American Collapse problems need American solutions
Posted by Ghostwoods@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 67 comments

Posted by Ghostwoods@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 67 comments
TheEPGFiles@reddit
Of protesting worked they would've outlawed it.
XxCozmoKramerxX@reddit
Well, look at the protests where they have SWAT armed to the gills, throwing pepper spray, etc. These are usually the protests that actually threaten capital, not the ones where people waltz around with signs about "vote him out!" or whatever. And once peaceful protests are met with violence, it gets to the point of violent retaliation (or self-defense by the proletariat). Then the state uses all of its power to squash the revolutionary fervor. Look at what happened to the Black Panthers.
Ok_Distribution_4976@reddit
oh don't worry the kinds that are (effective) are very outlawed or get super sabotaged which is why we have the milqtoast ass demonstrations we see today
Ghostwoods@reddit (OP)
A lot of the common answers to political decay are rooted in old-world experience. The USA is very much not the old world, and not all answers work when you scale up territory.
Despotic oppression of the USA will be a major driver of both American and global collapse. No other country is in a position to make a significant difference, and the American political and media systems are entirely captured.
whichkey45@reddit
The USA is far smaller than any major European former empire.
The US withdrawing from its post WW2 position of economic privilege is not going to cause global collapse. On the contrary, the world will stop paying for US deficits/the US military. Obviously there is going to be a period of instability. Mainly managing a belligerent and untrustworthy USA is the biggest problem as it withdraws.
What we are seeing is the collapse of the USA, much like the former Soviet Union just a few decades earlier, into explicit oligarchy/authoritarianism.
This is a real disaster for the US. I remember looking at the mortality rates of former Soviet Union countries post Soviet Union collapse, around 2013ish (and yes, I did read this sub then - it was a lot better). Mortality rates had not recovered at that point. The US is looking at the unnecessary deaths of tens of millions of Americans.
HousesRoadsAvenues@reddit
Deaths of despair?
whichkey45@reddit
Deaths of despair (so somewhat self-inflicted), but also failures in healthcare provision, and the impact of increased poverty, whichis inevitable if America is going to compete with India and China as a manufacturing nation.
HousesRoadsAvenues@reddit
No argument from me. Thank you for the clarifications.
whichkey45@reddit
As a Brit I was surprised when I saw the excess deaths that happened with the collapse of the Soviet Union because the tv only reported it as being a great triumph for the world.
So for me there was a large hidden cost, that, if the US does not manage this transition from global reserve currency printer in a manner that is for the benefit of all Americans, may become payable by all Americans.
The only positive thing I can say here is forewarned is forearmed. Anyone reading this can try and build resilience into their lives now: emotional, physical, community-based, and monetary (if possible), before the rush. There is a non-zero chance It becomes a future matter of life and death. At least use the generally negative state of not being blissfully ignorant to your advantages.
HousesRoadsAvenues@reddit
As an American, I agree with you. Lots of MSM in the US proclaiming how wonderful it was that the Iron Curtain had fallen and it was the "end of Communism". Then later on into the 1990s and early 2000s you began to read stories about the increase of alcoholism in the former USSR/Russia. And the population decline (I can't recall the name they had for it) which has followed.
Deaths of Despair in the United States have been increasing, even before DJT took office in 2017. I am mainly thinking of increased over dose deaths and suicide rates amongst the young and middle aged.
Many on this sub, I would like to think, are self-aware and have both social and emotional resilience. At least we are talking about these things and recognize them. Ignorant we are not on r/collapse.
Ok_Distribution_4976@reddit
it is possible to intellectualize these things but not possess thenm
kingtacticool@reddit
Old ways are best ways.
It is known.
Sometimes it's time for negotiations.
Sometimes it's time to crucify mofos along the via apia.
Ghostwoods@reddit (OP)
It's time to go all Ancient School.
Bipogram@reddit
Medieval, perhaps.
HousesRoadsAvenues@reddit
Mayan even!
MaxPower303@reddit
Gloria populo
Dunkleosteus666@reddit
Thats literally what the French did in 1789..
Ghostwoods@reddit (OP)
Couldn't agree more. Good plan.
Bipogram@reddit
Have to find some knitters first.
Grouchy_Ad_3705@reddit
These two continents have been populated by humans since the ice age. There were functioning governments here during the Roman empirical oppression.
We do need to do something about what is going on now. Warlords have always disrupted peace and shed blood. A global peace council needs to have authority over the planet. Environmentalism and equity have to be the highest goals of humanity.
JotaTaylor@reddit
Oh, man, in my most desperate moment in corporate culture I brought this bad boy to a meeting and read aloud all the administrative boycott actions recommended there (recursive useless meetings, contradicting orders, delaying things to the utmost, etc, etc). "So, fellas, no one here is receiving money from a foreign country to purposely destroy this company, right? Why are we following those to the letter?", I asked. I was fired shortly after. XD
mrizzerdly@reddit
Omg I think someone at my job may using these tactics. We have multiple of the most useless meetings.
JotaTaylor@reddit
I mean, there's so much on this manual that is just completely so normal in most workplaces today. The section for office workers is in the last couple of pages of this document:
- Demand written orders;
- Haggle over precise wordings of communications, minutes, resolutions;
- "Misunderstand" orders. Ask endless questions or engage in long correspondence about such orders;
- Insist on doing everything through "channels." Never permit short-cuts to be taken in order to expedite decisions;
- Multiply the procedures and clearances involved in issuing instructions, pay checks, and so on. See that three people have to approve everything where one would do;
- Bring up irrelevant issues as frequently as possible;
- Make "speeches". Talk as frequently as possible and at great length. Illustrate your "points" by long anecdotes and accounts of personal experiences. Never hesitate to make a few appropriate "patriotic" comments;
- Refer back to mattes decided upon at the last meeting and attempt to re-open the question of the advisability of that decision;
- Insist on perfect work in relatively unimportant products; send back for refinishing those which have the least fiaw. Approve other defective parts whose fiaws are not visible to the naked eye;
- To lower morale and with it, production, be pleasant to inefficient workers; give them undeserved promotions. Discriminate against efficient workers; complain unjustly about their work;
SquirrelAkl@reddit
Holy jeepers. I work for a big bank: I think this is all ingrained in our culture.
I need a copy of this manual!
Apprehensive-Log8333@reddit
OMG I think my office manager is following this playbook
ohyeahwell@reddit
Holy shit did they at least give you the big brass balls award on your way out?
JotaTaylor@reddit
Nah, no Dundee award for that XD
Ghostwoods@reddit (OP)
That is a truly superb way to go!
JotaTaylor@reddit
Yeah, got quite a few laughs from the blue collars, but the bosses were really unimpressed (they were the ones pushing for counter-productive behaviors, obviously)
Ghostwoods@reddit (OP)
I'm shocked I tell you, shocked.
nottobytobytoby@reddit
That's great 👍 not the fired part obv
HeftyResearch1719@reddit
I was just reading about the Haitian revolution. Europe and the US still haven’t forgiven them.
SunnySummerFarm@reddit
I’m pissed I’ve been so busy planting for the last two days that I only saw this now. This is hilarious. I recently suggested an old man at my church was doing this… to stop organizing actions. Turns out it got people to take me seriously about the issues these old men were causing.
This cracked me up.
space_manatee@reddit
Every time I see someone say something along the lines of "vote them out" I cringe.Â
Aeroncastle@reddit
Trump got executive control of the federal election commission, something without precedent, the you only get democracy if he wants you to or if you do something about it
SnAIL_0ut@reddit
Even if Trump wasn’t destroying our democracy, voting wouldn’t fix the America empire from falling. It doesn’t help that people uses their stupidity to vote for people that do nothing but accelerate the collapse.
Aeroncastle@reddit
Hey, I found in the wild one of the people that didn't vote and are coping with having trump as a president!
SnAIL_0ut@reddit
I did vote for Kamala Harris. I’m not talking about you or me. I’m talking about other people.
Ghostwoods@reddit (OP)
Me too.
drhugs@reddit
Down-votes need to be invented.
dally-taur@reddit
Well man just do it throw first shot but you wont be first nor seond nor 3th forth or 5th to stand up
sopwath@reddit
Is that a monkel wrench?
Ghostwoods@reddit (OP)
Yep.
BigJobsBigJobs@reddit
Remember Edward Abbey, who gave us the word!
The Monkey Wrench Gang - Wikipedia
Bipogram@reddit
Because few people wear clogs these days.
Ghostwoods@reddit (OP)
Hayduke Lives!
Zen_Bonsai@reddit
What's that tool for?
Nodebunny@reddit
Is the last pick saying we need an army of plumbers to rise up?
dkorabell@reddit
I always preferred "If it ain't working - hit it with a hammer. If it breaks - it needed replacing anyway"
Ghostwoods@reddit (OP)
I'd be intimidated, for sure!
Grouchy_Ad_3705@reddit
It is referring to Edward Abbey’s Monkey Wrench Gang.
Nodebunny@reddit
Ah thank you
Bavin_Kekon@reddit
Plumber?
You mean like Mario?
I think he also has a brother who wears green and is a working class hero too.
Nodebunny@reddit
Blue collar needs to rise up something something
____cire4____@reddit
As usual, Geordie is right.
peaceloveandapostacy@reddit
Wobblies of the world unite!
Ghostwoods@reddit (OP)
We need the Wobs back more than ever.
bscott59@reddit
Where can I find good reading material?
Ghostwoods@reddit (OP)
The SSFM is easily downloadable on the 'net.
patungboneka@reddit
Thanks OP, you've shown me in the top right of the pic the worst possible example of corporate "artstyle" that I've ever seen
Ghostwoods@reddit (OP)
It's really something, isn't it!
ASCBLUEYE@reddit
Rude-Aardvark6211@reddit
Voting for the the 2 party system that got us here to the collapse is stupid.
Grand_Dadais@reddit
Very nice, fully agreed ! :]]
Godspeed to you all !
StatementBot@reddit
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Ghostwoods:
A lot of the common answers to political decay are rooted in old-world experience. The USA is very much not the old world, and not all answers work when you scale up territory.
Despotic oppression of the USA will be a major driver of both American and global collapse. No other country is in a position to make a significant difference, and the American political and media systems are entirely captured.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1k7wqjq/american_collapse_problems_need_american_solutions/mp1l2tl/
xenosyzygy@reddit
The ssfm is a treasure. I just re read it the other day
Cease-the-means@reddit
Top engineering deck meme 🛠️