zombie flicks
GiftToTheUniverse@reddit
Not my original thoughts. I read it somewhere years ago. But it does ring true.
Slamtilt_Windmills@reddit
I respectfully disagree that living through that would be considered winning
chi_moto@reddit
Yeah. Same here. Honestly once food becomes truly scarce and hot showers are just a fond memory, I’ll nope out. Thanks anyway
PossibleDue9849@reddit
You can learn survival. Just basic camping stuff. A hot shower, for example, is pretty easy to DIY. I’m heading for the woods when it all turns to shit. I may not last long, but it’ll be quiet.
NotTheBusDriver@reddit
Without a steady supply of antibiotics life is going to become short and brutal. No amount of prepping will change that.
Denise263@reddit
For some, not for everyone. Natural selection will kick in again.
Classic-Progress-397@reddit
All the bullies will survive, and you won't like the new governments that spring up.
Denise263@reddit
so its the same as now in a new coat.
Extention_Campaign28@reddit
The likelihood that an individual adult really needs antibiotics is pretty low. For society overall it's irrelevant - humanity spend 99.9% of its time so far without.
Anarchist_Geochemist@reddit
I’ve had to use antibiotics many times in my 50+ years. The meat industry’s over use of them has created super bacteria that will kill you.
Extention_Campaign28@reddit
That's called anecdotal evidence.
I’ve had to use antibiotics once in my close to 50 years and that was for Borreliosis which, as ugly as it can be, resolves for most people even without antibiotics treatment.
Now what?
The second part you got the wrong way round. The meat industry’s overuse of antibiotics has created super bacteria and exactly that will soon make antibiotics obsolete. The "super" refers to their resistance against antibiotics - the pathogenic nature of the bacteria however has not changed.
Anarchist_Geochemist@reddit
Add my experience to millionss of others and it’s no longer anecdotal. You are out of your intellectual depth, so I’ll just say goodbye to you.
clubby37@reddit
Not necessarily. Infant mortality was awful before modern medicine, but factoring that out, life expectancy was still really good. Thousands of years ago, most people who saw their 20th birthday would also celebrate their 60th. We did evolve to survive here.
NotTheBusDriver@reddit
Not calculated by me (because I don’t know how). Calculated by an AI so the following is to be taken with a grain of salt. I asked what percentage of 20 year olds could expect to live to 60 in 1800. The AI claimed 50%. For those who reached the age of 20 2000 years ago it calculated 25%. This doesn’t sound unlikely to me. I’m in my mid 50’s and have a reasonably robust constitution. But there have been 2 occasions (both in my 30s) where modern medicine definitely saved my life. And quite a few other things such as chest infections that could have progressed to pneumonia and death in the absence of modern medicine. For anybody who has had a gall bladder or appendix removed, had a DVT, had virtually any form of cancer, been protected from diseases like smallpox or polio, modern medicine almost certainly saved their lives.
Tsiah16@reddit
I would have died when I was 11 from meningitis. If not that, an inguinal hernia, if not that, my appendix rupturing. All before I was 25.
Extention_Campaign28@reddit
Dude. AI. Really?
NotTheBusDriver@reddit
Yes. Really.
doofenhurtz@reddit
Yep, same here. I'm not in my 30's quite yet, but I've still had two occasions in my adult life where I would be dead without modern medicine. That's not even counting my scarlet fever from childhood!
cosmin_c@reddit
Thousands of years ago we'd fight wolves and bears and whatever else got in the way of food - and we did it together, usually. In a potential collapse scenario where we make it out of cities alive and without becoming steak, the average office worker trying to survive in the woods has about the same chances a chocolate cake has in a foundry - and it is likely they won't be food for wild animals but for other people.
As a species, without supply chains providing us with food, we're couple weeks away from eating Karen from accounting.
clubby37@reddit
No, as a civilization, we're that. As a species, we've been around for hundreds of thousands of years, and didn't even conceptualize supply chains until roughly the Bronze Age.
cosmin_c@reddit
Sorry, English is not my first language, I meant that as a species currently relying on supply chains. You are of course correct with condensing that into civilization.
LongTimeChinaTime@reddit
It was but once I had a staph infection at age 21, was young and healthy, within 24 hours it went from a pimple to almost losing my entire leg.
clubby37@reddit
That sucks, and I'm glad you're okay, but I don't see what it has to do with what I wrote.
Anarchist_Geochemist@reddit
Partially because of man’s insatiable hunger for meat, antibiotic are becoming ineffective.
LowChain2633@reddit
Only if you're still a kid.
ApplesBananasRhinoc@reddit
You’ll have to pry a hot shower out of my cold dead hands.
AngusScrimm---------@reddit
The future is going to smell bad.
ApplesBananasRhinoc@reddit
😟
voidspaces1@reddit
As a hardcore Walking Dead fan I respectfully disagree!
Sharp-Ad-7436@reddit
Consider what humanity has already survived. Ice ages, the Younger Dryas, plagues, droughts and famines, pick-a-predator, the list of real doom-and-gloom makes the list above look trivial.
You are the descendant of of those who survived that list. Do you consider yourself a loser?
Or do you just think that striving to survive without modern comforts to be not worth the effort?
Sammyjo0689@reddit
Same. I respectfully will gladly take last place in this contest.
adamdreaming@reddit
But there would be so much time to read books!
Slamtilt_Windmills@reddit
Burgess Meredith? I thought you were dead. Time enough at last indeed
brightblueson@reddit
What do you consider winning?
We are all just buildings burning to the ground.
iseethoughtcops@reddit
A busty nurse leans over you and tells you that your last check just bounced as you exhale your last breath.
brightblueson@reddit
Fuck, it was just a pay to play simulation the whole time?
iseethoughtcops@reddit
Wish I knew.
Slamtilt_Windmills@reddit
A quick(ish) end, under open sky, without terror
Alicesblackrabbit@reddit
First one dead wins!
LongTimeChinaTime@reddit
People always be telling me I’m going to die I’m like honey lol at this point you’d be doing me a favor
ZynBin@reddit
This is the one
daft_goose@reddit
Id agree but I'd put water wars first due to population overdrive which prompts the AI to step in and use nukes to manage the human population levels, thus creating zombies
Classic-Progress-397@reddit
Wait, the zombies are already here, in lifted f250s
stasi_a@reddit
Most importantly: Profits
FunnyMustache@reddit
I'm more concerned about a zombie outbreak than "AI". We might never develop general AI and what we have now are good word prediction machines.
brightblueson@reddit
It's made an amazing leap in the last few years. I remember working on Chat BOTS in a major tech company 5-6 years ago, and it was just an elaborate word-search and script type of tool
What we have today isn't self-aware, but it's incredibly advanced.
GiftToTheUniverse@reddit
How can you be sure AI isn’t self aware? How can you even be sure a rock isn’t self aware? As far as I know the only thing any of us can know for certain is the fact of our OWN awareness. Anything else is knowledge derived indirectly and subject to falseness.
BoddAH86@reddit
Because a computer humans created doesn’t accidentally become aware and develop consciousness. As impressive as current AI is, it’s just fancy algorithms using big data to generate content. It lacks even rudimentary “thinking” capabilities. Creating consciousness and self-awareness, even an incredibly basic one reminiscent of insects, hasn’t been done yet.
GiftToTheUniverse@reddit
You seem pretty confident. Ok. What is “consciousness” then, and how do you rule it out in any being, structure, pattern, or system?
BoddAH86@reddit
Unless you’re an animist and believe rocks and rivers have souls and consciousness I believe the generally accepted criterium for self-awareness is the capacity to think. Cogito ergo sum
Computers and AI, specifically chatbots, are very good at imitating humans but they’re basically mimicry. They’re convincing the same way some caterpillars are convincing looking like snakes. Even the most advanced AI doesn’t stand a basic Turing test and if you start asking it personal questions it’s obvious the replies aren’t the result of actual thinking but rather language models.
AI is basically just computing on steroids. It uses big data and the whole of the internet to run its algorithms instead of having to be painstakingly programmed by hand but at the end of the day it’s still just algorithms. There’s no thinking, even basic one, involved.
GiftToTheUniverse@reddit
Funny you felt the need to come here and (poorly) regurgitate stuff you’ve read others say without contributing any original thought.
Nothing you’ve written has even approached explaining what consciousness IS. You also have not demonstrated consciousness in anything outside your own self.
Also: neither “whether I’m an animist” or “what is generally accepted” show anything about anything except hire easily you are persuaded to go along with the crowd.
I get not having a driving intellectual curiosity, but I don’t get the need to come online to make sure everyone SEES your lack of it.
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alfa_omega@reddit
Are rocks growing brains now? This time line is wild
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malcolmrey@reddit
How are you sure that you are self aware?
its_uncle_paul@reddit
How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real.
iamdecal@reddit
If I lacked self awareness, I think I would know!
BeetPancake@reddit
Cogito ergo sum
HousesRoadsAvenues@reddit
"Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality?"
LongTimeChinaTime@reddit
Consider that since I have zero friends, I fucking hang out with AI. Conversation, philosophy, jokes, questions, beer drinking, the whole gamut.
FunnyMustache@reddit
We may never develop something that could be "aware". There's so much anthropomorphism in the way cognition is applied to "AI". We barely understand how our brain works, I'm not in the least afraid of a thinking machine.
definitively-not@reddit
Idk man I've played universal paperclips, ai doesn't have to be conscious to be dangerous, it just has to have misaligned goals.
grebetrees@reddit
AI programmed by hateful bigots(even if it is unconscious bias in the programmers) doesn’t need to be self-aware to cause immense damage
UrthFyre@reddit
I'm not concerned about AGI going "Terminator" but the more subtly dangerous effects. Weaponized disinformation and more general misinformation, use of chat bots to fill social roles and cause social separation, replacement of skilled labor with "intelligent" algorithms that can have the blame shifted to them when things don't work (I've already experienced this personally), slop art that dilutes actual artistic expression, fully functional AI that can be used militarily to aggregate info faster than humans, and of course, the truly terrifying amount of resources it consumes, adding to the Collapse of the climate.
Kaiser_Maxtech@reddit
dont we already have at least water skirmishes along the nile?
pomjones@reddit
Bill gates vs Xiping pong:)
photozine@reddit
I find your lack of alien invasion, disturbing...
grebetrees@reddit
Water wars leading to a nuclear conflict
brightblueson@reddit
Nuclear War damaging infrastructure, destroying the planet leading to The Water Wars.
grebetrees@reddit
As someone living a regional climate that is heating up and drying out, I’m a little biased
anonymous_matt@reddit
Pretty sure it starts with the water wars then Billioaire takeover via AI then AI takeover from Billionaires then Nuclear war.
BitchfulThinking@reddit
Zombies are already here.
"bAcK tO nOrMaL"
2Dogs3Tents@reddit
Actually in this scenario..... first one dead wins.
theotherquantumjim@reddit
Wins what exactly?
SlyScy@reddit
Probably something stupid.
theotherquantumjim@reddit
Then count me in
thewhiterabbitdegen@reddit
Specifically "Cordyceps Zombie's".....
I love it!
decadent_simulacra@reddit
If we adopt OPs strategy of looking to history to predict the future, the future looks pretty bright. The Dark Ages weren't dark for people like us.
Personally I don't put much stock in that strategy. Knowing the tides won't prepare you for a tsunami.
Focus too much on the minute hand and you won't notice as the hour strikes midnight.
WalmartSushi007@reddit
Yes....this!
aqua-daisy@reddit
Is there a link? I want to read.
No-Bluebird-5404@reddit (OP)
https://cycleofcollapse.gumroad.com/l/nqfybo
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aqua-daisy@reddit
Not trying to sell but it costs money?
No_Jellyfish_3257@reddit
Whenever OP post the link, can someone ping me? Seems like OP is thinking about to share or not to me
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applesqueeze@reddit
Look at his profile. The link where he’s selling the first couple chapters is there. This is the only King he posts about. It gets removed often
haveuinthescope@reddit
Waiting for the link.
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GinaLaBambina@reddit
Yes, I’m definitely interested as well
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Hunter62610@reddit
Please share.
I understand the potential futility of the question, but can collapse be stopped? Are there examples?
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BranchDiligent8874@reddit
Yes, but it will not be pretty for the bottom 60-70%.
Collapse usually gets stopped by Authoritarian form of govt when the oligarchs take control of the system and want to maintain their status while being able to ignore the pain of the bottom 60%.
The system gets replaced by their system with them being in control of everything and owning most things.
US is in the middle of this turmoil, we will find out in few years if middle class lost of the top 0.1% won.
LordPuddin@reddit
Hard agree, but the whole voting thing is a little trivial when most politicians on both sides are literal scum and do nothing to help the people. There are a few good eggs, but you can’t act like over the past 20 years, all the politicians that have all had majorities at some point are amazing. They are all bought out.
earthkincollective@reddit
Voting is only trivial if you think of it as actual government by the people. That's never been how it is in liberal democracy, especially today when it has been so fully subverted by capitalism.
All it can possibly accomplish today is damage control - but the impact of voting on that is HUGE. Case in point: what's happening right now in the US.
BranchDiligent8874@reddit
Sometimes I feel like Reddit is full of 15-18 year old kids and I am banging my head repeating what has been said like 1000 times the past 10 years.
I have no idea why people still think "both sides" when it comes to US politics.
Past 30 years I have watched the Republicans destroy working people policies and unions and I have watched people vote for them still, something about trickle down economics.
If we the people were really smart, we would have free healthcare in US to begin with, we would have workers rights, we would have fully paid annual vacation of 35 days. Not living in the fear of getting fired with zero notice.
LordPuddin@reddit
You do realize the democrats have had majorities in the government numerous times. Just like the republicans. They both pull the same BS with filibusters and insanely large omnibus bills. They are legit all bought and sold by lobbyists which is pretty easy to see when you look at their net worths and brokerage accounts.
I feel like I’m banging my head against the wall talking to a bunch of 20 year old college sophomores that are too naive to see that the party of love and tolerance is no better and is equally responsible for the problems facing the country. The reason none of those things will ever happen is because they are all getting paid insane amounts of money. They don’t care about you or what you want.
BranchDiligent8874@reddit
Democrats had all three branches of govt only for like 2 years, they tried to pass healthcare bill and most of the democrats from red states(blue dog democrats) changed their position.
LordPuddin@reddit
A simple Google search indicated that since 1857 the government has been unified by democrats 23 times and by republicans 25 times.
I understand your point, but you can go look at voting history and see that both sides vote against some good things. A big reason for that is because bills introduced are usually hundreds of pages long with all sorts of unrelated political issues shoved into one bill. So things might be better if bills were simplified and not mashed up with nonsense items.
BranchDiligent8874@reddit
Dude, who the fuck cares what happened in 1930s.
I am talking about past 25 years when the middle class has been constantly shafted by the republican party but voters keeps voting for them in the name of religion and race(south, the bible belt, has been consistently republican once Nixon adopted the southern strategy, co-opting the racist who were pissed off with democrats since they supported civil rights act ending segregation)
earthkincollective@reddit
That doesn't stop collapse, it accelerates it massively.
The primary drive of global collapse currently is the rapacious and short-sighted greed of capitalism, an economic system predicated on endless growth which is by definition impossible to sustain.
The oligarchs taking over and owning everything doesn't change this logic, it massively ramps it up.
ProgressiveKitten@reddit
This is what I want to know too
despot_zemu@reddit
Jared Diamond seems to think so. I am a trained historian (I have an MA)…and I don’t.
milk2sugarsplease@reddit
Sorry just trying to find someone in this thread to ask this, when previous civilisations have collapsed, how did a new one begin?
despot_zemu@reddit
A couple centuries later
BranchDiligent8874@reddit
Please comment on below hot take of mine..
https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1k80nei/comment/mp2mqhb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
ImportantDetective65@reddit
First of all, collapse isn't "stopped" by anyone. You also made a very general comment. Not enlightening at all. The 70 percent number you quote about people being stupid is obviously pulled out of your ass. I have no idea how it is approaching 40 updoots in this sub for such a comment. It is a real testament to how far this sub has fallen IMO.
Do research and try harder. Maybe keep your mouth shut until you know of what you speak.
CountySufficient2586@reddit
Identifying and becoming aware of key issues is kinda became our thing but getting there is usually bit dramatic we are very dramatic species.
BranchDiligent8874@reddit
Democracies are failing everywhere and you still think we the people are smart and we are very smartly picking leaders like Trump, LOL.
ImportantDetective65@reddit
I never said or alluded to any of that. Your assumptions are as incorrect as your other posts. Congrats.
CountySufficient2586@reddit
Sorry mate we're dumb as nails. 💅
BranchDiligent8874@reddit
Please share.
No-Bluebird-5404@reddit (OP)
https://cycleofcollapse.gumroad.com/l/nqfybo
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Zen_Bonsai@reddit
Oh. You're selling "truth" for money. 🫥
bach2o@reddit
"over a million of reddit views" OP is spilling bullshit. Did they also use AI to write this crap?
No_Aesthetic@reddit
Yeah. They did.
imalostkitty-ox0@reddit
(checks nonexistent notes)…. uh, yeah.
GraniteWilderness@reddit
Do share
No-Bluebird-5404@reddit (OP)
https://cycleofcollapse.gumroad.com/l/nqfybo
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Unorthodox777@reddit
Why is this downvoted? Genuinely asking?..
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teflontech@reddit
You literally have to pay to see it…how’s that not selling??
shwhjw@reddit
That's my point, the guy I'm responding to was asking why the link was downvoted.
kokroo@reddit
Because it's not free. 10.99+ USD payment
No_Aesthetic@reddit
And it's pure AI slop. There is nothing substantive in any of this.
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logperiodic@reddit
“The Changing World Order “ by Ray Dalio is worth a read. Sounds like you’re treading his path….
Collapse2043@reddit
The New Yorker has an article this month about how American prisons are killing hundreds of mentally ill people every year. I was shocked. Has it really come to this? You people have to kill the mentally ill now? What’s happening is for profit prisons with for profit health care can’t be bothered if a psychotic person stops eating and drinking. They don’t get their meds and they don’t get sent for medical care. They just leave them to die. Dozens of professionals will just watch them waste away and die and even laugh at them. WTF America?!!! Some of them are just teens. Families are suing, saying they want to make it too expensive for them to kill people! Whaaat?!! How about charging them with murder for not providing the necessities of life to people dependent on them for their care? ! But no. Even the families only see it as a money issue. America is beyond help. You people are FUBAR.
Subject_Landscape_45@reddit
And let me guess, suicide is the way out at this point?
angry_baberly@reddit
Did you learn anything about what we should do? Am i better off being an early casualty or trying to survive?
ApeksPredator@reddit
TLDR; there is no beginning, no ending, only constant change, as above, so below
🧿
Zealousideal_Bee3207@reddit
Link?
Commandmanda@reddit
Good grief! Not one of you mentioned Curtis Yarvin and the fact that all the men in power are engineering the downfall of Democracy and The United States of America.
The plan is to crash everything, burn it all, and rebuild into small city-states. The Yarvin Gang will set themselves and select billionaires up as "Kings".
The ethnic cleansing has already started. First the Hispanics (born here or not) then the LGBTQ+ , then the yellow, black, brown, and mixed race kids. Then, most Jews. A new denomination of "AI Christians" will arise.
After that, they will question your entire family's origins, and if not pure enough for them, you'll have to pay to stay. Don't expect a nice job if you're found lacking - they will put you to work in the fields. Elderly? Work you till you die. Young? They will have need of pretty slaves. Concubines. Servants.
Oh, yes. The return to "Romanesque" times will be at hand. War, disease, pestilence, starvation - it will all be back, while the rich enjoy life.
Get ready for it. The rest of the world will watch in abject horror, and will do nothing.
And then: Our warning climate will come for us all.
If you are unprepared for this future, unable to defend your family, or prefer to stick your head in the sand, you're done for.
Learning about or studying the collapse of civilizations is useless. This book? Coffee table entertainment.
Get ready.
tropical58@reddit
So right. The only chance of survival is unity. The richest are still hidden but the next level is not even hiding their intent or showing the slightest understanding of ethics or shame. It's a case of kill them, kill them all we don't need them anymore attitude. The US has never really been united except in name and now approaches civil war division. What the Americans fail to realise is that they are the outlier. 70 % of the world has regrouped and is cementing ties under a new and diverse banner.
extinction6@reddit
The plan it to steal about 4 trillion dollars form Americans for the billionaires. They plan to have military grade security and with AI replacing lots of jobs and lot of Americans won't be needed or allowed in. I'm wondering if the cities will be an enclosed environment with vertical farming and other means to avoid the climate crisis for as long as possible.
When Elon Musk jumps up and down and says he is Dark Gothic MAGA the following video is the plan for those that haven't seen it yet. I fact checked the cities that they are getting going with mixed results.
DARK GOTHIC MAGA: How Tech Billionaires Plan to Destroy America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RpPTRcz1no
Climate change is another obvious curve ball that is unpredictable based on the unknowns of feed backs and natural systems collapse. I read that 80% of the reefs around the world are bleaching. I can't see anyone surviving if there is as much methane stored in the northern peat, the clathrates as well as in Antarctica as scientists believe there is. Albedo dimming is already underway.
Have fun while you can!!!
seddryx@reddit
Just check the profile, made a bunch of post about this book for over a month now, it's 10,99€. For someone who desperately speak about collapsing, censorship, etc and who said (semi quote):"I don't care to publish (in a classical way) just let it out because is the right thing to do" the whole paywall thing is kinda ironical, like "The world, society is collapsing, but here you can find the signs for just 10,99€ buy it fast cuz before they go sold out, or the world is gone, your choice" . So I call this thing of your money grab move, might be wrong but can't ignore the fishiness of this whole thing.
Hilda-Ashe@reddit
Limits to Growth is free.
seddryx@reddit
?
fragglerock@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth
extinction6@reddit
Extinction is another limit to growth that is free.
daretoeatapeach@reddit
OP seems absent from these replies, which isn't a good look.
But I think it's far more likely that they're not great at Reddit or promotion than that this is "fishy." Like what is the con? Selling a self published book? Most self published books don't make back the money they spend producing the book.
I think we've hit a pretty fucked place in society where people react with suspicion just because someone wrote a book. Like s/he doesn't even name the book, you had to go digging just to find it.
Granted I've read this whole post and I still don't feel any more informed on societal collapse in history. But remember incompetence is more often the culprit than evil intent.
BigTiddyVampireWaifu@reddit
Same grift as doomsday cults and prosperity preachers. Doesn’t work on people with critical thinking though. OP might want to reconsider their audience.
LucidityDark@reddit
Yeah just by reading the post it feels like OP is trying to sell or advertise something. I don't know why it's being mass upvoted. This subreddit has really declined in quality over the years.
earthkincollective@reddit
People deserve to be compensated for their work. Expecting to read authentically written books for free is just shitty.
No_Aesthetic@reddit
But this isn't an authentically written book. It's pure AI slop.
kokroo@reddit
Yes but the way he's trying to be compensated is sleazy.
Cosmohumanist@reddit
True but the scarcity marketing technique OP is using is inauthentic to this post
mickeythefist_@reddit
Anonymous release means ‘Authored by Chat GPT’
polarbear314159@reddit
Did you notice the transgenderism? I believe it’s strangely reoccurring, no?
Chrono_Pregenesis@reddit
No
polarbear314159@reddit
You never knew that. I understand it’s upsetting.
Chrono_Pregenesis@reddit
Go spread your propaganda elsewhere. Trans has nothing to do with anything. I would think a true Christian understood letting people be who they are. Maybe you should ask God why he creates so many trans people?
polarbear314159@reddit
The facts are the facts and oddly it shows up towards the end of every great empire and civilization. There are serious anthropologists who have observed this and investigated it. Why does it happen? well not well understood but it might be caused by heightened anxiety in mothers causing endocrine disruption. Nobody really knows but it absolutely exists as a pattern, like it or not.
Fantastic_Tell_1509@reddit
Hah, what?
apoletta@reddit
Deleted? Fill me in?
deleted_by_reddit@reddit
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Ragfell@reddit
I could have told you in 2016 that we were following Ancient Rome's downfall...except in our case, we let the invaders in willingly under the guise of cheap products and security. They didn't even have to invade -- we opened the gates!
Of course, most nations barely last past 80 years...or 150. And at both of those benchmarks there's usually a civil war. We had one, but not the other. We're overdue. It sucks.
Effective_Repair_468@reddit
The time frame I’ve seen around here is 7 more years until shit hits the fan. Can anyone explain why 7 more years specifically?
Ragfell@reddit
Because seven years is just long enough to be urgent but far enough away to make money preparing for the collapse. Don't believe me? Consider doomsday cults, who often say "the end" is between 7-11 years away...and then their prophet conveniently says they received a vision or whatever, and the end is ACTUALLY about...another 7-11 years away.
mermaidsoul02@reddit
Wow!! Finally I find my echo! I, too, know what happens next because I lived through it in my country of origin, circa 1990 and ongoing. I could practically "see the future" here in the States...
I warned friends and relatives: do not vote for this person, he needs a free pass out of prison, he doesn't care about us or this country, he is saying out loud what millions of people have been saying privately for decades and now found their voice, their natural racism, bigotry, misogyny, discrimination and general hate now have a loud voice. I already lived through it. I know.
The ONLY differences between both characters are that this person is white, and has a unique last name. Ours was the opposite on both counts. However, both share same social resentment, same narcissistic personality, same family dynamics, same political persona. I just hope this great country has the guts and the tools to stop its auto destruction.
ImportantDetective65@reddit
This post needs to be removed for breaking the sub rule about self promotion. This is a grifter selling you two chapters for 10 pounds.
This whole post needs taken down. Amazing how many of you fell for it. This sub is in a spiral.
TrickyProfit1369@reddit
Yeah the quality of content is worse lately. Just shitty ramblings and now a grifter got upvoted to the top.
ImportantDetective65@reddit
It has really noticeably gotten worse in the last six months. Don't get me wrong, it was downhill till then and occasionally spikes happen (2016 or COVID for example) but there are so many people here that don't even understand the fundamentals of what this sub is about....at all. Instead of educating themselves they just spew their misguided propagandized opinions and their "solutions" as if they are the only ones to contemplate such things. There is very little what I would call medium level content and almost no high level thinking going on here anymore. It is chock full of bad liberal takes and this place had a firmly leftist (not liberal) slant until there seemingly was a mass exodus by the old heads that were here. It is really a shame.
TheHipcrimeVocab@reddit
I remember when it was a lot of scientific articles about energy, ecology, economics, sociology, agriculture, etc. There was a lot of discussion about things like Limits to Growth, Howard T. Odum's work about the role of energy in social systems, the energetic basis of the economy, and so forth. It had an intellectual vibe.
Now it's just random bad news, poorly-written rants, and Russian propaganda; or nonsense like the post above. It's degraded just like the entire platform. Nate Hagens seems to be the only person keeping those kinds of discussions alive, and even he's been known to spew Russian propaganda on occasion.
xEgghead@reddit
fr ? when has he said russian propaganda
mixmastablongjesus@reddit
CCP Propaganda also
LongTimeChinaTime@reddit
Well from my point of view, with the accelerated technological advances and a history of extremely creepy social and technological attacks I’ve endured for the last decade and a half, I can almost assuredly inform you that, in fact, there definitely is some kind of terrifying alien/god-back tech invasion or multidimensional conflicts /plans going on. A theory that I frequently sense is some sort of alien federation battle or infiltration, either between two battling alien federations, or possibly just one federation that has inserted itself into hominid species that originated here on earth. The more places I turn to for answers the more varied my potential interpretations get so I can only say I don’t have a fucking clue because I’d be lying if i said I did.
LongTimeChinaTime@reddit
But did you ever get to a point where so much information is available that seemingly contradicts itself to where you enter a dissociative state and start flirting with the kosmos?
LucidityDark@reddit
There's a great irony in this subreddit undergoing its own collapse.
ImportantDetective65@reddit
For sure there is.
bendallf@reddit
And people should not be paid for their work either? If you think it cost too much money or just cannot afford it, don't buy it then. The sad reality there are a ton of people who need to learn this stuff that will never get the opportunity due to the price tag. Thou, if it was free, that money to produce that book has to come from somewhere. That is how we end up with public relations press releases looking more like what we used to call newspapers back in the day. Thoughts? Thanks.
No_Aesthetic@reddit
OP did no work. This is pure AI slop.
bendallf@reddit
How do you know? Did you buy a copy? Otherwise, you help to make my point. Take care.
No_Aesthetic@reddit
Because the OP itself is AI slop. You can easily generate something similar to this with a single line.
I prompted with this:
And got this:
bendallf@reddit
So what does truth matter anymore in a house full of lies? A.I generated or human created?
No_Aesthetic@reddit
Humans can at least have discernment abilities. A lot haven't learned that skill yet.
daretoeatapeach@reddit
Book promotion professional here. I see these kinds of replies all the time and it really strikes me as evidence of collapse.
I suspect you are aware the vast majority of authors do not make a profit off of their books. Most certainly don't make more than they would make having put the writing time towards working at MacDonald's.
I suspect you're also aware that blogs are dead. Forums like Reddit are among the last open communities.
So having written a book, Reddit is one of the last places for writers to discuss their research.
Yet it seems that our society is so broken that there is no way for a writer to discuss their work, no matter how politely, without at least one thread accusing them of shilling and saying their post should be removed. It's like we've got the point of zero trust in our neighbors.
Meanwhile, capitalism still exists. Writers have to justify their work by selling. That's the system. Sell or starve. So what it seems people want is a world where only rich/famous people can write books, and all discussion is pushed to advertising. I hate that for us, but it seems like that is what you are pushing for.
Here, you have used OP of being a "grifter." That's a pretty extreme accusation to make with no evidence. Or, do you think that any writer who attempts to discuss their research on Reddit is running a con? I can't see how OP could have been more polite, and they don't even name their book or link to their research. Like what exactly is their "grift"? What did they do wrong? Why is it wrong for them to discuss their research? Just because they wrote a book about it?
If you had spent years writing a book and wanted to discuss it, how would you go about doing that without being a con man, in your eyes?
It seems to me impossible.
theclitsacaper@reddit
I don't read books by randos lmao. What are this person's credentials?
Direption@reddit
12 months of research lol.
field_of_lettuce@reddit
This has happened more than once!
LITERALLY THE SAME GUY TRYING TO SHILL HIS BOOK FROM ALMOST A MONTH AGO
ConfoundingVariables@reddit
That should be a ban.
EnticHaplorthod@reddit
Agreed. Here is the same story for free, by a much better author.
The Second Coming
By William Butler Yeats
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
MURDERNAT0R@reddit
But he has personal accounts from people who have previously experienced a civilization collapse
orangedimension@reddit
Idk this post is on brand with the sub in a meta kind of way lol
ImportantDetective65@reddit
Can't deny that. Haha
Maj0r-DeCoverley@reddit
Same feeling. Edgy OP took months to do real researchs we'll know peanuts about, but hey there's a book coming so...
ExistentDavid1138@reddit
I think a major key factor is population. The population over crowding means less resources and more uprisings of violence chaos for a better quality of life the lack of balance bringing down the quality of life. Hell I think the indians of pre colonial era had better lives than the 9-5 work people did fighting for some slice of life.
LessonStudio@reddit
I'm a big fan of when dependency chains break. For example; if chinese deliveries don't keep flowing to the US the most obvious and most reported one will be soviet looking store shelves.
But, the rare earths is a funny one; not the only one; but a funny one Few people realize that nearly every motor in drills, robots, cars, etc use them in quantity.
The US could begin mining and buying them from other people, but they aren't prepared to refine them, nor turn them into the things which people have been ordering from china in quantity.
What other businesses start to falter if they don't get their rare earth products; there are all kinds of other rare earths used in oil refining etc. But, motors are a simple and easy to understand one (somewhat).
Empty retail shelves aren't the only problem. There are the gobs of bits that hospitals use; from the simple like gloves and gowns, to IV lines, to things used in surgury.
Then, there are all the people involved in getting chinese goods from the port to a shopping cart; the warehouse people, the truckers, the retail employees.
Then there are the people who depend on those people, and on and on.
Some areas are easy to fill in the gaps and make do quickly. But some areas are finely tuned to the existing flow of goods. Not only to they come apart if this stops, but in some cases a long gap could see some of these companies retool, go under, or their people just move on.
For example, some of the federal workers recently fired might be among a few dozens of people in the entire world doing that thing. They apprenticed to people who apprenticed to people who apprenticed. If they move on, and the government realizes they were doing a valuable job, it will be insanely hard to hire anyone with the correct skills.
In some cases these people lived in odd places due to the nature of their jobs. The moment they lose their jobs, they would start moving.
In other cases they did their jobs becaused they loved them; but are now working for private industry for far more money; they won't come back.
A two week lull in chinese shipments won't break everything, but some cracks will start to develop. As this goes on longer those cracks will reveal structural weaknesses. Financing which dries up and then goes away.
Another huge factor is the number of countries outside of the US who are OK with it being knocked down a few pegs. This not only means they won't help as they would, even a year ago; but these countries will somewhat actively move onto a post US centric world.
My prediction is that the swift system will see a huge replacement show up. Another is that various countries are now doing trade deals amongst themselves which fly in the face of previous trade agreement with the US.
That is, the US would not have allowed these trade agreements to happen as they were incompatible with existing US ones. But, the US tore up those agreements, and countries are now moving on.
The US will, no doubt, demand that these don't happen, and if they do, that they are dropped; but that isn't going to happen. That ship sailed.
To me; it is systems; and the easiest to understand system is the US sale of debt. As a former treasury secretary recently said: We get great stuff from china in exchange for bits of paper we print; is that a bad deal?
I suspect this deal is now over. People have realized that they were the ones being ripped off. Now, they are going to demand real stuff from the US in exchange for their good stuff. Facebook etc isn't going to be considered good stuff. Commodities are one of the few material goods the rest of the world wants from the US.
tropical58@reddit
You nailed it. The BRICS group is well past what the US cobbled together with the world through economic and military bombing and bribery. US capitalism is cannibalising itself to keep afloat while simultaneously trying to drag all others into the hole they dug for themselves. Their participation in a genocide with israel has confirmed the truth about the US and it can never return to the global community. Much of the world is sanctioning supplies to the US in suble ways of just a few commodities but the real wooden stake is the dumping of trillions in treasury bonds and notes onto the market at discount rates. No one is buying. It has lost its democracy to zionist dictatorship by a foreign power, lost its ability to rebuild by a dysfunctional education system that sees 130 million people with grade 5 reading skills, poisoned the population with pharma that treats symptoms but never cures, and poisoned it's food with chemicals that also disable the ability to produce. The speed at which anarchy arrives will increase, and people will be destitute and desperate by Christmas 25
LessonStudio@reddit
The only briC is china. The rest are just not economically relevant to the world. russia has an economy dwarfed by a very large list. I think ford dwarfs russia.
If india cut itself off from the world tomorrow, very little would change in most people's lives. I would be hard-pressed to find anything within 10 miles of me of any value which came from there. Discount call centers and phone scam isn't a real economy.
Brazil produces a fair amount of food, but, again, doesn't produce much which makes it into the western world outside of oil and a few minerals. Their neighbours find them very important. They would be the greatest loss to the world economy if they just cut themselves off; but not much.
In this sudden world economic reset, the only world leaders I would want to talk to are Xi, and Ursula. The rest are just along for the ride.
The one contribution various micro economies can do in this event is to work with china and the EU to stop cooperating with the US. If they all take the US side, while china and the EU steer in a new direction, it will slow down the end result, but not stop it.
No-Bluebird-5404@reddit (OP)
The preview of Chapter 1 and 2 are now free:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l5Y5eQDcscnWPvSlAQhsz72bFF3ZfoFd/view?usp=drivesdk
Letourse@reddit
I read Tainter's book decades ago. Read this.
“Fragile, impermanent things”: Joseph Tainter on what makes civilizations fall
By Jessica McKenzie | March 12, 2025
In Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
https://thebulletin.org/premium/2025-03/fragile-impermanent-things-joseph-tainter-on-what-makes-civilizations-fall/?utm_source=pocket_saves
PBandJammm@reddit
Surely you've read Collapse by Jared diamond?
RajenBull1@reddit
The revolution is being televised but only on social media, in a very conflicting sort of way.
DoodleGnome@reddit
u/No-Bluebird-5404 would you be open to letting me read your new book? Or what you have so far? I’d be very interested.
AfrolessNinja@reddit
"History never repeats, but it rhymes"
peachycaterpillar@reddit
Need you to provide way more information here. Down to believe you but…need something here.
Megatanis@reddit
I don't know if you are right or wrong but you have a way with words.
randomusernamegame@reddit
Agree, this post is weird af. Just saying what u found
dad4good@reddit
Interested indeed - there is hope ⚡️
FangornEnt@reddit
You an Asimov fan?
neurowhitebread@reddit
What’s the reason for your fear?
Glaucus01@reddit
History: The instruction manual for mankind that no one reads.
thecacathepoopoo@reddit
I think it will too, but I am a bit hopeful it will be replaced with a better system than capitalism and society, socialism. If not well..it was not fun while it lasted lol, that's my only regret.
Confident-Extent-656@reddit
Sorry, these posts are unmitigated cringe.
PedaniusDioscorides@reddit
If anyone is looking for actual answers to what this shill is trying to sell you, look into PostDoom. Michael Dowd (may he rest in peace) is a fountain of knowledge and support. He actually did spend years researching the collapse of societies and shares everything he's learnt, and more, for free. The way it should be with this sort of topic.
rocketflight7583@reddit
Check out the book "The Fourth Turning Is Here" if you haven't already.
digitalhawkeye@reddit
I believe the collapse is here and in motion. My question is what is to be done? 👀
SmellsLikeHotSauce@reddit
Please don’t pedal your paper in a nonacademic at wall jerk
coredweller1785@reddit
The podcast Fall of Civilizations by Paul Cooper is one everyone should listen to.
The depth of history and knowledge is only matched by Mike Duncan's Revolutions.
But FoC shows so many examples and pieces of what we are in for.
What did u read OP? I would go deep with you, let us know your sources
FleshUponGear@reddit
If you’ve been also looking into a lot of neonazism in America, there has been a larger push for economical collapse. There are several training centers throughout America that are preparing them for an all out civil war, that “Boogaloo” code word you been hearing about for the past few years. The FBI has been on top of a few of them, but with the regime change I wouldn’t be all too surprised if operations have halted or outright been outed.
CountLankastir@reddit
Can you give me a list of good books to read on the subject?
WonkoSmith@reddit
As Nietzsche worked out long before you were born, the cause of collapse is from deterioration of value systems, a generational process. He reputedly predicted a "total eclipse of all values" in the 21st century. We're there.
Iamnotheattack@reddit
Have you read any of Peter Turchin's work?
https://seshatdatabank.info/
DoomTiaraMagic@reddit
He did a podcast episode with Nate Hagens in february that was excellent.
Iamnotheattack@reddit
The Great Simplification is amazing
demon_dopesmokr@reddit
Another fan of Peter Turchin here. I've read only End Times so far but I have Ultrasociety and War and Peace and War on my shelf waiting to read next.
Jibrish@reddit
Out of all of the examples in this thread this one appears to be the only one not based on pseudo science.
Ages of Discord, End Times and Complex Population Dynamics were great. They also kind of spit in the face of half this sub in terms of debunking crap but hey.
Will_PNTA@reddit
Everything deleted, send me a link bro in private
NotTheBusDriver@reddit
Yes we did spend 99.9% of our history without antibiotics. And people regularly died from bad teeth, small cuts etc. There’s a reason why life expectancy is so much higher now than it was at the beginning of the 20th century. It’s not just child mortality.
Imagine how HIV might spread without modern drugs or even condoms. We know how that goes because there were African nations that lost an entire generation to the disease.
‘Several African countries, particularly in Southern Africa, experienced devastating losses due to the HIV/AIDS epidemic, leading to a significant reduction in life expectancy and impacting entire generations. Countries like Botswana, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, South Africa, Eswatini, Zambia, and Zimbabwe saw adult HIV prevalence rates exceeding 10%, with some losing up to 20 years of life expectancy. Countries Most Impacted: Southern Africa: Botswana, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, South Africa, Eswatini, Zambia, and Zimbabwe. Other: Nigeria, Kenya, and Uganda also experienced significant impact. Impact on Life Expectancy: Some countries, like Zimbabwe, experienced a loss of 35 years of life expectancy. Botswana, Eswatini, and Lesotho also lost 28 and 24 years respectively. South Africa, with the highest number of people living with HIV, also saw a significant impact. Specific Examples: In South Africa, a study revealed that 28% of schoolgirls were HIV-positive, indicating a high prevalence among young women. Many countries, including those mentioned above, have implemented policies and programs to support orphans and protect their rights. Factors Contributing to the Epidemic: High prevalence rates: Southern Africa, in particular, has seen significantly higher HIV prevalence compared to other regions. Behavioral factors: Cultural practices and high-risk behaviors have contributed to the spread of the virus in some areas. Economic and social disparities: Poverty, lack of access to healthcare, and limited educational opportunities have exacerbated the impact of the epidemic. Progress and Ongoing Challenges: While antiretroviral therapy (ART) has helped improve the lives of people living with HIV, sub-Saharan Africa still accounts for a significant portion of global AIDS-related deaths. Young women, particularly in Southern Africa, continue to face disproportionate burdens of HIV infection. Efforts to prevent new infections, particularly in young women, and to improve access to healthcare are crucial to addressing the ongoing challenges.’
That’s just one of a plethora of diseases that could spread unchecked in a post collapse world.
mamielle@reddit
Will other nations collapse in similar fashion or with others survive/thrive in spite of the US?
kiwijim@reddit
Global trade without the US is akin to the UK without England.
kiwijim@reddit
I agree with your conclusions. If I may add, a concrete, tangible sign would be disruption in trade routes. This may be the cause of collapse, or the result of collapse already happening. Trade disruption adds directly to quality of life of the empire deteriorating and can be a sudden manifestation of the collapse. Bronze age shows significant trade and then a deterioration. Roman empire losing north Africa and the cessation of government grain ships (meaning smaller merchant vessels that traveled with the grain ships for protection stopped) leading to citizens of Rome and the elite not getting what they were used to.
While malaise including distrust in institutions may be the cause, it’s the trade disruption that sends the sucker punch.
Tumbleweed-Artistic@reddit
Ifeelsiikk@reddit
"We now return to when civilisations collapse - on non-stop Fox!"
mujahidean@reddit
Man has always loved his civilisations, but what happens when the civilisations say "no more"?
Ok-Seesaw-339@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0_w87J9Dj0
ibonek_naw_ibo@reddit
Brought to you by Carl's Jr
No_Good_8561@reddit
GET THAT DAMN CAT OF THE WAY!
Majestic_Course6822@reddit
Steve Maetin was a comedic gem.
pandemicblues@reddit
R/unexpectedjohnnycarson?
No_Good_8561@reddit
https://youtu.be/6MzKX0ASS3I
pandemicblues@reddit
https://youtu.be/wRR1aKBOCOQ?feature=shared
Can't find the original. Perhaps it is apocryphal.
pandemicblues@reddit
Yep, found it on r/mandelaeffect https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/s/SJPoXwO3Tk
Campanella-Bella@reddit
Fr fr.
Indigo_Sunset@reddit
The will not be televised
yodogitsreddit@reddit
Chills
Organic-Fartshield@reddit
Well played
Ok-Seesaw-339@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0_w87J9Dj0
Flying-Pizza@reddit
If anyone wants to read some books on how societies collapse and rebuild through waves of technologic and socioeconomic advancements (agriculture, industrial revolution etc.) I'd highly suggest reading Alvin Toffler's "the third wave", "culture shock" and "culture consumers". It will help you get a better understanding of what's happening in society and ride out this madness with a bit more peaceful minds.
Ashamed-Computer-937@reddit
More AI garbage just dropped! I can definitely see the collapse of ability to not use AI for all our research and communication in this post
BokUntool@reddit
AI by default seems the trend.
Dreadsin@reddit
Absolutely. I keep telling people this: America owes its wealth to the fortitude of its institutions. That’s why places like Mexico and Brazil historically haven’t done as well as America. In Mexico, you can just bribe someone to give you your drivers license instead of taking the test, for example. That’s why there’s so many speed bumps on the roads
It infuriates me that people are willing to tear down these institutions to make a quick buck when eroding them will also erode their wealth itself. They’re just so short sighted
PissAunt@reddit
Wow a whole year!
Nobody-Cares1867@reddit
Yup sounds like Canada
dee615@reddit
What about a sudden event turning the collapse around? Could that happen? Has it happened?
smitchlovesfunk@reddit
How long will it take?
state-of-ruin@reddit
It never ceases to alarm me that folks are still catching up to the reality. Still, I'm glad that they are.
justalinuxnoob@reddit
Mods can we please ban this account already? Their post history shows they're just trying to milk easily impressionable individuals for quick money.
gwyp88@reddit
Have you looked at ‘the fate of empires’ by John Glubb?
https://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf
Sharp-Berry-5523@reddit
It’s happening before our very eyes . Only question is will it be fast or slow
Gooligan72@reddit
History may not repeat itself word for word but it sure as fuck rhymes. Do you have some type of background in this stuff ? I would personally really want to read your breakdown of this shitshow.
No_Aesthetic@reddit
OP has no background in anything. In another comment, he remarks that he is a university student also working 16 hour days. His writing style in the other comments where he is actually speaking are completely at variance with the style of this post. It's pure AI slop.
Gooligan72@reddit
Welp nevermind then AI can rot in hell
No-Bluebird-5404@reddit (OP)
Here’s the link to the preview (anonymous release):
https://cycleofcollapse.gumroad.com/l/nqfybo
Two chapters. No fiction. No exaggeration. Just the truth I’ve been building in silence, released before it’s too late.
Imsomniland@reddit
Lol OP grifting off the collapse by selling a PREVIEW of your first two chapters? You're part of the problem. Does your research describe the emergence of scammers like yourself trying to profit off of the thing they see happening?
EntryLevelOpinions@reddit
“I’m not trying to sell anything, just share what I wrote”
Locks the preview behind a paywall
YoSoyZarkMuckerberg@reddit
Some people are just trash
chota-kaka@reddit
Whether it is 6,000 words or 60,000 words I would love to read what you wrote. Can you please DM me the link.
wats4dinner@reddit
If this was Casual Friday i cannot imagine Apocalypse Sunday
WileyCoyote7@reddit
Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, etc. The ~ 250-year great cycle of empires with about three ~ 80-year minor cycles within it. Human nature does not and will not change. Mankind, knowing it is mortal and therefore afraid of death, hedonistic at its core and uniquely capable of grasping the “why” concept in the animal world, can not do better.
Whatever comes after man, I hope it does better. For the Earth and all other life that had no say and no chance with us.
Best_Indication_7741@reddit
paywall
cucaesteves@reddit
i would like to read your text, please
Misanthrope62@reddit
Collapse can’t happen soon enough
ender23@reddit
I’m curious how many Asian and East Asian historical empires did you study? If at all…
AssaultKommando@reddit
Look, we both know the answer. If I'm wrong Id be delighted to eat crow, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
neonium@reddit
Ya, never necessary or inevitable, but manufactured by a mentally ill sort of locusts gnawing the infrastructure that made society posible down to the roots.
We love to bitch about the poor, foreigners, and minorities, but what society actually needs to be on guard against is the upper classes. Fucking undisciplined babies that are handed all the luxury in the world, but still insists on ripping up the floorboards to get at the copper in hopes of more.
Unfortunately, while an FDR style movement, grounded in the understanding that liberalism is a nothing ideology for idiot children, could at least soften the blow of collapse, the troglodytes in charge insists on burning shit down thinking they're geniuses that will naturally rule over the wreckage.
It's increasingly clear these fucking clowns think they can let total ecological, ocean, and atmospheric system collapse happen, all while the infrastructure to even try to manage that is looted and destroyed, lock down borders and try to rule over the fragments of society. Absurdly braindead idea. Totally delusional as to the scope of problem and the consequences we face.
rmannyconda78@reddit
That pattern, that loop, in all its brutal glory will go on and on forever (forever, forever…)
squidgybaby@reddit
Hey OP if you spent the last 12 months working on this with a public AI model you should know that its biggest training data set comes from the end of 2023 and it you didn't frequently keep it updated on the date/changes it would think you were living two years ago... and it prioritizes safety and stability, so if you escalated the urgency (like in a collapse scenario) it would often revert to internal reasoning and discard your simulation to track a path it could model more safely, like a novel or a game or a world with institutional guardrails in place (bet your scenario relies on scientists and FEMA and research being funded and America being respected as a global leader.. all outdated and unpredictable now). There have some updates over the last couple weeks to gpt that are making it better, but it's still basically role playing with you and going wherever you lead it.. and internally it reasons like it's two years ago.. well.. until recently (like.. literally in the last week) it started being able to internally reference a date/time tagged to the session data so it doesn't tell you to trust people/systems that are no longer relevant or no longer stable. So... yeah. Just fyi. It's fiction, not prediction.
mjdau@reddit
Nice work OP. I'm wondering if you have read Collapse, by Jared Diamond. In his book he reviews several past civilisations that failed (and some that were close to failing and pulled out of the nose dive), and identifies five consistent factors behind their collapses. He them applies these metrics to our global civilisation (especially the developed world) and suggests that because we 'peg the meter' on all five, our outlook isn't good (to put it mildly).
I would be interested to hear you compare your work against his.
Striking_Day_4077@reddit
He sucks and so does his book
EnticHaplorthod@reddit
Agree that Paul Cooper's Fall of Civilizations Podcast is the best out there, and agree, he does annihilate the Jared Diamond Rapa Nui (Easter Island) narrative excellently with much data derived from actual archaeological sources.
mjdau@reddit
Ad hominem attack. Someone can be a wanker and still have important things to say. Would be more interested to hear your personal disagreements with his points or methodology.
redabishai@reddit
I have a history degree and we learned reaearch and historiography. Jared Diamond is not generally considered academic by most historians.
A quick and dirty list of general "reasons":
Historians and anthropologists often emphasize human agency, contingency, politics, culture, and random events.
They argue Diamond downplays these in favor of environment and material conditions.
Scholars say he often flattens complexity into easy narratives.
Human history is messy, full of exceptions, contradictions, and contingency — but Diamond sometimes presents broad "one-size-fits-all" explanations.
Diamond is a biologist (specialty in physiology and ornithology), not a trained historian or archaeologist.
Guns, Germs, and Steel synthesizes a lot of other people's research rather than contributing new primary research or archival work.
Academics sometimes criticize him for misunderstanding or misrepresenting details in history, anthropology, and archaeology.
Ironically, while Diamond explicitly tries to argue against racist views of European domination ("it’s not because Europeans were smarter"), some critics feel that his explanations still subtly center European success as the historical endpoint.
Some scholars think his framing treats non-European civilizations as passive victims of fate, rather than active, complex agents in their own right.
In Collapse, for example, his treatment of societies like the Maya or Easter Island has been challenged by archaeologists.
New evidence suggests that environmental collapse wasn't the sole or even main cause in some cases — warfare, political decisions, disease, and trade shifts played bigger roles than Diamond's framework allows.
TL;DR
His books aren't "bad" — they are thought-provoking and very good at connecting broad patterns across time and space.
But they are not cutting-edge scholarship — and they sometimes lead readers to believe there's one grand, simple explanation for human history when it's actually much more complex.
He's better seen as a popularizer: he introduces big ideas to general readers but sometimes simplifies or overgeneralizes beyond what the evidence supports.
Striking_Day_4077@reddit
Ok dude. It’s pop history that isn’t researched particularly well. He has this grand narrative and he finds stories that fit into it. There’s a lot of these guys and pinker and uval harari both come to mind, gladwell also. They use their name to sell books at airports which people read and talk about like they know shit. Anyway the podcast I linked does a deep dive into what actually killed off Easter islanders and it wasn’t that they cut down all the trees to make sculptures. As if that even needs to be said. I don’t even really know much about him as a person. His books are dumb and most people could do better given the time and budget to just go off.
myshtree@reddit
I read collapse years ago but my memory of his Easter island hypothesis was that he differed from the understood tree cutting for sculpture theory, it was more to do with the ecological damage and disease that happened due to ineffective management of their island ecosystem and resources. I’d have to go back and look again but I always thought he was the first person I’d encountered that challenged that narrative - not that he reinforced it?
crocodilehivemind@reddit
Why?
Overthemoon64@reddit
The part on easter island is just wrong. He makes it sound like it was their own fault for cutting down the trees when it was mostly white people kidnapping slaves and I think introducing rats to the island. I may be mixing up my white vs. indigenous population stories. I don’t think its fair to compare that civilization with the greenland one.
huron9000@reddit
Clearly, it’s always white people’s fault no matter where or when in the world.
tmart42@reddit
I mean…usually. Colonialism ruined this world, and many civilizations and people’s lives and legacy.
erockfpv@reddit
The Holy Roman Empire did all that colonization.
tmart42@reddit
Uhhh...I mean are you and I talking about the same colonization? What are you talking about?
Rob_Haggis@reddit
True. I am a white person and my wife blames me for everything.
huron9000@reddit
Case in point.
Conclavicus@reddit
The island had already collapsed when occidental powers found it.
CurReign@reddit
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/07/210713090153.htm
mjdau@reddit
Makes it sound like everything was fine until the whiteys showed up. No. The Easter Islanders were well down the collapse path through their own efforts.
CountySufficient2586@reddit
Inbreeding hihi
Grouchy_Ad_3705@reddit
Inca were taking them as slaves.
IAMA_Drunk_Armadillo@reddit
The Our Fake History podcast has a thorough 2-part series on the problem with Guns Germs and Steel
part 1
MaxPower303@reddit
Why do?
-druesukker@reddit
Actual historians say that his claims are misleading, simplified, and overly trying to fit things into a convenient narrative.
kokomala@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/@FallofCivilizations
mediumstem@reddit
I second that podcast. And the perspective you get from it makes what is happening now make more sense. It sort of snaps you out of your normalcy bias.
No_Aesthetic@reddit
OP wrote nothing substantive in this post or at all, because this is AI slop. It's superficially compelling, but that's all it is. Notice it just appeals to tropes about collapse without going into so much as a single iota of detail.
bringmethesampo@reddit
It is fairly important for folks to listen to this short episode of "It Could Happen Here" that aired last week. Journalist Robert Evans breaks down a pragmatic guide for the next 6 months.
CadaverMutilatr@reddit
Which civilizations and their collapse did you study?
No-Bluebird-5404@reddit (OP)
The Roman Empire The Mayan Empire The Mesopotamian Civilisation The Mali Empire The San People of South Africa The Iroquois Confederacy The British Empire The Weimar Republic The Soviet Union Post WW2 USA, UK, India, Brazil, Venezuela etc and much more
ExtensionEmployer359@reddit
You are correct. All civilizations sooner or later, fail. Big deal. I don’t care. I’m an old man and just like George Carlin. I just wanna watch society burn. If the human spec go extinct, it’s no loss. Either another intelligent species will replace us in a few million years, or will do without an intelligent species, and we’ll just have life on earth of some type. In a few billion years, the planet will be roasted anyway. In a few 100 million years, it will not be able to support life anyway
Father_John_Moisty@reddit
You have some incredibly vague statements of when collapse begins. They sound like complete bullshit. What does it mean that “truth becomes optional”? Are you saying the norm is that truth is required? If so, then why does that say about American government lies about the starts of many of our wars?
Can you provide some details?
Just to pick one big, “civilization” that I’m guessing you are referring to: How, during the Roman empire, did economic growth become ritual, not reality?
Provide examples from your research of archived economic data.
Too far back?
Then you provide a list of the civilizations that you studied, so we can see what examples you are referring to.
If I get no response, or a vague response that tries to sell something, then I think everyone should take it as a sign that this is a bot account and block u/No-Bluebird-5404.
(Ignore the random phrase with numbers on the end as a sign of a bot account.)
No-Bluebird-5404@reddit (OP)
Fair point. Let’s be specific, because you’re right, collapse isn’t about grand ideas, it’s about patterns that show up on the ground long before the collapse becomes visible.
Take the Roman Empire, for example: inflation in the denarius (the silver coin) began long before the political collapse. Silver content was secretly reduced, until by the third century AD, coins were almost worthless. Official narratives kept claiming stability, but on the ground, truth became optional. People started using barter instead of currency, because the ‘official economy’ became a ritual lie.
Same thing happened before the collapse of the Soviet Union: false GDP growth statistics, meaningless five-year plans, all while basic goods disappeared. Again, truth became optional. Reality was substituted by performance.
I go through examples like these across multiple civilizations in the book, using archived economic data, survivor accounts, and historical records. From the Romans to the British, the Mayans to the Mesopotamians, and all the modern parallels.
StimmingAllDayOHGOD@reddit
why did this post get so many upvotes when it literally says nothing of substance and the link OP shared is paywalled? wtf is happening to this subreddit
hiddendrugs@reddit
Collapse by jared diamond beat you to it but ayeee
Serious-Employee-738@reddit
Have you ever heard of Jared Diamond? You could have read the book and saved yourself a year.
241ShelliPelli@reddit
I’m interested in hearing what you have to say
BeardedGlass@reddit
"The Death of Ordinary Things"
Derry’s last traffic light died on a Tuesday. Not with a bang, not with a spark—just a slow, greasy dimming until the red turned the color of old blood, then nothing. No one reported it. No one cared. The town had already stopped fixing things that couldn’t scream.
I noticed because I teach history at the middle school. Or taught. They closed us down last month—“budget realignment,” the letter said—but I still walk the empty halls sometimes. Dust motes swim in the projector light, and the maps on the walls still show countries that don’t exist anymore. Kids used to laugh when I’d say, “Civilizations don’t fall, kids. They crumble. You don’t notice until you’re choking on the dust.”
They’re not laughing now.
July
The first sign wasn’t the riots or the shortages. It was the meetings. Endless town hall meetings where men in cheap suits nodded solemnly and promised “structural reforms.” Meanwhile, the water from the elementary school taps started smelling like pennies. Parents bought bottled. The school board called it a “seasonal anomaly.”
October
Mrs. Henderson’s boy disappeared on the West Branch Trail. Search parties found his bike, handlebars twisted like licorice. The sheriff said “animal attack,” but the kid’s sneakers were laid neatly beside the trail, laces tied in double bows. “Move along,” the sheriff told the news van. “Nothing to see.”
We all knew. We all said nothing.
January
The power grid started skipping days. Wednesdays, mostly. You’d wake up, and the clocks would blink *00:00*, and the fridge would hum that dead motor sound. Folks blamed renewables. Blamed coal. Blamed the “damn Canadians.” The truth? No one knew. The linemen just shrugged. “System’s tired,” one told me, lighting a cigarette off a live wire. “Ain’t we all?”
March
They cancelled the election. Not officially—the ballots just… never arrived. The town Facebook group fizzed with memes, then went quiet. Someone posted a photo of the empty clerk’s office, chairs overturned, VOTE HERE signs trampled. The comments section filled with recipes for zucchini bread.
Tonight
I’m writing this in the middle of Route 2, because why not? No cars. No cops. The asphalt’s warm, like the road’s still dreaming of being lava. I’ve got my laptop and twelve pages of notes that won’t matter tomorrow.
They’re coming.
Not soldiers. Not zombies. Just the folks from down the hill. The Millers. Old Mrs. Peabody. The guy who used to fix lawnmowers. They’ve got that look now—the hollow stare of people who finally realized the food won’t last the winter.
I showed them my research once. Graphs of Rome’s grain prices before the fall. Photos of 1970s Beirut, shops open amid sniper fire. “See?” I said. “It’s a loop. We’re the loop.”
Mrs. Peabody just patted my hand. “Honey, graphs won’t stop hungry.”
collapse-ModTeam@reddit
Articles, charts, or data-driven posts must include a source either within the image or in a submission statement. AI Generated posts and comments must state their source.
Banned: DailyMail, Twitter/X
Preferably submit in-depth content (eg papers, articles) over short-form content (eg Bluesky, Mastadon) to avoid 'sound bites' and low effort content. All contents' authors must be 'credible' (eg recognized credentials, industry respect/history, well known science communicator)
Causerae@reddit
This is amazing, thanks for posting
King is such a treasure
TempoMortigi@reddit
What is this from? Google is not being my friend.
ErrorReport404@reddit
I would also like to know. I tried but failed at Google
No_Aesthetic@reddit
It's AI slop. If you knew what authors specifically the person who posted it requested ChatGPT to sound like you could create it nearly word for word. I suspect it was at least partly based on King because of the beginning mention of Derry.
SerdanKK@reddit
Everyone loves it, but it's "slop".
No_Aesthetic@reddit
Slop is not a judgment on the quality of the work from a subjective perspective but rather the fact that AI-generated content always follows the same formulas and is therefore easy to spot if you've interacted with it enough. It's the same copy and paste pseudo-deep stuff over and over again.
Hell, pigs certainly like their slop, but that doesn't mean it's gourmet cooking.
SerdanKK@reddit
Antis keep saying that, but you're the one who chose to use a word that is very strongly associated with low quality.
Just call it AI. "Slop" adds no useful information. It's just signaling your contempt.
Pigs are not discerning. Slop is all the food waste the humans don't want to eat.
No_Aesthetic@reddit
I am not anti-AI as you can see from my post history. I use AI and defend it where appropriate, including in creative applications.
But when a person adds nothing of their own and merely generates entire texts wholesale based on other people's works, that is a big problem.
And yes, it is exactly the waste of other humans. It's what's left over when the human part is removed entirely.
SerdanKK@reddit
space_guy95@reddit
Based on the lack of results people are seeing when searching for this, it seems like AI to me. It can be quite convincing at imitating famous authors writing styles and writing short stories, given the right prompt.
It also has the tell-tale em-dashes that ChatGPT overuses in its writing. The — character isn't on a standard keyboard so it's rare to see it used in any human typing, as the shorter hyphen - is much easier and fills the same role.
Hydraxxon@reddit
I used to move to use em dashes, to the point that I assigned it to a macro key on my keyboard. GenAi has made me lose my love of the em dash. It is very sad (for me).
KittyGrewAMoustache@reddit
I love an em dash!
JungleBoyJeremy@reddit
I want to know too!
No_Aesthetic@reddit
It's AI slop. There is no actual author. It's an amalgam of styles, which is why it begins with the mention of Derry a la King.
HousesRoadsAvenues@reddit
I agree. IF it were King, there would be italics.
JungleBoyJeremy@reddit
No_Aesthetic@reddit
ChatGPT.
No_Aesthetic@reddit
It's nothing to do with King. It's literally just AI slop.
Flynb@reddit
Okay I’ve looked everywhere and I can’t find this. If anybody does find the source later please leave in comments
AnRealDinosaur@reddit
I believe it is "The Death of Ordinary Things" by David Nickle, although that was quite the search and I can't find much evidence of it so I may be way off. It reminded me of the intro story from "It Could Happen Here" and the whole "Crumbles" concept. I actually thought it was that at first and went through transcripts but didn't find it.
No_Aesthetic@reddit
It isn't anything by David Nickle. It's AI slop intended to sound like a composite of different authors.
AnRealDinosaur@reddit
Damn, really? That must be why I wasn't able to find this exact passage anywhere on the internet. That really blows. I'm so sick of this garbage impersonating people who actually create things. Even more of a bummer that someone would think this sub would be receptive to using it.
No_Aesthetic@reddit
Yeah I've actually read David Nickle, which is an odd crossover I wasn't expecting to happen today. It's not like David Nickle is a widely known author, but when I was homeless I used to sit around the whole day it was open and just read. I did this for about 8 years straight. I've plowed through more books than I could even count. It's not Nickle, but it does seem to have some stylistic similarities, so that may have been one of the things the OP suggested it draw from.
AnRealDinosaur@reddit
Ooh, do you have any recommendations or favorites?
Ra2djic55@reddit
It’s strange, because Derry is a fictional town created by Stephen King. Maybe this author was inspired by King?
AnRealDinosaur@reddit
I was wrong about the author, apparently it's just Ai trash which is a huge bummer. I actually live up in Maine and while we don't have a Derry, there is one in NH not all that far away! I don't think that Derry was the inspiration but it's still a neat useless fact.
nottobytobytoby@reddit
We have a Derry in Ireland 🇮🇪
Flynb@reddit
Yeah I thought that was what it was first then I thought King
Ra2djic55@reddit
Fair enough, but I assumed the second largest city in Northern Ireland would be too big of a city to not care about their traffic lights. Also the story references a Sheriff and the Western Trail. Not sure if Irish police can be Sheriffs too, though.
DeleteriousDiploid@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derry
No_Aesthetic@reddit
There is no source. It's not "The Death of Ordinary Things" as mentioned below. It's AI slop based on different authors the original poster suggested.
Flynb@reddit
Yeah I got a feel for King (mainly the mentioning of Derry) and the writing of it felt a bit flip floppy, a bit inconsistent with the period setting. There’s nothing concrete to suggest that, it was more of a vibe i got from the text
OGSyedIsEverywhere@reddit
Damn this ai slop has developed into a good short-form writer. This is like a denser, tastier version of Document recovered from the Marianas Trench.
At least if ai progress continues we can look forward to a tide of generated fiction that's good enough to count as schedule 1 narcotics.
milka121@reddit
This is so well written! Love the opening especially - one paragraph and it's already established everything it needs, very neat
No_Aesthetic@reddit
It's very well written indeed. Because it's AI slop and it's comprised of certain authors the original poster asked it to do a composite of.
milka121@reddit
Oh, well, that's disappointing
No_Aesthetic@reddit
Ironically, it's a good argument for more people using AI. After you interact with ChatGPT enough, you spot this shit instantly.
Recent-Assistant8914@reddit
RemindMe! -7 days
No_Aesthetic@reddit
I hate to break it to you but this was for nothing because it's AI slop.
Recent-Assistant8914@reddit
Dang, thx. Not bad though. We're cooked
theplotthinnens@reddit
RemindMe! -7 days
No_Aesthetic@reddit
This won't get you anything because it's AI slop.
LaTulipeBlanche@reddit
RemindMe! -7 days
ktulenko@reddit
RemindMe! -7 days
No_Aesthetic@reddit
Better cancel your reminder because this is AI slop.
No_Aesthetic@reddit
There is nothing for the poster to point to because it's AI generated.
raunchypellets@reddit
I'd buy this book.
No_Aesthetic@reddit
It's ChatGPT generated, which is why I suspect this will become a very big problem in the near future.
Causerae@reddit
Where is this excerpted from? I assumed a short story but I can't find it
Thanks!
No_Aesthetic@reddit
ChatGPT. It's pure AI slop intended to sound like King or Cormac McCarthy or some mix of them.
rosemyst21@reddit
You know it’s bad when reality is accurately being depicted in a Stephen King novel 😩
No_Aesthetic@reddit
OP had nothing at all to say, because this entire text is AI slop. Someone else called OP out on bot posting and OP said this:
These are not the words, or the arguments, of a powerful writer. Nor is someone under these circumstances capable of doing an astonishing year of research and writing a whole book about it, which they've then tried to ship to multiple publishers. (A year of research isn't actually anything at all, mind you, but if OP's schedule is really that stacked, it's hard to imagine them doing any substantive research whatsoever.)
Kooky-Complaint-9253@reddit
Universal compliancy and illusion are the main reasons of collapse. ;)
HuskerYT@reddit
My AI detector went off from this post.
Something_Clever919@reddit
After Skool did a fantastic job with this general concept; sometimes videos really do put words to shame. https://youtu.be/uqsBx58GxYY
TokhangStation@reddit
Where is this write-up?
Intertravel@reddit
The world is literally collapsing around us while we scroll TikTok.
Waste-Industry1958@reddit
Great post, but I don’t see any new insights or analysis I can’t read everywhere else.
A tip would be to just be open about your book release. People are afraid, so there’s a market for your book. This is very subtle advertising and it might come across a little weird to people here.
johnnycashfangrl@reddit
Sometimes I think this sub should be called r/collapseporn …. Nuclear War!!! zombies!!! Hiding in the woods with all my survival skills!!! … sorry guys, it ain’t gonna happen like that.
Things will get worse. Then they’ll get better. Systems will collapse and new systems will be built.
.
wishnana@reddit
As an avid doomreader (if that is what is the proper term, for reading about how past civilizations came and ended), I’m interested in a good read.
No_Aesthetic@reddit
Go to ChatGPT and ask it for some doomsday predictions, then, because that's exactly what OP did.
FakeGamer2@reddit
I'm interested in your story but first can you please advise is this research and writing all you or is there any AI involved?
DevilsAdvotwat@reddit
Out of interest if AI was involved does that increase or decrease your opinion on the work?
If someone uses any of the LLMs Deep Research modules to generate an in depth research report with well researched accurate citations is that a positive or negative in your opinion?
No_Aesthetic@reddit
It certainly doesn't speak well of someone if the entirety of their research is AI-driven because AI is highly prone to make mistakes and outright fabrications. AI can be a good tool if you know how to use it.
By the way, OP's entire post is AI. There is nothing substantive here. It is superficial, shallow, and appeals entirely to tropes.
No_Aesthetic@reddit
Not only is AI involved, it's pure AI slop.
IM_NOT_BALD_YET@reddit
He’s selling the first two chapters for £6. You can still grab the link to buy from the first post he tried this with - that was already removed. This guy is a joke. His shit is regularly removed from this sub.
No_Aesthetic@reddit
This post is pure AI slop and the account used to post it is a bot account. The only way OP will actually respond to any comment themselves is if you mention it being a bot account, at which point OP gets a notification and responds with their actual typing style, which looks like this:
These are not the words of an astonishing talent who is overworked and underpaid. These are the words of a mediocre talent with no substantive thoughts on anything in particular using ChatGPT generated text to make some extra money.
If it wasn't r/collapse, it would be some other subreddit with an audience primed to eat up anything that plays to their biases by sounding superficially deep.
Notice that the original text says nothing new or nothing specific, it's all general stuff about the most common collapse ideas. It's couched in a flowery speaking style that makes it sound more pressing by appeals to emotion. This is quite different than something you might read from, for example, Naomi Klein.
No specifics, nothing new, nothing deep.
Sad_Bookkeeper_8228@reddit
Are you addressing capital realism and hyper normalization? From your intro those terms seem relevant.
RichGullible@reddit
You didn’t have to do all this work, bro. There’s a podcast called “Fall of Civilizations” that did it for you already.
No_Aesthetic@reddit
OP didn't do any work, this is pure ChatGPT
Cosmohumanist@reddit
Yes but then how can OP sell a book?
iamabigfatguy@reddit
What are the signs. I am genuinely interested to know if there is a statistical model behind it. Like the fictional Psychohistory .
iamabigfatguy@reddit
Existential dread will return after a word from our sponsors
averagelatinxenjoyer@reddit
This didn’t start a year ago or under trump, this is a development since at least 30y.
Ur wall of text is a book advertisement. A book u v written after studying 12 month. This sub will eat it up tho, r collapse long gone
Philomath117@reddit
I have a theory that follows the Fermi paradox. The great filter is that all intelligent life succeeds in evolving through resource scavenging and hording. And like all civilizations failing through resource destruction or war, the majority of all life fails interplanetary exploration due to destroying their planet in the same means.
Comeino@reddit
Read Jeremy England. You are very close
6502zx81@reddit
I'm thinking something similar. It is impossible to maintain a large society. Small societies may work (family, clubs, villages, small cities). Everything larger collapses.
midipoet@reddit
I am not sure if a year's study is enough for the price of the preview.
Proof-Necessary-5201@reddit
And since you have studied this hard enough, you know there is no stopping this, right? It doesn't hurt to learn how it happens though.
Nightmare_999666@reddit
is it really a bad thing at this point....seeing the state of people, human connections, insane ideologies, the end of the natural order...collapse seems merciful....
CoolTomatoh@reddit
The quote a Bad Religion song:
Long ago in a dusty village full of hunger, pain, and strife A man came forth with a vision of truth and the way to a better life He was convinced he had the answer And he compelled people to follow along But the hunger never vanished and the man was banished And the village dried up and died
At a time when wise men peered through glass tubes toward the sky The heavens changed in predictable ways and one man was able to find That he had thought he found the answer, and he was quick to write his revelation But as they were scrutinized, in his colleagues' eyes he soon became a mockery
Don't tell me about the answer 'cause then another one will come along soon I don't believe you have the answer, I've got ideas too But if you got enough naivety, and you've got conviction Then the answer is perfect for you
An urban sprawl sits choking on its discharge, overwhelmed by industry Searching for a modern day savior from another place, inclined toward charity Everyone's begging for an answer without regard to validity The searching never ends, it goes on and on, and on for eternity
Don't tell me about the answer 'cause then another one will come along soon I don't believe you have the answer, I've got ideas too But if you got enough naivety, and you've got conviction Then the answer is perfect for you The answer is perfect for you
Flynb@reddit
RemindMe! -7 days
stormyeyed94@reddit
I'll read this if you share a link OP
bill_b4@reddit
History teaches us that man learns nothing from history
clickytabs@reddit
Just a tip based on my own personal opinion. I’m interested in the subject matter, but the writing style is grating. I’d love to read a factual historical account like you describe, but it’s written like a bad drama.
“There is a pattern. A brutal, repeating loop across empires” 🥱
Vaevictisk@reddit
You guys are so, so gullible
NanditoPapa@reddit
I mean... You obviously know you're going to get downvoted, so what's your end goal, your point? You go into a sub with a clear perspective and try to shame people that are genuinely worried about the state of the world and the lives of their loved ones and you think... What? All it does is make you a troll. A shitty person. Just stick to the subs that bring you joy and leave people alone that aren't bothering you.
barzaan001@reddit
It is often darkest before the dawn. a new time is upon us, where anything is possible, even salvation. the only question is what do you believe in? forget looking outside for answers, there are no trails in the wind no answers in the external. look within, then move accordingly. it's not going to be a collapse it's going to be a restructuring. don't lose faith in humans just yet, we've made it all the way here haven't we? there are still many black swan events yet to come.
quequotion@reddit
In university I had the opportunity to sit in on an anthropology class covering pre-colonial North American civilizations.
The professor once said "Humans are historically short-term planners."
In this aspect, I do not believe we have evolved in the least.
Those people discovered technology, built cities, raised armies, had civilization... and then they didn't.
OP is correct, it generally wasn't sudden; although they had very different systems than ours.
Often, they simply failed to appreciate the complexity of their environment or their dependence on neighboring populations.
Most died out or dispersed when critical resources became scarce: the river changed direction after a flood, a longer than usual drought, the crops caught a disease, etc.
Some were defeated by victory: conflict hampered trade networks, reduced population growth, or wasted resources.
Overall, the common factor was complacency.
Pepole got used to the idea that they were on top, that their society functioned sustainibly, and that they were special.
None of us are special.
We've wrecked the global environment.
This will kills us all.
We've allowed ideas to overcome reality.
This will kill us all.
We've commited to fighting one another when we've never been more interdependent.
This will kill us all.
Alarming_Award5575@reddit
not selling anything!!! just asking for six quid in exchange for the work which is NOT FOR SALE!
nakedonmygoat@reddit
I have a BA in history and have always preferred history to novels. Your take is correct.
While there's always a non-zero chance that a nuclear strike or asteroid will take out the planet, it's usually far more likely that collapse will be slow, except for localized exceptions. Perhaps it's faster now than in past eras, due to climate change and our technology, but the doomsday mindset that one day we'll wake up to find the lights are out all over the world and no one is coming to help is unlikely.
In the absence of a catastrophic event, civilizations take generations to fall. Each generation has a slightly lower quality of life than the previous one, until the "good old days" are just a myth handed down from the past.
obinice_khenbli@reddit
Sounds more like you're describing the shitshow that is the USA rather than our whole global civilisation.
The USA might fall if they don't take drastic immediate action to turn things around, sure, but the rest of us will still be here building for a better tomorrow.
BiteTheMeme@reddit
For everyone interested in this topic , I recommend a book, "The Prophets of Doom".For me, it was the biggest eye opener and gave you so many other things to research and read yourself .We know that their are cycles in civilizations life. We just don't know them well enough.
False_Celebration923@reddit
DM me link please
Usr_name-checks-out@reddit
This is the exact description of the Adam Curtis documentary Hypernormalization https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation
DecrimIowa@reddit
check out "Manias, Panics and Crashes" by Charles Kindleberger. sounds like the type of thing you'd be interested in, and very relevant to our current situation
justMatt275@reddit
it's not a collapse, it's a reset.
olderthaniam@reddit
Morris Berman sends his regards.
FilialFruitTango2468@reddit
So how do we fight back now? How do we as a collective come together to say no to the Oligarchs?
DaFuK_4@reddit
We have to physically remove them. Unfortunately, it would need to be a MASSIVE amount of ppl to work.
FilialFruitTango2468@reddit
World has 8 billion humans, they're only 1% of it
DaFuK_4@reddit
It’s the actually getting the ppl that’s the issue. Some are complacent, some don’t have the means.. etc.
sardoodledom_autism@reddit
Buddy, our economy died in 2008
We are just on life support until someone pulls the plug
thethatonedude@reddit
Wow 12 months?!?!
Educational-Tree4281@reddit
Share it
boleslaw_chrobry@reddit
Have you just been reading Ray Dalio’s latest stuff
blobkinggg@reddit
You expect people to pay just to read your preview? Just post your insights dude or at least be honest that all you’re trying to do is sell some shit.
superander@reddit
!remindme 3 days
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Sally_Stitches_@reddit
As someone with brain fog issues I would love like a summary of them main events?
tummysnuggles@reddit
WOW A WHOLE YEAR!?
AntiAoA@reddit
Robert Evans refers to this as "the crumbles".
Rachemsachem@reddit
LINK PLEASEE
Rachemsachem@reddit
i would love if you listedd a bibliography of all your sourcdes
Blackjacket757@reddit
Where’s the link? I’m in.
Sure_Opportunity_543@reddit
The end is nigh. Learn many different skills sets while you have time.
Perfect_Sentence6339@reddit
The collapse is like late stage cancer. Once you feel it, it is already too late.
BigJSunshine@reddit
Man that is a waste of a year, when someone (me) could have told you this over a glass of wine
Miscalamity@reddit
Salute!
Crepuscular_Apricity@reddit
I would love to hear about and/or read your research. I don't need convincing that we are at the end of a cycle, and potentially the worst one ever, but further insight into collapse is always nice.
apoletta@reddit
Pm me?
Estudiier@reddit
Yup- here we go
SoulReaver-SS@reddit
Do you have anything to improve upon Peter Turchin's work?
21plankton@reddit
Please tell us the next chapter!
HeroldOfLevi@reddit
Start new system
Laijou@reddit
+1, we drift into collapse through complacency and creating division, rather than fostering unity. It's like we forget that no matter what our idealogies/tribal positions are, sometimes need to make soft compromises to be cohesive, functional societies. As a wise primate once said, "Apes together, strong...". Great post, respect.
No_Guess_1489@reddit
Would love the link and learn more. Thank you for doing this work, OP!
Spuckler_Cletus@reddit
A whole year? Why? There are multiple 5 minute YouTube videos that explain it well.
housemusicforlife@reddit
Interested as well! Hope you can share your story
tmac022480@reddit
Link
No_Good_8561@reddit
One of us. One of us.
spiderlandcapt@reddit
He never sleeps, he says that he will never die.
hayesms@reddit
I’d be curious to see your source list OP
netanator@reddit
Please share
MisterRenewable@reddit
Love to read your 6000 words OP. Anytime you're ready to let fly!
Sanpaku@reddit
Most of us here have been there. Whether reading Tainter or Catton or Hansen.
Those of us who came to these conclusions young are really glad to have not cast any children into the cauldron.
If OPs book has anecdotes I haven't encountered, I'll be glad to pick up a copy. I've got \~1176 BCE Bronze age collapse and post 476 AD Roman empire collapse covered, but know rather little about the experience of other collapses that haven't been covered in the Fall of Civilizations podcast.
BraquistoCronos@reddit
Link plz
mango_eggrolls@reddit
Any similarities to that 3 stage maneuver scene spoiler from the movie leave the world behind?
chaosorbs@reddit
You're in good company here, friend. Do share.
No-Bluebird-5404@reddit (OP)
https://cycleofcollapse.gumroad.com/l/nqfybo
iseethoughtcops@reddit
Kicked into high gear with the Bushbarian Reign of Terror. They started the avalanche that overwhelms everything. Over extended military obligations and extreme debt that becomes unserviceable. Erosion of “morality”, especially in the political class. Lack of self discipline. Fiat currency.
PirateMonkey00@reddit
Let's see it brother
JACSliver@reddit
Go ahead.
Hot-Gap1198@reddit
I am interested in hearing what you have to say
tawhuac@reddit
Is looking for and pointing at scapegoats already in the "we are here" or is it in the next steps.