Since the memo was issued, CBS News reports the Trump administration has signed 456 agreements with local police departments, letting them act as immigration officers — turning traffic stops and routine patrols into immigration raids.

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cplforlife@reddit

So many kids will be without fathers and mothers with this ruling.

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TrekRider911@reddit (OP)

I don't care which side of the political isle you land on, this is pretty disturbing.

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OGAberrant@reddit

It is extremely disturbing, and the Conservative Party of a decade ago would have been, rightly, outraged. Unfortunately all that is left in my former party are cult members that care not for reality

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WillBottomForBanana@reddit

"and the Conservative Party of a decade ago would have been, rightly, outraged."

lol, the one that supported all of Bush Jr's nonsense? your first mistake was believing things they said.

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OGAberrant@reddit

You can’t seriously think anything that bush did comes close to what is currently going on. If you do, your bias is really showing

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WillBottomForBanana@reddit

"comes close"

oh? because gitmo and the renditions and the torture happened to *other* people and now it's happening here?

the patriot act, the domestic spying, all of that doesn't matter because it was invisible.

other than some very old people who died, the voters are mostly the same voters. plenty of people in the house and senate are the same people.

you can ret-con all you like. But the Bush years were what made it completely obvious that there was nothing stopping fascism from taking over the country.

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OGAberrant@reddit

It was completely obvious for people that were paying close attention, not those of us that were working our asses off through the period. Additionally, while the information flow was better than the 90’s, the internet really didn’t hit its stride until the teens. But sure, be a precocious ass and ensure anyone that wasn’t as engaged as you are knows how self righteous you are 🙄

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thererises_aredstar@reddit

Luckily labor leftists have always felt the same way about government overreach and a citizens right to arm themselves as traditional conservatives, so you do have brothers in arms out here among us.

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OGAberrant@reddit

I refuse to believe that there are not more people in this country that oppose these vile acts. The problem is getting people to wake up to the danger, because there is a whole lot of people out there that just aren’t paying attention. Maybe continued mass protests of increasing size will get their attention.

Though that is a disaster waiting to happen, it won’t be long and a provocateur will spin up the group think for violence, and then trump will declare the insurrection act

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thefedfox64@reddit

It's not waking it, to me, at least.

The problem isn't people ignoring issues. I can tell you the issue -

Im not losing my fucking job. That's it.

My work does that. Any PR issue I could cause is immediate termination. Regardless of my rights. Fuck at will employment. You want people to stand up. That issue needs to get fixed. We had protests, and my work said anyone could take an unexcused absence to attend (without pay), which counts against you for review. We had emails. Anyone caught on camera as part of any "riotous" event would be terminated. Hell, we had someone arrested for a DUI and couldn't make it into work the next day. Guy wasn't even driving. He was drunk in public, and they case was dismissed. Still fired - since it can reflect poorly on the company.

Im not alone in this, I'd give up some many rights to keep food on the table, a roof over our heads, and my kids in school. You may call me w/e you want, but I got mouths to feed and bills to pay. I don't have the luxury of protesting, of possible voting for the "wrong" person, and my boss finds out. I don't even have the funds to fight speeding tickets. Let dumbasses shoot ICE agents, Im keeping my head down and prepping for shit to get worse. A dead father can't help his family.

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OGAberrant@reddit

Able to share where you work? Sounds like a company many of us would prefer to avoid

While your situation is understandable, you are still on here voicing your opinion that you are too afraid to stand against tyranny and fascism. Why not just keep your head down and stay away from any of these items that may prevent you from feeding those mouths?

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thefedfox64@reddit

I work at a credit union. And it's most places that are like that, I imagine most work environments from corperate down the line all have similar clauses and terminations.

Because this is a prepping sub, not a stand and fight sub. Acting "if only people knew" isn't realistic and part of what led us here in the first place. The finger wagging doesn't do justice to what is happening. People understand, but most people don't have the luxury of doing something because they have what they feel are more important things. Maybe you have a family, and maybe you think it's worth fighting for. Maybe your only form of child care are Trump supporters who, if you say anything liberal won't babysit your kids, and you end up having to pay hundreds of dollars for someone to watch them. All the while, some jagoff is calling you lazy and a coward because you don't do something to stop w/e it is they want stopped. "How can people like you believe so ignorant" helps no one and doesn't actually start a conversation.

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Worth_Appearance3216@reddit

I understand and sympathize with you. But it is also true that a third of voting Americans are totally delusional. Uncle Donny is a career criminal, a compulsive liar, and a supremely self-centered a-hole with a slack jaw, who incited an attack on our own govt, and still at least 35% of American adults think he is some kind of messiah, sent here to deliver them from wokeness. Oh, and he's a big-business magician who can wave a wand and make prices disappear. And above all, he deeply cares about each and every one of us.

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thefedfox64@reddit

Indeed. And if you think about it, it seems about right. Given our population size, let's say 20% are just...swayed by basically a cult leader. That seems about right in my mind.

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OGAberrant@reddit

Not going to have this discussion as I am a retired veteran and will always fight for what is important. Good luck on your prepping and your life

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Tanstaf1@reddit

Removing criminal lawbreakers who shouldn't be here is a vile act? Letting them in was the vile act.

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OGAberrant@reddit

Sending people with no criminal records and no due process to a foreign prison, isn’t vile? Do you not believe in the constitution at all?

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Tanstaf1@reddit

No system is perfect. Miniscule numbers happen and have always happened particularly under Biden and Obama. I am an originalist and fully believe in and have sworn to uphold the constitution and defend it against all enemies foreign and domestic.

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OGAberrant@reddit

So you swore an oath, and are fine with Trump ignoring the constitution? Well aren’t you a pathetic oath breaking traitor. I swore the oath as well, multiple times, 22 years worth of oaths and training, and I would never accept mistakes as an excuse for allowing a dictator to gain power. You are pathetic

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Tanstaf1@reddit

In our system SCOTUS determines what is constitutional. So far in his second term Trump has won 3 cases at SCOTUS and lost 2. Many are still pending but he is expected to prevail. Seems to me he's trying to follow the constitution, not ignore it. You just don't like what he's doing.

Many who swore oaths but blindly followed orders under codes of silence (no see, hear or speak), grifted, or worked for for the good of the Party or its titular leader or to keep their good job at a good wage and its perks and power or were part of the good ole boys deep state network FAFO'd.

You have a strange definition of dictator. Dictators seek to increase government size and power not dissolve or reduce it.

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OGAberrant@reddit

So you are so weak of mind and character that you can’t make informed decisions yourself? Do you not have eyes and ears? Are you not capable of evaluating evidence?

Got it — you want a list of blatant constitutional violations by Trump or his team just since January 2025 (this year).

Here’s the clean summary, strictly from January 2025 to today (April 27, 2025), based on verified, reputable reporting and ongoing legal analysis:

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Trump-Related Constitutional Violations Since January 2025

Violation of the First Amendment — Political Retaliation • Details: Trump allies in government have threatened retaliation against media organizations and journalists critical of Trump, including efforts to revoke licenses or launch investigations. • Constitutional Basis: First Amendment protects free press and prohibits government retaliation for criticism. • Status: Multiple watchdog groups and former DOJ officials have flagged it as clear First Amendment violations.

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Separation of Powers Breach — Ignoring Court Orders • Details: Trump’s team has signaled intentions to ignore or defy judicial rulings they disagree with, especially around immigration enforcement and administrative actions. • Constitutional Basis: Article III gives judicial branch authority; executive branch must comply with lawful court orders. • Status: Legal scholars warn this is setting up a direct constitutional crisis if orders continue being defied.

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Threats to the 14th Amendment — Equal Protection Violations • Details: Proposed policies to deport U.S. citizens born to undocumented immigrants (so-called “anchor babies”) directly violate the 14th Amendment’s citizenship clause. • Constitutional Basis: 14th Amendment guarantees birthright citizenship and equal protection. • Status: Courts haven’t ruled yet because policy is pending, but experts say the proposal is flatly unconstitutional.

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Interference with Independent Agencies — Violation of Appointments Clause • Details: Trump loyalists have been installed into formerly independent agencies (like DOJ, FBI) with minimal or no Senate confirmation. • Constitutional Basis: Article II, Section 2 (Appointments Clause) requires Senate advice and consent for major officers. • Status: Ongoing investigations and lawsuits, including congressional probes.

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Quick Summary

Violation Constitutional Basis Status Media Retaliation First Amendment Ongoing Ignoring Court Orders Article III Brewing constitutional crisis Citizenship Deportations 14th Amendment Proposed; unconstitutional if enacted Stacking Agencies Appointments Clause (Article II) Under investigation

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Important Note: Other abuses are threatened or planned but haven’t been fully executed yet (e.g., mass military deployments domestically, political loyalty oaths for civil servants). If those happen, they’ll trigger even more constitutional violations.

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Would you also like a rapid list if you want to post/share this cleanly? (Would only take a minute to do.)

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Tanstaf1@reddit

Your "verified, reputable reporting and ongoing legal analysis" doesn't mean crap. It's what SCOTUS has finally decided that counts.

Here are the final wins and losses for 2025 to date: I agree on the USAID one as its for money for work already done (but that shouldn't have been done).

But ya, I'll take your rapid list if ya got it.

Wins

Case Name	Matter	Outcome
Supreme Court order on Alien Enemies Act deportations	Whether the administration could use the Alien Enemies Act to deport suspected Venezuelan gang members en masse	The Supreme Court allowed the administration to proceed with deportations, requiring only that individuals be notified and given a chance to contest removal (5-4 decision)
Supreme Court order on federal worker firings	Whether the administration had to comply with a lower-court order to rehire thousands of fired federal workers	The Supreme Court blocked the reinstatement order, siding with the administration and allowing the firings to stand for now
Supreme Court order on teacher funding freeze	Whether the administration could freeze funding for teachers while litigation continued	The Supreme Court allowed the administration to proceed with the funding freeze

Losses

Case Name	Matter	Outcome
Dellinger v. Bessent	Trump’s firing of Hampton Dellinger, head of a government oversight office	The Supreme Court declined to immediately intervene, leaving a lower court’s ruling in place that temporarily reinstated Dellinger-a setback for the administration
USAID Funding Case	Trump’s freeze and attempted dismantling of USAID and withholding of appropriated funds	The Supreme Court upheld a lower court order requiring the administration to pay out nearly $2 billion for completed foreign aid work, rejecting Trump’s attempt to withhold the funds

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OGAberrant@reddit

You just love soaking up those cult talking points huh. What a pathetic oath breaker you are. By your logic, you would follow an illegal order because you are so weak minded you would require SCOTUS to hold your little hand on what is right and wrong.

You’re missing a key point. Whether or not the Supreme Court rules immediately — or even at all — doesn’t change whether a constitutional violation happened. The Court resolves disputes and enforces consequences, but it doesn’t wave a magic wand and retroactively erase abuses just because a final opinion hasn’t dropped yet. History is packed with clear constitutional violations that either took years to sort out or were obvious to anyone paying attention.

Now, about the cases you threw out:

On the Alien Enemies Act deportations, the Supreme Court allowed it, but with conditions. The administration has to give individuals notice and a real chance to contest it. That’s not blanket approval — that’s guardrails. If they screw up even a little on due process, it’s challengeable again.

On the federal worker firings and the teacher funding freeze, you’re overstating it. Those are temporary procedural wins while litigation plays out. The Court didn’t rule the firings were constitutional. They just blocked lower-court orders from taking immediate effect while the cases move forward. It’s a “hold on, let’s not make moves yet” call, not a green light.

On the losses? Yeah, they’re real. Dellinger v. Bessent already has a lower court calling out improper firing practices, and SCOTUS declined to bail Trump out. And the USAID case is flat-out constitutional violation territory — you can’t freeze and withhold congressionally appropriated funds just because you feel like it. That’s a direct hit on the Appropriations Clause.

Bottom line: procedural stalls aren’t constitutional victories. And pretending they are just because you’re desperate for a clean scoreboard doesn’t change the facts. Trump’s administration has already clocked two real constitutional violations this year, and the list is still growing

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Tanstaf1@reddit

Just so I will know please advise exactly which cult's taking points I am soaking up. Do you mean the 70 million member MAGA, MAHA, America First cult that voted for Trump?

What oaths have I broken and by what logic? Your words are just words without substance

I have never followed an illegal order and never will.

I disagree with some SCOTUS verdicts but as a law-abiding citizen follow them without them needing to hold my little hand and work to change them as was down with the Trump first term SCOTUS nominees.

Under our system you are innocent until proven guilty not because YOU wave a magic wand and say someone is guilty of violating the constitution. Just who the ef do you think YOU are?

You clearly are unable to understand the SCOTUS decisions to date but when the others are made maybe you'll get a clue

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OGAberrant@reddit

Not 70 million, just the 33% that are regurgitating talking points instead of looking at the facts of the big picture. The Supreme Court said they are all to have due process and to facilitate the return of Garcia. You are ignoring his attacks on free speech I don’t know if that is willful ignorance, or just abject mental dysfunction, but you have you head stuck in the sand.

Or is it stuck up your cult leaders ass. Yes, you are an oath breaking traitor. You are providing support, which is aid and comfort, to a man that is aiding Russia and destroying our country. You don’t get that right now, but I bet you figure it out by the end of summer as things get really shitty. Just remember, you wanted this pain

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Tanstaf1@reddit

I confess I still don't know which cult I'm a member of, but no matter. How am I doing? Am I missing or messing up any of their talking points?

Thankfully Garcia is not coming back. Get over it.

Thanks to Trump (and Elon for buying Twitter) a lot of us now have very expanded free speech. Previously "my cult's" speech was severely censored or attacked as hate speech. I am unclear why you think Trump is attacking free speech. Yes, thankfully true hate speech is being attacked.

Simply repeating that I am an oath breaker without specifics is non-productive.

Unless there's a complete Russian victory (which seems almost certain), every peace deal involves each party getting some things or losing some things so in a sense, eyes, Russia is being aided to keep what it won on the battlefield. What our country gets is not getting obliterated in a nuclear war and having to continue to spend money and materials that we critically need to defend ourselves and to repel China taking over Taiwan and to keep us from going bankrupt.

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OGAberrant@reddit

Deny it all you like, but you are so far into the maga cult, you can’t see daylight. You know that meme of the cartoon dude sitting at the desk, coffee in hand, fire all over the place, and, “This is fine”. That is all of you maga cultists. No worries though, if you have even half a brain, you are going to realize how bad you screwed up 🤷‍♂️

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Tanstaf1@reddit

Deny it? I love it! THANK YOU !!! I am trying to be a good little Trumpster and to be rewarded in heaven for saving America and making it great again.

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OGAberrant@reddit

Outstanding! I’m so happy you found your purpose in life. Going to really show your allegiance and get a MAGA tattoo? The rest of us would really appreciate it if you wore that as a badge of honor, after this all blows up in all of our faces

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DancingWithAWhiteHat@reddit

He can't maintain it.

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thererises_aredstar@reddit

That’s exactly my anxiety, I do think we’ll get there sooner than most people anticipate. I share all your sentiments here. I have some hope in sharing our perspectives with others, working on community organization local to us, teaching and learning what’s useful and skill-sharing with people we trust in the lead up.

Most are vastly underestimating the trouble we’re in. I hope escalating protests and the reality of the supply chain suffering massive interruptions start to get people angry enough to wake up, and fearful enough to actually conceptualize what happens when due process is thrown away entirely and extrajudicial killings and disappearances to foreign prisons take its place. I hope we’ve got enough people that are fast enough learners to adapt and rise.

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OGAberrant@reddit

I agree with that, the danger is very real, has historical precedence, and is unfortunately multi layered. The threat won’t be gone when Trump is, Vance and the Heritage foundation are the villain under the mask of pumpkin head. The theocrats are behind a lot of this, accidentally if nothing else. They have worked to set the stage for this, trump just tripped the trap accidentally and early, and they weren’t ready to follow through. Now they are

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thererises_aredstar@reddit

Absolutely agree with all of this. I’d add Peter Thiel and the tech overlord/MIC interests getting pulled in alignment with the theocrats, and the Yarvinites that are worshipfully obsessed with that ideological marriage. I found the sub r/YarvinConspiracy here a while back and it’s helped me make some more sense of what had seemed like disparate actions from unaligned movements, I learn new things there all the time.

We have a lot to deal with here, a cliff we’re nearing plus many decades of work ahead if we can survive the fall. But despite the mounting fear and occasional despair, I will say I do still feel lucky every day to have good company defending rights and freedoms in this country. 🤝

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OGAberrant@reddit

There are definitely multiple groups with their fingers in the turd pie, but Heritage and the entire evangelical cult are the long term threat.

I actually had a discussion with Chat the other night on the big picture of all of this. Was nice to get a little affirmation as not many are thinking strategically on this bizarre bit of chaos

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thererises_aredstar@reddit

Oh that sounds helpful and interesting, if you have the time maybe consider posting with some excerpts you found useful or insights you gleaned? That strategic thinking will definitely be necessary to promote in these communities - as you pointed out, the Heritage/evangelical wing has played an exceptionally long game on this with staggering results.

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OGAberrant@reddit

Their success, and Russia’s. The two of them are a perfect storm of manipulation and disinformation. We may have won a substantial battle for the Cold War, but Russia has knocked us on our kiester with intelligence and strategy. Massive return on investment.

I found the conversation pretty interesting, so not against sharing. The question is, where to post it?

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thererises_aredstar@reddit

Very very true. And I’d say maybe here, maybe r/ThielWatch, cross post to r/YarvinConspiracy as many of the same threads are followed there, maybe one of the ICE watch oriented subs? r/ICEwatch or r/eyesonICE ? I know there are a few anti Heritage and anti Russian disinformation subs as well though I have to look up their names.

I’ll think it over and come back with any more ideas that pop up. I’ll follow your profile in the meantime in hopes of a post if thats alright.

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OGAberrant@reddit

Let me know, will poke around in the not too distant future

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thererises_aredstar@reddit

Adding any other possibilities I think of here, I will be editing a few times as they come to mind:

r/ICE_Raids

r/MAGANazi

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Careful-Education-25@reddit

The reason social revolution is cyclical is people keep targeting the figureheads of the snake and not the actual head of the snake. Even when the real heads are known and out in the open, the figurehead is still targeted.

People bizarrely continue to blame the politicians, not the think tanks, and lobbyists which fund them, gaining access to the strings.

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OGAberrant@reddit

Amazing how easily a large chunk of the population is influenced by lies and propaganda. Have to remember that the average IQ is 100

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cooperk13@reddit

I honestly thought it was much lower than that

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OGAberrant@reddit

Well that is the center of the bell curve, a lot of people below lol

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Tanstaf1@reddit

Deporting criminal lawbreakers is overreach?

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OxytocinOD@reddit

☭✊🏼☭ Workers of the world, unite! We have nothing to lose but our chains, and a world to gain.

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thererises_aredstar@reddit

Amen brother ✊

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GlizzyGobbler2023@reddit

If you go to /r/conservative, this isn’t even being talked about. The mods are probably deleting threads and banning people who post about it.

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OGAberrant@reddit

Not surprising, they banned me years ago for speaking against dear leader. Absolutely pathetic cult clowns

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Jagcan@reddit

Conservatives have never been based in reality lmao. Glad you woke up though!

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OGAberrant@reddit

Are you old enough to remember the amount of information flow prior to the internet? Yes, we get it, the Republicans had their issues, but if you want to build a coalition that goes further than the end of this threat, that purity test language isn’t helpful

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thererises_aredstar@reddit

I would love to counter those snarky comments like the one above yours by laying out the long history of imperialistic violence and advocation for the police state that neoliberalism promoted arm and arm with neoconservativism, but a Reddit comment isn’t enough space.

There’s been slow moving realignments on both sides of the two-party aisle we’re stuck on in this country. I hope we can all here affirm our shared humanity and autonomy, and focus on liberating our country from the fascism thats rapidly encroaching on all of our lives.

And then I hope we can remember the lessons that were learned about our need to arm ourselves and limit government power while preserving democratic regulatory authority so we don’t have another oligarchic rise that decimates our labor power, guaranteed freedoms and autonomies, and way of life.

Solidarity to all here who are in this to protect our families, neighbors, and country. ✊

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OGAberrant@reddit

I have enough to be concerned and focused on currently, I don’t need to add historical facts, because they are irrelevant when dealing with fascism in the present. You may have enough bandwidth and disdain to invest in that line of thinking, I do not.

What value is there in pointing out the history of parties, when we all know they ebb and flow. You are likely assuming everyone was informed in the 80’s and 90’s, but we weren’t. We were the last generation to grow up in blissful ignorance of much of the world’s chaos. That is not good Noelle bad, it is just change, which is one of the few true constants in life

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Jagcan@reddit

Lot of words to say "im willfully ignorant"

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thererises_aredstar@reddit

I’m actually agreeing with you and attempting to say the commenter above you was needlessly divisive when there’s often as much chance of agreeing with those in our old parties as much as there is agreeing with those that would have been across the old aisle.

Duopoly and oligarchy have created many senseless divisions between people that fundamentally the same values, and this is a prime time to shift our focus to those commonalities.

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OGAberrant@reddit

Sorry about that, trump era 🤷‍♂️. Very much agreed. We can worry about the finer points of things once we stop the sucking chest wound

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thererises_aredstar@reddit

Haha no worries, just the nature of the text-based trump era internet interaction 😂 Agree, let’s shove some gauze in and slap a sealer surface on there and see where we’re at. All my best brother.

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Jagcan@reddit

Which party brought forth the patriot act? Stop preaching both sides when one are literal nazis.

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Ok-Summer-7634@reddit

And to think that Republicans were so concerned about Obama coming for their guns.... Here we are: Trump is your guy!!

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Accurate-Mess-2592@reddit

They will 110% come for your guns next. That will mean full compliance without any means to resist. Mark this post it's next in line... All the dumbass 2A Republicans likely will sip the Kool aid and hand em over, just like all their rights they are giving up today

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Tanstaf1@reddit

ICE is coming for criminal lawbreakers who shouldn't be here, not guns.

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Worth_Appearance3216@reddit

They have already come for your rights. That's the point of this post.

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Definitelymostlikely@reddit

It’s because every accusation is a confession.

https://youtu.be/QmmuxgeKWFo?si=9MimzT5c00XGcLxJ

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DNthecorner@reddit

It SHOULD make anyone who learned the constitution incredibly furious.

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DerisiveGibe@reddit

"If you don't have anything to hide, you have nothing to fear" - Maga Chuds

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outworlder@reddit

Yeah. They forget that it's not you who decides if you have something to hide. It's the government that does.

For example, fact that you are a Jew shouldn't be something you need to hide. But if you are a Jew circa 1933, things change. A few years before that, it would be fine.

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eliismyrealname@reddit

Yeah, my grandparents still taught me to hide my Jewish ancestry and pretend to be Lutheran Christian specifically. She knew I looked Jewish and was trying to protect me from Nazi punks/skinheads in Portland, Oregon. I love her for that because it’s actually relevant, still.

My in laws are racist and have guessed my race so many times it’s offensive. If she hadn’t have taught me to hide my race, who knows how much worse my in laws would treat me. It takes all my strength not to just flat out tell them my race and call them racist. It’s funny because they’ve never asked if I’m Jewish. They thought I was African-American first, then Asian-American, next Native American, now they’re back to Asian-American but they think I’m specifically Korean now. It’s fucking horrible.

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SexyPeanut_9279@reddit

Why would you marry someone with such horrible parents? (Especially since it seems like your husband refuses to go “no-contact” with said parents despite how they treat you!?)

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Tanstaf1@reddit

Actually it's the the duly passed laws that decide. Want an open border, seek legislation for it.

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outworlder@reddit

It's not only the laws that decide. You just need to be branded as an undesirable and society will do the rest. "Communist" is still a popular option. Lately, being accused (without proof) of belonging to specific gangs is enough. And that's for supposedly democratic governments, authoritarian ones (or governments that become authoritarian) have even more options, including disregarding laws.

Who mentioned anything about "open borders"?

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Tanstaf1@reddit

Just who has been accused of being a gang member without proof? There was proof they were here illegally and for that they were deported. No need for proof of membership.

I suggested you should seek a law that opens our borders if you want murderers, rapists, sex trackers, purse thieves, etc. to be able to come here and stay.

As for disregarding the laws enforced by a government you think to be authoritarian, I do hope you FAFO.

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outworlder@reddit

Please read it again. I didn't say WE need to disregard laws, I certainly don't. I said that authoritarian governments will do that, in order to target people they don't like. We are starting to see that, even going against Supreme Court decisions now.

"Proof" of gang membership is needed(for now) in order to invoke the Alien Enemies Act, which is what they are using to deny due process and send people to overseas prisons.

Once again, nobody is talking about "open borders" except you. The United States has not had any policies that could be even remotely described as "open borders" in over a century. Your insistence on this talking point tells me that you have been consuming too much propaganda from a certain political spectrum. Try to broaden your horizons a little, you'll see that reality is very different from what they are telling you.

Nobody wants violent criminals in the US. If that's such an important issue to you, you should be the first one complaining. Over 75% of those deported to El Salvador has no criminal history whatsoever. Only around 5% had violent crime history. If you want to get rid of criminals, you could write to your representatives and ask them to focus on that.

I've said all I need to say in this thread so I won't extend this discussion. I just ask that you try to look at these issues with a critical viewpoint, instead of letting others inspire fear and hate.

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gofunkyourself69@reddit

MAGA have no brains to hide, so they fear nothing.

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PrairieFire_withwind@reddit

So how do i know it isn't a criminal with some ICE patches on their jacket?

I mean, impersonating a cop isn't a new thing for criminals to do.

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thererises_aredstar@reddit

A comment I wrote yesterday listing a handful of the cases in which people have been caught doing this since January.

It’s not an exhaustive list, and it makes you wonder how many criminals have pulled off kidnappings and disappearances under this regime of terror that haven’t been caught.

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PrairieFire_withwind@reddit

That is chilling! Omg am i not comfortable now. Yuck.

But also, thanks for sharing. More people need to be on alert and wary.

Stay safe out there!

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Objective-Chance-792@reddit

It gets worse, apparently impersonating a federal officer is only a misdemeanor. Fucking Fresno.

https://abc30.com/amp/post/2-men-arrested-allegedly-impersonating-ice-officers-harassing-shoppers-fresno/15960526/

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thererises_aredstar@reddit

Wow didnt know that. 😳 so they’ll get a slap on the wrist and be back out doing it again most of the time.

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DerisiveGibe@reddit

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DrRavioliMD@reddit

I was going to comment this but a gif is way better

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Trytun015@reddit

Literally what they’d say 100%

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ChrisP413@reddit

I hope (but it probably won't) that the MAGA chuds are some of the first people that get hit by this bullshit.

I also know that at some point ICE is going to pull this on a residence with gun owners and someone is going to get shot.

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Born-Entrepreneur@reddit

As always, I've nothing to hide, but everything to protect. Namely, my Constitutional Rights.

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GeriatricusMaximus@reddit

The same was said when the Patriot Act was passed into law by conservative.

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Annonopotomus@reddit

It was thoroughly bi-partisan

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GeriatricusMaximus@reddit

Yes, a damn shame. Still, those who protested weren’t conservatives and were told the same exact thing.

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ThePlatypusOfDespair@reddit

And the country is currently...anyone? Anyone? Doomed, correct.

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caribbean_caramel@reddit

They are unironically saying this, this country is doomed.

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kangaroos-on-pcp@reddit

shit I've been hearing people unironically say this for years. usually it's just a few of the dumber ones echoing their friends who planned ahead and destroyed evidence or something

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Competitive_Bug5416@reddit

They’d feel differently if someone reported them for possibly harboring a migrant. I assume there will be a website similar to the report a DEI educator that they created. Yikes.

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lavapig_love@reddit

"I have a big shotgun I'm not hiding, they have nothing to fear" --me.

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Av8tr1@reddit

Its been in the Constitution since it was originally written. This isn't new. Probably Cause is literally written in the original text.

Maybe read the 4th amendment. its not very long. The important part is literally at the beginning and is a single sentence.

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Tanstaf1@reddit

I am furious that Americans would shelter criminal lawbreakers and aid and abet them and obstruct justice. What's your solution to deport them?

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Grundens@reddit

huh? my tshirt only taught me the first 3 words

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NewFraige@reddit

Although I agree, the right won’t care because “it doesn’t affect me.”

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Tanstaf1@reddit

Why should I care if a criminal who broke the law is removed? Don't like the law try to change it.

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NewFraige@reddit

Don’t be an idiot, it’s not about a criminals. Of course criminals should be arrested, given due process, and punished. However, this is about OUR rights, more specifically, the fourth amendment. ICE or any gov agency being able to enter your home without a warrant is a direct violation of OUR fourth amendment. If you give an inch, they’ll take a mile. Next it’ll be the ATF entering your home looking for guns. Pam Bondi literally stated she wants to take the guns first, then due process later. You’re going to let them violate OUR rights in the name of finding a criminal? Please try to think and see the bigger picture given their lack of respect for due process. Our Founding Fathers fought the American Revolution over unlawful searches and lack of due process. So… Would you have been a Patriot or a Loyalist?

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Tanstaf1@reddit

If what you say was happening under Trump or Bondi was happening I would be actively opposed. It's not. It happened under Biden and would have under Harris. On taking guns, it was Trump not Bondi that said take guns first then due process You simply do not know what you're talking about. ANYWAY that was under an active shooter situation (Las Vegas). You want to let an active shooter keep his weapons until some judge can oversee due process? Please specify the details of when ICE has performed unconstitutional home invasions. Never happened or it would be big news. Your saying it doesn't mean it happened even as with most lefties if you say it 1,000 times.

My heroes are Sam Adams and Joseph Warren. Who are yours?

Read the Declaration of Independence. We did not revolt until we tried many peaceful means (as outlined in it).

We now have peaceful means to change laws and did so, thus the 4th amendment. if you want people who violated the law and came here, or overstayed here, or violated the visa terms (and thus are criminals) and want to harbor such criminals in your house, go get the law changed so you can do that.

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NewFraige@reddit

Skip to 1:11 Trump was repeating/rephrasing what she said.

It’s always Biden’s fault, everything is evil Kamala’s fault.

You’re comparing an active crime scene to a suspicion. ICE is being given permission to enter based on suspicion, not a warrant or active crime scene. How can you not differentiate the two?

When did I call for violence? I’m telling you why we fought the Revolution and why we should lawfully oppose this. This is why we have the Constitution and why I’m citing it.

You completely missed the point of what I am saying and equating protecting our rights to harboring criminals. You seriously lack reading comprehension.

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Tanstaf1@reddit

Thanks for the link. The media mislead me to think it was Trump. I think there is a difference in not returning guns taken after a gun violence event that results in a civil commitment per the findings of a hearing before a judge (presumably with representation) versus other takings or refusals to issue purchase or carry permits without similar due process which has been the practice in the past but I'd have to see the details which are still being worked out (for FL).

I have reservations that the 1798 Alien Sedition Act could become a slippery slope. but it is the law and we have been invaded. I have not heard reliable info that ICE has had unfounded suspicions. In hindsight quickly whisking them out of country was a wise move otherwise some wacky judge would have let them back loose in our country or we'd be paying big bucks to lock them up for ever. They can get their due process down in el Salvador or Venezuela or wherever. But perhaps we may need a FISA system.

I was not inferring you proposed violence, but rather the US Revolutionary patriots took up arms when peaceful means failed. Actually they did so to prevent armed seizures of leaders, arms and ammunition.

I did miss your point about protecting our right versus harboring criminals but this was due to your poor presentation rather than my inability to comprehend.

Finally you were also wrong. It was John Adams, not Sam that defended the Brits after the Massacre. But John did finally come around and become a patriot.

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Zealousideal-Plum823@reddit

That's where it typically starts with an Authoritarian regime. It typically goes in this order (historically speaking over the past two centuries worldwide) to deport, imprison, and disappear.

Morally marginalized
Undocumented immigrants who committed criminal acts
Undocumented immigrants who speak out against the government's positions
Documented immigrants who speak out against the government's positions <= This is where we are ...
Undocumented immigrants (unless they are super critical to national defense)
Citizens who've committed some horrible crime (Conversation between the U.S. president and Ecuador's president have already occurred with the professed desire by the U.S. to build another three super-max prisons in Ecuador.)
Citizens who have stood in the way of the government's desires ("enemies of the administration") .. this includes lower level judges and political opponents that don't have a strong safety net of supporters.
Citizens who speak out against the government's positions
Anyone who the administration doesn't like. Although a few notable exceptions will be made so that the illusion of dissent and opposition can be preserved. (Putin did this with his political opponent until recently)

Then we have to wait about 3-10 decades for the "loyalty over competence" crowd to do themselves in. Then there's some messy and horrible revolution that may restore democracy. This pattern has been documented by the Greeks over 3000 years ago and humans still fall victim to demagogues. Polybius was one Greek who spelled this "cycle" out in detail. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polybius

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Tanstaf1@reddit

Re: 1 thru 6, if they broke the law why would you not want them locked up? RE: 7 - 9, these will never happen under Trump, but did so under Biden and Obama.

As to your other suspicions, the rest of the story is needed.

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Puzzled_Gear5983@reddit

the one major difference is we can all complain about it together, which shows how united and opposed most people who find their way to reddit are.

a powerless cry for help. or a way to put a target on your back in step 8 and 9 of those steps listed.

man what a time to be alive. and we are no where near where it gets bad. not yet anyways.

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Floomby@reddit

Yeah, we're already at steps 7 and 8 on this list.

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confused_boner@reddit

I am sure they will proceed with the utmost caution to avoid violating anyone's rights

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Tanstaf1@reddit

And so far they have. and thankfully few have been physically injured

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carlitospig@reddit

You dropped this: /s

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Voidless-One@reddit

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fuddykrueger@reddit

(sorry!) *aisle

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Good_Log_5108@reddit

The article didn’t cite one credible source…going to file this under ‘fake news’.

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Definitelymostlikely@reddit

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25915967-doj-march-14-memo-alien-enemies-act/

And this is how they win. People too lazy to educate themselves.

With literally a few movements of ones thumbs they can find out. But you instead choose to remain ignorant

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Good_Log_5108@reddit

Did you read the document?

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polchickenpotpie@reddit

All those "Don't tread on me" people are really silent right now.

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Balgat1968@reddit

DoJ memo supersedes Constitution. National News Media: Hmmm? How about that? In other news, a video of a dog riding a skateboard has gone viral.

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Alone-Coast-9871@reddit

Gona visit my Canadian grandfathers grave and ask advice on how to stop Nazi's.

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GentleWhiteGiant@reddit

German here. I just can’t believe that. We called it GeStaPo in the darkest time of our history.

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dsinferno87@reddit

Conservatives are fascists, wake up

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TheWorkLifeBalance@reddit

Oh it’s only disturbing to one side, I assure you.

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AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit

Is the mission the 100 mile rule that's been around for like 4 decades?

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AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit

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revnobody@reddit

My state law says that anyone that enters my home without a search warrant can be stopped by lethal means. 🤷‍♂️

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mr_electric_wizard@reddit

Right!? I live in Texas and that ain’t gonna work.

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Hrtpplhrtppl@reddit

ICE agent: Get these dogs off of me before they kill me!!!

Me: Show them your badge...

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FreshSky17@reddit

Even California lets people do that

Hell California lets people open carry swords in public. Just because we have dumb gun laws doesn't mean our self defense laws suck

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Alert_Green_3646@reddit

You can open carry swords in Mn too "blade of any length may be carried concealed or open as long as you aren't threatening people with it"

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FreshSky17@reddit

California doesn't allow concealed, it can be sheathed but not concealed under a trench coat.

Nor can it be disguised. So like no umbrella or cane swords

But if you wanna walk around downtown San Francisco with a 5 foot sword go for it

I mean police are gonna show up. But nothing will happen other than them telling you they are going to keep getting called over and over until you knock it off

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tigerdogbearcat@reddit

Many cities in CA have retired cops that volunteer as reserve officers. I had a friend who was doing a cosplay photoshoot with fake weapons in a park and after the cops got called they had the reserve officer come and just hang out by him until he finished and left so the families by the playground would feel safe wouldn't keep calling them.

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FreshSky17@reddit

Ok

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Alert_Green_3646@reddit

I was referring to MNs law on it but go ahead and have your little spaz out

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VideoAffectionate417@reddit

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Alert_Green_3646@reddit

takes one to know one i reckon

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Notbob1234@reddit

You recon wrong.

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Alert_Green_3646@reddit

Don't believe I do

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VideoAffectionate417@reddit

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FreshSky17@reddit

I was literally responding to you crazy

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Atomsq@reddit

You guys have duty to retreat though

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FreshSky17@reddit

No we don't lol

Why are you lying?

We are both a castle doctrine state and a stand your ground state

Why are you lying?

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Atomsq@reddit

You're right, seems that there was a big shift in 2014

My bad

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FreshSky17@reddit

What?

California has never had a duty to retreat.

What the fuck are you even talking about

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outworlder@reddit

Probably parroting something they heard on some faux news network.

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FreshSky17@reddit

California lets you defend your home with fucking Uzis if you want to lol

I mean yeah you are gonna get popped for the illegal weapon. But the self defense part will be open and shut.

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Boson_Higgs_Boson@reddit

But only on your waist not on your back. We have stupid laws for everything.

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agent_flounder@reddit

Interesting. My state says anyone entering my home that I believe is there to commit a crime can be stopped by lethal force.

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SilentEnvironment465@reddit

What do think would happen to you if you invoked that right?

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PopeMargaretReagan@reddit

Man that’s the slippery slope right there. Don’t resist, don’t you know what will happen.

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1_ticket_off_planet@reddit

That's why I'll spill my blood in this soil before I ever let any government hands ship me somewhere else. Too many historical lessons to learn from.

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Missing-Zealot@reddit

Don't resist and be put in a concentration camp?

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PopeMargaretReagan@reddit

Maybe - that’s my point

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The-GreyBusch@reddit

Be painted by the government as a cop killer and be sent to El Salvador

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MisterRenewable@reddit

Or be seen as the next Luigi. The spark that lit a thousand fires.

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1_ticket_off_planet@reddit

Not to be too much of an ass... but where do you see fires burning due to his actions? To quote 'the dark knight'.... "ammunition and gasoline are cheap"... doesn't seem people are buying more...

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WWI_Buff1418@reddit

They’re not going to let you survive the encounter what are you talking about

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VocesProhibere@reddit

Exactly if they have decided to do a no knock warrant against you and you have a firearm they will shoot to kill idk if dropping it would be an option they could just draw and fire. Seems like owning a firearm for home defense is illegal if you hear your door get kicked in and load your weapon and are not told to drop it first before escalating force to death on sight.

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1_ticket_off_planet@reddit

There are 6 levels to the escalation of force pyramid. 'Them' breaking down my door is the 6th.

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wanderingpeddlar@reddit

Dude in Florida, he opened the door with a handgun in his hand pointed at the floor and the cop just murked the dude right there nothing was said. Cop knocked on the door and dude answered and boom cop killed him. There was no way the cop could have through he was being threatened.

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Excellent-Hat5142@reddit

The types who volunteer for ICE seem like the type who are itching for a gun battle.

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eschmi@reddit

Nah, they wont even show their faces... guarantee they'd scatter like the roaches they are the first indication someone is going to fight back with equal force. Its like the school bully... talk tough, until they get socked in the face by someone who's done taking shit and they go cry to their parents/school about it.

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WalkingInsulin@reddit

Except the parent/school in this scenario is the US President and after school detention is El Salvador

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Lock_Down_Charlie@reddit

They better call a doublewide meat wagon.

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WWI_Buff1418@reddit

Yeah that’s kind of the impression I get of them too

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Sillygoat2@reddit

Cops is a generous term. These are deputized J6ers.

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overkill@reddit

Brownshirts.

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WalkingInsulin@reddit

I always thought the pseudo intellectual conservatives (i.e. Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro) were the Brownshirts. Because nowadays they’re being labeled as woke

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Makesmeluvmydog@reddit

Keep your Ring cameras on...

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damonster90@reddit

They can actually block those Ring cameras apparently.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/04/trump-administration-authoritarianism-fear-deportations-threats.html

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TheBananaIsALie666@reddit

Reolink is a good product. Local storage. Open standards for streaming to your own remote storage. You own your footage and control who has access to it not Amazon. It's more expensive to get a system up and running but you're not tired in to a subscription cost and you're not paying for a cheaper product with your data.

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Thotty_with_the_tism@reddit

Ring is owned by Amazon. They've been giving footage to cops without a warrant from day one.

They'll magically lose it when it defends you. 100%.

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Durakan@reddit

Yeah, and Uncle Jeff will delete any records they ask him to.

I'd get rid of my Ring doorbells, but the ones that plug into the rest of my on-site self managed security camera system are at least $350 a pop. But the other cameras cover the doors, so I'm aight.

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Thotty_with_the_tism@reddit

Or get rid of it. Amazon hands over footage to police without a warrant all the time.

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Alternative-Cod4229@reddit

Please dont use Ring. They are known to give footage to LEO without warrants. Several articles over the past several years are out there on this.

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ilovelamp123456789@reddit

Weren’t those pardoned?

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Goetta_Superstar10@reddit

What do you think would happen? To take it a step further, what do you think would happen if that right got invoked often enough to cross over into “consistent” territory?

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SilentEnvironment465@reddit

I'll endulge you out of respect.

Say these guys kick your door in at 3pm, sunny day... normal neighborhood.

You jump for your sidearm or another weapon you have in place because you have already spent countless hours watching right wing nonsense and feel like at any moment someone (could be antifa or some gay guy or som immigrants or whatever) is gunna come into your home and attack you.

So now you got your weapon, you don't know who these people are, they are kicking your door in but plain clothes.. no warning. No warrant. You have been taught through your algorithms for this exact moment. Everything is on the line. So you act as you should and stand your ground.

But you had no chance... because you stood your ground against plain clothes federal agents and now you - with 2 kids and a mortgage working paycheck to paycheck - have tk get your family to somehow afford a bunch of insanity expensive lawyers to somehow even have an attempt of getting you noticed to get some kind of a trial. Most likely you just get lost in the shadows, blow all your family's savings... still get sent away and nobody even gets to know what happened to you. No due process, no rights.

That's what would happen.

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1_ticket_off_planet@reddit

To invert an old cliche... I'd rather be carried by six than judged by 12. 12 who? Incompetent morons? Greeeeat. I will die on my feet before I live on my knees. I don't need them to respect the constitution. I know what it says. I know what my state law says. And I don't care who mangles the interpretation. Fuck them. Fuck them with every round I can fire. Signed - a father of 2.

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Dangerous-School2958@reddit

No, probably dead. So it doesn’t matter. Perhaps wounded or killed one doing the raid. That happens enough and they’ll escalate or find a different way

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SilentEnvironment465@reddit

True. You would prob6be dead.

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TheBetawave@reddit

The same thing that was going to happen anyway, just this time I took a few with me.

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1_ticket_off_planet@reddit

Bingo.

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Windexx22@reddit

Honestly if unidentified people are entering your home and willing to resist/overcome force, you are already in a ratfuck and you weren't going to walk away anyway.

These raids are to instill fear, disrupt communities, and remove people that are undesirable.

They aren't coming in to ask who your landscaper is.

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1_ticket_off_planet@reddit

There are 4 boxes of liberty. The soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box. All we have left, it seems, is the fourth. The midterms will certainly be instructive.

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honest_flowerplower@reddit

Seriously, what point are people trying to make when saying this? "Push back against tyranny only ends in your demise."? Let's ask George Washington...

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MisterRenewable@reddit

This is how bots work. Posts to muddy the waters, and reduce engagement, it subtle hints of fear to keep you from speaking out it protesting, and it all works!

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TalentedTongue21@reddit

I’ll tell you what would happen: a bunch of people would leave the property in body bags. Yes I’ll be one of them, but I guarantee you, I’m gonna take at least a couple of them with me. As the descendent of a holocaust survivor I will feel that my life was sold at a good price. NEVER AGAIN !

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1_ticket_off_planet@reddit

Definitely won't end up in El Salvador...

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SolutionOriented33@reddit

User name checks out.

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Haunting_recluse777@reddit

I doubt anyone who would do this cares, frankly.

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Haunting_recluse777@reddit

To be fair, punishment for exercising your Constitutional rights isn't going to make a shot person not shot.

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agent_flounder@reddit

I hope I never find out under any circumstances.

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Substantial_Milk4789@reddit

What Canadian tv show is this quote from

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Grand_Recipe_9072@reddit

I GOTTA ROCK!!!

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MandozaIII@reddit

Could this be a precedent for either tighter gun laws or even martial law as the new gestapo officers will face serious backlash...?

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ChuckVader@reddit

Well it's either that or deportation. Without due process. Really what's the downside of going down swinging? Hope ICE officers have shit health benefits and get nothing but fuck off letters from their insurance after people fight for their lives.

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Flux_State@reddit

"When they kick at your front door, how ya gonna come? With your hands on your head or on the trigger of your gun?"

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DrRavioliMD@reddit

Well it would end up workers comp claims.

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Bojangles315@reddit

which are paid by the employer.

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saltyoursalad@reddit

Which is paid for by taxpayers.

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The-Page-Turner@reddit

They're paid by the insurers of the employer. If there are enough workers comp claims though, the insurer will drop the employer, and then legally they'd have to cover the cost of workers comp

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feudalle@reddit

The messed-up thing is. Say I get dropped by my policy. I can't find anyone to sell me workers comp. Most states have one you just pay into. It's designed to be competitive on price but it's only about 10% more expensive that private. So, at the end of the day, you and I are basically being paying yo have ice agents raid people's homes. But I guess their pay comes from taxes already. Same shit different day.....

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Horror_Response_1991@reddit

You can but they’ll still kill you. So we do need to stop them from doing it in the first place.

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Tanstaf1@reddit

Do you give the criminal lawbreakers you're harboring guns too?

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Bozhark@reddit

Just keep the “I can do what I want “ paper on hand

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xtrasmoothbrain@reddit

Live by the gun, you know

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great--pretender@reddit

I’ve said this before, but be real - they will kill you. Your justification does not matter.

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TalentedTongue21@reddit

Yes, they will kill me, but I can guarantee you. I will take a couple of them with me a couple of them with me.

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Pleasant-Trifle-4145@reddit

When the law breaks in, how you gonna go? With your hands on your head or on the trigger of your gun? - The Clash

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great--pretender@reddit

Like I just said to that guy, bug out or die stupid. You do get to choose

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MK_2_Arcade_Cabinet@reddit

We know that.

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AemAer@reddit

Lmao ok liberal. Idk why you think they’re invincible and we’re helpless. We got armor and guns too.

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mrdescales@reddit

Die at home or die in cecot. Trump choices.

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Probably_Boz@reddit

Yea I'm not going to fucking el salvador.

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AemAer@reddit

Say it louder for the people in the back!

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Stalwart_Wisdom@reddit

Same here, guess who gets a knife to the throat if they enter illegally?

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LakeSun@reddit

First AG that apparently Failed the BAR.

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Madmanmangomenace@reddit

People desperately need to be willing to use physical force to protect their rights from gestapo lead regimes. Some movie with this dude who hallucinated pointed out that one could make improvised combustion devices with household items, if I be were so inclined. This is a true statement.

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rockchalkjayhawk8082@reddit

So does mine. 🤷

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scienceismygod@reddit

I was gonna say, you pull that in my backwoods neighborhood that is the reaction you'll get. We are exactly where they would look too.

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Born-Entrepreneur@reddit

Yeah the backstop to the 4th Amendment is the 2nd, so...

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whymygraine@reddit

The 4th says they can't, the 2nd says they shouldn't try.

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Strict_Cranberry_724@reddit

I get it but, generally, federal law supersedes state law.

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OxytocinOD@reddit

✊🏼

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eddyb66@reddit

They're not out there with body cams, show identification, present any warrants. The government expects you let people run in on you armed with no ID and you're supposed to be cool with it? Just a matter of time before criminals start impersonating them and start running into peoples houses impersonating ICE.

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dDot1883@reddit

Do you live in Waco?

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ButtBread98@reddit

Mine too.

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MiniTab@reddit

The Guns of Brixton - The Clash. Great song!

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EverclearAndMatches@reddit

Well the article implies police can sign their own warrants, not sure if that's just creative writing or the actual process by which they'd do it

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CasualPlebGamer@reddit

Basically ICE named an internal form they have an "administrative warrant" so that they can knock on your door and say "we have a warrant."

Administrative warrants don't actually give them the ability to search a private house. It just gives them the ability to make it appear like they can in the moment. If a judge hasn't signed it, it's just a scare tactic.

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ChooseYourOwnA@reddit

Except now they are arresting judges for not complying with the farce after the fact.

And getting away with doing so, apparently.

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Spuckler_Cletus@reddit

No it doesn't.

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genericusername11101@reddit

Ditto, fuck these guys.

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RealCapybaras4Rill@reddit

Funny, mine says that too. Mine doesn’t even bother with CCWs anymore even.

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crag-u-feller@reddit

Plain clothes

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superpositionman@reddit

i don't need permission from my state for that. my state is a failed one

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jollytoes@reddit

Anyone can enter your home w/o permission. Whether they make it back out or not is up to you.

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robinsw26@reddit

Wait till someone in a Stand Your Ground state legally responds with a gun and shoots an ICE man and they return fire killing the occupant. The MAGA’s won’t be able to cope.

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Agitated_Channel8914@reddit

Obfuscating with injecting violent and terroristic euphemisms of DOJ March 14th Memo. I cannot fathom how you people scream for protection of those who are already known by L.E. with rap sheets of violence, drugs etc. To clarify, I have worked years in construction, with LEGAL & illegal Hispanic immigrants. Legal Hispanics were not supportive of the illegals on job sites, they felt those were cheating and breaking the law. Here is the link from DHS in black and white, read for yourself.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25915967-doj-march-14-memo-alien-enemies-act/#document/p1

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Patsy_Adina@reddit

So, I’ve been meaning to ask: I live in a northern state. Just to make sure I am doing things right, are we supposed to report white people too? How are we supposed to be sure the Canadians aren’t here trying to steal all the jobs?

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MonarchMagnetic@reddit

Soon it will be the 2nd amendment they go after.

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BoboChesty@reddit

I’d absolutely love to watch the mental gymnastics that would go in supporting that.

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ButtBread98@reddit

“Take the guns first, go through due process second”. - Trump after the 2017 Vegas shooting.

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Accurate-Mess-2592@reddit

This☝️. He's already on record saying it. I tell this to every 2A trumper and they just refuse to believe it. Then when you show them the video of Trump saying it they tell you it was out of context. Dumbasses don't even see it coming, I kinda feel bad for those sheep...

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MonarchMagnetic@reddit

Trump and Bondi reiterated same and were talking about some unspecified mental disorder that would permit them to seize weapons.

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Oralprecision@reddit

Unfortunately - I’m already seeing it.

I go to training classes twice a month, and I’ve had multiple (more than 5) trainers talk about how it’s time to “limit the second amendment to patriots” or even one candidly saying “disarm the libs.”

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Worth_Appearance3216@reddit

Otherwise good people are radicalized by hearing the same message of 'us against them' day after day for years. I worked with a guy a couple years ago who ranted all the time about liberals, and 'chinks', and etc. Deep down inside he was actually a good, generous person, but his personality was almost unbearable, because he had been listening to Rush Limbaugh every day for 30 years.

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foxtrot_delta_tango_@reddit

I’ve had multiple (more than 5) trainers talk about how it’s time to “limit the second amendment to patriots” or even one candidly saying “disarm the libs.”

And when the first fool tries disarming people based on political alignment... welcome to American Civil War 2.0

We are sitting on a fucking powder keg

And he said it’s long past time to change the constitution because too many subhumans are abusing it.

That would be the very LAST time I set foot in there. That dude is a Nazi slime.

People are not seeing that this isn't about left or right or red or blue.

It's about do you have empathy for other people or not.

Or are you so selfish you would commit genocide just to have what YOU want?

If the powder keg ignites we will wind up Balkanized

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Oralprecision@reddit

It’s different trainers from different companies in different parts of the country. North Carolina, Texas, California, Utah… all over.

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foxtrot_delta_tango_@reddit

You know I'm really glad now that I'm old. Permanent health issues, falling apart physically, broke, super lonely, extremely depressed, no way to get a job doing anything but doordashing, no friends, no boyfriend, no family. I don't have shit and never will. Especially now. I know I won't even be able to get disability when I can't doordash anymore. Friends or a boyfriend in this very red shithole aren't going to happen. Nothing is ever going to change or get better for me because if I can't get a better paying job or disability I'll never be able to move away from here. I hate this place I'm stuck in.

So I'm in the perfect stage of life to be killed in a civil war. Yay.

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Oralprecision@reddit

I’m sorry that life appears to be kicking you in the teeth right now…

This is not normal and it will get better.

As someone that has been in combat, including in civil war zones, I hope a lot of people wake up and say, “enough is enough” when things get kinetic.

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foxtrot_delta_tango_@reddit

I've already said that and I have a plan

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BoboChesty@reddit

Wow, this is insightful. Thanks for sharing.

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MonarchMagnetic@reddit

"It helps gun owners as a whole when you get rid of some bad apples."

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Oralprecision@reddit

Yep. I’ve heard this one.

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Spunge14@reddit

Black Panthers knew about this problem

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Corrupted_G_nome@reddit

Its called doublethink and they are already willingly forgetting yesterday and last week and last year a slong as long the fact spitter in chief says so.

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jadendecar@reddit

Yup, this has been the case for a long time but what really cemented it for me was during Trump's first presidential run when he said "confiscate guns first, then due process" and somehow all the "they're coming for my guns" crowd conveniently ignored that.

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Tanstaf1@reddit

Yes they are trying to truly it make so it is not abridged as it was under Obama and Biden and would have been under Harris and the ditz. Hopefully national reciprocity will be passed. and right to carry expanded.

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PresidentEnronMusk@reddit

Maga: I hate guns now

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MonarchMagnetic@reddit

"The red dot is CCP propaganda."

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BladeOfExile711@reddit

Not worried.

You need a lot of coordination to gather the ungodly amount of weapons in this country.

Plus fun fact, you can defend your gun, with you gun.

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PendejxGordx@reddit

Grabbers hate this one weird trick!

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Deltah-6@reddit

I was unaware that the attorney general was able to dictate what is and isn't legal.

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forrestfaun@reddit

She's not. But then again, she's desperate to be a nazi. So...

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forrestfaun@reddit

So...in my State: Missouri's stand your ground law, codified in RSMO 563.031, allows individuals to use deadly force in self-defense without a duty to retreat if they are in a place they have a right to be and reasonably believe they are facing imminent death, serious physical injury, or a forcible felony. This means if someone feels threatened in their home, or any other place they are legally present, they can use deadly force without first trying to escape.

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lastcall83@reddit

Well, that'll make me assert my 2nd Amendment Rights.

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Corrupted_G_nome@reddit

Good luck with that.

Id bet a shiny dollar local police forces have a bigger stockpile and more manpower than you n yer friends.

Not to mention the hundreds of billions of dollars war machine...

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DragonHalfFreelance@reddit

so wtf do we do? Just let them take us a way or use our arms to commit sewer slide if they break in?

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Dikaiosune_@reddit

It's the typical rightist bs, "submit to those stronger than you, even if they're morally evil". They're a bunch of cowards speaking big words and doing small things.

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Windexx22@reddit

These clowns with no id and brown shirts are acting without fear.

If they are entering your home with force, there is no law or mechanism to avoid getting rolled by this administration.

It's cowardly to think you face a better outcome by rolling over.

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lastcall83@reddit

Oh, I have no expectations of surviving. Some things, like the Constitution that I swore to protect, are worth defending regardless of the cost.

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randomrealitycheck@reddit

I have a neighbor who was ultra MAGA before it was a thing. He is genuinely a nice guy but he loathes anything law enforcement related and he is a Second Amendment warehouse. I'm not sure how he'd respond to anyone showing up at his door demanding to be let in but I'm pretty sure he dreams of the moment someone will make that mistake.

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StringPhoenix@reddit

Constitution and states say otherwise.

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Corrupted_G_nome@reddit

You haven't noticed they don't care? Laws only protect you when they are enforced. If not you might as well wear them as body armor.

I hear they are actively arresting judges that don't submit now...

The king is the law now.

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AemAer@reddit

Over me and our many millions’ dead bodies. You can surrender, we will not.

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quantumpencil@reddit

your dead bodies? that is their plan lol

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Bob_Lawablaw@reddit

My state has a castle doctrine. The gestapo will have a fight on their hands.

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Able_Bullfrog_3671@reddit

gif

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the-stench-of-you@reddit

Thankfully.

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Ulysian_Thracs@reddit

Law enforcement can always enter your home without a warrant under Exigent Circumstances Doctrine. It is an exception to the 4th Amendment.

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Hungry-Share-3719@reddit

Fuck Trump, everyone should be able to house criminals in their home.

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FindIt7Ways@reddit

It will be a bad scene all around if they enter my own. I don't break the law so I am going to assume they are entering my home to cause me harm. I will respond in kind.

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SexyPeanut_9279@reddit

Easy there Clint Eastwood, if you’re not harboring fugitives they have no reason to enter your home.

This law was made for people hiding known gang-members/criminals who also happen to be illegal immigrants (and we know this because they have already committed a crime and have been re-released back into the community.)

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Inferno976@reddit

There was a case here in Texas where a sheriff illegally entered a house without even announcing himself, dude shot and killed the sheriff, and didn't get in anybtrouble

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nucleararms@reddit

How'd the deputy make out?

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kex@reddit

💚

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victorybound@reddit

Good ruling, but I imagine if someone did the same with ICE breaking down the door to get in, the DOJ will throw that person in jail and charge the person with murd.

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Tanstaf1@reddit

So the law works.

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ButtBread98@reddit

Good. That’s why the 2nd amendment exists

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moistnote@reddit

Because he formed a militia?

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followupquestion@reddit

“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials.”

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SevenBansDeep@reddit

And the fourth, and the fourteenth is becoming relevant again as well.

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Born-Entrepreneur@reddit

But was the (rightfully innocent, don't get me wrong) shooter then harassed out of town by the police?

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Warm-Ice12@reddit

Yeah unfortunately if ANYONE comes busting down my door unannounced it’s going to have a tragic ending.

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Tanstaf1@reddit

ROFLMAO

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zoinkability@reddit

Get some good home security camera coverage first. They will claim they announced regardless of what they actually do.

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FindIt7Ways@reddit

Lots of cameras on the property. :)

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Windexx22@reddit

Thank you for your bravery.

The only thing stopping brown shirts from ignoring the law is some danger in doing so.

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Gonna_do_this_again@reddit

I probably won't win that fight, but I'm not fucking going to El Salvador and I'm not going out alone

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ChanceG1955@reddit

I doubt it is legal. All that is needed is to go to court, and we will see. The head of the DoJ, another sycophant occupant of the Trump Clown Car, is a fascist.

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BadCorvid@reddit

The executive branch has the law enforcement, so they can just ... ignore the courts and arrest any judge who rules against them.

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Royal-Doctor-278@reddit

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

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BadCorvid@reddit

Trump doesn't recognize any of the Amendments, much less the Constitution.

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Tanstaf1@reddit

Yup. Thankfully, so far ICE is following the 4th.

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JMR413@reddit

So the constitution means nothing anymore?

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BadCorvid@reddit

It hasn't since January 20, 2025.

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benakked@reddit

Wonder what the Supreme Court Courts will say .! We vs are not in a war with anyone . The police can’t come in with without a warrant in most cases . If they in hot pursuit of a felling they can but just to look I’m sure not .

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Randysrodz@reddit

No they can't! STFU

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Av8tr1@reddit

Probable cause has been a thing since 1789. This isn't something new to the Trump administration. It was written in the original Constitution.

Its literally written into the 4th amendment. "but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

If someone is here illegally and is being harbored by a citizen both are committing a crime. If law enforcement has reasonable suspicion, it is legal to search for someone in hiding.

Yeah, its bullshit that we have come to this. But if you enter the country illegally, you have committed a crime. If you harbor someone who entered the country illegally, you are in fact an accessory to a crime and thus committing a crime. This gives law enforcement all they need to search your house.

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TrekRider911@reddit (OP)

ICE Administrative Warrants do not allow for entry into residences.

https://www.motionlaw.com/the-difference-between-judicial-and-administrative-warrants/

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NewFraige@reddit

Well good luck to you. I hope you get what you voted for.

Also, good catch on the John and Sam Adams. I was setting it up to see if you’d know the difference between the two so I do have to give you credit.

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grummanae@reddit

Search with reasonable cause without a warrant is legal always has been

However IANAL and I believe the spirit of this memo is to lower that bar to minimum and given the arrest of a sitting judge this is going and has sent a strong signal

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Radiant-Bit-7722@reddit

ICE is the translation of GESTAPO!

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chunkykongracing@reddit

To be fair they did do the Nazi salute on Inauguration Day so it’s not like this is a surprise

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PerspectiveDry7375@reddit

Sounds like a lot of ICE folks are gonna get popped. No warrant equals enter at your own risk.

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Definitelymostlikely@reddit

They’ll likely only target left leaning districts/cities assuming those who lean left are

More likely to be brown. 2. More likely to not own firearms.

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slickrok@reddit

Oh, we own PLENTY of firearms. We dont answer surveys about it truthfully and we aren't ammosexuals bc we aren't idiots or weird or losers.

The left, and the center, are armed.

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VADoc627@reddit

ummm ammosexuals? this wins the internet for me today and I am using this phrase obsessively from now on...

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Tanstaf1@reddit

LOL - We'll see.

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SpazSpez@reddit

Nothing would give me greater pleasure to see the 2A used for its actual purpose after 230 years against the trump gestapo. Whether or not the crazy 2A people will do it or not idk, but I certainly would

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BornField6669@reddit

Back in the 1800's, the homeowners housed slaves like that.

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ToxicEvolution@reddit

Come and see. 😀

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-TheycallmeThe@reddit

It's been like this within 100 miles of a border/water for years https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-14/mapping-who-lives-in-border-patrol-s-100-mile-zone

Something like 2/3rds of the US population lives within 100 miles

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Tanstaf1@reddit

This only applies to people travelling, not in their homes. Checkpoints and stopping suspicious vehicles has been done for decades.

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Girafferage@reddit

For example - the entirety of Florida.

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RF-blamo@reddit

They might enter without a warrant, but they’ll never walk back out the door.

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Tanstaf1@reddit

ROFLMAO

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Corrupted_G_nome@reddit

You know they have the most capable force at killing armed people right?

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wanderingpeddlar@reddit

And after 15 or 20 of them get killed doing it the front line guys are going to stop being willing to to do warrant less entry's into people homes.

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anis_mitnwrb@reddit

buddy, no cop in the world is going into a house to clear our armed people. this memo, like most things that come out of the government, is just yapping to scare specific people and make them feel hopeless. no way on earth some hall monitor deportation officer is going to go get chopped up by an AR-10 for the 80 grand they make

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Key_Pace_2496@reddit

Doesn't really matter when it's a numbers game. All you gotta do is take out at least one of them on your way out. Enough of their people leave "raids" with a toe tag and even the most ardent fascist will stop showing up for work.

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AemAer@reddit

You know many gun owners are ex military and fascists are not invincible? We’re not fighting against F15’s — idk what you think will happen, but if someone tries invading my home I got 30 reasons they won’t be walking out.

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BILLIONAIRE_JESUS@reddit

laughs in Afghanistan

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Probably_Boz@reddit

laughs in Appalachian

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winkerbeanie@reddit

You may be thinking of the military or something. These ICE patrols have been filled out with a bunch of contracted gravy seals. Third rate rejects who were fired from legit law enforcement or who never made it on any force to begin with. They're clowns.

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aweyeahdawg@reddit

Who are you talking about exactly? The 2 unmarked brownshirts at the doorstep?

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Spottedinthewild@reddit

ICE? No, they do not

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Fivetimechampfive@reddit

Most people are okay in going down in a fire when it means defending their rights

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RF-blamo@reddit

This

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Windexx22@reddit

The point is to tip the scales in them breaking the law with impunity.

A few patriots defending their castles will change the calculus.

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lavapig_love@reddit

Sure. Always have. But having the strength and focus for a gunfight is altogether different.

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RaydelRay@reddit

Just like the slave catchers of yore. They did whatever they wanted to do.

I often wonder, as many people do, who the hell would be a slave catcher, now we know.

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Lily_Valkyrie@reddit

https://youtu.be/JXXbMDSl4dA?si=4yifs3vairw4knZY

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dyslexic-alien@reddit

This crap would be over if the democrats hustled say “when we get to power, we will prosecute all law enforcement officers who followed illegal and unconstitutional orders because we all have heard the excuse I was following orders, and it is not valid”.

Give something to the SS ICE

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fringecar@reddit

No that won't help

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TwinIronBlood@reddit

They can't say they, the orange man will give them a pre-emptive pardon. And how many ordinary cop families will not vote democrat just in case one of their loved ones gets prosecuted

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esepinchelimon@reddit

The way things are going, it seems like we have to consider whether or not the Democrats and Republicans are colluding.

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LetGo_n_LetDarwin@reddit

They would never say that or do it because they’re bootlicking 🐈

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ihave2shoes@reddit

And are also profiting off their positions. This is absolutely wild.

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isitreallyyou56@reddit

This is why you should buy guns. Defend your home no matter who knocks your fuckin door down

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Akiraooo@reddit

This is actually the real reason for the 2nd amendment. It was not for hunting.

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isitreallyyou56@reddit

Hunting facists

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OxytocinOD@reddit

☭✊🏼☭

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isitreallyyou56@reddit

My grandfather and his brothers didn’t fight soviets, Maoist’s and North Koreans for the authoritarians to come here to roost.

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OxytocinOD@reddit

Princeton University:

Working class Americans have a “statistically non-significant, close to 0%” impact on our laws. On what our country does. They took in the 20 previous years for data.

We have a democracy for the rich.

For over 90% of Americans? We live in fascism charaded as democracy.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7-LqVyoz_a/?igsh=d2Z5Ymk3N3dtdmxn

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Puzzled_Gear5983@reddit

but at least in this one people can feel safe in their living space

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RonBach1102@reddit

How about defend our homeland from the invasion of illegals that is happening?

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wanderingpeddlar@reddit

If you are willing to give up freedom and liberty over a fake "invasion" of illegals you won't get either. And you won't deserve either.

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BroadRaspberry1190@reddit

sure, someone breaks into your home, unwarranted, shoot them up. i think we e can all agree on that

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Llee00@reddit

you're just proof that Trumpers aren't conservatives

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Yamahahahahahahaha@reddit

Oh put a sock in it you muppet

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PipeOptimal9734@reddit

So you agree that the government should be able to conduct warrantless searches of property?

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IEatAssAndPizza@reddit

The acc lurks in r/Conservative bro don't feed the trolls

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PipeOptimal9734@reddit

One can both oppose the trampling of our constitution and the lack of enforcement of our immigration laws. I am curious if he’s principled enough to admit that, even if he likes the supposed ends to these warrantless searches, the means are unconstitutional.

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isitreallyyou56@reddit

He’s a boot licker

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FloridaManMilksTree@reddit

I'll take hard-working immigrants over boot-licking fascists.

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Gonna_do_this_again@reddit

I'm more afraid of the government than I am of the people who pick our produce

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JaronK@reddit

You shoot them, the next wave arrests you as an example

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isitreallyyou56@reddit

Not unless you have things that can deter them more. I’m not saying anything else

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LuciaV8285@reddit

BS

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DreamingAboutSpace@reddit

If they try that in any non-"migrant" household, they'll be met with the same force that a thief or trespasser would. Especially since ICE doesn't like to announce themselves.

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Huntduxin25@reddit

Buuuuuut radical leftists are the fascists? Uh-huh...

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Dyn0might33@reddit

Remember, radical extremists have more in common with each other than 90% of the population. They are different end of the same broken rod, yet still the same.

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Huntduxin25@reddit

Mmmmkayyyyy, show some radical leftists wing activities that even come close to right wing radicals. What you got?

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Dyn0might33@reddit

Oh, I don't know. Greenpeace sinking trollers is a good example of extremes. Destrying research labs (see PETA). People tying themselves to trees. Although noble ends are the goal of the prior examples, vs what extreme right wingers enbrace, it is still extreme behavior. Add any and all communist or socialist revolutions (see history for many examples). It's the same mindset. Inflexible. Unwilling to negotiate. Unable to admit fault or wrong. Fixated on forcing their views and practices on everyone else.

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Huntduxin25@reddit

How bout that rainbow warrior being sunk?

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Dyn0might33@reddit

Yep, pretty shitty act. What's your point?

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Huntduxin25@reddit

😆 kinda forgot about ol Greenpeace. Have they even done anything this century? Them old hippies are dying off aren't they? Lol. I see they got sued for protests about the pipeline in Nodak. Pfffft!! Oil industry can abuse natives rights and exploit and pollute their land. Somehow they get to sue the protesters? And they won? Pffft! What a joke

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1fastghost@reddit

Memos aren't laws. Trespassers will be prosecuted.

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Corrupted_G_nome@reddit

By whom? They are arresting the judges now and ignoring supreme court orders.

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LatterAdvertising633@reddit

By a resident defending their domicile with a weapon.

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GlizzyGobbler2023@reddit

The 2nd amendment. That’s how they will be prosecuted.

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AemAer@reddit

Jesus, how many comments are you spreading this doomer attitude? You can go to El Salvador, I ain’t fucking going .

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Available-Bench-3880@reddit

Same shit the British tried so what about the constitution

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Upset-Diamond2857@reddit

Better be wearing a vest no knock will get you killed

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amebocytes@reddit

No they can’t.

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d0m1n0S4m@reddit

FAFO ...triple dog dare

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potsgotme@reddit

The very last sentence of that article.. what a fucking joke.

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YellowBroth9150@reddit

I wish all warrantless knockers a very happy 2A.

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Guilty_Act2254@reddit

Aaanddd all of you fall for r/law lies…!!!

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gofunkyourself69@reddit

Enter without a warrant, and leave in a bodybag.

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QuotesMcClure@reddit

MAGA filth say what?

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DayTraditional2846@reddit

Yeah nah, if I’m getting taken to El Salvador I’m gonna make sure some ICE agents/MAGAts get an expedited ticket to hell first.

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Char_siu_for_you@reddit

Time to start anonymously reporting my maga neighbors for harboring undocumented gang members.

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R2-DMode@reddit

Making false police reports and swatting is illegal. I’d be very interested to see how that works out for you.

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DueAssociation2621@reddit

It is odd that somehow people think that zero Democrats own firearms.

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ResearchWooden5223@reddit

Good luck getting in my house

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Ok-Pipe6817@reddit

Sooo how do they decide whose house to just “enter”?!

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MaestroFlaps@reddit

"Given the dynamic nature of enforcement operations, officers in the field are authorizedto apprehend aliens upon a reasonable belief that the alien meets all four requirements to bevalidated as an Alien Enemy. " The four requirements are 14 or older, not a US citizen or legal resident, a Venezuelan citizen, and a member of Tren de Aragua.

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Definitelymostlikely@reddit

Considering there’s no longer due process they can just say that’s anyone

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DerisiveGibe@reddit

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Ok-Pipe6817@reddit

Lol, yeah that’s what i was thinking smh :(

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dgillott@reddit

They test my 4Th amendment rights I will exercise my 2nd amendment rights.

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lc4444@reddit

So, where is the outrage from all the 2nd Amendment people?

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benenstein@reddit

The DOJ could say that if you don’t wear green you can be arrested. That doesn’t make it legal. How does this have any legality to it? Would it just be ICE making illegal arrests, but since nobody is challenging them, it’ll just happen? If you fight back against their illegal action, could you be charged?

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Remarkable-Wing-3458@reddit

And thanks to Florida's 287(g) program, cops can be considered ICE Agents. What a time to be alive.

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mistafunnktastic@reddit

This is literally what the 2nd amendment was written for.

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Foe117@reddit

in this modern age, you and whomever you exercised your rights on will both be deceased that same day, regardless because they're outside and tell one story and you on the other unable to explain.

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N2Shooter@reddit

That will only happen once.

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jar1967@reddit

If they can do that for one crime, it is a simple matter to expand it to cover any crimes

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OppositeArt8562@reddit

They can try

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Prob_Pooping@reddit

Good luck to them.

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Child-0f-atom@reddit

Let the warning ride forth once more, tyranny is at our door

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EarlobeOfEternalDoom@reddit

Divide et impera

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spoonfedninja@reddit

This seems like it's gonna come into conflict with 2A

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Longing2bme@reddit

I doubt it. Breaking into a home uninvited is not a good policy.

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Dyn0might33@reddit

That may also be the goal.

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Longing2bme@reddit

No doubt it is. When it does I hope we the people demand justice for the innocent.

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Dyn0might33@reddit

Amen!

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Dzjeek@reddit

Minnesota has a Castle doctirine..

Nuff said...

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plantdaddy_44@reddit

They have permission, but can they physically? Can they handle the repercussions? I think we'll see.

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SelectionDue4287@reddit

ICE about to find out that castle doctrine exists.

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Dyn0might33@reddit

Let's hope so.

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Actual_Search5889@reddit

They've been able to enter your home without a warrent since the beginning of America. All they have to do is take you. It wouldn't even be that hard for them to do. No one could do anything about it even if they tried.

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wanderingpeddlar@reddit

Wow, that is something. I mean just wow.

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Mundane-Twist7388@reddit

They are really going full throttle in this complete assault on our rights

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wanderingpeddlar@reddit

When they tell you who they are believe them.

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ClanBadger@reddit

Gosh, itd be a shame if the intruders were met with a 12ga slug.

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StopLookListenNow@reddit

She looks and acts like a demented evil bitch. Oh...she really is one.

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ROACH247x559@reddit

Fuck you, no. ICE will lose to lead.

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Effective-Ebb-2805@reddit

Let's see what the "conservative" 2nd Amendment supporters think about sucking up to Trump/Miller's horseshit once ICE agents, without warrants or proper identification, start breaking into people's homes in the middle of the night...

Furtherest, those concerned with frivolous government spending will be none too pleased with all the life insurance claims, funeral expenses, lawsuits, and trials the government will be saddled with in the near future, should this moronic memo be put into action.

What's the difference between ICE thugs looking for "illegals" and gestapo thugs looking for their version of "illegals", "der juden"? Morally? None. Practically? The US American citizenry is armed to the teeth... and it doesn't have a sense of humor about home invasion and government overreach.

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Rammstein_786@reddit

How’d you know who’s then and who’s not since there has been many impersonators? Anyone with the intent to rob can say they’re them.

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Annon130@reddit

Anyone who doesn’t see this as a MAJOR constitutional violation is a freaking dumbass. Most certainly a MAGA cult member. Guarantee the ones not having a problem think “it’s never gonna happen to me” I hope it does. I hope the SS come bust on and remove someone you love. I always thought the saying “Those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat it” was just a saying to make people do homework but it’s clearly true. Humanity is such a stain on this world.

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IgnobleSpleen@reddit

Pam the Nazi

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Relevant-Signature34@reddit

Just like I tell my children, you can do anything you want, but you should be prepared for the consequences of what you do.

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ColdNorthern72@reddit

Just because something is legal does not make it right. What Germany did to the Jews was “legal”.

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baby_maker_666@reddit

These people at the top are traitors to America and anyone who supports them, FOR ANY REASON, is a traitor to America

And what do we do with traitors here in America? That's right, we "prosecute" them with the second amendment TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW

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TinyEmergencyCake@reddit

Hi, it's me, the 4th Amendment.

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talino2321@reddit

You're not welcome in Trumpastan

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G-Fox1990@reddit

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Left_on_Pause@reddit

So, ICE is the magic bullet in terms of the constitution? An extra government military that isn’t bound by laws.

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kuulmonk@reddit

So the Gestapo in all but name.

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otayyo@reddit

Several countries would be in a general strike by now

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Jos999999@reddit

Sure ..... Can you say "Russia" , or Brown shirts , or get a vacation in a Venezualian "Summer Resort" according to Cheetoh

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ltragach@reddit

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Reminds me of someone…

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malitove@reddit

Its only treason if your side loses!

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Fickle-Public1972@reddit

Breech of the 4th amendment? Even in the UK l know this from watching US lawyer’s YouTube

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MBTank@reddit

Pour P

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mik33tion@reddit

Mark my words, ICE is going to enter the wrong person’s house at some point all hell’s going to break loose

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sexyfun_cs@reddit

They've will be met with resistance, more guns then people here in good old murica

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Electrical_Bicycle47@reddit

Let’s goooooo

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therapistofcats@reddit

Can we find an article by a more reputable source than the daily boulder and the author "staff writer"?

It doesn't sound on the up and up

https://www.reddit.com/r/AnythingGoesNews/comments/1e49egy/what_is_the_daily_boulder/

Plus thos "article" is reporting on a memo from over a month ago. Not exactly breaking news here.

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Street_Moose1412@reddit

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/25/trump-venezuelan-gang-deportations-alien-enemies-act/83253074007/

Here's the original article from USA Today.

Due to a “dynamic nature of law enforcement procedures” officers are free to "apprehend aliens" based on their “reasonable belief” they meet the definitions, the memo states.

It purports to grant authority for police to enter a suspected "Alien Enemy’s residence" if “circumstances render it impracticable” to first obtain a warrant.

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Shoddy_Tea_2167@reddit

Alien Enemy

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Girafferage@reddit

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therapistofcats@reddit

That article definitely hits a bit differently.

Now does anyone have a copy of the memo? The groups website doesn't seem to have it.

https://propertyofthepeople.org/documentcloud-data/

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Street_Moose1412@reddit

This link was in the USA Today article.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25915967-doj-march-14-memo-alien-enemies-act/#document/p1

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maikuuuuuuu@reddit

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25915967/doj-march-14-memo-alien-enemies-act.pdf

Read at your leisure.

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Just-a-bi@reddit

Will they be doing this without a uniform and with their face covered, like when they nabbed that college student?

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Girafferage@reddit

That's fine. We have quick mask removal tools. Won't be identifiable afterwards, but the mask will come off.

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Flabbergasted_____@reddit

Every state I’ve ever been in allows me to stop any unauthorized attempt to enter my occupied dwelling with deadly force. They do not allow deadly force against law enforcement engaged in the lawful duties of their jobs; entering a dwelling without a warrant, without permission, without identifying, or using private security contractors like G4S is not lawful duties of their jobs.

Pic unrelated.

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Girafferage@reddit

Tanerite lawn gnomes as far as the eye can see.

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Mean_Equipment_1909@reddit

2nd amendment

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Corrupted_G_nome@reddit

My dude they don't seem to care about any of the other amendments.

They are doing the most unconstitutional and frightening shit Ive seen in my lifetime.

They don't even give folks due process to prove their amendment right in court if it was ever in question.

Whats the point of laws if the government don't even follow them?

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Probably_Boz@reddit

If I don't get due process, then I'm not going to be detained. How they want to play that is up to them.

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Girafferage@reddit

Yeah the options seem to be die defending yourself from an unconstitutional act, or die in a foreign prison due to an unconstitutional act. At least one will feel relevant.

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Windexx22@reddit

The thing about the second amendment is you don't have to believe in it for it to work.

Intruders getting shot in the face changes the instrument of intrusion.

Resistance isn't total it's incremental. If you intend to resist this oppression, drawing the line here and defending it is a fine choice.

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Connect-Type493@reddit

Alot of people are going to get injured or killed this way

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09enderman@reddit

The 4th Amendment says they can't. If they still come in, the 2nd Amendment says they can't.

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LeafsJays1Fan@reddit

Florida's stand your ground law is really going to be put to the test on this one isn't it.

Plain clothes, wears a mask, no badge, no warrant, doesn't identify themselves....

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Appropriate_Mode8346@reddit

"Your honor, I thought they were armed thugs."

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jonathanfv@reddit

Sounds like a home invasion. I'm not American, but Americans, it might be time to organize the protection of your neighbourhoods from the Gestapo (ICE).

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Odyssey-85@reddit

That is a good way to get fucking shot. Pretty much everyone is armed. This is fucking stupid.

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Corrupted_G_nome@reddit

The US actually spends Hundreds of billions of dollars a year killing people with guns.

Im sure your local milita's salaries will keep up...

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AemAer@reddit

We are many, they are few. I don’t see you rushing to replenish their numbers if they are losing fascists with every home invasion.

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lavapig_love@reddit

Some of those who work forces, are the same who burn crosses.

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Gonna_do_this_again@reddit

I don't really have much to lose, how much do they have?

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Griever114@reddit

Seriously. It's death by pinkertons or death by el.dalvador prison.

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Gygax_the_Goat@reddit

Maybe thats the point?

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IxianToastman@reddit

Yeah. As soon as a they have a shoot out they can run with it will be necessarily to limit guns. The irony that it won't be school shootings but self defense. Only a criminal would fight back and only criminals need weapons that can stop an agent from coming for you. No slight of hand just we're to dangerous to be free.

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Panda_tears@reddit

The fuuuuck they will! They’re gonna need at least 6 of them to fight off my buck naked ass wielding a samurai sword at 2am! Also a fun way to die that would be a legendary story passed down through my family forever.

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Such_Minute_5245@reddit

For those who hate this timeline take a look on how it's on the other timeline r/TheGoodTimeline

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huunnuuh@reddit

They seem to have deported a US citizen now: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/two-year-old-us-citizen-appears-have-been-deported-with-no-meaningful-process-2025-04-26/

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Durmatology@reddit

Well, they wanted the 2A with no restrictions..,

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_WeAreFucked_@reddit

Is this a “Trust me Bro” moment. Smh

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StarStuff-Human-88@reddit

I will use lethal force if someone enters my home in this manner.

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ArlenePapilio@reddit

That isn’t the law or even legal precedent. The DOJ is not a lawmaking organization.

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Outrageous-juror@reddit

I saw a video of a certain sheriff giving permission to shoot intruders.

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rayden-shou@reddit

One step closer to becoming the SS.

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Captain-Obvious-69@reddit

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Fascists be like

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esepinchelimon@reddit

As more time goes on the more I feel like this is probably how it started to go down as the Nazis came into power and formed the SS

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Zelexis@reddit

4th amendment and 14th say they cannot. 2nd amendement let's me enforce these laws.

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userhwon@reddit

DOJ memos are aspirational, not legal documents.

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Strict_Cranberry_724@reddit

That means that law enforcement can, and will, now enter ANY home by claiming that anyone is suspected of being an illegal/legal migrant.

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ThelastkailordSkarn@reddit

Oh hey look it’s time to show ICE why they shouldn’t fuck around with things they don’t want to find out the consequences of.

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bobbymcpresscot@reddit

I want to highlight that even if you live in a weed legal state, that doesn't matter to the federal government (: they can find whatever the fuck they want, and your US attorney for your state can press federal drug charges on you.

Will it hold up? probably not due to the nature of how they found it, does that matter if they just deport you to fucking el salvador? Lol who knows. The rules are made up and the points don't matter.

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Dawg_in_NWA@reddit

I'm pretty sure writing it in a memo doesn't make it legal.

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Stop_icant@reddit

So sick of Illegally Blondi.

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Leading-Put-7428@reddit

ICE can get fucked

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drone-swarm@reddit

Go ahead, ICE. Do it. Wear those ski masks while you’re at it. Lot of guns in this country. Can’t wait to read about you law breaking thugs getting shot while breaking and entering houses without a warrant. Ain’t nobody on your side, you nazi ass bums.

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Koinutron@reddit

Try.

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alphatango308@reddit

I mean.... They can TRY. Lol.

All jokes aside, this is fucked.

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iridescent-shimmer@reddit

No warrant. No entry. It's not up for debate in our house.

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wanderingpeddlar@reddit

4th amendment there people. And if your too stupid to understand what that means you going to be dealing with hundreds of Wacos all at once. See how that works out for you.

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Beathil@reddit

The Gestapo.

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thererises_aredstar@reddit

Very very true. And I’d say maybe here, maybe r/ThielWatch, cross post to r/YarvinConspiracy as many of the same threads are followed there, maybe one of the ICE watch oriented subs? r/ICEwatch or r/eyesonICE ? I know there are a few anti Heritage and anti Russian disinformation subs as well though I have to look up their names.

I’ll think it over and come back with any more ideas that pop up. I’ll follow your profile in the meantime in hopes of a post if thats alright.

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thefluffyparrot@reddit

They can try

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DomDeV707@reddit

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Saint_EDGEBOI@reddit

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How long has it been, 3 months?

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trainsongslt@reddit

Come on in Barbie bitch

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bpeden99@reddit

The federal government will not enter my home without resistance

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MulletofLegend@reddit

No, no they can't. The constitution says otherwise. I will cheer when ICE and FBI agents start getting shot.

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BILLIONAIRE_JESUS@reddit

I'm pretty sure the house down the street from me is harboring illegal aliens. They've been flying that trump 2024 flag for a few years to just throw off the cops.

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bpeck451@reddit

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?

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turbofan86@reddit

The US now is honestly just a shit show.

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Rambler1223@reddit

Fuck what that memo says!

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Shoddy_Tea_2167@reddit

ICE can now get a blast to the face

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LetGo_n_LetDarwin@reddit

I hope they set up a tip line so I can let them know which houses to check

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MaestroFlaps@reddit

"As much as practicable, officers should follow the proactive procedures above-and havean executed Warrant of Apprehension and Removal-before contacting an Alien Enemy.However, that will not always be realistic or effective in swiftly identifying and removing AlienEnemies. For example, consistent with the law, officers may need to contact a suspected AlienEnemy to develop further facts or otherwise confirm any of the four requirements for validationas an Alien Enemy. Or an officer may encounter a suspected Alien Enemy in the natural course ofthe officer's enforcement activity, such as when apprehending other validated members of Tren deAragua. Given the dynamic nature of enforcement operations, officers in the field are authorizedto apprehend aliens upon a reasonable belief that the alien meets all four requirements to bevalidated as an Alien Enemy. This authority includes entering an Alien Enemy's residence to makean AEA apprehension where circumstances render it impracticable to first obtain a signed Noticeand Warrant of Apprehension and Removal (Form AEA-21B).Whenever officers make a reactive apprehension under the AEA, officers must thereaftercomplete each relevant step of the Proactive Removal Procedures outlined above. And prior toremoval of an Alien Enemy, officers must complete all forms described above, namely, FormsAEA-21A, AEA-21B, and AEA-21C"

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anony-mousey2020@reddit

So glad they have paperwork to do.

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Ill-Possible4420@reddit

Well, 2nd amendment seems like it will be pretty important

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PenImpossible874@reddit

Support castle doctrine in your state.
Take firearms safety classes so that you can be a safe and legal firearms owner.
If you live in a blue state, join your local secessionist group.

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Just_Learned_This@reddit

We're repealing a bill of rights now?

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RF-blamo@reddit

It became irrelevant on January 20.

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xlvi_et_ii@reddit

Oh it became irrelevant long before then - that's just when it became apparent for all to see.

Privacy and due process have been under assault since at least 9/11 and the Patriot Act - policies like mass surveillance, suspension of habeas corpus, Guantanamo, and extraordinary rendition shit all over the Constitution.

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Cool_Direction_9220@reddit

absolutely this. many marginalized people are rightly frustrated by people acting like this path hasn't been forged over a long period of time and as if these types of oppression are new. they are not. they only are for less marginalized people. but nobody cared then, when it didn't affect them.

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No-Professional-1884@reddit

Those Rights have been DOGED down to mere Suggestions.

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Ecstatic_Shopping_36@reddit

Time will find orange diapermans administrations in jail

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dulcelocura@reddit

Get ready for a whole new type (sub genre? Or something) of “SWATing”. Yay this is fun aren’t we all having fun? (/s)

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PM_Me_UR-FLASHLIGHT@reddit

Freezing, perhaps?

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Drinkdrankdonk@reddit

Seems like there’s an amendment that says otherwise.

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Mr-Hoek@reddit

Oh well, I guess I'll just die defending my home then.

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AutomaticClark@reddit

Another good reason for Canada to not become the 51st state

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fishdishly@reddit

Dead ICE Agent bingo sounds fucking delightful.

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BalekFekete@reddit

Coming soon: the 4th meets the 2nd.

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ruidh@reddit

The fascism! You're soaking in it!

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Anxious-Freedom-2033@reddit

Yeah fuck this someone is getting shot.

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Skormz69@reddit

"illegals"

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Sarkany76@reddit

Did most of you peppers expect that your prepping, guns and ammo would seem most important under a Trump Adminstration?

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sundancer2788@reddit

Memo isn't law and I'd like to see them try.

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crazysmitty27@reddit

Wanna see what happens, if they try?

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Corrupted_G_nome@reddit

Buddy, they have a multi hundred billion dollar killing machine at their disposal.

Nah offense but you and your buddies will need some serious support for any kind of conflict.

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crazysmitty27@reddit

Pal, the Viet Cong and Taliban would love a word. That killing machine gets boat-raced every time by the home turf bros.

On repeat…. Let’s see who can absorb a body count on socials.

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BayAreaBroskee@reddit

They’re going to get a fucking face and got full of buck shot then. Fuck these fascists.

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pathf1nder00@reddit

I will not give up my 4th Amendment Rights, without using my 1st, 2nd, and maybe even 3rd Amendment first.

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LeninaCrowneIn2020@reddit

Just blasting right through Constitutional rights. They're gonna have the whole thing shredded by the end of the year, huh?

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Significant_Donut967@reddit

Man, Texans are gonna be doing a lot of harm to those ICE folks for breaking Castle Doctrine.

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Imperial_Puppy66@reddit

They better be ready for a unfriendly welcome

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sparlock_@reddit

The fuck they can.

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RealCapybaras4Rill@reddit

They should put the 3-4 dudes they don’t like very much at the front. For training purposes.

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Princess_Actual@reddit

We're so close now....

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Corrupted_G_nome@reddit

Oh we THERE!

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Princess_Actual@reddit

No gods, no masters, no slaves.

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DrivenToSuccess-01@reddit

This is literally why the 2nd Amendment was written.

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FaceThief9000@reddit

A memo doesn't override the Constitution you god damn clowns.

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Corrupted_G_nome@reddit

Neither does arresting people or deporting them without trial.

These people dont follow or care about the constitution.

There are arrest videos online where a warrant was not produced and a reason for the arrest was not given. The person's private vehicle was ented by smashing their windows.

They are literally detaining and deporting without their constitutionally mandated due process.

The career criminal not following the rules? Who knew it would go this way?!?!

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Speaking as a firearms instructor and licensed ccw holder in a stand-your-ground state... Absolutely the fuck not.

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blackcatwizard@reddit

ISSE