Ah yes, nodule mining, the CIA cover story for when they went to scoop up the Soviet sub K-129 which lead to the birth of “I can neither confirm nor deny that statement”.
This is equivalent to finding a planet that has resources on it, but there is alien life on it. We just decide to nuke the place without a second thought. And it's so much worse because we are choosing to destroy a fragile ecosystem in our own planet, the only habitable planet we know of. This is literally just to make him "look good" to his followers, this will have no meaningful impact on the amount of these elements, let alone the ability to refine them.
They are doing this with trawling, also. Destroys 97.4% of the ocean floor it cones into contact with. In Alaska alone, they throw away 24 million pounds of fish as bycatch annually. That doesn't include the orcas and other marine mammals they catch and kill every year. They don't stop it because it makes money.
Now the Zero regulatory funding gets rid of environmental oversight agencies all the way back to 1872. Even nuclear waste is cool again.
Basically one of the main plots of Andor season 2. There is a planet with a rich history of creating silks using a native spider. They want to surreptitiously begin a mining program while demonizing the population and installing a controlled opposition resistance group to further back up their goals. They know that the mining operation will likely destroy life on the entire planet and want to keep the entire population there until it happens to avoid a refugee crisis.
Honestly, this is the one good thing about all the cuts to NASA and stuff. When I heard they found a water planet they suspect has biomarkers all I could imagine was that we’ll have a mad rush to try to get there first and catch all the fish or something. We’ll definitely go destroy the fuck out of it. Probably name the ships the mayflower or something. It’ll be horrible.
I used to want to find life on other planets. Now I think if I had the data and a way to delete it forever, I would delete that shit so fast. I’d falsify it and sabotage it. I’d do everything I could to not let anyone know it’s out there. We don’t deserve that information. We can’t handle it. We aren’t responsible enough.
The truth is out there? Maybe, but we can’t handle the truth.
Which just came out this past week. Just because you and I watched it doesn’t mean that everyone else has. You could’ve gotten the same point across simply by saying what you did in your first sentence and leaving it at that. That allows you to still speak your mind and make the same point without giving the detailed breakdown of the Empire’s plans for Ghorman.
If you don't acknowledge global warming it's because of this group.
On an early autumn day in 1992, E Bruce Harrison, a man widely acknowledged as the father of environmental PR, stood up in a room full of business leaders and delivered a pitch like no other.
At stake was a contract worth half a million dollars a year - about £850,000 in today's money. The prospective client, the Global Climate Coalition (GCC) - which represented the oil, coal, auto, utilities, steel, and rail industries - was looking for a communications partner to change the narrative on climate change.
Don Rheem and Terry Yosie, two of Harrison's team present that day, are sharing their stories for the first time.
"Everybody wanted to get the Global Climate Coalition account," says Rheem, "and there I was, smack in the middle of it."
The GCC had been conceived only three years earlier, as a forum for members to exchange information and lobby policy makers against action to limit fossil fuel emissions.
Though scientists were making rapid progress in understanding climate change, and it was growing in salience as a political issue, in its first years the Coalition saw little cause for alarm. President George HW Bush was a former oilman, and as a senior lobbyist told the BBC in 1990, his message on climate was the GCC's message.
There would be no mandatory fossil fuel reductions.
But all that changed in 1992. In June, the international community created a framework for climate action, and November's presidential election brought committed environmentalist Al Gore into the White House as vice-president. It was clear the new administration would try to regulate fossil fuels.
The Coalition recognised that it needed strategic communications help and put out a bid for a public relations contractor. https://www.bbc.com/news
We recently discovered that these rocks, due to the metals contained within, actually supply a fair amount of "dark oxygen" into the oceans via a naturally occurring electrolysis.
This fairly recent discovery suggests that in addition to implications for deep sea life, there may be more opportunities for life outside of our planet than we previously recognized.
I thought that was a fascinating bit of tangential information related to the topic at hand,
Its honestly not like that at all. These elements are absolutely necessary for pretty much all green initiatives from nuclear to electrification. The absolute abundance of these nodules is unfathomable. They are also easier for smelters to refine and produce less waste product than current sources. The process of retrieving is far more energy efficient. This is a switch that is necessary for us to move away from carbon based fuels.
They did it this about 50 years ago I think off the coast of California. It's not even close to recovering. Life is just now starting to return. The track marks on the ocean floor look fresh. If we fuck up the food chain because we don't know what we're doing, then that would be a net negative because it will take a very very long time to recover
Theory I heard was that those metal spheres are the reason why there is oxygen in the deep sea water. If this is true removing them will annihilate the deep sea life...
I still feel like there is some underlying plan here that I'm just not getting. Like someone is aware of a limited period of time we have to take over resources across the planet before something critical in this timeline happens that the public is not aware of. Everything they are doing smacks of some level of desperation. But since we made one of our big sources of rare earth minerals into our enemy for "selling us lots of stuff" we must now desperately look for more sources. But why did they feel like they needed to make all these people our enemies??
This is how I also feel. Not only about climate and rare stuff but the whole thing that is happening in general. Something is off— like they know something we don’t. Governments are literally taking alliances since WWII and breaking them for nothing. Ideologies don’t matter. Just really odd
China is still roughly aligned with Russia though not over Ukraine , which is nothing new given 2014. China still eyes the border hungrily and would absolutely go for it if it felt Russia couldn’t or wouldn’t defend it. China also continues its vague support of North Korea.
Russia continues to support and prop up various regimes including Iran , more so given that Russia is now partly reliant on Iranian and North Korean arms.
In Europe , President Trump’s actions and the ongoing war in Ukraine has actually cemented bonds between many nations , including the U.K. which left the EU.
Israel can still ultimately count on US, and to lesser degree , U.K. and French support and weapons.
Taiwan , is seeing a weaker relationship with the US , but greater support from Japan , Australia , New Zealand and others. These nations cannot repel a Chinese assault but they can add to the equation which may deter.
Generally I’d say one specific set of alliances is weakening but others are strengthening.
Your political takes are a bit one-dimensional and lacking in nuance. For starters:
Russia is barely allied with China-they took a huge portion of China in 1860 (outer Manchuria-now called Priamurye) and if you understand the Chinese you know that they have a VERY long memory and have not forgotten (or forgiven)
They will take that land back when Russia is at its weakest.
Trumps diplomacy in Europe has actually gotten Germany and other NATO allies to increase military spending for the first time in over two decades. (You know, instead of the American tax-payer funding their security through the protection of the U.S military.)
Taiwan is still our ally and protectorate because they have the world’s cutting-edge nano-chip technology. This tech means global dominance by way of computing power. We cannot and will not allow China to take Taiwan if for no other reason than not getting that chip tech.
I literally said China still has its eye on the border 😂 “barely allied” is a strong take , where interests align they absolutely are.
Sure NATO members comitted to spending more , but that’s looking like it’s going to be spent with European arms manufacturers , for obvious reasons. The US industrial military complex has benefitted from the previous situation massively.
The current administration absolutely will not go all out to defend Taiwan, you really think it will go to war over overseas manufacturing with the current agenda ? It cannot sell that idea as it’s too complex. Ofc the US cannot manufacture the chips easily at home , but since when has logic influenced policy since January ?
I don't doubt you but I find it hard to keep up with the level of things happening. Who all is breaking alliances besides the US? I do attempt to follow things but it's non stop and I have cut back to try and save my sanity a little.
It may be difficult for you to understand, but yes, dredging the sea floor will destroy ecosystems that took hundreds of millions of years to establish. I’m no high schooler, either. My masters was in marine biology.
We’re in an (AI) Arms race with China- that’s what you’re missing.
To function this new AI technology (future AI-not what we have now) we will need a lot of energy-double the amount the U.S.A currently produces.
This is also why Coal, Nuclear, and Fracking plants are being rapidly approved and built across the U.S.
Whoever reaches the singularity first will have a massive advantage on global dominance-and the U.S wants to get there before CB ima does.
(As far as rare earth minerals-a lot of nations have them and we don’t necessarily need China-who has been our #1 enemy since the end of the Cold War.
They started this enmity by stealing our intellectual property for the past 30+years, manipulating their markets, and also bulling our allies in the region like the Philippines, Japan, and Korea, (and Vietnam, who were becoming closer with recently-they hate China more than anyone.)
I think it's just about maximizing profits in a way to somehow satisfy corporate greed. This all just looks like a modern version of the 1800s European race to colonize Africa. There is not despiration or need just classic greed.
I don't get how it helps American corporations though. If they have to shut down their factories in China and build new factories here and pay Americans more to work in them how does it improve their profits? I just read an article yesterday quoting the manufacturer of some baby food utensils, toys, bottles and pacifiers etc and he said shelves were going to be empty of his stuff in a couple of months because he can't even get old equipment out of China to ship it here.
I'm sure it helps someone, somewhere financially if they capitalize on. But it seems like it screws a lot of big corporations over as well.
Fir the tariff side, yes I think you're right. I think Trump thought china would cave to his demands and he's sweating not knowing to get them to bend.
I often wonder what Space X is doing to the atmosphere with it frequently putting satellites into orbit and also the reentry of those satellites which leave behind trace materials. That combined with a recent Space X flight that orbited the poles, makes me wonder if ozone depletion / climate change is being exacerbated at an ever increasing rate & we'll be the last to know.
They're making record profits based on constant consumption. They continually need more resources to keep feeding said consumption. Finding new methods to obtain these resources allows them to continue to make even higher record profits. Money, money, money.
Right? Something feels off because something much bigger is happening that we’re not necessarily aware of. I’m actually really concerned. The open denial of reason and embracing chaos…it reeks of the desperation you’re referring to.
I thought, environmentally, we decoded not to harvest these because doing so would destroy the ocean floor habitat and ecologically cause devastating impacts and essentially cause more harm than could be handled. I remeber there was a reason we didn't do this earlier. Anyone else? Maga is an authoritarian regime willing to destroy the planet at rapid speed.
I saw news about this years ago. Some young tech CEO eager to just vacuum up the sea floor and pan for rare metals, with no concern for how terrible it's probably gonna be for ecosystems. Trying to framinit as a gentle harvesting process. I'll try to see if I can find the source. For some reasons I'm feeling like it's an Adam Ruins Everything thing ...
Essentially the way they harvest these nodules is to vacuum up the entire top layer of the seabed, then soft through the debris to separate the valuable nodules. Kicking up a bunch of particles into the ocean in the process. They advertise it as s being a super gentle process that doesn't disturb the ecosystem, but it'd essentially be like shovelling off the entire topside of your yard and saying it's probably fine. Plenty of things could rely on that layer of the biome to survive, even if they don't directly live there. And there's no telling what effects it could have on nearby ecosystems, including the entire rest of the planet. The health of the oceans affects the health of the land, too. For example, coral reefs protect coastlines from storms and erosion. And bottom feeding deep sea species contribute to the normal process of decay and growth by breaking down dead matter and recycling it. And killing off the species that feed others can affect food supplies by crippling the fishing industry.
NOAA has become an empty shell agency, used to promote various industries. Here we see the promotion of deep sea mining. And yes it is true that deep sea metallic nodules can be harvested. We need to be careful not to scrape and destroy ecosystems by doing so.
NOAA isn’t the only one. The Department of Energy has largely become the same thing. Look into how many DOE laboratories are involved in promoting fossil fuels over renewables via good PR-sounding things like “carbon capture and storage” or “hydrogen hubs”.
Because fossil fuels are already monopolized. If our goal is to increase shareholder profits and make more billionaires, which it obviously should be, we need to create more economic opportunities for the top 0.1%.
As history has proven time and time again, the economy will be stimulated by this broadened economic base, leading to increased prosperity for all.
This can only be done by expanding the energy industry with newer profit-generating technologies.
Right now it seems the economics won't work out: battery metals prices are currently quite low, especially for nickel and lithium. Hopefully it remains just too expensive to pick up these rocks from the ocean floor compared to the glut of supply from Indonesia and deceased demand from China
It’s funny when China uses its states power to “steal” resources out of the South China Sea,
We say nothing about it.
The minute the U.S. tries to make itself competitive with accessing resources and selling them on the global stage, people are all up in arms about the environment.
So you have any idea what China has been doing to its environment? Just to remain competitive with the West?
We’re at a stage where we are retooling and rebuilding our manufacturing base- and these rare earth metals are incumbent on our future successes
We need all the resources and energy we can get.
Access to these resources means national security.
Also the more infrastructure we build the cheaper the logistics become and therefore the production and manufacturing costs. It will start off expensive at first but lower as we start re-industrializing.
It mostly their utility as a rare earth element source. Stuff like their iron, Manganese, and nickel content is more of a byproduct.
People have been trying to make this cost effective for decades, and the lack of American refining capacity for REEs make this a moot point for years at a minimum. The big issue is Chinese dominance of the REE, and radioactive refining byproducts when refining terrestrial deposits (if I remember correctly).
(Got to mess around with a few nodules in grad school 15 to 20 years ago)
I'm surprised, I recall most articles about this saying the nodules are mainly sources for battery metals like cobalt, manganese, iron etc and less so REEs. Perhaps different deep sea things have different minerals?
Maybe I got it wrong, it’s been a while. To me the REEs were always the highlight as part of a critical mineral strategy, but we could do domestic terrestrial mining there too if we really wanted to.
By "just pick up" you mean large machinery or nets scraping the ocean floor, right? This will be devastating to an already endangered and struggling habitat
Honestly I think there is a more nefarious reason for this. They want control of the minerals because everyone else will not be trading with the USA. We all have plenty of supplies out here in the rest of the world, its the yanks who need to secure their own minerals due to this trading insanity.
This is a good point, if no one wants to trade with us then they'll say that we have to secure our supply somehow. One worrying aspect of this beyond the environmental is that (most of) the rocks in question aren't under us jurisdiction. They fall under the UN, which hasn't approved deep sea mining in international waters, so the us would be rejecting the authority of the un if they go ahead with this.
Also because these things produce oxygen where little oxygen exists and they’re ancient. We know so little about them once they’re gone if we need them back it will be too late.
There is a multinational undersea drilling agreement that America has been refusing to sign. This was even under Biden.
The notion why wasn't for environmental reasons like the media portrayed....it was because they (America) wanted to operate outside of the agreement parameters.
Europe signed it. China is spearheading it. the agreement delves into where and how minerals are retrieved across the oceans of the world.
Jon Oliver did a deep dive (no pun intended) on this topic years ago that's informative and nuanced and worth a watch. Short answer, this is a bad idea, but so is every other idea this regime institutes.
Very very bad idea... And if it is that weird guy in the lead... Even worse idea. There go our oceans, lets just speed up the destruction of the world by a few hundred years.
Love how it doesnt mention that those nodes are home to senstive marine life as will as giving off a unusual amount of O2 that has yet to be fully understood. But hey, lets mess up the oceans more, they can take another hit for the home team.
Some environmental damage is easier to recover from than others. One is a superfund site, another is potentially impossible to recover from globally on a human species timeline.
I am somewhat OK with environmental damage that will be practically remediated in a reasonable time frame and doesn't have significant consequences for innocent bystanders.
The statement I was initially responding to was about getting minerals from countries with fewer environmental standards than the US causing more harm to the planet.
This comment needs to be higher. Scientists are still not sure how oxygen gets into the deep ocean but they think these nodules are key to supplying deep sea life with the oxygen they need.
Best case scenario, we get minerals.
Worst case, we kill all deep sea life.
Actually the worst case would be we kill off deep sea life kicking off a chain reaction that kills all ocean life, killing off all oxygen consuming life on earth.
The sad and terrifying reality is all of the world's oceans are interconnected, essentially making them one gigantic ecosystem.
Disturbing the ocean floor will almost certainly disrupt the balance of the very delicate life that exists there, and it's truly anyone's guess as to the fallout. Those are likely anaerobic zones with pH ranges of God knows what, and there's a very narrow range which will sustain sea life.
This saddens me to no end. I kept a 3500 liter salt water tank that emulated a tidal pool....grew Acropora, Tridacnid clams and a ton of fish, mangroves, etc.
What an amazing place our species have destroyed. It's terrible.
Or how this type of mining is completely uneconomical with current ocean mining tech (or lack thereof).
Many land-based deposits are economically unfeasible as it is, and never see the light of day. Yes you can likely find copper-bearing nodules with much higher density than even those of Chile and Spain, but the costs associated with the retrieval make it a non-starter.
They generate a small electric current which breaks apart water molecules into their base components. It’s happens really slowly, in very small amounts, but it’s enough to slightly oxygenate the environment down at the deep ocean bottom. It’s a fascinating process. I don’t recall all the details but I think the saltwater, pressure, and freezing temperatures had something to do with it.
Really? Where can I read more about that marine life? I always thought it was phytoplankton closer to the surface pumping out massive amounts of oxygen.
when considering if we should even consider mining these nodes, this is the answer given. Take it as it is. "What are the alternatives if we don't go to the ocean for these metals? The only alternative is more land mining and more pushing into sensitive ecosystems, including rainforests," said Gerard Barron, CEO of Vancouver-based The Metals Co, the most-vocal deep-sea mining company and one of 31 companies to which the ISA has granted permits to explore for - but not yet commercially produce - deep-sea minerals.
They're changing the definition of "harm" and what it means to "take" in relation to impacts to marine life. I'd bet that is related to these kind of activities.
The nodes are unique individualized ecosystems with tons of undiscovered tiny species. The reason I’m saying this is cuz quite a few, some even well known drugs have been developed from the discoveries made from these. There’s a massive value to studying them, for those looking for a logical reason to preserve them rather than ethical.
It's also really bad for the environment. There's a lot we don't know about the ocean, but we are very aware of the damage this will cause to the seafloor if this sort of mining really takes off. RIP planet earth
For those too lazy to do it on their own: https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/pulled-deep-scientists-found-lost-deep-sea-mining-site-sc-coast-what-secrets-does-it-hold
Disgusting. This is the stuff that John Oliver did a piece on last year (see below) about the elite trying to scrape the bottom of the ocean floor jacking up the ecosystem for minerals that they’ve been trying to get their grubby hands on for years. From seafloor mining to pillaging of national forests to the death of public health m…All of this shit is compromised now.
Do you NOT think that is exactly what Elmo has been doing? Global satellite internet network. Fleet of massive reusable rockets. Humanoid robots. Ai. Underground tunneling. ... The dude 100% is just today's Howard hughs.
Important to note that these nodules play an important role in dark oxygen production, and that sea life in harvested areas does not bounce back, even years down the line.
It’s not just another non-renewable resource, it’s a vital component of deep sea life.
THANK YOU. Not enough awareness of this bit of history. I recall many years ago my father being quite salty about the deception when it came to light, as when he was a child he says there was a mass media frenzy about what a great program mining the oceans was going to turn into.
On a side note, it seems quite plausible that many of the major tech billionaires (musk, Zuckerberg, gates) fill a similar role in today's society of running/ being the public face of covert programs that would otherwise never see the light of day through official public government channels.
NOAA would not post this on their own accord. Trump infiltrated and now has NOAA supporting actions that benefit Peter Thiel and critically damage an ecosystem. The billionaires successfully took over the entire country, a revolution is needed.
It’s NEVER a good idea to be reliant on others for essential needs, whether you’re an individual or a nation. The extent to which we are reliant is the extent to which we compromise our freedom.
Countries that are eager to participate in a global economy until a shitstain worshipped by mouthbreather cucks ruins the global order that benefited everyone?
Yeah, just waiting to be scooped up out of the unconnected vacuum that is the ocean floor. Totally won’t have any affect on the ecosystem whatsoever. Fucking morons.
Pretty soon they'll be selling the industrial waste from processing as some literal snake oil cure a la blue green algae or colloidal silver, or mummy dust; and people wont even be able to sue for damages when they start dying because there's no more regulatory or judicial branches.
"Rare sea elixer" or something. Just bringing back alchemy and mythical philosophers stones.
Idk about boomers but back in the 80s/90s we were taught in schools it would be. So far in Europe there have been some commercial projects (in Sweden I think) and they did manage to turn a small profit iirc on selling the metal and burning the leftover plastic (since paper and natural fibers decomposed) for energy. It requires having excess capacity in waste-to-energy incinerators and blows damaging chemicals into the environment (despite fancy filters). So all in all, not encouraging. The contamination makes the plastic not re-usable unlike what we got told in the 80s/90s.
The road dust at the side of probably most highways in North America is approaching concentrations of some minerals that are valuable enough that mining operations to collect and refine the dust are probably already within a profitable range or will be soon. Think platinum (catalytic converters)
This video of garbage scavenging in Indonesia is probably one of the most dystopian things I have ever seen. Especially when you find out why they are doing it.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8fO-MoCJyLU
I think something similar could happen in any country as their economies collapse.
I suppose I could see landfill mining being a legit enterprise. But it wouldn't be like Star wars depicts it. Only way it's feasible is very expensive and with strict safety and protective equipment. Some of these landfills are probably more hazardous than even coal mines. And there's a non zero amount of corpses that would make turnover rates almost as high as retail or content moderation jobs.
Definitely not happening under the current admin
Their Safety and regulation dismissals aside, they simply don't see value in recycling. They only know what they've been told is valuable and they expect it shiny and new
If anything it's more likely to be archaeological expeditions decades or centuries in the future studying us digging through those layers of waste.
Also I feel your pain. My mom got way into the "super blue green algae" craze in the 90s. That flavor is irrevocably seared into my neurons. And the texture of the snacks. Like Soylent green formed into artificial extruded shit nuggets. Anyway. At least I gained new perspectives on suffering and cost benefit analysis from the experience. Clearly the sort of thing your dad is eager for. Good luck with him. It can be exhausting, but remember you've already overcome a lot just to make it to today.
True. It's the literal source of the word chemistry, too. But there's no denying that was a little bit of a medieval wood element to the fantasies immorality elixers and such. Not that We as humans have really changed much since then.
Yeah. John Oliver talked about this quite awhile ago. There’s been companies drooling to harvest these for awhile, but it is absolutely devastating to an eco system we know almost nothing about.
Of course when china supplies 90% of these and we started a trade war with them, you gotta find alternatives :(
To be fair if we know absolutely nothing about it, we don't know it would be devastating. It would better be described as risking some environmental damage.
While I was writing that, I realized how it seemed logically inconsistent, but I left it because I still think it’s accurate. I might not know anything about what’s in your house, but I’m pretty sure blowing it up would be absolutely devastating to anything inside.
But sure, we know a thing or two. I would still say in the grand scheme of things it’s almost nothing. And what we do know points to this mining being absolutely devastating and showing little or no recovery after decades.
And of course these are mostly international waters with an international agency working to establish rules. So, a post like this has very worrisome political implications in addition to the original environmental implications I originally mentioned.
Awesome episode from one of my favorite podcasts on this topic. Not taking about the mining itself, but a using it as a cover for a top secret operation.
IF.. and this is world's biggest ever IF.... we have legit elections again and Dems manage to get the WH in 2028, I don't want to hear one single redhat complain about how much it costs to unfuck all this.
I watched a video about these last year and yes like everything capitalism does it will be ruinous to the environment on the ocean floor. I don’t remember if scientists even know what these do down there.
Can someone explain how this is related directly to my preps?
As far as I'm aware it's not a new discovery, it's just the Trump admin saying it's open now, but it's not like anyone is going to start harvesting anytime soon.
Can you post the source of the scientific paper you're quoting that says it will "hyper accelerate" the ocean dying off?
I'm confused how decimating this part of the US EEZ would hyper accelerate ocean die off. But you seem more informed about this than me so please let me know what you're sourcing so I can be up to date too.
That article seems to do more with surface micro layer and phytoplankton and nothing to do with metallic nodules 3,000 to 6,000 meters below the surface.
We will need to address our increasing demands for these metals at some point. Our need for them is supposed to increase 500% by 2050. Recycling obviously can't produce more than what's already been mined.
You’re correct, it’s not directly connected to the nodules, but the pollution from whatever kind of fuckery they plan on will add to the acidification of the oceans, and continue to contribute to the destruction of our life support systems. That’s all I’m trying to point out.
Your preps will be affected either way, as the acidification is already putting us all in danger. I’m hoping what you provided is accurate and it doesn’t take off.
Saw a video on this randomly. Seems that they also produce oxygen from a reaction (it's battery like make-up). Mining them en mass could cause a huge issue with deep sea oxygen supply. I'm so sick of fucking winning
I used to work for the ISA (International Seabed Authority), and this is technically not internationally legal. They are not a member state of the ISA (a UN satallite body that was created under UNCLOS ((UN Convention on the Law of the Sea)) and therefore are not mining party rights, once the rights are drafted and agreed upon, of course (they have not been but are close with the possibility of draft regulations possibly getting ratified this year at the 30th Session).
There is nothing to worry about; this will not trigger any international incident. Even recently, the US has had issues with other countries and has been in the UN GA to discuss. They are also always open to ratifying the treaty and becoming a Member State.
From this post and recent exec orders, it seems like the us is proposing to unilaterally begin mining in international waters like the Clipperton zone? Or am I misinterpreting things and they intend for negotiations to proceed first? This admin is not giving the impression of recognizing much un authority whenever it can. Interested in your perspective on this
That does seem to be the new talking point, isn't it? We should probably just do it ourselves if it's a security risk, right? Instead of doing it for corps and being charged again for it.
So you want a state-owned mining company? That’s a novel idea. Seems like it’d open the door to a lot of corruption.
Seriously, agencies like the USGS have long conducted research and geological studies which private companies have acted on. This doesn’t seem any different
I always said it as more of a joke, but the last few months I've been astonished by how stupid everything is. And what greedy and cruel pigs people can be when they feel like there's no consequences.
lol yeah someone sent me the reddit cares alert. MAGA can fuck all the way off. Just they wait until it's their turn. I'm not supporting politicians who want civility anymore.
Author Susan Casey has written some very good books on the ocean, including the mineral deposits on the sea floor. She takes a conservationist perspective, concerned that strip-mining the ocean floor before we know much at all about the ecosystem down there might destroy unique habitats and harm the health of the oceans as a whole, and that this destruction would be essentially invisible to us. Here's one summary article https://nhmu.utah.edu/articles/2025/03/uncovering-oceans-secrets-susan-casey
I read about these not too long ago. They may create a chemical reaction of some kind that produces oxygen.
https://www.bu.edu/articles/2024/deep-sea-oxygen-raises-questions-about-extraterrestrial-life/#:~:text=These%20deep%2Dsea%20rocks%2C%20called,produce%20oxygen%20on%20the%20seafloor.
Although I love in the Caribbean, I no longer trust NOAA. The NHC used to be helpful. Now, the whole thing is co.promosed and no more trustworthy than Baron von Schitzenpants himself.
So nobody paid any attention when the previous administration pretty much eliminated our ability to mine these minerals and elements on our own soil? This is the inevitable consequence of myopic policy.
I didn't think there was any shortage of minerals. The reason the supply chain exists as it does is because those are the cheapest places to get the minerals due to dirt cheap cost of labor, kids in mines.
You know what's wild? I was just reading about this exact form of "mining" in a fiction book - Venomous Lumpsucker for anyone interested. This mining was directly implicated in the destruction of several endangered species in the book, and it's all managed by the large corporations who are part of the "extinction industry". I couldn't gelo but draw some parallels to the current situation with corps paying for "carbon credits" and other similar horseshit that is being billed as good for the environment while actually just being a monetized smokescreen for continued destruction.
The ISA has never issued extraction permits for deep sea mining in international waters, and the us has abided by this precedent despite not being a member of unclos. The NOAA post is among the first big hints that this admin intends to flagrantly disregard any semblance of authority the ISA might have
That would be something, though the recent push in battery production has been Sodium-ion batteries with more research into graphene ceramics. Both pushing away from rare earths.
Tech is often 30-50 years behind discovery though. And this SUUUCKS, because I know what they currently have in labs / what patents have been scooped up.
Yes, but that's not the main point of interest on this post in my opinion...the main point of interest on this post is NOAA shilling for it now for political points.
I was in an interesting discussion recently, a few of us believe and prep for "sovereign debt crisis." We were discussing if it were to happen, would it be better to slowly, or all at once?
Apologies...might be too deep for me to understand
as far as I can tell, recently we've been speedrunning getting a debt crisis started (liberation day)...but then slamming on the brakes at the last second (bond yield scare)
so I can't really tell what the real objective is right now with the people in charge
Major issues... ON ALL SIDES, with legit EVERYONE in denial over certain truths.
I realized I went on a rant and stopped myself. But, I think it will be eye opening whats coming, and will make and break people worse than it already is.
It is all part of the plan to rape the Earth, destroy biological life and usher in a new epoch of machine-life as the prophets of doom are now in control of our government.
Leave those nodules be! There are eco-systems that survive on them. And the trawler scooper vehicles will leave death to unknown species in a haze of silt. There are other renewable battery sources. Use THEM.
This is chilling. So they gutted NOAAs capacity to do important things like weather forecasting and storm tracking, so they could instead use it to promote open sea floor mining???? Disgusting
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/08/29/metallic-spheres-interstellar-origin-avi-loeb-finds/70699783007/
Now the professor and theoretical astrophysicist at Harvard University says he and a team of scientists are one step closer to making that determination after they retrieved suspected remnants of the meteor in June off the coast of Papua New Guinea. On Tuesday, Loeb said in a media release that early analysis suggests those small metallic objects actually are interstellar in origin.
And then it was "debunked" that they were interstellar
https://www.space.com/alien-spherules-new-analysis-shows-likely-origin-is-earth
Last summer, Harvard astrophysicist and extraterrestrial hunter Avi Loeb declared that several tiny, metallic balls dredged up from the bottom of the ocean were likely remnants from an interstellar meteorite, and could even contain signatures of alien technology. Now, independent analysis suggests the spheres have a much less distant origin: They are more likely a by-product of burning coal on Earth.
Maybe they were of interstellar origin after all, and a private govt contractor has decided to harvest them.
It’s not strange. NOAA was holding back a complete tape of the sea floor that would extinct many of the last unknowns of the world. Mining for these materials kills everything in that area.
Mineral nodules on the sea floor is nothing new. It's a small part of why continental shelf claims are significant, since they allow access to resources "on and under" the sea floor.
And yeah, there's a number of reasons why people haven't really been mining/harvesting these - partly the difficulty of getting to them since they're on deep ocean floors, and partly the high risk of damage to fragile ecosystems on the sea floor. Dredging would be a classic example - you can scrape the sea floor for these but you would WRECK the environment.
I don't think this is really "prepper" stuff. It's more on the level of deforestation and habitat removal than anything signalling an existential threat at this stage. Even with companies being granted permission to harvest these, it'll take time for that to reach a scale comparable to already existing environmental destruction (e.g. deforestation, open-pit mines)
This country is an unlocked 10 story office building and the Trump admin is a pack of meth heads armed with sawzalls.... the last employee just clocked out for the weekend
Not strange at all. Trump has been obsessed with minerals (totally lost that fight with Ukraine, loser 😆) AND Heritage Foundation had an explicit list to remove literally all safeguards for marine life.
So sad literally just discovered this amazing ecosystem and geography and where just going to shovel it up and burn it for more iphones and vapes. Sometimes I wish I was dum and was content with some video game being my whole world
Nice-Kaleidoscope982@reddit
Mining has always had a bad reputation for being a polluting industry. I wonder how polluting mining is at the bottom of the sea?
wanderingpanda402@reddit
Ah yes, nodule mining, the CIA cover story for when they went to scoop up the Soviet sub K-129 which lead to the birth of “I can neither confirm nor deny that statement”.
MassholeLiberal56@reddit
The damage they will do to these fragile ecosystems is yet another convenient externality to sweep under the rug for future generations to pay for.
trailsman@reddit
💯
This is equivalent to finding a planet that has resources on it, but there is alien life on it. We just decide to nuke the place without a second thought. And it's so much worse because we are choosing to destroy a fragile ecosystem in our own planet, the only habitable planet we know of. This is literally just to make him "look good" to his followers, this will have no meaningful impact on the amount of these elements, let alone the ability to refine them.
Chance_Baker8585@reddit
They are doing this with trawling, also. Destroys 97.4% of the ocean floor it cones into contact with. In Alaska alone, they throw away 24 million pounds of fish as bycatch annually. That doesn't include the orcas and other marine mammals they catch and kill every year. They don't stop it because it makes money.
Now the Zero regulatory funding gets rid of environmental oversight agencies all the way back to 1872. Even nuclear waste is cool again.
MoldTheClay@reddit
Basically one of the main plots of Andor season 2. There is a planet with a rich history of creating silks using a native spider. They want to surreptitiously begin a mining program while demonizing the population and installing a controlled opposition resistance group to further back up their goals. They know that the mining operation will likely destroy life on the entire planet and want to keep the entire population there until it happens to avoid a refugee crisis.
69-xxx-420@reddit
Honestly, this is the one good thing about all the cuts to NASA and stuff. When I heard they found a water planet they suspect has biomarkers all I could imagine was that we’ll have a mad rush to try to get there first and catch all the fish or something. We’ll definitely go destroy the fuck out of it. Probably name the ships the mayflower or something. It’ll be horrible.
I used to want to find life on other planets. Now I think if I had the data and a way to delete it forever, I would delete that shit so fast. I’d falsify it and sabotage it. I’d do everything I could to not let anyone know it’s out there. We don’t deserve that information. We can’t handle it. We aren’t responsible enough.
The truth is out there? Maybe, but we can’t handle the truth.
kryptons_finest@reddit
Spoilers
MoldTheClay@reddit
It’s literally like 10 minutes into episode 1.
kryptons_finest@reddit
Which just came out this past week. Just because you and I watched it doesn’t mean that everyone else has. You could’ve gotten the same point across simply by saying what you did in your first sentence and leaving it at that. That allows you to still speak your mind and make the same point without giving the detailed breakdown of the Empire’s plans for Ghorman.
MoldTheClay@reddit
That’s fair
Welllllllrip187@reddit
Killing the planet won’t affect them, they’ll die before it gets horrific.
brokenhomelab3@reddit
I mean, at least we didn't fly our helicopters low and get our assess kicked by blue people with sticks.
BJntheRV@reddit
A fragile ecosystem that supports our own. But, eh we already killed the bees, what's another species.
the_real_maddison@reddit
Oh no, the bees are officially dead?
BJntheRV@reddit
We're OK we've only lost like 60% this last year 🤷♂️
https://www.npr.org/2025/04/07/nx-s1-5345855/what-we-know-about-the-big-bee-die-off-this-year
RoBloxFederalAgent@reddit
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Silver-Abroad-6807@reddit
Not at all. I commented just above. I've been researching these for over a year. I get how it looks, but it isnt like that.
erbush1988@reddit
So Avatar
Resident_Chip935@reddit
beat me to it
LaurenDreamsInColor@reddit
“Look at all that cheddar”
braidedbutthair@reddit
Exactly
Last_Cod_998@reddit
If you don't acknowledge global warming it's because of this group.
On an early autumn day in 1992, E Bruce Harrison, a man widely acknowledged as the father of environmental PR, stood up in a room full of business leaders and delivered a pitch like no other.
At stake was a contract worth half a million dollars a year - about £850,000 in today's money. The prospective client, the Global Climate Coalition (GCC) - which represented the oil, coal, auto, utilities, steel, and rail industries - was looking for a communications partner to change the narrative on climate change.
Don Rheem and Terry Yosie, two of Harrison's team present that day, are sharing their stories for the first time.
"Everybody wanted to get the Global Climate Coalition account," says Rheem, "and there I was, smack in the middle of it."
The GCC had been conceived only three years earlier, as a forum for members to exchange information and lobby policy makers against action to limit fossil fuel emissions.
Though scientists were making rapid progress in understanding climate change, and it was growing in salience as a political issue, in its first years the Coalition saw little cause for alarm. President George HW Bush was a former oilman, and as a senior lobbyist told the BBC in 1990, his message on climate was the GCC's message.
There would be no mandatory fossil fuel reductions.
But all that changed in 1992. In June, the international community created a framework for climate action, and November's presidential election brought committed environmentalist Al Gore into the White House as vice-president. It was clear the new administration would try to regulate fossil fuels.
The Coalition recognised that it needed strategic communications help and put out a bid for a public relations contractor.
https://www.bbc.com/news
Nvmun@reddit
How do you know what damage it will do? How do you even know how would the procedure go?
IGnuGnat@reddit
We recently discovered that these rocks, due to the metals contained within, actually supply a fair amount of "dark oxygen" into the oceans via a naturally occurring electrolysis.
This fairly recent discovery suggests that in addition to implications for deep sea life, there may be more opportunities for life outside of our planet than we previously recognized.
I thought that was a fascinating bit of tangential information related to the topic at hand,
Dirty_Delta@reddit
Heh, future generations...
Silver-Abroad-6807@reddit
Its honestly not like that at all. These elements are absolutely necessary for pretty much all green initiatives from nuclear to electrification. The absolute abundance of these nodules is unfathomable. They are also easier for smelters to refine and produce less waste product than current sources. The process of retrieving is far more energy efficient. This is a switch that is necessary for us to move away from carbon based fuels.
Big_Knobber@reddit
They did it this about 50 years ago I think off the coast of California. It's not even close to recovering. Life is just now starting to return. The track marks on the ocean floor look fresh. If we fuck up the food chain because we don't know what we're doing, then that would be a net negative because it will take a very very long time to recover
WattebauschXC@reddit
Theory I heard was that those metal spheres are the reason why there is oxygen in the deep sea water. If this is true removing them will annihilate the deep sea life...
Big_Knobber@reddit
Different metals in a brine is a battery. It breaks apart the water to release the oxygen
Cumdump90001@reddit
But think of the profits
-rwsr-xr-x@reddit
But how will there be profit? /s
Good_Log_5108@reddit
Life finds a way
meteor_gray@reddit
I recommend reading The Underworld by Susan Casey. Fascinating book.
TheFlyingNone@reddit
Really? This again?
https://deepseamining.ac/article/10#gsc.tab=0
KazTheMerc@reddit
Uhhhhh.
We've tried this before. We left a dead patch of ocean behind.
Noting that nothing in there even vaguely implies it'll be done responsibly.
AdZealousideal6949@reddit
Something tells me a foreign nations submarine done sank
YellowCabbageCollard@reddit
I still feel like there is some underlying plan here that I'm just not getting. Like someone is aware of a limited period of time we have to take over resources across the planet before something critical in this timeline happens that the public is not aware of. Everything they are doing smacks of some level of desperation. But since we made one of our big sources of rare earth minerals into our enemy for "selling us lots of stuff" we must now desperately look for more sources. But why did they feel like they needed to make all these people our enemies??
sparklyfluff@reddit
This is how I also feel. Not only about climate and rare stuff but the whole thing that is happening in general. Something is off— like they know something we don’t. Governments are literally taking alliances since WWII and breaking them for nothing. Ideologies don’t matter. Just really odd
Wild-Lengthiness2695@reddit
By Governments you actually mean the US. And only since January.
sparklyfluff@reddit
Unless you are completely unaware of international politics— I’m not sure that stands.
Wild-Lengthiness2695@reddit
So give examples ?
China is still roughly aligned with Russia though not over Ukraine , which is nothing new given 2014. China still eyes the border hungrily and would absolutely go for it if it felt Russia couldn’t or wouldn’t defend it. China also continues its vague support of North Korea.
Russia continues to support and prop up various regimes including Iran , more so given that Russia is now partly reliant on Iranian and North Korean arms.
In Europe , President Trump’s actions and the ongoing war in Ukraine has actually cemented bonds between many nations , including the U.K. which left the EU.
Israel can still ultimately count on US, and to lesser degree , U.K. and French support and weapons.
Taiwan , is seeing a weaker relationship with the US , but greater support from Japan , Australia , New Zealand and others. These nations cannot repel a Chinese assault but they can add to the equation which may deter.
Generally I’d say one specific set of alliances is weakening but others are strengthening.
sparklyfluff@reddit
Given your examples I’d rather not continue but thanks for your perspective.
Wild-Lengthiness2695@reddit
Truth hurts
SexyPeanut_9279@reddit
Your political takes are a bit one-dimensional and lacking in nuance. For starters:
Russia is barely allied with China-they took a huge portion of China in 1860 (outer Manchuria-now called Priamurye) and if you understand the Chinese you know that they have a VERY long memory and have not forgotten (or forgiven) They will take that land back when Russia is at its weakest.
Trumps diplomacy in Europe has actually gotten Germany and other NATO allies to increase military spending for the first time in over two decades. (You know, instead of the American tax-payer funding their security through the protection of the U.S military.)
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62z6gljv2yo.amp
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/st
Wild-Lengthiness2695@reddit
I literally said China still has its eye on the border 😂 “barely allied” is a strong take , where interests align they absolutely are.
Sure NATO members comitted to spending more , but that’s looking like it’s going to be spent with European arms manufacturers , for obvious reasons. The US industrial military complex has benefitted from the previous situation massively.
The current administration absolutely will not go all out to defend Taiwan, you really think it will go to war over overseas manufacturing with the current agenda ? It cannot sell that idea as it’s too complex. Ofc the US cannot manufacture the chips easily at home , but since when has logic influenced policy since January ?
YellowCabbageCollard@reddit
I don't doubt you but I find it hard to keep up with the level of things happening. Who all is breaking alliances besides the US? I do attempt to follow things but it's non stop and I have cut back to try and save my sanity a little.
Macho_Chad@reddit
They’re about to kill off ocean life in masse for profit. This is going to end so many species.
SexyPeanut_9279@reddit
This and many other takes sound like they’re were written by high schoolers.
All hyperbole no evidenced to support any of it.
Picking up rocks off the ocean floor is going to cause mass extinction in the ocean? Yea that rich.
Didn’t BP sill 134 MILLION gallons into the Gulf? Yet collecting rocks is going to be more damaging somehow?
Feeling-Scientist703@reddit
What about ism, *actual? high-school child type arguement. pls never reproduce
Macho_Chad@reddit
It may be difficult for you to understand, but yes, dredging the sea floor will destroy ecosystems that took hundreds of millions of years to establish. I’m no high schooler, either. My masters was in marine biology.
Here are some easy sources.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/environment/article/deep-sea-mining-impacts-visible-44-years-on-uk-expedition-finds-mrq3hfmwp
https://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo2983
https://www.theverge.com/news/656766/donald-trump-executive-order-deep-sea-mining
BayouGal@reddit
It will end the human species. We get a lot of our food from the ocean. And oxygen.
SexyPeanut_9279@reddit
We’re in an (AI) Arms race with China- that’s what you’re missing.
To function this new AI technology (future AI-not what we have now) we will need a lot of energy-double the amount the U.S.A currently produces.
This is also why Coal, Nuclear, and Fracking plants are being rapidly approved and built across the U.S.
Whoever reaches the singularity first will have a massive advantage on global dominance-and the U.S wants to get there before CB ima does.
(As far as rare earth minerals-a lot of nations have them and we don’t necessarily need China-who has been our #1 enemy since the end of the Cold War. They started this enmity by stealing our intellectual property for the past 30+years, manipulating their markets, and also bulling our allies in the region like the Philippines, Japan, and Korea, (and Vietnam, who were becoming closer with recently-they hate China more than anyone.)
Littlestlynch7@reddit
I think it's just about maximizing profits in a way to somehow satisfy corporate greed. This all just looks like a modern version of the 1800s European race to colonize Africa. There is not despiration or need just classic greed.
YellowCabbageCollard@reddit
I don't get how it helps American corporations though. If they have to shut down their factories in China and build new factories here and pay Americans more to work in them how does it improve their profits? I just read an article yesterday quoting the manufacturer of some baby food utensils, toys, bottles and pacifiers etc and he said shelves were going to be empty of his stuff in a couple of months because he can't even get old equipment out of China to ship it here.
I'm sure it helps someone, somewhere financially if they capitalize on. But it seems like it screws a lot of big corporations over as well.
Littlestlynch7@reddit
Fir the tariff side, yes I think you're right. I think Trump thought china would cave to his demands and he's sweating not knowing to get them to bend.
WordySpark@reddit
I often wonder what Space X is doing to the atmosphere with it frequently putting satellites into orbit and also the reentry of those satellites which leave behind trace materials. That combined with a recent Space X flight that orbited the poles, makes me wonder if ozone depletion / climate change is being exacerbated at an ever increasing rate & we'll be the last to know.
Poops-iFarted@reddit
They're making record profits based on constant consumption. They continually need more resources to keep feeding said consumption. Finding new methods to obtain these resources allows them to continue to make even higher record profits. Money, money, money.
RootEroS@reddit
Right? Something feels off because something much bigger is happening that we’re not necessarily aware of. I’m actually really concerned. The open denial of reason and embracing chaos…it reeks of the desperation you’re referring to.
NationalGeometric@reddit
Jan 2027 - UFO disclosure agreement time is up.
EldritchTouched@reddit
My guess is aliens.
gplfalt@reddit
And are these aliens just sitting on the dark side of the moon waiting for...?
DarthFister@reddit
The rich and powerful know about climate tipping points and feedback loops.
Gygax_the_Goat@reddit
BINGO
you got it
ReasonableAnything99@reddit
I thought, environmentally, we decoded not to harvest these because doing so would destroy the ocean floor habitat and ecologically cause devastating impacts and essentially cause more harm than could be handled. I remeber there was a reason we didn't do this earlier. Anyone else? Maga is an authoritarian regime willing to destroy the planet at rapid speed.
Alive_Education_3785@reddit
I saw news about this years ago. Some young tech CEO eager to just vacuum up the sea floor and pan for rare metals, with no concern for how terrible it's probably gonna be for ecosystems. Trying to framinit as a gentle harvesting process. I'll try to see if I can find the source. For some reasons I'm feeling like it's an Adam Ruins Everything thing ...
Nvmun@reddit
what reasons do you have that it "will probably be terrible for ecosystems" ?
Alive_Education_3785@reddit
Essentially the way they harvest these nodules is to vacuum up the entire top layer of the seabed, then soft through the debris to separate the valuable nodules. Kicking up a bunch of particles into the ocean in the process. They advertise it as s being a super gentle process that doesn't disturb the ecosystem, but it'd essentially be like shovelling off the entire topside of your yard and saying it's probably fine. Plenty of things could rely on that layer of the biome to survive, even if they don't directly live there. And there's no telling what effects it could have on nearby ecosystems, including the entire rest of the planet. The health of the oceans affects the health of the land, too. For example, coral reefs protect coastlines from storms and erosion. And bottom feeding deep sea species contribute to the normal process of decay and growth by breaking down dead matter and recycling it. And killing off the species that feed others can affect food supplies by crippling the fishing industry.
fleshlessmetalpiston@reddit
I remember John Oliver talking about it.
Alive_Education_3785@reddit
Thank you!! I was relying on google and all I could find was a bunch of articles and a YouTube video I never watched.
hdufort@reddit
NOAA has become an empty shell agency, used to promote various industries. Here we see the promotion of deep sea mining. And yes it is true that deep sea metallic nodules can be harvested. We need to be careful not to scrape and destroy ecosystems by doing so.
jwil00@reddit
NOAA isn’t the only one. The Department of Energy has largely become the same thing. Look into how many DOE laboratories are involved in promoting fossil fuels over renewables via good PR-sounding things like “carbon capture and storage” or “hydrogen hubs”.
Nvmun@reddit
why are "renewables" better then fossil fuels?
jwil00@reddit
Because fossil fuels are already monopolized. If our goal is to increase shareholder profits and make more billionaires, which it obviously should be, we need to create more economic opportunities for the top 0.1%.
As history has proven time and time again, the economy will be stimulated by this broadened economic base, leading to increased prosperity for all.
This can only be done by expanding the energy industry with newer profit-generating technologies.
jerseycoyote@reddit
Right now it seems the economics won't work out: battery metals prices are currently quite low, especially for nickel and lithium. Hopefully it remains just too expensive to pick up these rocks from the ocean floor compared to the glut of supply from Indonesia and deceased demand from China
Resident_Chip935@reddit
The economics don't work out if you're using your own money.
If you're using OUR money, then the economics work out.
That's exactly what this post is saying.
jerseycoyote@reddit
True if these efforts are subsidized under the name of national security then they'll force the economics to work
SexyPeanut_9279@reddit
It’s funny when China uses its states power to “steal” resources out of the South China Sea, We say nothing about it.
The minute the U.S. tries to make itself competitive with accessing resources and selling them on the global stage, people are all up in arms about the environment.
So you have any idea what China has been doing to its environment? Just to remain competitive with the West?
We’re at a stage where we are retooling and rebuilding our manufacturing base- and these rare earth metals are incumbent on our future successes We need all the resources and energy we can get. Access to these resources means national security.
Constant_Mud7080@reddit
Also the more infrastructure we build the cheaper the logistics become and therefore the production and manufacturing costs. It will start off expensive at first but lower as we start re-industrializing.
Resident_Chip935@reddit
who is this "we" you speak of
Constant_Mud7080@reddit
Americans.
Resident_Chip935@reddit
I don't want to give my tax dollars away to billionaires.
Especially not for free.
They should be forced to beg for it.
Constant_Mud7080@reddit
I agree, which means we have to take back control of the government and align the elites with national interests.
Resident_Chip935@reddit
The meaning isn't super specific in that post, but it does say that NOAA is "helping" private industry find and collect the minerals.
HurryAdorable1327@reddit
The US gov will be enriching itself by using federal funds - aka our tax money - to get and sell these important minerals to their friends (Elon).
Eycetea@reddit
It's so nauseating seeing the corruption and the plundering of our nature environment to just make a few extra billion dollars
Gygax_the_Goat@reddit
BINGO
Abyssal_Mermaid@reddit
It mostly their utility as a rare earth element source. Stuff like their iron, Manganese, and nickel content is more of a byproduct.
People have been trying to make this cost effective for decades, and the lack of American refining capacity for REEs make this a moot point for years at a minimum. The big issue is Chinese dominance of the REE, and radioactive refining byproducts when refining terrestrial deposits (if I remember correctly).
(Got to mess around with a few nodules in grad school 15 to 20 years ago)
jerseycoyote@reddit
I'm surprised, I recall most articles about this saying the nodules are mainly sources for battery metals like cobalt, manganese, iron etc and less so REEs. Perhaps different deep sea things have different minerals?
Abyssal_Mermaid@reddit
Maybe I got it wrong, it’s been a while. To me the REEs were always the highlight as part of a critical mineral strategy, but we could do domestic terrestrial mining there too if we really wanted to.
biggesthumb@reddit
By "just pick up" you mean large machinery or nets scraping the ocean floor, right? This will be devastating to an already endangered and struggling habitat
jerseycoyote@reddit
I'm well aware of the negative impacts of what's proposed
SoberBobMonthly@reddit
Honestly I think there is a more nefarious reason for this. They want control of the minerals because everyone else will not be trading with the USA. We all have plenty of supplies out here in the rest of the world, its the yanks who need to secure their own minerals due to this trading insanity.
jerseycoyote@reddit
This is a good point, if no one wants to trade with us then they'll say that we have to secure our supply somehow. One worrying aspect of this beyond the environmental is that (most of) the rocks in question aren't under us jurisdiction. They fall under the UN, which hasn't approved deep sea mining in international waters, so the us would be rejecting the authority of the un if they go ahead with this.
SoberBobMonthly@reddit
I mean, the rest of us overseas know the USA does not follow the UN rules at all, so enjoy that when it happens lol
StrCmdMan@reddit
Also because these things produce oxygen where little oxygen exists and they’re ancient. We know so little about them once they’re gone if we need them back it will be too late.
struckman@reddit
Can we please not let a bunch of fucking people who will be dead in less than 10 years start fucking up the planet even more?!
Nvmun@reddit
the planet is fine.
TYRMONSTER@reddit
I feel like the people who will be dead in less than 10 years are the ones that have really been fucking us this whole time
TotalRecallsABitch@reddit
Not strange at all.
There is a multinational undersea drilling agreement that America has been refusing to sign. This was even under Biden.
The notion why wasn't for environmental reasons like the media portrayed....it was because they (America) wanted to operate outside of the agreement parameters.
Europe signed it. China is spearheading it. the agreement delves into where and how minerals are retrieved across the oceans of the world.
Memerandom_@reddit
Jon Oliver did a deep dive (no pun intended) on this topic years ago that's informative and nuanced and worth a watch. Short answer, this is a bad idea, but so is every other idea this regime institutes.
Sckillgan@reddit
Very very bad idea... And if it is that weird guy in the lead... Even worse idea. There go our oceans, lets just speed up the destruction of the world by a few hundred years.
grazinbeefstew@reddit
Atomsq@reddit
Memerandom_@reddit
grazinbeefstew@reddit
Pappa_Crim@reddit
strange how?
lucifv84@reddit
Love how it doesnt mention that those nodes are home to senstive marine life as will as giving off a unusual amount of O2 that has yet to be fully understood. But hey, lets mess up the oceans more, they can take another hit for the home team.
awwhorseshit@reddit
We literally could buy these minerals from countries who don’t mind destroying their environment at a discount.
Hungry-Share-3719@reddit
So you only care about your part of the planet.
Very Greenpeace of you.
jared555@reddit
Some environmental damage is easier to recover from than others. One is a superfund site, another is potentially impossible to recover from globally on a human species timeline.
Hungry-Share-3719@reddit
What’s your point?
Some damage is worse than others, no shit.
Sounds like people are okay with the damage if it is somewhere else.
Not a very environmentally sound stance.
jared555@reddit
I am somewhat OK with environmental damage that will be practically remediated in a reasonable time frame and doesn't have significant consequences for innocent bystanders.
Hungry-Share-3719@reddit
Try again.
The statement I was initially responding to was about getting minerals from countries with fewer environmental standards than the US causing more harm to the planet.
lucifv84@reddit
-china enters into the chat-
Standard_Greeting@reddit
This comment needs to be higher. Scientists are still not sure how oxygen gets into the deep ocean but they think these nodules are key to supplying deep sea life with the oxygen they need.
Best case scenario, we get minerals. Worst case, we kill all deep sea life.
dodekahedron@reddit
That's the plan. We're at war with the deep sea aliens, and they want to cut off their oxygen supply to flush them to the surface.
(Maybe /s don't wanna go full /s and have to be like oh this didn't age well if it ends up being true)
Master-Back-2899@reddit
Actually the worst case would be we kill off deep sea life kicking off a chain reaction that kills all ocean life, killing off all oxygen consuming life on earth.
single_use_12345@reddit
Another scenario: major powers start to compete over these.
lucifv84@reddit
Its cool Acid oceans wont affect people on land. thats salt water not fresh water.
throwntosaturn@reddit
team Drink Bleach may not be convinced by something as minor as "acid water is bad", just saying.
mitchellmccann-@reddit
Brawndo’s got what plants crave
Impressive_Worth_913@reddit
The sad and terrifying reality is all of the world's oceans are interconnected, essentially making them one gigantic ecosystem.
Disturbing the ocean floor will almost certainly disrupt the balance of the very delicate life that exists there, and it's truly anyone's guess as to the fallout. Those are likely anaerobic zones with pH ranges of God knows what, and there's a very narrow range which will sustain sea life.
This saddens me to no end. I kept a 3500 liter salt water tank that emulated a tidal pool....grew Acropora, Tridacnid clams and a ton of fish, mangroves, etc.
What an amazing place our species have destroyed. It's terrible.
TylerBlozak@reddit
Or how this type of mining is completely uneconomical with current ocean mining tech (or lack thereof).
Many land-based deposits are economically unfeasible as it is, and never see the light of day. Yes you can likely find copper-bearing nodules with much higher density than even those of Chile and Spain, but the costs associated with the retrieval make it a non-starter.
single_use_12345@reddit
what is so hard? i'm expecting they'll make a drone to do it
jared555@reddit
I'm expecting the government will fund a large research program at the boring company but maybe it will be tesla or xai.
Arafel_Electronics@reddit
that was my first thought: there is absolutely no way that this could be cheaper than any other way of acquiring them
vavik2ammendment@reddit
Will someone please deal with those psychopaths before they kill most life on Earth?
GetItDoneOV@reddit
They generate a small electric current which breaks apart water molecules into their base components. It’s happens really slowly, in very small amounts, but it’s enough to slightly oxygenate the environment down at the deep ocean bottom. It’s a fascinating process. I don’t recall all the details but I think the saltwater, pressure, and freezing temperatures had something to do with it.
buggybugoot@reddit
Oh. So removing them = deep ocean lacks oxygen for life? Yeah sounds Republican to fuck up an entire ecosystem without thinking ahead. Weeeee!
aevwnn@reddit
Really? Where can I read more about that marine life? I always thought it was phytoplankton closer to the surface pumping out massive amounts of oxygen.
lucifv84@reddit
when considering if we should even consider mining these nodes, this is the answer given. Take it as it is. "What are the alternatives if we don't go to the ocean for these metals? The only alternative is more land mining and more pushing into sensitive ecosystems, including rainforests," said Gerard Barron, CEO of Vancouver-based The Metals Co, the most-vocal deep-sea mining company and one of 31 companies to which the ISA has granted permits to explore for - but not yet commercially produce - deep-sea minerals.
https://www.reuters.com/graphics/MINING-DEEPSEA/CLIMATE/zjpqezqzlpx/
lucifv84@reddit
down voting myself bc i hate this.
Different_Bed_9354@reddit
They're changing the definition of "harm" and what it means to "take" in relation to impacts to marine life. I'd bet that is related to these kind of activities.
Swimming_Point_3294@reddit
Seriously fuck Trump man
Swimming-Positive-55@reddit
The nodes are unique individualized ecosystems with tons of undiscovered tiny species. The reason I’m saying this is cuz quite a few, some even well known drugs have been developed from the discoveries made from these. There’s a massive value to studying them, for those looking for a logical reason to preserve them rather than ethical.
ButterThyme2241@reddit
Everything they do is done without thinking. It’s wild that Congress just doesn’t exist right now
edharma13@reddit
Anybody ever hear of DeepSea Ventures? Look it up.
WhereDidAllTheSnowGo@reddit
Yes.
This isn’t a new finding. It hasn’t been feasible to mine these before, probably still isn’t
legsdownundah@reddit
It's also really bad for the environment. There's a lot we don't know about the ocean, but we are very aware of the damage this will cause to the seafloor if this sort of mining really takes off. RIP planet earth
SubstantialPressure3@reddit
Maybe a deep sea cryptid will take them out. I can always hope, right?
laowildin@reddit
Literally the plot of Underwater (2020)
tje210@reddit
I love movies set underwater, and that one turned it to 11.
d_to_the_c@reddit
More like releasing shit tons of Methane and other gasses from the process.
homeschoolrockdad@reddit
https://youtu.be/qW7CGTK-1vA?si=UIoHxF6GMAt1Phrk
edharma13@reddit
For those too lazy to do it on their own: https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/pulled-deep-scientists-found-lost-deep-sea-mining-site-sc-coast-what-secrets-does-it-hold
homeschoolrockdad@reddit
Disgusting. This is the stuff that John Oliver did a piece on last year (see below) about the elite trying to scrape the bottom of the ocean floor jacking up the ecosystem for minerals that they’ve been trying to get their grubby hands on for years. From seafloor mining to pillaging of national forests to the death of public health m…All of this shit is compromised now.
https://youtu.be/qW7CGTK-1vA?si=UIoHxF6GMAt1Phrk
Jtastic@reddit
Trump probably pushed NOAA to bend the knee or get deleted. That's the deal.
Starkiller_303@reddit
This seems written by a DOGE intern. They did just come do layoffs at NOAA. I have a friend who just lost his job of 10 years. Fuck DOGE.
SebastianeBeauforte@reddit
Is this the same nodules that create dark oxygen ?
letthew00kiewin@reddit
Oh lordy, someone must have lost another piece of nuclear kit on the sea-floor again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glomar_Explorer
HillTower160@reddit
Break out the GLOMAR EXPLORER. Elmo can play Howard Hughes and keep bottles of pee all over his house and such.
SketchTeno@reddit
Do you NOT think that is exactly what Elmo has been doing? Global satellite internet network. Fleet of massive reusable rockets. Humanoid robots. Ai. Underground tunneling. ... The dude 100% is just today's Howard hughs.
HillTower160@reddit
You don't understand my comment about peeing in bottles, do you?
Gloomy_Channel_2701@reddit
Important to note that these nodules play an important role in dark oxygen production, and that sea life in harvested areas does not bounce back, even years down the line.
It’s not just another non-renewable resource, it’s a vital component of deep sea life.
theRealLevelZero@reddit
This was the cover story through Howard Hughes when the US tried to steal a sunken Soviet submarines off the ground
SketchTeno@reddit
THANK YOU. Not enough awareness of this bit of history. I recall many years ago my father being quite salty about the deception when it came to light, as when he was a child he says there was a mass media frenzy about what a great program mining the oceans was going to turn into.
On a side note, it seems quite plausible that many of the major tech billionaires (musk, Zuckerberg, gates) fill a similar role in today's society of running/ being the public face of covert programs that would otherwise never see the light of day through official public government channels.
Euphoric_Sock4049@reddit
Let's kill the environment for shit we don't need!! Woohoo!!
Puzzleheaded-Round66@reddit
Shame.
VX-Cucumber@reddit
NOAA would not post this on their own accord. Trump infiltrated and now has NOAA supporting actions that benefit Peter Thiel and critically damage an ecosystem. The billionaires successfully took over the entire country, a revolution is needed.
SpotResident6135@reddit
Capitalism has overtaken our democracy.
Savings-Coffee@reddit
NOAA isn’t an organization that has its own accord, it’s part of the Commerce Department that operates under the direction of the president.
squidwardtennisball3@reddit
Didn't elon defund NOAA like last week?
Pilgrim_of_Reddit@reddit
This will accelerate the destruction of the ocean ecosystems. Look up dark oxygen. Those modules produce oxygen and allow for life.
These nodules should not be mined.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c728ven2v9eo
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a64390388/scientists-find-dark-oxygen/
mykehawksaverage@reddit
Last week tonight did an episode on this last season I believe.
Gold-Piece2905@reddit
These are used in manufacturing solar panels if I remember correctly. The issue is retrieving them from such a great depth.
royale_wthCheEsE@reddit
Aren’t these the same nodules they find on the surface of Mars ?
ordosays@reddit
“And that’s how they killed the planet” - Zempgorp Frophlaz, chief historian of Humanity for the Galactic Library of Idiocy.
2A_in_CA@reddit
So you prefer to be reliant on other countries for these minerals?
CartographerFew3785@reddit
Yes, better then fucking the ocean more then it already is.
2A_in_CA@reddit
It’s NEVER a good idea to be reliant on others for essential needs, whether you’re an individual or a nation. The extent to which we are reliant is the extent to which we compromise our freedom.
beerm0nkey@reddit
Countries that are eager to participate in a global economy until a shitstain worshipped by mouthbreather cucks ruins the global order that benefited everyone?
Look for an expert in deprogramming.
jar1967@reddit
Slight problem NOAA's budger has been gutted.
intagliopitts@reddit
Yeah, just waiting to be scooped up out of the unconnected vacuum that is the ocean floor. Totally won’t have any affect on the ecosystem whatsoever. Fucking morons.
Davidwalsh1976@reddit
Why not mine space rocks
Dyn0might33@reddit
Right, with the space farce.
goddessofolympia@reddit
James Cameron made a documentary about the extreme ecosystems and unique life forms.
Why are these people destroying the Earth?
Defiant_Start_1802@reddit
Live in Oregon and this came out today that they are trying to sell sea mining minerals off the Oregon Coast to Canadian mining companies.
Hoping that the west coast would be willing to mobilize on that front.
Bimfoot@reddit
It's always some kind of dipshit sales pitch with these people.
Alive_Education_3785@reddit
Pretty soon they'll be selling the industrial waste from processing as some literal snake oil cure a la blue green algae or colloidal silver, or mummy dust; and people wont even be able to sue for damages when they start dying because there's no more regulatory or judicial branches.
"Rare sea elixer" or something. Just bringing back alchemy and mythical philosophers stones.
Itsumiamario@reddit
Vaseline...
UtopianPablo@reddit
My maga father in law is convinced that garbage in landfills will be an incredibly valuable resource one day. He’d for sure buy a rare sea elixir.
Boring-Philosophy-46@reddit
Idk about boomers but back in the 80s/90s we were taught in schools it would be. So far in Europe there have been some commercial projects (in Sweden I think) and they did manage to turn a small profit iirc on selling the metal and burning the leftover plastic (since paper and natural fibers decomposed) for energy. It requires having excess capacity in waste-to-energy incinerators and blows damaging chemicals into the environment (despite fancy filters). So all in all, not encouraging. The contamination makes the plastic not re-usable unlike what we got told in the 80s/90s.
IGnuGnat@reddit
Actually, I believe that
The road dust at the side of probably most highways in North America is approaching concentrations of some minerals that are valuable enough that mining operations to collect and refine the dust are probably already within a profitable range or will be soon. Think platinum (catalytic converters)
BrewCrewBall@reddit
He’s actually probably not crazy on that topic. E-waste could have more gold per square km than an actual gold mine.
DeleteriousDiploid@reddit
He might be right just not in the way he expects.
This video of garbage scavenging in Indonesia is probably one of the most dystopian things I have ever seen. Especially when you find out why they are doing it.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8fO-MoCJyLU
I think something similar could happen in any country as their economies collapse.
Alive_Education_3785@reddit
I suppose I could see landfill mining being a legit enterprise. But it wouldn't be like Star wars depicts it. Only way it's feasible is very expensive and with strict safety and protective equipment. Some of these landfills are probably more hazardous than even coal mines. And there's a non zero amount of corpses that would make turnover rates almost as high as retail or content moderation jobs.
Definitely not happening under the current admin Their Safety and regulation dismissals aside, they simply don't see value in recycling. They only know what they've been told is valuable and they expect it shiny and new
If anything it's more likely to be archaeological expeditions decades or centuries in the future studying us digging through those layers of waste.
Also I feel your pain. My mom got way into the "super blue green algae" craze in the 90s. That flavor is irrevocably seared into my neurons. And the texture of the snacks. Like Soylent green formed into artificial extruded shit nuggets. Anyway. At least I gained new perspectives on suffering and cost benefit analysis from the experience. Clearly the sort of thing your dad is eager for. Good luck with him. It can be exhausting, but remember you've already overcome a lot just to make it to today.
Missing-Zealot@reddit
Alchemy is why we have chemistry you knob
Alive_Education_3785@reddit
True. It's the literal source of the word chemistry, too. But there's no denying that was a little bit of a medieval wood element to the fantasies immorality elixers and such. Not that We as humans have really changed much since then.
Drawing_Tall_Figures@reddit
Sales pitch of doom to our environment
T0adman78@reddit
Yeah. John Oliver talked about this quite awhile ago. There’s been companies drooling to harvest these for awhile, but it is absolutely devastating to an eco system we know almost nothing about.
Of course when china supplies 90% of these and we started a trade war with them, you gotta find alternatives :(
Overall_Hand1553@reddit
To be fair if we know absolutely nothing about it, we don't know it would be devastating. It would better be described as risking some environmental damage.
T0adman78@reddit
While I was writing that, I realized how it seemed logically inconsistent, but I left it because I still think it’s accurate. I might not know anything about what’s in your house, but I’m pretty sure blowing it up would be absolutely devastating to anything inside.
But sure, we know a thing or two. I would still say in the grand scheme of things it’s almost nothing. And what we do know points to this mining being absolutely devastating and showing little or no recovery after decades.
And of course these are mostly international waters with an international agency working to establish rules. So, a post like this has very worrisome political implications in addition to the original environmental implications I originally mentioned.
-Luro@reddit
Did it they recently defund NOAA like big time?
DontLickTheGecko@reddit
Awesome episode from one of my favorite podcasts on this topic. Not taking about the mining itself, but a using it as a cover for a top secret operation.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0uoKd12pYR5NqqBgRFrVcw?si=1O1SnTJqS2yipEd7GF_UCA
fooknprawn@reddit
Glomar Explorer 2.0
HourAd5987@reddit
Translation: NOAA serves the corporations now...
belai437@reddit
IF.. and this is world's biggest ever IF.... we have legit elections again and Dems manage to get the WH in 2028, I don't want to hear one single redhat complain about how much it costs to unfuck all this.
rapsnaxx84@reddit
I watched a video about these last year and yes like everything capitalism does it will be ruinous to the environment on the ocean floor. I don’t remember if scientists even know what these do down there.
Donkey-Hodey@reddit
This is bad. These nodules have been known about for a long time but it’s expensive and environmentally ruinous to collect them.
Nice_Collection5400@reddit
Propaganda.
therapistofcats@reddit
Can someone explain how this is related directly to my preps?
As far as I'm aware it's not a new discovery, it's just the Trump admin saying it's open now, but it's not like anyone is going to start harvesting anytime soon.
kl2342@reddit
Every moment NOAA spends on fluffing disaster capitalism is less time spent on actual weather data for you and everyone.
therapistofcats@reddit
Not really. Do you know how the NWS even works? Do you think the person running NOAAs Instagram is also doing forecasting?
ForthrightGhost@reddit
If this happens any time soon, it will hyper accelerate what’s already happening with the oceans dying out.
therapistofcats@reddit
If.
Can you post the source of the scientific paper you're quoting that says it will "hyper accelerate" the ocean dying off?
I'm confused how decimating this part of the US EEZ would hyper accelerate ocean die off. But you seem more informed about this than me so please let me know what you're sourcing so I can be up to date too.
ForthrightGhost@reddit
This is a good start on what’s currently happening:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364821580_Climate_Disruption_Caused_by_a_Decline_in_Marine_Biodiversity_and_Pollution
therapistofcats@reddit
That article seems to do more with surface micro layer and phytoplankton and nothing to do with metallic nodules 3,000 to 6,000 meters below the surface.
We will need to address our increasing demands for these metals at some point. Our need for them is supposed to increase 500% by 2050. Recycling obviously can't produce more than what's already been mined.
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/03/1031434711/your-next-car-may-be-built-with-ocean-rocks-scientists-cant-agree-if-thats-good
It seems like deep sea mining is pretty far off of at all. There's too much risk and little profit.
https://oceanfdn.org/new-analysis-business-case-for-deep-sea-mining/
What's really interesting is that these nodules produce oxygen and hydrogen and are essentially little batteries.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/seafloor-metal-nodules-deep-sea-oxygen
ForthrightGhost@reddit
You’re correct, it’s not directly connected to the nodules, but the pollution from whatever kind of fuckery they plan on will add to the acidification of the oceans, and continue to contribute to the destruction of our life support systems. That’s all I’m trying to point out.
Your preps will be affected either way, as the acidification is already putting us all in danger. I’m hoping what you provided is accurate and it doesn’t take off.
Gygax_the_Goat@reddit
Try relying on NOAA for anything constructive or advisory about dangerous weather and climate now..
AND.. LEAVE THOSE FUCKING CATS A LONE
therapistofcats@reddit
Cats need mental health professionals too. What about this post impacts advisory warnings about weather?
NeoliberalUtopia@reddit
Yup let's acidify the ocean further and destroy ecosystems, but hey at least next quarter will look good on paper
SubOrbitalOne@reddit
Fire up the Glomar Explorer
pooks_est1983@reddit
Saw a video on this randomly. Seems that they also produce oxygen from a reaction (it's battery like make-up). Mining them en mass could cause a huge issue with deep sea oxygen supply. I'm so sick of fucking winning
berbsy1016@reddit
Anyone have Atlantis or Cthulhu on their 2025 bingo card?
Junior_Mood_9425@reddit
Clathrate Gun is back on the menu, bois.
Royal-Insurance-7534@reddit
I used to work for the ISA (International Seabed Authority), and this is technically not internationally legal. They are not a member state of the ISA (a UN satallite body that was created under UNCLOS ((UN Convention on the Law of the Sea)) and therefore are not mining party rights, once the rights are drafted and agreed upon, of course (they have not been but are close with the possibility of draft regulations possibly getting ratified this year at the 30th Session).
There is nothing to worry about; this will not trigger any international incident. Even recently, the US has had issues with other countries and has been in the UN GA to discuss. They are also always open to ratifying the treaty and becoming a Member State.
jerseycoyote@reddit
From this post and recent exec orders, it seems like the us is proposing to unilaterally begin mining in international waters like the Clipperton zone? Or am I misinterpreting things and they intend for negotiations to proceed first? This admin is not giving the impression of recognizing much un authority whenever it can. Interested in your perspective on this
AggravatingTouch6628@reddit
Everyone should watch the “Last Week Tonight” with John Oliver episode on this topic.
laowildin@reddit
And then the film Underwater
Huntduxin25@reddit
Kinda hard to do since they've defunded NOAA and the national weather service...
Not-A-Real-Person-67@reddit
Last week tonight did an episode on this. It’s going to wreck the world.
kl2342@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW7CGTK-1vA
ddesideria89@reddit
You guys need to read about dark oxygen https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a64390388/scientists-find-dark-oxygen/
We might just suffocate the ocean
Phixionion@reddit
Why are we helping private corporations with our tax payer money?
Savings-Coffee@reddit
Because if we don’t, China will have a monopoly on critical minerals necessary for national security.
Phixionion@reddit
That does seem to be the new talking point, isn't it? We should probably just do it ourselves if it's a security risk, right? Instead of doing it for corps and being charged again for it.
Savings-Coffee@reddit
So you want a state-owned mining company? That’s a novel idea. Seems like it’d open the door to a lot of corruption.
Seriously, agencies like the USGS have long conducted research and geological studies which private companies have acted on. This doesn’t seem any different
Phixionion@reddit
You want state owned defense? You said it was needed for national security. Sounds like we do the work for private industry is all.
Savings-Coffee@reddit
We needed weapons manufacturing here as well, and we use private industry for that. I don’t see how this is any different
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crom_laughs@reddit
something tells me that us humans should leave these nodules alone.
wftango@reddit
CTHULHU 2028!
Hubbleice@reddit
Yea let’s plow the bottom of the ocean and kill everything at the bottom of the food chain, usually works out for ya…
Impossible_Tie2497@reddit
What is that?
iridescent-shimmer@reddit
I hate these people so much. And I hate everyone who voted for them.
mrminty@reddit
I always said it as more of a joke, but the last few months I've been astonished by how stupid everything is. And what greedy and cruel pigs people can be when they feel like there's no consequences.
iridescent-shimmer@reddit
Yeah I try my absolute hardest to avoid dehumanizing language, but Republican leaders are truly testing my limits.
carlitospig@reddit
‘I hate air right now.’ (Quentin Coldwater, The Magicians)
I didn’t really understand this energy until 2025 but I do, I really do hate literally everything lately.
iridescent-shimmer@reddit
lol yeah someone sent me the reddit cares alert. MAGA can fuck all the way off. Just they wait until it's their turn. I'm not supporting politicians who want civility anymore.
Gygax_the_Goat@reddit
/r/collapsesupport
🙋🏽❤️
carlitospig@reddit
Thanks bb, I joined. 🥰
No_Mission_5694@reddit
Underwater war with Russia. I called it.
rxchmachine@reddit
Strip mining the world
silentbob1301@reddit
yeah, there is a bevy of potential environmental impacts from dredging these things up...you know, destroying entire oceanic ecosystems....
EndlessMantra@reddit
I heard a story on NPR today about this. The US wants the minerals, but most are in international waters. They're considering a start near Samoa.
Alieninmyattic@reddit
Maybe they can open up a sealed chamber and release Cthulhu or the kraken.
ImportantMode7542@reddit
This is how Meg 2 happened.
IronDadman@reddit
The messaging feels like Trump fingers..
Dangerous_Double5131@reddit
Didn’t someone discover that those nodules actually are a source of oxygen production. This is probably a bad idea.
https://cen.acs.org/physical-chemistry/Nodules-deep-sea-source-dark/102/web/2024/07
Oniriggers@reddit
John Oliver did a show about deep sea mining, https://youtu.be/qW7CGTK-1vA?si=Bc40gID6Gy86MGg7
OkTry7525@reddit
Author Susan Casey has written some very good books on the ocean, including the mineral deposits on the sea floor. She takes a conservationist perspective, concerned that strip-mining the ocean floor before we know much at all about the ecosystem down there might destroy unique habitats and harm the health of the oceans as a whole, and that this destruction would be essentially invisible to us. Here's one summary article https://nhmu.utah.edu/articles/2025/03/uncovering-oceans-secrets-susan-casey
Nero-Stud@reddit
All that gathering is going to destroy the sea floor
iinabii@reddit
They’ll find a little more than they bargain for down there ;-)
findtheclue@reddit
Welp, now I know even NOAA had become just another propaganda arm…
sjb2971@reddit
I read about these not too long ago. They may create a chemical reaction of some kind that produces oxygen. https://www.bu.edu/articles/2024/deep-sea-oxygen-raises-questions-about-extraterrestrial-life/#:~:text=These%20deep%2Dsea%20rocks%2C%20called,produce%20oxygen%20on%20the%20seafloor.
Demosthenes-storming@reddit
Google project Azorian
When the CIA wanted to retrieve a Russian sub and asked Howard Hughes to "mine these magnesium ingots" as cover for their operation.
Silentfranken@reddit
Those nodules were also found to hep oxygenate the water but tear up another ecosystem, there are bound to be no knock on effects.
ski_for_joy@reddit
Username checks out. Also FDT
GladimirGluten@reddit
Did a Russian sub sink that we don't know about?
Lurker1065@reddit
Although I love in the Caribbean, I no longer trust NOAA. The NHC used to be helpful. Now, the whole thing is co.promosed and no more trustworthy than Baron von Schitzenpants himself.
gunnerf1@reddit
Nodules - that was the premise for the CIA/ Howard Hughes collaboration to raise that sunken Russian sub, if I remember correctly?
sole_food_kitchen@reddit
I’m a mining engineer and I fucking hate this deep sea mining shit even tho if it would be super cool to work on personally.
Reptilian_Brain_420@reddit
These nodules have been known about for decades. People have been proposing to mine them for just as long.
Paper-street-garage@reddit
I doubt they’re just sitting on top of the surface, whatever they do. It’s going to cause a lot of environmental damage.
kl2342@reddit
Eat seafood now while you still can
General_Nose_691@reddit
Our planet is for sale and the poor are paying for it
tall_cool_1@reddit
So nobody paid any attention when the previous administration pretty much eliminated our ability to mine these minerals and elements on our own soil? This is the inevitable consequence of myopic policy.
BronzeSpoon89@reddit
We have known about these for a while. Trump is looking for a source of minerals and metals and so will greenlight basically anything at this point.
vibezaddi@reddit
These things cause a chemical reaction that releases oxygen into the deep ocean, removing them could have unknown consequences.
Bitter-Narwhal-36@reddit
This ugly carelessness.
EuphoricAd5826@reddit
This is deeply disturbing, NOAA turning into a deep sea mining company
Street_Stretch9451@reddit
I didn't think there was any shortage of minerals. The reason the supply chain exists as it does is because those are the cheapest places to get the minerals due to dirt cheap cost of labor, kids in mines.
SquirrelMurky4258@reddit
This is just to motivate the Chinese government, they think they have us over a barrel.
OccupyAudio@reddit
Last Week Tonight cover why this is TERRIBLE ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW7CGTK-1vA
KanataSlim@reddit
They tried this a long time ago. Terrible idea.
GoFuckYourDuck@reddit
You know what's wild? I was just reading about this exact form of "mining" in a fiction book - Venomous Lumpsucker for anyone interested. This mining was directly implicated in the destruction of several endangered species in the book, and it's all managed by the large corporations who are part of the "extinction industry". I couldn't gelo but draw some parallels to the current situation with corps paying for "carbon credits" and other similar horseshit that is being billed as good for the environment while actually just being a monetized smokescreen for continued destruction.
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit
This is older news.
confused_boner@reddit (OP)
NOAA (@noaa) • Instagram photos and videos
looks like it was posted 5h ago
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit
They've been going after those nodules since the late 1980s.
They had this recent propaganda on mining them just recently here in the last few weeks.
I actually had money in Nautilus Minerals at one point thinking it would gain traction politically.
jerseycoyote@reddit
The ISA has never issued extraction permits for deep sea mining in international waters, and the us has abided by this precedent despite not being a member of unclos. The NOAA post is among the first big hints that this admin intends to flagrantly disregard any semblance of authority the ISA might have
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit
That would be something, though the recent push in battery production has been Sodium-ion batteries with more research into graphene ceramics. Both pushing away from rare earths.
jerseycoyote@reddit
This kind of innovation would be ideal, the faster we can reduce dependence on minerals like cobalt, lithium etc the better if possible
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit
Tech is often 30-50 years behind discovery though. And this SUUUCKS, because I know what they currently have in labs / what patents have been scooped up.
confused_boner@reddit (OP)
Yes, but that's not the main point of interest on this post in my opinion...the main point of interest on this post is NOAA shilling for it now for political points.
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit
I was in an interesting discussion recently, a few of us believe and prep for "sovereign debt crisis." We were discussing if it were to happen, would it be better to slowly, or all at once?
confused_boner@reddit (OP)
Anti what are you talking about lol did you reply to the wrong post?
would it be better for a debt crisis to unfold slowly or all at once?
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit
I'm pointing out "why" such things are happening.
confused_boner@reddit (OP)
Hmm....🤔
Apologies...might be too deep for me to understand
as far as I can tell, recently we've been speedrunning getting a debt crisis started (liberation day)...but then slamming on the brakes at the last second (bond yield scare)
so I can't really tell what the real objective is right now with the people in charge
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit
Major issues... ON ALL SIDES, with legit EVERYONE in denial over certain truths.
I realized I went on a rant and stopped myself. But, I think it will be eye opening whats coming, and will make and break people worse than it already is.
Old-Engineer2926@reddit
It is all part of the plan to rape the Earth, destroy biological life and usher in a new epoch of machine-life as the prophets of doom are now in control of our government.
Sea_Bumblebee7028@reddit
Capitalism is so rotten man.
SoupOfThe90z@reddit
Goddamn. This man is a threat to the world
Strong_Strength_5107@reddit
Leave those nodules be! There are eco-systems that survive on them. And the trawler scooper vehicles will leave death to unknown species in a haze of silt. There are other renewable battery sources. Use THEM.
No-Cobbler-6188@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/s/1ATCbvxTRR
No-Cobbler-6188@reddit
This is chilling. So they gutted NOAAs capacity to do important things like weather forecasting and storm tracking, so they could instead use it to promote open sea floor mining???? Disgusting
LarryBringerofDoom@reddit
The tests areas they did over 50 years ago still haven’t recovered. It’s all so fucked
epsteinpetmidgit@reddit
It's not strange, it's 2025, the days of MAGA/DOGE. They are just trying to keep their jobs. That's what it has come to.
SubstantialPressure3@reddit
Are these the same thing?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/08/29/metallic-spheres-interstellar-origin-avi-loeb-finds/70699783007/ Now the professor and theoretical astrophysicist at Harvard University says he and a team of scientists are one step closer to making that determination after they retrieved suspected remnants of the meteor in June off the coast of Papua New Guinea. On Tuesday, Loeb said in a media release that early analysis suggests those small metallic objects actually are interstellar in origin.
And then it was "debunked" that they were interstellar https://www.space.com/alien-spherules-new-analysis-shows-likely-origin-is-earth Last summer, Harvard astrophysicist and extraterrestrial hunter Avi Loeb declared that several tiny, metallic balls dredged up from the bottom of the ocean were likely remnants from an interstellar meteorite, and could even contain signatures of alien technology. Now, independent analysis suggests the spheres have a much less distant origin: They are more likely a by-product of burning coal on Earth.
Maybe they were of interstellar origin after all, and a private govt contractor has decided to harvest them.
Really strange that NOAA makes the announcement.
PushbackIAD@reddit
Someone give me some helpful knowledge on how this won’t disrupt the oxygen spewing nodes that breath life into the ocean for my own mental sake
Effective_Collar9358@reddit
It’s not strange. NOAA was holding back a complete tape of the sea floor that would extinct many of the last unknowns of the world. Mining for these materials kills everything in that area.
fruderduck@reddit
Can someone send a message to the Aliens to come visit a little sooner?
King_Kea@reddit
Mineral nodules on the sea floor is nothing new. It's a small part of why continental shelf claims are significant, since they allow access to resources "on and under" the sea floor.
And yeah, there's a number of reasons why people haven't really been mining/harvesting these - partly the difficulty of getting to them since they're on deep ocean floors, and partly the high risk of damage to fragile ecosystems on the sea floor. Dredging would be a classic example - you can scrape the sea floor for these but you would WRECK the environment.
I don't think this is really "prepper" stuff. It's more on the level of deforestation and habitat removal than anything signalling an existential threat at this stage. Even with companies being granted permission to harvest these, it'll take time for that to reach a scale comparable to already existing environmental destruction (e.g. deforestation, open-pit mines)
UtopianPablo@reddit
Oh yeah no longer content with land, we’re about to fuck up the sea floor too.
therustyworm@reddit
The largest ones are 8", they were discovered in 1868, in the 60s and 70s billions of dollars was put into research into mining them. I see nothing in here about them supporting life.
Malcolm_Morin@reddit
The NOAA is compromised.
rs98762001@reddit
Utterly fucking sickening
IskaralPustFanClub@reddit
I have a feeling the US is about to royally fuck us all yet again
Rivne_2023@reddit
It was covered in the Washington Post
https://wapo.st/4k8Mh6H (gift article)
HollywoodAndTerds@reddit
Don’t those things create oxygen for the planet?
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-024-01480-8
Welp.
myrrorcat@reddit
The oligarchs are totally fine accumulating all the wealth and just dying rich and taking humanity with them. Life goals.
HD64180@reddit
Glomar Explorer.
Resident_Chip935@reddit
LOL - "The federal government is giving away your tax dollars to billionaires. You don't need weather forecasts. You need billionaires to get richer."
Sweaty-Feedback-1482@reddit
This country is an unlocked 10 story office building and the Trump admin is a pack of meth heads armed with sawzalls.... the last employee just clocked out for the weekend
hemholtzbrody@reddit
r/boringdystopia
Instinctualize@reddit
So basically the premise of Underwater. I don't expect and actual Cthulhu, but damn.
Sea-Replacement-8794@reddit
They can retrieve Deez Nodules
ESB1812@reddit
We’ve raped the land…now we’ll rape the ocean to fulfill our greed.
carlitospig@reddit
Not strange at all. Trump has been obsessed with minerals (totally lost that fight with Ukraine, loser 😆) AND Heritage Foundation had an explicit list to remove literally all safeguards for marine life.
This is unchecked greed.
WinterWontStopComing@reddit
These people are worse than the villains from Captain Planet
atlantasailor@reddit
Soon they will claim the atmosphere is the property of the USA and other countries have to pay to use it. A new tariff.
BoDaBasilisk@reddit
So sad literally just discovered this amazing ecosystem and geography and where just going to shovel it up and burn it for more iphones and vapes. Sometimes I wish I was dum and was content with some video game being my whole world
s-norris@reddit
Trump: Rape the planet and then make sure you get a good pic of me for my statue
dramallamacorn@reddit
Fuck
Unclesam_eats_ur_pie@reddit
Maybe that’s why they wanted to defund NOAA.
backcountry57@reddit
Its Project Azorian all over again.
alexandralittlebooks@reddit
I doubt it. This is much more stupid and greedy.