Does your county have a 'north-south' divide?
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So I live in North Essex (the area that makes it feel like Suffolk more than anything else) and the entire area feels way more posher, hasn't got that Essex-stereotype and waaaay more different than South Essex, I consider North Essex to be anywhere that is north of Brentwood (Chelmsford, Colchester, Braintree etc.) and South Essex (likes of Basildon, Grays, Southend, Harlow etc.)
Does your county have a North-South or East-West divide or is your county just one faced with no differences?
IssueMoist550@reddit
North Lincolnshire - poor, impoverished, delapidated. Post Industrial.
South Lincolnshire - affluent , rural, parts are commutable from London
MinMic@reddit
I have to disagree, I think the Essex dividing line is the A120 but then I'm biased as someone who spent a lot of my youth in Saffron Walden.
scorzon@reddit
Hampshire. Definitely. The South Downs run across the county west to east neatly bisecting it.
North of The Downs is very rural, more Surrey like, got your Winchester, several market towns that are commutable to London and so on. Horsey country.
South of The Downs you're into Portsmouth, Havant, Gosport, Southampton, Leigh Park and so on, whilst there are still rural pockets this feels very different to the North, which feels much more well to do.
This_Charmless_Man@reddit
Yeah I always forget that Hampshire just sort of goes on for a while. I was in Portsmouth for Hoptoberfest at the Staggeringly Good brewery and fell asleep on the train home due to inebriation and ended up in Farnborough which is apparently still Hampshire!
Low-Cauliflower-5686@reddit
Yeah Basingstoke and Farnborough have the feel of London commuter towns.
scorzon@reddit
Haha, got drunk and feel asleep in bad Hampshire, woke up in good Hampshire. What a night!
Honestly before anyone takes offence it's all good, but you're right, it's a good sized county.
Sil_Lavellan@reddit
Farnborough isn't good Hampshire. It's an the pocket in the northeast which is both deprived urban sprawl and hideously expensive to live in. You pay a lot to live in towns with nothing going for them except a good train to London.
scorzon@reddit
Hmmm, not good Hampshire eh? I have definitely found the person from North Hampshire who has never visited Leigh Park, Paulsgrove and Gosport!!
This_Charmless_Man@reddit
I've got so used to living in Portsmouth where everything is so crushed in that everywhere is stumbling distance home. Now I've moved out of the city it still hasn't quite recalibrated that I actually need to pay attention to how I'm getting home š
scorzon@reddit
Yes, huge amounts of alcohol are the way.
aDragonfruit@reddit
its not really a north south divide, it's just an urban and rural divide. The north has Basingstoke which doesn't feel well to do.
the south has the New Forest which feels like a completely different world it's definitely not like the rest of the south coast
Jurassic_tsaoC@reddit
I'd call it more of a NESW divide, most of it's like someone chipped bits off all of the surrounding counties and lumped them together into an awkward conglomeration of a county. The core of Hampshire I suppose would be Winchester & its hinterland (though it increasingly feels caught in London's expanding orbit) and the urban strip along the south coast from Southampton to Havant which is sort of it's own little economic entity. Everything else could easily be part of an adjacent county.
Independent-Ad-3385@reddit
North Hampshire is basically London commuters
Unfair-Ad-9479@reddit
Yeah, the North-South divide in Hampshire is definitely something that people within recognise VERY well, but outside of it is still grouped in with the Home Counties. As a Pompey person, Iāve never quite felt at home being in the northern parts of the county.
RunningCrow_@reddit
Have you heard of the new forest?! It's probably the most expensive area in Hampshire, and it's in the south.
EELightning@reddit
I live in Dorset. It has an east-west divide. The east is more built up, there's Poole and Bournemouth.
The west is more rural with nothing approaching a city size, just small market towns and villages.
Here in the west if I wanted "big shops" I'd head over the border to Exeter, Bournemouth feels quite far away and not part of the same place. West Dorset has more in common with east Devon and south Somerset.
Jurassic_tsaoC@reddit
There's also a north south divide, inland Dorset feels very different to coastal Dorset, I think the old districts actually reflected the different character areas of the county quite well.
East Dorset: More urbanised, has the BCP conurbation, Ferndown, Verwood, etc.
South Dorset: Purbeck, basically. Coastal & touristy. Arguably also includes Weymouth as it's western terminus.
North Dorset: Hilly & rural.
West Dorset: Closer to the proper west country, somehow a different flavour of rural vs the north of the county. Includes the Lyme bay coast/ Chesil beach which makes it a bit more touristy than the north, but not as much as Purbeck.
Cassidy-Conway@reddit
I live in Leicestershire and I'm pretty sure THE north-south divide runs through the county diagonally south-west to north-east. While I'm simplifying, the south is by-en-large wealthier and more rural than the north.
Ok_Music253@reddit
I'd say it's very east/west. West is mining country and the small towns that link the city to Birmingham/Derby/Nottingham.
East is the rural farmers/hillbillies/hunters.
Cassidy-Conway@reddit
The thing is that would lump Broughton Astley where I grew up with Ashby, Coalville and Loughborough, which just doesn't seem right. I live in Loughborough now and I really notice a significant difference between Broughton and the Charnwood area. That why I feel the line is more diagonal.
No_Potato_4341@reddit
Actually tbh the divide is between Leicester and the rest of the county. The rest of Leicestershire is far wealthier than Leicester itself.
Cassidy-Conway@reddit
You're not wrong, though I still believe what I said to be true also.
Sidenote, I thought I recognised your username and yes, I commented on your post in r/Leicester.
No_Potato_4341@reddit
Oh yeah you did. You said that you really like Loughborough.Ā
Cassidy-Conway@reddit
That's me.
RatArsedGarbageDog@reddit
I am a midlander. We are the divide. I have friends who are southern with northern tendencies, I'm northern but have southern tendencies. We exist.
PatTheCatMcDonald@reddit
I have met people who insist the North begins at Watford.
Some people really are that stand off and up their own backsides.
Ok_Music253@reddit
Always joke about Londoners who think you need a passport to go outside the M25
Karloss_93@reddit
In my head the 'south' starts once they stop putting gravy on chips in the chippy. I reckon it's probably somewhere around Milton Keynes.
1901pies@reddit
Mind you, that's actually Watford Gap, which is not quite the same thing...
OppositeWrong1720@reddit
Cambridgeshire absolutely. Peterborough v Cambridge it's stark.
Thomasinarina@reddit
I always forget Peterborough is in Cambridgeshire.
Kind_Ad5566@reddit
We try to š
Ok_Music253@reddit
Come back to Northamptonshire where you belong šš¤Ŗ
Greeninexile@reddit
Go North of St Ives and the county turns to shit basically.
South Cambs feels like Herts and North Herts feels more like Lincolnshire.
pm_me_boobs_pictures@reddit
In northern Ireland. Yes thanks to the feckin english
f1boogie@reddit
It would appear that you don't know what a county is.
thecockmeister@reddit
Went for the first time last year and it really was noticeable where you were in the north based on the density of Union Flags. Could almost use it as a compass to find Belfast if needed, it was that strong a pattern.
pm_me_boobs_pictures@reddit
Union flags mean it's either a unionist aka protestant community. The nationalists never done much flegging in the past but are starting to get into it more now so you'll see Republic tricolours there
thecockmeister@reddit
Yeah, we did see a bit of that, especially around Derry.
Was interesting that almost all tourist tat shops had tricolours rather than union flags. Clearly there's at least a move amongst the tourism industry to lean into it all being Ireland, rather than selling souvenirs based on having visited the northern bit.
Pilot44778@reddit
North of Ireland............
unseemly_turbidity@reddit
So Donegal then?
Pilot44778@reddit
Rathlin.....
Ill_Dragonfruit_3442@reddit
Northern Ireland isn't a countyĀ
brithuman@reddit
It was years ago, move on mate
pm_me_boobs_pictures@reddit
Trying to English still won't let it go
LordMogroth@reddit
English would have let NI go decades ago if we could. It's a net drain on the economy.
pm_me_boobs_pictures@reddit
Nah. They should have done but they never will unless comoelled
Thisoneissfwihope@reddit
The South were offered it in the 40s, they said no.
pm_me_boobs_pictures@reddit
Nope that's a lie
Kobbett@reddit
It's long been stated that Eire was offered NI during WW2 in exchange for use of the Treaty Ports.
ancientestKnollys@reddit
Churchill also told the Irish Ambassador post-WW2 he wanted Ireland to be untied.
brithuman@reddit
The majority of Northern Irish according to surveys do not want a unified Ireland. Also you support an English team mate, can't hate them that much
pm_me_boobs_pictures@reddit
I also speak English because my language was stolen from me
Oh the humanity. Who says I don't follow a northern Irish team?
Kind_Ad5566@reddit
" I also speak English because my language was stolen from me"
Come on.
It's been 100 years.
You could have learnt by now.
tmr89@reddit
Exactly. Thereās been so much time. I guess there isnāt the hunger or interest to learn it
pm_me_boobs_pictures@reddit
True but I'm also lazy
Kind_Ad5566@reddit
I'm glad you took that in the way it was intended.
I nearly added a /s just in case.
pm_me_boobs_pictures@reddit
I'm on the Internet chatting shit. If I get offended by piss taking I deserve to have the piss take out of me
benjm88@reddit
Allowing ni to decide its own future when it wants isn't letting go?
Similar_Quiet@reddit
It's up to the people of northern Ireland, very few of which I'd consider to be English.
douggieball1312@reddit
And the Scots who planted Ulster 400 years ago. But don't let that get in the way of your 'Celtic Union' bollocks.
pm_me_boobs_pictures@reddit
Fuck the scots
fezzuk@reddit
Scottish*
idontlikemondays321@reddit
Iāve said the same thing as you and had an Irish person bite my head off before on here
Deadend_Friend@reddit
That's not a county. The biggest example in norn Ireland would be the difference between North and South Armagh
theperfectdrug0@reddit
Denbighshire - The North is very anglicised, more densely populated and English speaking including towns like Rhyl and Prestatyn vs the south which is much more rural, mountainous and primary Welsh speaking including towns like Denbigh and Ruthin. The A55 which runs across does a good job at dividing the two sections.
Finifin06@reddit
Kent, definitely a divide, South and West vs North and East, one is āposhā and the other is ex coal mining/industrial.
PenlyWarfold@reddit
Iād actually say thereās 3 bands to Essex. South, as you said with Bas, Southend, Brentwood & possibly billericay. Central (Chelmsford, Harlow, Maldon, Witham) North being anything past Witham & kelvedon.
paprikustjornur@reddit
Please donāt lump brentwood in with Bas and Southend! Are we really so bad?
Drive-like-Jehu@reddit
I grew up in Ingatestone- Brentwood is definitely south Essex, it feels like characterless London overspill
paprikustjornur@reddit
Iāll certainly agree with the characterless! The high street is dead now
PenlyWarfold@reddit
Iād say itās more guilty by association. I moved away from Brentwood/shenfield in ā04 & havenāt been back in nearly as long.
If weāre going purely geographically, then yes. Culturally, borderline.
Thereās yet another way to complicate & stoke division further though. ā¦The A12 Corridor & then The Rest. Ha
bengreen04@reddit
Good point. Iām from Kelvedon and feel more like Iām from the north than central area, but thatās largely because I went to school in Colchester so am much more familiar with it - it could be placed in either category really.
Is the Tendring area arguably even a fourth distinct region?
jimbo8083@reddit
Probably, Harwich is different to saffron Walden
SWLondonLady@reddit
Middlesex. I live in borough of Richmond. Wouldnāt like to venture to the mid to north London bits of Middlesex if I can help it. Possibly the craziest county.
Drive-like-Jehu@reddit
Middlesex no longer existsā¦
SWLondonLady@reddit
I havenāt been wiped off the planet and thereās no weird black hole around west London! Well it is a postal county anyway. And used in sport. Does that qualify?
Drive-like-Jehu@reddit
Sorry, no! Middlesex is just part of London now and back in Anglo-Saxon times it was part of the Kingdom of Essex. So, quite a short-lived county.
Karloss_93@reddit
Leicestershire.
The difference between the county and the city is pretty big. Within 5 miles of leaving an area of high deprivation in the city you can be in a significantly affluent village.
catmadwoman@reddit
Oh dear, what a snobby take. I'm posher than you lot.
Wonderful-Cow-9664@reddit
No. But it has got a vomit inducing āwagā section that the rest of the county wants nothing to do with
Gatecrasher1234@reddit
I lived in North Essex for over 45 years. There is very much a north-south divide.
Now in Wiltshire. We have Swindon and Rural Wiltshire.
Jack-Rabbit-002@reddit
The problem I have with the North and South divide is people not understanding the fact that I'm a Brummie and that actually makes me a Midlander and not a Northerner it says so on the map West Midlands š
You be North you be South I'll be the Middle
fezzuk@reddit
The UK must be the most Petty country on the planet when it comes to tribalism. I swear most of us can get it down to street Vs street.
I absolutely hate it
harryb4321@reddit
Totally agree honestly itās pathetic, classic narcissism of small differences
kestrelita@reddit
I'm in the West Midlands - yes, it's a county as well as a region. Yes, it's very confusing. We have a north, south, east and west divide, we're basically split into 7 parts!
Best-Swan-2412@reddit
I too am from the West Midlands, definitely has a lot of different parts!
kestrelita@reddit
I feel like I spend a lot of time correcting people as well. No, I don't live in Warwickshire...
Best-Swan-2412@reddit
Iām from Sutton Coldfield and I think it used to be part of Warwickshire before it was made part of Birmingham, and my mum still refuses to accept that itās now Birmingham! We write West Midlands on the address too.
kestrelita@reddit
Haha, I feel you. I get comments like 'Coventry's not part of Warwickshire? Since when?' Oh, only since 1974!
mediocrityindepth@reddit
I live in Buckinghamshire. It's astonishingly consistent top to bottom.
Drive-like-Jehu@reddit
Isnāt Buckinghamshire quite small?
mediocrityindepth@reddit
It's larger than people think but, yes, it's not exactly Yorkshire sized.
blainy-o@reddit
Yeah I'd say that's a pretty accurate assessment. MK is maybe a bit of an outlier in some ways but in a lot of others, the 3 main towns in Bucks are all pretty similar.
crb11@reddit
Not a N/S split between Milton Keynes and the rest? Or are you pretending it's not part of you? (I would.)
mediocrityindepth@reddit
Not really- I'd not say MK isn't adrift of Aylesbury, bits of Wycombe etc
KilmarnockDave@reddit
As a resident of Tyne and Wear; nope, not that I can think of.Ā
Superb-Eggplant3676@reddit
No. In Devon everyone is wonderful wherever you go.Ā
Educational-Angle717@reddit
Its more east v west. I'm east but basically once you pass the tamar you're in cornwall, Plymouths a dive.
Superb-Eggplant3676@reddit
Truth. We're in the East too
captainfirestar@reddit
They're wonderful but they're strange up north Devon
Superb-Eggplant3676@reddit
Them Okehampton lot
Sil_Lavellan@reddit
Northamptonshire has an East West divide for those of us who live in it. That and we're all biased against Corby.
Most of the rest of Britain is totally oblivious to our existence.
Delicious_Link6703@reddit
Chelmsford woman here and I totally agree. My question for you - is āourā Essex in East Anglia ?
Drive-like-Jehu@reddit
No, I think mid-Essex towns like Chelmsford feel different to South Essex with itās āLondon overspillā feel - but they donāt feel āEast Anglianā either - I think East Anglia begins around Coggeshall, I.e near Colchester. I say this as someone who grew up in Ingatestone.
Rynewulf@reddit
Oh there are at least several old men ready to call up BBC Radio Norfolk anytime someone even accidentally suggests anything outside of Norfolk, Suffolk and the specific bits of Cambridgeshire they like are 'East Anglian'.
Personally I lived in Colchester for a while, and you would have never have known that rural half of Essex wasn't in Suffolk or Cambridgeshire.
MLMSE@reddit
Cheshire - North is full of footballers and WAGS and much more urban due to bordering Manchester. South much more rural.
dospc@reddit
Cheshire is so desperately disparate that it doesn't really have an identity.
You've got the west which orients towards Merseyside, the northeast which orients towards Manchester (this is the bit people mean when they talk about Cheshire being posh/footballers etc), Crewe in the south is a post-industrial town close (geographically and economically) to Stoke-on-Trent. The historic city of Chester is part of the aforesaid Merseyside-oriented part but also just about big enough to have its own center of gravity... most of which it exerts into North Wales.
And then there's the dairy farmers and Northwich/Middlewich stuck in the middle with the best claim to be the 'true' Cheshire but no-one really cares about them and they're unremarkable. And I haven't even mentioned the very far east (Macclesfield etc) which is actually hilly Peak District (no-one believe me when I tell them there are hills in Cheshire).
None of these bits have any cultural commonality at all. It's a Frankenstein's monster of a county.
Source: grew up there
OkDrive6454@reddit
Am from Northwich. š„² š¶ Hello darkness, my old friendā¦..š¶
MonsterMunchen@reddit
Almost perfect description.
The only thing Iād add is Winsford sat in the middle of Northwich and Middlewich being a mixed Scouse/Manc/Woolyback town because of the overspill migrants in the 60s so is a strange mix of all three.
Source: am a scouse/manc mongrel
AnonymousTimewaster@reddit
My wife is from Ellesmere Port which is technically Cheshire I think (has a Cheshire postcode and next door to Cheshire Oaks) and this is 100% true. I also used to work in Altrincham and those rich people over there very much like to think of themselves as being in Cheshire.
C0nnectionTerminat3d@reddit
This is the most accurate description of Cheshire iāve ever heard.
SlightlyIncandescent@reddit
Grew up in Macclesfield and you're right. TLDR: The bit near Manchester is a bit like Manchester, the bit near Merseyside is a bit like Merseyside, the bit near Wales is a bit like Wales, the bit near Staffordshire is a bit like Staffordshire.
As a result my accent is mild Manc, I like oatcakes and going to north Wales doesn't culturally feel like I've travelled far at all.
cloche_du_fromage@reddit
One of me best friends, he comes from Macc....
IpromithiusI@reddit
Nottinghamshire definitely does - once you get past Mansfield it might as well be Yorkshire.
idontlikemondays321@reddit
Yes. Nottingham, Mansfield and Worksop accents are all distinctively different and have some varying words. A āfuddleā exists in the city but is non-existent 10 miles away. āDuckyā turns into āDuckehā somewhere in Hucknall and a coggy and a croggy are the same thing with two different names.
bradleyd82@reddit
Coggy/croggy, giving someone a lift on the back of your pedal bike?
douggieball1312@reddit
And I grew up in Chesterfield and the local accent there manages to sound nothing like Sheffield's accent even though it's only 15 miles away.
idontlikemondays321@reddit
Chesterfield and Mansfield are also different despite being 12 miles apart. Donāt even get me started on those Peak villages
Bright-Spot5380@reddit
Chesterfield v Mansfield is one of the most bitter rivalries in the country due to the towns being on different sides of the mining strike
UncleSnowstorm@reddit
The difference in accents between Worksop and Dinnington, which is a walkable distance, is stark.
Operatornaught@reddit
Even wider than that.
I live in the West Midlands and get called a soft southerner by by guys from Mansfield which is in the East Midlands.
itsxafx@reddit
iām from within a city and noticed a difference between me (from north of the city centre, think hucknall way) and my clifton etc residing counterparts.
my mumās side of the family and me usually tend to be assumed to be from yorkshire. my partnerās family (devon, cambridgeshire?) initially picked me up as yorkshire.
the āotherā nottingham accent i find is the elongating āyā sounds. like ādaaarbeeehhhhā. i donāt really notice anyone round here doing that.
cloche_du_fromage@reddit
In Nottingham-ese, 'Derby Road' is rhyming slang for 'Cold'.
frankie_0924@reddit
Iām in Baslow, so Chesterfield/Sheffield. The N Notts/S Derbyshire sound the same to me!
itsxafx@reddit
i spend a fair amount of time in derby and i think theyāre a weird one - they definitely donāt sound like me, but more like some kind of blend. they do share some similarities from what iāve heard with nottingham but iāve not yet heard these elongated āyā sounds that seem to be fairly common here yet.
my partnerās from derby and his accent iād say is generally southern. bath/grass are definitely interchangeable for him, but this is probably more a result of picking it up from his parents.
No_Potato_4341@reddit
I find it weird how rough North Nottinghamshire can feel compared to South Nottinghamshire.
douggieball1312@reddit
North Nottingham also has the Dukeries/Clumber Park though. Patches of niceness in between all the industrial decline.
No_Potato_4341@reddit
Yeah that's true. And there is also Retford in North Nottinghamshire which is a nice town imo.
mrafinch@reddit
There is a clear divide between the Norf and Suff⦠I grew up on the border between the two.
The Suffolk are right rummens but the Norfolk are just as baaaahmy buh.
hawkeye2604@reddit
I am 39 years and 364 days old and this is the first time I've realised that it's North Folk and South Folk š¤¦š¼āāļø
aDragonfruit@reddit
wait til you hear about wessex and essex
bradleyd82@reddit
I always wondered where the "missing" ones were, norsex, effolk, midlfolk and weffolk
GreatBigBagOfNope@reddit
We's Sex, 'E's Sex and Suspect Sex
idkhbtfound-sabrina@reddit
middlesex erasure š
Nipso@reddit
Happy birthday!
hawkeye2604@reddit
Haha thanks
-qqqwwweeerrrtttyyy-@reddit
That makes 2 of us!
_Sad_Ken_@reddit
I'm in Yorkshire. North is very rural; The Dales & Moors for example.
West has pockets of country but built up a lot... Ditto South.
I mean, the traditional ridings and modern counties have compass directions built in
VodkaMargarine@reddit
That's kinda cheating with North/South Yorkshire because they are actually independent counties.
South Yorkshire for example does have its own north south divide, urbanites in the south and yokels in the north.
_Sad_Ken_@reddit
Fair point. Taking West Yorkshire specifically, the Leeds Bradford conurbation is distinct from Calderdale to the west.
Yorkshire_Roast@reddit
Even Calderdale has its variations in terms of wealth distribution. You have some quote poor areas I North Halifax and pockets of wealth in Hebden Bridge, Norwood Green and Northowram.
aje0200@reddit
See Iām in North Yorkshire and Iād say we have an east west divide on the A1. Iām on the east side and know the areas all to the east and basically nothing to the west.
_Sad_Ken_@reddit
I see that. Richmond, Bedale & Settle are very different to Malton, Pickering & Whitby...but that's Dales v Moors as well.
Yorkshire as a whole I'm considering those versus the Leeds Bradford Dewsbury Wakefield conurbation
aje0200@reddit
Yes, I live around the group, and would be completely lost in Richmond, Bedale, and Settle
DucksBac@reddit
Definitely. I'm also NY though now living in WY.
North North Yorkshire is different to South North Yorkshire, which has more in common with Leeds and York/Selby.
The West and East sides of North Yorkshire are distinct, also. SE NY more York, N NE more rural Moors. NW NY super rural, SW NY, more satellite towns.
Love all of it. Have lived in all of it except Scarborough area, where my Dad's family are all from. I've been in the centre of Leeds and a hamlet in Coverdale, plus everything in-between. Yes, I'm oldš
pakcross@reddit
Waves from the west of North Yorkshire
This is a fucking ridiculous county. It's near enough 100 miles from my house on the west of North Yorkshire, to places like Whitby on the east. There are literally geographical changes as you get out of the Pennines and go east towards the flat vale of York.
ambadawn@reddit
Why no mention of East Yorkshire?
miemcc@reddit
The North stands!,,, Even if you are a bunch of losers to the Reivers...
Spottyjamie@reddit
Yep, cumbria has a north vs west vs south with eden valley on its own
Djave_Bikinus@reddit
Cumbria was literally two counties until the 1970s.
CareerMilk@reddit
And it is again⦠for some definitions.
aurora_ethereallight@reddit
No North South divid that I'm aware of. There are rival football teams but that's about it.
Duck_Person1@reddit
Surrey gets more Londony as you go north until literally merging with London in the form of Kingston
Background-Badger793@reddit
I'm from Tyne and Wear and there's definitely a divide
Clarkie_8@reddit
Kent has more of a towns & cities vs rural divide.
The rural parts being more like North Essex and the towns & cities being more like South Essex, in comparison to your example.
tmr89@reddit
Definitely a north south divide with the northern coastal/estuary towns vs the Weald in the south
Namelessbob123@reddit
100%. Itās urban and deprived vs. Rural and affluent
cloche_du_fromage@reddit
We went to Faversham and had a lovely time...
Thought nearby Sittingbourne sounded nice.
JFC..
Clarkie_8@reddit
Can confirm - Sittingbourne is not for the faint hearted.
cloche_du_fromage@reddit
Indeed. Although the back lanes around Conyer are one of the prettiest bits of the south of England I've seen. Orchards, hop fields, real Darling Buds of May stuff.
madMARTINmarsh@reddit
Even my relatively small town has a north-south divide. The southern part is a fair bit poorer than the northern part. A reversal of the wider country.
chroniccomplexcase@reddit
Kent has more a west/ east divide
cloche_du_fromage@reddit
Margate > Broadstairs > Ramsgate is always an interesting cultural journey.
chroniccomplexcase@reddit
I used to teach French and so organised many trips over to France/ French exchanges. One school saw we had Margate/ ramsgate a close drive to the ferry terminal and so wanted to spend the morning there before getting a late evening ferry back. Trying to explain how it would be different to their experience (students were staying in Tunbridge Wells, Sevenoaks, Tonbridge and surrounding villages and had been on trips to london, Hever castle and Canterbury) to the other places we had visited. I donāt think the teachers understood until we got there (Margate) and the first thing we saw as they were getting off the coach was a woman injecting herself with drugs surrounded by a group clearly high on either drugs and or alcohol- clearly living on the streets. I guess we gave both the French and English students a lesson in how different parts of the UK can be that day! They did enjoy themselves on the beach with fish and chips and playing in the arcades etc but getting off the bus summed up what I was trying to explain.
Jose_out@reddit
How have you divided north and south? Harlow is further north than Chelmsford and Brentwood.
Also, Colchester posh? Lol
JavaRuby2000@reddit
No it has a Luton and everywhere else divide.
emmylouanne@reddit
North Down is both incredibly affluent and has some of the highest rates of deprivation in the UK. It is very unionist but with a growing āotherā community. South Down is very much a nationalist area with a lot of tourism - home of Royal County Down golf course, Mourne mountains and lots of lovely beaches. South is more rural.
Kat8844@reddit
Surrey, I donāt really feel like it does tbh.
trysca@reddit
Definitely Devon does, I don't think I've ever been to the north coast. But the posher part is definitely the east.
fussyfella@reddit
Suffolk does not really have a North/South divide, more an East/West one with the East (well Ipswich) considering the West (Bury and Newmarket) as a bit posh. Sometimes North Essex and the border areas are considered honorary Suffolk as the timbered towns and villages are so similar: I mean somewhere like Dunmow clearly looks like it ought to have a Suffolk address.
Kent has a formal divide with the River Medway being the border with north of that people considered Kentish Men and Women, south of it Men and Women of Kent. Most the shitty areas are long the estuary though and cross the divide, with Dover doing its best to main shit town status on the Channel coast. Really the divide is more about is it a shitty area or a posh one.
Klossomfawn@reddit
Not really, all of Staffordshire is pretty awful.
No_Potato_4341@reddit
So Lichfield is awful? Along with Uttoxeter, Leek, Stone and even Stafford?
Klossomfawn@reddit
Well...yeah.
No_Potato_4341@reddit
I'm disagreeing with that mate. I think Staffordshire is a great county. The only place I've been that I thought was awful in Staffordshire is Stoke.
BaronMerc@reddit
Well in north west mids you've got the shit holes of north Brum, the black country and Wolverhampton
The south of the west mids you got Solihull and the shit holes known as Coventry and south Brum
Don't think there's much of a divide
TazzTamoko77@reddit
Iād like to think not but maybe it has more than that now itās got and east west and a way you look and if you work divide šš
Conscious-Cup-6776@reddit
I grew up in Denbighshire.
North Denbighshire- Rhyl/Prestatyn. Rhyl is a tip, although Prestatyn is decent. Still very popular with tourists.
South Denbighshire is very lush and green, absolutely beautiful. Southern Denbighshire consists of Denbigh, Ruthin, Corwen and Llangollen. Denbigh moors border with Conwy, itās a hinterland up there.
You wouldnāt blame anyone for looking at North and south Denbighshire and thinking they were different counties!
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MattGeddon@reddit
Pfft, we all know that Corwen is rightfully part of Meirionnydd.
Conscious-Cup-6776@reddit
Youāre right ! Iām old enough to remember Clwyd, which originally had Flint :)
TheOrthinologist@reddit
I'm in Somerset. If we're allowed to count Bath, there's a significant north-south divide. Other than that, there's pockets of affluence and pockets of deprivation.
TheDoctor66@reddit
South Somerset might as well be a different place to me. The roads between north and south are shite, Frome and Bruton might as well be a different planet than the supposed county town of Taunton.Ā
Travel time always gets me too, from Porlock to Frome could easily take you 3 hours at peak times without ever leaving the county
TheOrthinologist@reddit
Yep. I grew up in Yeovil and now live in an affluent village in a different part of Somerset. The difference is night and day.
Ridebreaker@reddit
Gloucestershire here ... probably more an east/west divide really with the Severn being the border. Forest of Dean on the west side with its old mining towns and on the east are the larger and richer towns and villages rising up to the chocolate box Cotswolds.
shaun056@reddit
Bristol does. North/South of the river.
cgknight1@reddit
Yes - North and South Shropshire.
FaithlessnessEast55@reddit
Sussex has a coast/inland divide I think. Mostly built up Brighton suburbs vs countryside
JudgeStandard9903@reddit
I think there is a bit of a coast/countryside divided in Sussex but I also feel whilst the county is split East and West Sussex, there is a central belt running north from Brighton. East of the central belt (im rhinking east of Lewes/Eastbourne) is a very different vibe to the central and western part - you feel more of a traditional Sussex identity present which is different to the central/western area which is more built up and more like any other home county. I grew up in Mid Sussex near Brighton and now live very much in the east and it feels different here. I know less about the further west but I always feels like the further west feels a bit more like an indistinguishable home county vibe.
Just_Top_Deck_Lethal@reddit
Here we go again. Another unnecessarily stereotypical, classist topic that sews evermore division and finger pointing from haughty philistines.Ā We're all in this country together, please try to do better.Ā
drplokta@reddit
North Flintshire is on the coast (mostly the Dee estuary rather than sea) and is populated and industrial. South Flintshire is inland, hilly and rural.
MahatmaAndhi@reddit
Pretty sure the folks in Cambridge want absolutely nothing to do with the bastard step-child of Cambridgeshire, Peterborough.
AppletheGreat87@reddit
Can confirm, Peterborough is a dump, and they even start to sound like they're Midlands.
No_Potato_4341@reddit
North Cambridgeshire is definitely much more deprived than South Cambridgeshire.
PorkSwordFight@reddit
Aberdeenshire: south and west of the city are more affluent with Stonehaven, Banchory and Deeside and have a much softer accent than the North and North West.
The south side also seems more progressive with the north side being a lot further behind that curve (read racist/bigotted in the same way that older generations may use incorrect and offensive terms to describe gay people, pakistanis, chinese takeaways etc).
Rhydsdh@reddit
I don't even know what county I live in.
PM_ME_VAPORWAVE@reddit
Dorset has one in terms of how rural it is, maybe not one that is economical though
Eastern_Bit_9279@reddit
My home town did , north of the river the beer doubled in price and the shops and cafes all went up market.Ā
chaos_jj_3@reddit
Berkshire is East/West. The East is made up of an almost continuous urban area containing the large towns of Maidenhead, Slough, Wokingham and Bracknell, and affluent suburbs like Windsor and Ascot.
Then there's Reading in the middle.
Everything west of that is basically fields and villages, except for Newbury.
Feeling_Pen_8579@reddit
London.Ā
South is a mysterious land of known danger, West is what my misses thought she was moving to when she wanted to live with me, North is what she had, East is what she got.
anotheraccount4stuf@reddit
Apparently I'm a northern essexer then.
Have never thought of it as a north/south divide, more of a shit hole/not shit hole divide
enjoi_baggy@reddit
I've never consciously thought of it either, but having moved from Southend to Colchester, I welcome it!
Remote-Pool7787@reddit
It depends what you consider my county to be. The ceremonial county is Northumberland, which stretches from Berwick to Newcastle. The north being very rural, the south being a highly (de)industrialised, working class city. However the modern region is Tyne and Wear. Which is Newcastle in the north and Sunderland in the south. Iām not sure you can get a bigger divide than that!
Illustrious_Buy3777@reddit
I live in County Durham but it's a Newcastle post code; there's literally a sign at the end of my village saying 'Welcome to Gateshead'.
When I tell people in live in Durham, they start talking about all these places I've never been to. So, I just say I live "near Newcastle".
lardarz@reddit
Burnopfield?
Illustrious_Buy3777@reddit
I daren't say.
Remote-Pool7787@reddit
People donāt seem to understand that Newcastle doesnāt have a south
miemcc@reddit
Nope! You are still a Suffolk Conehead ;)
emergencyparsnips@reddit
Educational attainment is evidently not a strength in North Essex, even if it āfeels way more posherā.
No-Collection-4931@reddit
I don't understand why this troubles you.
PooCube@reddit
Nah here in Trowbridge itās every man for himself
SirScoaf@reddit
Also north essexer and completely agree. Iām right on the Suffolk border so as n as an essexer can get in Essex.
bradleyd82@reddit
Lincolnshire, on the whole the south is flat as fuck, and the north has hills
ZimbabweSaltCo@reddit
North also feels a bit more industrial with Scunthorpe and Grimsby/Immingham. That and the abrupt shift from the hilly parts of the wolds to barren flatlands makes it the divide feel quite real.
No_Potato_4341@reddit
The east side is also more deprived than the west side.
bradleyd82@reddit
Very true (i grew up at roughly the cross roads, where north Kesteven meets Boston borough and east Lindsey, and yeah, to the west of the Witham, river, east, deprived, north hilly south flat
Lidlpalli@reddit
You type like you're from Essex.
AutomaticInitiative@reddit
Lancashire it's not really north-south or east-west. Just a sea of poverty and deprivation with islands of the not poor.
NinjafoxVCB@reddit
As someone who lives in Suffolk, I'd say there is actually more of a East - West divide
cloche_du_fromage@reddit
Bury St Edmunds is one of the posher towns I've visited.
stevebaescemi@reddit
With Essex, not only do you have that north/south divide, but also the east/west as well, especially in the south. The towns just on the outskirts of London have a different feel to those further away.
cloche_du_fromage@reddit
Tilbury /Grays is possibly the bleakest place I've been to in England. And I like visiting grotty areas.
BigFluff_LittleFluff@reddit
I love in Merseyside.
Every town hates every other town, especially the rugby league towns.
Hell, most towns hate the other half of the town.
schmoovebaby@reddit
Can confirm, my family is from St Helens š
cloche_du_fromage@reddit
I've been to Billinge
Confudled_Contractor@reddit
The A127 even exists just to divide the nice bit from the other bit. š
cloche_du_fromage@reddit
Braintree must be like cold war Berlin....
Confudled_Contractor@reddit
We do not speak of Braintreeā¦
witchypoo63@reddit
Iād say the A12, Wickford is north of the 127
Confudled_Contractor@reddit
As are Billericay, Stock, Ingatestone, Brentwood, Maldon, all the Dengie Peninsula, you go too far Sir!
A127 is less contentious.
Confudled_Contractor@reddit
As are Billericay, Stock, Ingatestone, Brentwood, Maldon, all the Dengie Peninsula, you go too far Sir!
A127 is less contentious.
cloche_du_fromage@reddit
Below the A13 is positively 3rd world.
witchypoo63@reddit
Too true
NikkiJane72@reddit
You know that's funny. I consider north Essex to be anywhere north of the A120. Might be influenced by living in Silver End for nearly 20 years. I think the character and landscape really change once you get past there.
cloche_du_fromage@reddit
I live in Chelmsford and do a lot of cycling.
Definitely a big change north of the A120. Suddenly you're not in commuter belt any more. Roads much quieter and landscape a lot less developed.
From Chelmsford it's virtually impossible to cycle further south than Wickford / Basildon as well. Although it's only about 20 miles away I've never been to Southend on my bike
Elegant_Plantain1733@reddit
I think it can vary within those divides to be fair. I haven't heard anyone consider Clacton as posher than Leigh on Sea, Thorpe Bay or even Benfleet.
Sea-Still5427@reddit
Suffolk. We don't really have a geographical divide. It's more Ipswich and Lowestoft then the rest of us.
Bjornhattan@reddit
My modern (and somewhat artificial) county sort of does. We have Newcastle and Whitley Bay to the north and Sunderland and Houghton le Spring to the south. There is some poverty in Newcastle (though not in the north of the city, mostly that's Gosforth which is well to do), and some affluent bits to Sunderland (but that has its own north-south divide; Seaburn, Roker, and Fulwell are the main nice bits to Sunderland and they're all in a little northern corner of town!).
Durham doesn't really though in the same way, it's basically city versus everything else. No matter which definition of the county you use (there are about three or four) you'll struggle to find one half better off than the other.
Northumberland though? Textbook divided county. The South East? Blyth, Bedlington, Ashington - that's all very deprived and ex mining or ex industrial. The rest of the county in the north and west is mostly small rural towns which tend to have less poverty. There's even a band separating the two - Amble, Morpeth, Cramlington - which is sort of intermediate status: these aren't necessarily well off but they're much more middle class and socially mixed than somewhere like Ashington.
No_Potato_4341@reddit
No. I live in South Yorkshire and most of it is just a cesspit of crime and poverty sadly. Having said that though there are some nice villages to the west of Barnsley and South of Donny and Rotherham.
geoakey@reddit
Iād say there is a bit of a cultural difference between Barnsley/Dearne Valley and Doncaster to the north and Sheffield and Rotherham to the south. The former seems more attached to Yorkshire as a whole but Sheffield seems a bit more culturally isolated.
No_Potato_4341@reddit
Yeah that's true actually. Barnsley's accent feels stronger as well.
bannanawaffle13@reddit
Nah then cock what thee kalling on abat. nowt strong abart Tarn's accent.
SnooBooks1701@reddit
Yes, it's called Crawley
Reetgeist@reddit
Mate my city had a north south divide let alone the county
_FreddieLovesDelilah@reddit
No, we just have the Welsh vs the English (who seem to forget whose country theyāre in!).
SlightlyIncandescent@reddit
I live in Lancashire and I'm going to say no actually. Lancashire seems relatively unified in this respect.
AdAggressive9224@reddit
Not at all, I live in Ceredigion, and all the 'money' is basically whoever owns the land with a wind turbine on. There's some quite wealthy people in Cardigan and Aberystwyth, but they are always new money moving in... Or corrupt ex council types that scammed the taxpayer. Oh, and there's a number of wealthy musicians that live in and around artists valley/ Mach.
Elliementals@reddit
Quite literally, since I live in Northern Ireland.
Thestolenone@reddit
West Yorkshire is sort of divided between the hillier, mill based areas to the West and North and the lower land coalmine based areas to the South and East. While the coalmine based areas are run down and disadvantaged I do think the mill areas are grimmer and more soulless.
ThefaceofBoeshane@reddit
My city does - Liverpool
vicarofsorrows@reddit
Lancashireās East-West.
Lancaster, Garstang, Preston folk are normal.
Go out to Nelson, Burnley or Blackburn and be prepared for a shock⦠And the accent!! š
abgc161@reddit
Iām from Stoke, there is a huge difference from south Staffordshire
RonSwaffle@reddit
Tyne and Wear, so yes very much so (Newcastle vs Sunderland).
Billy_Daftcunt@reddit
Beyond those two cities. North of the Tyne can go and shag the Saudis.
South of the Tyne = Durham (God's country), as is tradition.
thecockmeister@reddit
Still plenty of manhole covers about to tell you where you really are
peekachou@reddit
I think wiltshire is just Wiltshire and Swindon rather than north/south
Interesting_Try8375@reddit
South, North, ~~shithole~~ ~~Swindon~~ shithole.
Fwoggie2@reddit
Ipswich reporting in, what are you trying to infer here? š
rdu3y6@reddit
Hampshire, the North is semi-rural London commuter belt while the South is more urban with Southampton and Portsmouth forming their own commuter belt. Then there's the Isle of Wight!
Interesting_Try8375@reddit
Southampton to Portsmouth seems like endless urban development. I moved to Gosport a few years ago, looking at a map depresses me when I want to find countryside to walk to. There isn't much without going North of the motoway.
At least the beach goes on for many miles, and sometimes southern water haven't dropped shit on it.
i-am-a-passenger@reddit
West Midlands, so no. There is the middle, and then fuck all.
Bronyaur_5tomp@reddit
I live in London, so yes. Probably not as bad as the East/West divide though.
-qqqwwweeerrrtttyyy-@reddit
It's more like North & West vs. South & East
CapriSonnet@reddit
Not that I'm aware of, unless I'm just out of the loop. From Belfast.
semicombobulated@reddit
The north end of Merseyside is full of crotchety old people who insist that they live in Lancashire; the south end of Merseyside is full of crotchety old people who insist that they live in Cheshire.
_WhatSheSaid_@reddit
Same in Greater Manchester š
afcote1@reddit
Yes, Herefordshire has. The south feels more Welsh.
yellowswans@reddit
Warwickshire here. Yes it's absolutely massive.
wulf357@reddit
To be fair, Warwickshire is pretty well split across the middle by the West Midlands?
No_Potato_4341@reddit
South Warwickshire much more affluent than North Warwickshire.
Jahacker@reddit
If there is an east to west river there is always a divide. Living in Bristol I've always looked down on the south of the riverers :)
GeordieAl@reddit
Northumberland, more of an angular divide separating the industrial south east corner of Blyth, Ashington, Lynemouth from the rural/farming/coastal areas that run from north east to south west
geeered@reddit
Having lived in that area - I'd suggest that 'posh' is very much on relative to other parts of Essex!
Do_not_use_after@reddit
Derbyshire has rivers and flood plains to the south. North Derbyshire is peaks, dales and prominent rocks all over the place.
beccaboobear14@reddit
Originally from Hertfordshire we didnāt use north/south there. Now live in north Dorset, and itās used here a lot.
ElectricalPick9813@reddit
Wiltshire has a big empty space in the middle, Salisbury Plain which extends to some 300 square miles, with Swindon/Chippenham/Malmesbury/Trowbridge in the north and Salisbury/Amesbury/Warminster in the south.
One_Lobster_7454@reddit
In oxfordshire you notice a difference in people the closer you go to Wiltshire, much more farmery vibe, but a more working class farmer vibe compared to north ox/cotswolds chipping Norton set world
TescoValueJam@reddit
Omg yes, bucks is, by itās shape built for a north south ādivideā but itās more that everything above stoke mandeville just isnāt cool. The cool kids table is children hills and below. Bite me.
Kind_Ad5566@reddit
Well, I used to live in North Essex, and moved 2 miles further North into Cambridgeshire where I am now.
thatscotbird@reddit
I live in central Scotland in between Edinburgh & Glasgow, thereās a bit of a divide, but only in the sense that youāre either slightly more Glaswegian or slightly more Edinburgh. Our accents are definitely unique, itās a blend of west coast and east coast. But my county isnāt big enough to have major differences otherwise. Itās a collection of a bunch of working class towns with the only āruralā parts being the farms on the backroads between towns.
PatTheCatMcDonald@reddit
It's more of an city in the corner with market towns everywhere else apart from a moorland area on one edge.
So no, more of a crumpled up handkerchief.
Funmachine@reddit
Merseyside has a Liverpool City Vs every other council zone divide, except St. Helens because the people who think that way forget St. Helens is part of Merseyside.
CuriousNowDead@reddit
East / West. Supposedly from whether the eastern winds blew factory smoke in your direction
FL8JT26@reddit
Berkshire. Not a proper ānorth-south divideā but Slough is North of Windsor and Ascot. Think that passes!
a1edjohn@reddit
Pembrokeshire. The divide is so stark there's even a named line for it, the Landsker line https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landsker_Line
isabellelaneldn@reddit
Not a thing
arabella_2k24@reddit
Tyne and Wear. If you take out the Geordie-Mackem rivalry that transcends all borders, thereās not much of a difference anywhere. Thereās just not the space for such a divide
MrSMT88@reddit
How about a North, Central and South divide?
I live in Stafford (central) where we have the Stokies to the north and Cannock with all the yam yams to the south.
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