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Posted by BBtheboy@reddit | greentext | View on Reddit | 402 comments
Endeav0r_@reddit
The fucking devs recommend you to have 32 gigs of ram to run the game. THIRTY-TWO. What kind of fucking optimization mess did they do to recommend THIRTY-TWO GIGS OF RAM?
AgentSkidMarks@reddit
No one optimizes their games anymore, which is weird since we're in the middle of a big push for all digital. You'd think now that people have to store the entire game's data on their device that devs would be more considerate of storage.
ThrowRAplutonium@reddit
I know hating on Nintendo is the cool thing to do right now, but they do a good job optimizing and compressing their games. The fact that Xenoblade X’s open world that’s bigger than BotW can fit in 12 GB (even less than it was when it came out on Wii U) is pretty impressive. TotK being 18 GB is pretty insane too with all the mechanical complexity on top of its huge world.
nyaasgem@reddit
Yes it's not hard to make a game with graphics straight from 2004 to be small and run well on modern hardware.
CamBaren@reddit
This is like the only comment I’ve come across in this thread so far that actually acknowledges the fact that, no, games aren’t optimized at all anymore. Devs really don’t spend the time, because they kinda don’t have to. It’s lazy.
SalvationSycamore@reddit
Past a certain point it's a waste of time though. I don't want them spending months to cut 10gb off a game. Multi-terabyte hard drives are dirt cheap. I want the devs to fix bugs and make new games.
Nuez_05@reddit
Who says they can't do both?
UnacceptableUse@reddit
Games are too complicated and the team sizes involved are already massive, past a certain point you're getting diminishing returns by putting more work into it.
xMobby@reddit
money
Nuez_05@reddit
We're talking about multi million dollar companies here, it's never about the money, it's greed
xMobby@reddit
yes... greed for money. tf kinda point is that lol
SalvationSycamore@reddit
At the same time? For little to no benefit to anyone with a modern computer?
ProfessorHund@reddit
I completely agree.
b1ackenergy@reddit
Have you ever tried to push your management to allow for some time to refactor or optimize stuff?
Companies are all about profit, indie devs are all about not starving to death before early access release and about not losing the whole audience when no new exciting stuff is released for a month after.
It’s always about economy :(
NullHypothesisCicada@reddit
Optimization isn’t about squeezing a 4k sweaty booba texture to 20kb, it’s about how it performs on your device so that your computer won’t crumple itself just by loading it.
If you’re gonna have tens of thousands of hi-res texture and polygons in your game, it’s gonna take up a lot of storage space, no matter what.
Space_Socialist@reddit
Nope there is absolutely tonnes of optimisations you just aren't aware of it. If you remade the Oblivion remaster with the techniques used in the original and none developed since the game would not run. Developers almost constantly optimise their games to the best of their ability but tight development cycles often mean it isn't done as much as it could be.
As for why games are so big nowadays it's because compressed files are really expensive to uncompress. You cannot do it at runtime without constant several second lag spikes. If done before runtime loading could take potentially 20-30 minutes to load which isn't acceptable. It also brings up the problem of the space is going to be taken up anyway. You cannot use compressed 3D models or compressed textures. So when you load up the game a huge amount of space is suddenly going to be taken up as the game has to uncompress the files. If you don't have enough space or there is a error during this process it can cause lots of bugs.
The_Shittiest_Meme@reddit
its part of a monopolization tactic by game companies to force you to choose what games you play. Large sizes means you have less games installed.
Secure-Stick-4679@reddit
When will dev studios learn that games that can only be played on the top 25% of computers will only have 25% of their expected playerbase
cluckay@reddit
It is currently literally #1 top-selling game on Steam with 82% positive reviews, so never.
ii_throwayway_ii@reddit
Wtf, what currency is this? It's like 80AUD, why am I paying so much :(
Fat-Mammoth@reddit
saketho@reddit
is that 50$ inclusive of tax?
nyaasgem@reddit
murican detected
saketho@reddit
I’m from the uk, and here, by law, price must be displayed inclusive of taxes. but lots of american prices are listed before taxes. (it’s left up to the businesses)
But online marketplaces typically include tax to just show final price to the customer, so i was wondering how it works for the US store.
DoJ-Mole@reddit
Crazy thing is it’s also £50 in the uk on steam, which is $66.5. But I got it on cdkeys for £38
gami13@reddit
in poland it's $65, we may be earning less but at least we are paying higher prices
Noamias@reddit
Why can't we move on and all share currencies, language, names and sexual partners
Prestigious-Bit-6548@reddit
Step 1: Don’t be Australian
dealy__@reddit
I dunno, our dollar is gonna get more and more fucked with that oompa loompa in power lol I hope our country eases up a bit off trynna suck his cock lol Dutton wants to but I fortunately didn't put him as a candidate.
MalevolentDisciple@reddit
Currency conversion? The United States dollar is worth more than ours, so we pay accordingly. You are not paying more than them, its just adjusted to our rate.
Also, if your on PC theres no reason to buy off steam. Key websites are always cheaper like greenman gaming
PussyDeconstructor@reddit
Yeah, cause most people dont read the minimum requirements then they refund the game if it dosen't worl pn their machine.
Not that minimum requirements are anywhere near accurate.
Secure-Stick-4679@reddit
Im sure it's making them a fortune, but they would make even more money if they took some time optimizing the game so more people can run it
DickHz2@reddit
They hated him for he spoke the truth
Hydraxiler32@reddit
is it free for them to optimize?
gereffi@reddit
Why do you think it’s not optimized?
SchwiftySouls@reddit
what kind of shitrig do you have? I'm running it just fine on an RX580.
Bregneste@reddit
I mean, you don’t need a $2k computer to run it, you can run it on a $400 PS5.
pinkwar@reddit
Like, if you're a broke boy just say so.
Exarchii@reddit
stay poor, chud
WiggleMyTail2DG@reddit
Yeah no shit you can't run this game on your average computer used for elementary it classes, if you are down to play any kind of video games you have to invest in hardware.
CE0ofCringe@reddit
Yeah if you want to play modern games you usually use console unless you’re willing to invest in a more pricy gaming computer. Thats the whole point of a console, it’s a bit cheaper than a computer with the same performance
tukatu0@reddit
Achsually. No not at all. It just happened to be llike this because covid happened. They wanted money so they raised priced. There are no set rules.
Imagine sony increased the price of ps5s back in lockdowns by $50 every month. They probably would have gotten sued. But most importantly. They competed with xbox. If xbox was cheaper, xbox would have sold more.
There is no compeition in pc. So prices will keep going up until new ps6 comes out. Maybe the ps6 2 years from now competes with a current $3000 pc just because the pc makers said f you.
JimboLimbo07@reddit
Any kind of modern videogame, for the most part
DeadlyFreckles@reddit
True, I refunded because I wasn't getting good FPS. The original still holds up anyway.
marcushendersen@reddit
What kind of hardware are yall using cause I have a 1070 and an i7 7700 and it seemed to be running okay for me...
Gary_FucKing@reddit
What resolution and framerate?
marcushendersen@reddit
720 lol. I was getting over 60 so I capped it.
Gary_FucKing@reddit
Brother, no offense, but that is an insanely low bar to jump in with on other people's comments and go "don't know what y'all are complaining about, runs just fine for me guys!"
marcushendersen@reddit
If it runs on nearly 10 a year old hardware above low settings and framerate is steady then it isn't badly optimized.
Gary_FucKing@reddit
I guess you can make that argument, but would you say that if the resolution was 480p? 240p? Why is it only frame rate that gets a minimum standard when most pc gamers play at 1080p?
CE0ofCringe@reddit
Agreed, and even 1080 can be considered low at this point. (Posted by 1440p gang)(fuck 4K)
Gary_FucKing@reddit
Haha I have a 3440p but I getcha. 4k is too resource hoggy for the frames. I’ll stick with the ultrawide, just best balance of resolution and framerate (165hz, which is almost impossible to hit at high settings with my 6700xt 🥲).
SchwiftySouls@reddit
I'm running it at 60fps average on a 4core CPU and an RX580. I call cap on the other guy.
letsgoiowa@reddit
No you aren't out in the wild
A 3600 is getting dips to the 20s and 30's and it's faster lol
SchwiftySouls@reddit
I am, but yeah, please tell me my metrics that are literally on my screen.
Everything is set to Medium and Balanced. I average 60. You can call bullshit all you want, but I'm gonna go home and play it just fine on my outdated rig.
letsgoiowa@reddit
Staring at a wall or indoors under 1080p internal res LOL
Post video proof of settings and performance (1080p internal res or higher). Better see 60!!!
SchwiftySouls@reddit
I'll post a picture when I get home, but I'm not wasting that amount of time for some random on r/greentext of all fucken places.
zozi0102@reddit
I have a 1650 and an i7 7700 and it runs fine until you get out of the severs. Then its unplayable
Decent_Age_8021@reddit
Expecting this to run on a 1650 is a little bit different from a 1070
airfryerfuntime@reddit
You mean you're seeing performance drops on ancient hardware? The humanity!
Tariff_Flation@reddit
No loverlabs yet on the remastered. Just wait till then lmao.
Financial_Fishing463@reddit
coomer degen
airfryerfuntime@reddit
When will you learn that you're the minority?
gereffi@reddit
Today people complain about file sizes, tomorrow they’ll complain about bad graphics. You can’t have it both ways.
LeoDaWeeb@reddit
Ppl complaining about file size are fucking stupid anyway. Storage has been extremely is cheap for some years now.
Jibjumper@reddit
And that top 25% actually buy games at retail instead of waiting for sales or pirating and pay for 80%+ of the net revenue to make a game. So publishers focus on them because that’s where they actually make money.
Jorsk3n@reddit
We shouldn’t have to wait on games any longer than we have to or accept lower quality because of you broke plebs out there. We’re living in 2025. Games from today shouldn’t be able to be played on your shitty ass pc from 2012…
JimboLimbo07@reddit
The "plebs" who buy the games are the ones that give them money my man. And it's not like modern games look that much better than older games
SalvationSycamore@reddit
Some should be. There's no reason a pixel roguelike shouldn't. But yeah, it shouldn't be surprising if the high resolution open world RPG doesn't run at 8k, 120fps in the middle of a city full of NPCs.
Also, some people don't know what "playable" means. I still have yet to find a game that literally doesn't run on low settings with my 1070 which is almost 10 years old now.
Aleks_1995@reddit
You don’t need to play on super ultra graphics. Hell I still rock a 4790k and a 5700xt and most games until maybe 1 or 2 years ago I was able to play somewhat decently at least. I only had issues with Hogwarts legacy and ue5 games but that was it
CinderBirb@reddit
When will broke bitches like you upgrade your shitrigs into something only barely beefier than an old laptop from 2008?
910_21@reddit
The game runs pretty well on base ps5, if your on a budget idk why your pc gaming at all
SchwiftySouls@reddit
I have a really shitty rig. Like running a 4core CPU and an RX580. The game tries to tell me I can't run it, but I can. Everything set to Medium and I average 60fps. You don't need a top 25% PC to play this lol
Adipay@reddit
Unreal Engine 5 is a bitch in terms of optimization yeah but is game's getting larger so much of a surprise?
Average size of games in 1996: 10 - 50mb
Average size of games in 2006 (when Oblivion came out): 3 - 8gb so like 160 times larger than games 10 years ago.
Average size of games in 2016: 40 - 60gb which is like 7 times larger than games 10 years ago.
Average size of games in 2025: 80 - 150gb which is about twice as much as games 10 years ago.
Games will continue to get larger. This is not a surprise.
KnightofPandemonium@reddit
It's not a surprise, but it's still dumb.
EltonJohnSlingsDick@reddit
as technology progresses, the market for realistic looking games with large maps that need to be loaded at multiple points becomes larger and so will the file sizes. its a pretty simple concept to grasp
KnightofPandemonium@reddit
Yeah. It's not surprising, but it is dumb.
Like, why do we need the maps to look so realistic, and why do we need them to be so big? Some open world games demand it, but it seems like the massively increased storage space available on most computers these days has given a lot of companies a greenlight to stop caring about keeping their file sizes manageable.
EltonJohnSlingsDick@reddit
because scale and realism are both cool concepts to explore, its just sad that they require a lot of processing power to do. games can stay like OG Oblivion and DS1; small and serviceable, but the ideas that can be explored with a larger map or higher level of detail necessitate the bloating
nyaasgem@reddit
The only game (that I can think of right now) where I ever enjoyed the absurdly big map was Ghost Recon Wildlands.
But only because the landscape looked that good it was varied enough that even just driving around for 20 minutes was enjoyable.
Fenrir-The-Wolf@reddit
World space really doesn't have much to do with it, it's mostly just textures.
Look at Fallout 4, about 40GB, add on the high res texture pack and you're doubling that.
DeliriumRostelo@reddit
But the ideas aren't being explored and never will be
Deus ex and thief 2 had more advanced and flexible mechanics than like 99% of these bloated games while being tiny in file size
I think that a part of this is market assumpti9ns that games have to be looking so good
KnightofPandemonium@reddit
I feel like Starfield is a pretty reasonable counterpoint here. The official download size is 125 gigabytes, and each planet apparently has a massive area to explore and look at, and detailed graphics, and all that, and they really don't do much with it- it's just tons and tons of empty space.
Like, what concept is actually being explored in that space? It's just empty.
GTAV seemed to do some good with having a massive area to run around in, but even in that space, you could compare it to Yakuza, which has a really small map that they did a ton of stuff with.
I don't think the larger maps are a good idea, not because they take up a lot of space, but because they just don't do much with that space. Restriction breeds innovation.
poprostumort@reddit
Because they make games better. Exploring a world is superior to walking through smaller maps that connect to each other. Realistic look suits most games more than a stylized one. Technology is advancing and those can be used by anyone.
The problem is not that it's making games worse - problem is that it makes shitty games better. Most of new AAA games are shitty, but implementation of those pushes them into mediocrity and allows studios to somehow survive when they can't make good games.
mega_douche1@reddit
Why is it dumb? Storage space is dirt cheap so why not utilize it?
hagamablabla@reddit
God forbid I want to use my storage space on more than 2 games at once
Bandwidth doesn't go up at the same rate as storage. In the time I went from 250 GB of storage to 4TB, my bandwidth has gone from 20 Mbps to 50 Mbps.
SchwiftySouls@reddit
I picked up a 4TB external for $40USD. I have 56 games installed on it with 2.1TB left. I have Oblivion Remastered, Modded Skyrim, CP2077, ARK Ascended, and many more.
You can definitely switch between more than 2 games without having to uninstall anything. You've just gotta be willing g ro drop a little money on it- something you have to do to game, regardless.
hagamablabla@reddit
How about I get to do that without spending any money because companies stop bloating their games?
SchwiftySouls@reddit
Not an option, currently, so either deal with not having space and shut up about it, or get more storage. Those are your options. Storage is dirt cheap.
hagamablabla@reddit
Nah, I'm not going to lower expectations just because AAA companies can't be assed to care about optimization.
Adipay@reddit
You'd pay 50 - 70 dollars for a AAA game but not 40 dollars for some storage?
SchwiftySouls@reddit
fair enough. I respect you standing firm.
Fembussy42069@reddit
Bro wants the cake and not pay for it. There are many indie games you can play. If you complain about 100GB+ Games those are AAA games that are trying to push the boundaries of what's possible. You need a good computer for AAA games and that's never going to change cause that's the whole point on AAA games.
Stuka_Ju87@reddit
From where? I just spent 150$ for a 2TB.
SchwiftySouls@reddit
walmart lol it's not an SSD or anything, so it's a bit slow to verify, but that's a non-issue for me
mega_douche1@reddit
Get more storage ya bum
KnightofPandemonium@reddit
It's cheap, but it's not infinite, and I don't want to have to uninstall old games that take up too much space every time I want to play a new game which also takes up too much space.
mega_douche1@reddit
That's always been the case though. Happened on my ps1 memorycard
KnightofPandemonium@reddit
My internet is garbage, man. I don't want to have to wait a week when I decide I wanna play a new game so it can download.
mega_douche1@reddit
Get better internet bro it's 2025
KnightofPandemonium@reddit
Time passes but unfortunately some parts of the world are still living in 2010. It's fucking impossible to get a decent connection in some areas these days.
Adipay@reddit
I agree with you and I also come from a 3rd world country where internet is slow and limited.
That being said, AAA gaming has always been a luxury thing.
TheGreatSaltboy@reddit
Get musknet
Acharyn@reddit
It's not dumb at all. It's just not what you want.
Bigger games take up more space, that's just how it is. You're not installing pong or frogger.
KnightofPandemonium@reddit
Man, I'm just saying that file sizes are getting out of control and we'd benefit from trying to get it back under control again. A 4 gigabyte game got thirty times as large as it was on release. Doesn't that seem like it's a bit much, even considering the space graphics take up and whatnot? Shouldn't we care about manageable filesizes, even if it's only because smaller files are faster to load and transfer and stuff?
Acharyn@reddit
They're not thoughy, they're increasing relative to storage space.
A remaster of a 4 GB game. They added HD textures and probably updated mesh density. HD textures take up a lot more space, compression can only do so much.
A 1 TB drive is considered small thest days, 100GB is 0.1 times that and 0.05 times a 2 TB drive. It's manageable for the audience they're releasing for.
This is one of the least important concernes for performance. Everyone has SSDs and DDR4 or 5 RAM. Optimising the function calls in the main loop and what get's loaded into RAM and when is much more important.
SchwiftySouls@reddit
I agree with everything, but your numbers are wrong. 1TB = ~1000GB, making 100GB 10%, not 0.1%.
Lance141103@reddit
That’s why they said 0.1 times instead of 0.1% (unless they edited their comment)
SchwiftySouls@reddit
Imma keep it a buck, I swear I saw %, but I'm also a dumbass so I could've hallucinated it.
SalvationSycamore@reddit
And the graphics got like 100x better. I don't see the issue. Of course 4k textures take up space. We should be cheering that they are doing both good gameplay and good appearance rather than sacrificing one for the other. Now we just need more original games that play good and look good.
higate@reddit
Don't forget all the cosmetic items that have to be downloaded for every player.
WhiteRoseGC@reddit
Grasp deez nuts
Gary_FucKing@reddit
lol got em.
Virtual-Reindeer7170@reddit
Ok , u gotta let go at some point buddy. Its starting to hurt
DoorsToZeppelin@reddit
No. Never let go. It won't come back.
rividz@reddit
Jesus Christ just focus on gameplay and fun. Not every release needs to be a mammoth undertaking. Major studios could make amazing small fun games like Balatro, Rocket Leauge, and Undertale.
They don't because corporatism kills ingenuity and creativity. They probably couldn't make games like that if they tried.
SadderestCat@reddit
It is not needed however. A lot of file size expansion in newer games feels like bloat. Take the newer call of duties for example. They take place on very small maps and don’t have the most cutting edge graphics yet absolutely consume drive space for no good reason.
SalvationSycamore@reddit
For some games yeah, like somebody should probably make the effort to bring down the full Ark size from 400gb because that's absurd. And I'm sure almost every game could be shrunk at least a little if you spent years of dev time tweaking it. But that's a huge waste of time and money for very little tangible benefit for most games. I'd rather just buy a second SSD for dirt cheap and let the devs work on bugs and sequels.
Inuakurei@reddit
What else are you using that 2tb SSD for?
SalvationSycamore@reddit
This is a 4chan sub, you already know what's on that hard drive
rividz@reddit
qq, I have a pornstar I like that I have a dedicated folder for. But I also have a BDSM folder. I create shortcuts to the file in the other folder when this happens but it this best practice?
SalvationSycamore@reddit
Just set the porn star as your background picture and minimize the BDSM images right at the moment of climax so you can look into his/her eyes. Problem solved.
SalvationSycamore@reddit
Is it? I mean most games have way more detail now. You could easily go back to small games if you dumped all the nice high resolution textures. But nobody wants that for games like big open world RPGs and simulators. I'm not a computer guy but I'm pretty sure compression has limits. It's way easier to just buy a second hard drive than to try and break physics to squeeze 1000x the data into the same space.
Jackm941@reddit
Computing power and storage is also much cheaper now, you can also uninstall and install things much faster. Avg speed round me is like 600Mbps. I don't get what people's problem is except "my 10 yo pc isn't cutting edge anymore"
Heil_S8N@reddit
living in the middle of bumfuck nowhere and getting 50Mbps through a copper cable is the problem
ProfessorHund@reddit
This is is a bit reductive I believe. I'm talking out of school slightly here but there's not many incentives for the development paradigm to optimize for optimization unfortunately, which leave a lot of room for "stupid and inefficient but it works" type of code.
retsoPtiH@reddit
the industrial gamedev revolution and its consequences
StandardN02b@reddit
Compare a game from 2006 with a game from 2016 and then a game from 2016 with a game from 2025 and then tell me these advances are worth spending more than 15% of my hard drive in one game.
Idaret@reddit
Will they though? I don't think we are doing 8k so how can they can get bigger?
CE0ofCringe@reddit
Most new games size can be attributed to the ungodly amount of high resolution textures. I’ve been saying that game stores should allow you to install high or low resolution versions of the textures.
Cyhawk@reddit
More textures, but also they aren't compressing textures like they use to in the past. Oblivion Remastered is an example of this, theres no compression just raw texture files.
CE0ofCringe@reddit
Crazy thing about games now is that most of the storage is just unnecessarily high texture size 😭. They should make it standard to be able to download different texture size versions of the game.
AugustEpilogue@reddit
Games continuing to get larger and larger? The perfect time for the industry to be pushing digital only lol
DJMikaMikes@reddit
How was Doom Eternal, one of the most ridiculously good looking games around, 10gb at launch?
Im_Antag@reddit
The problem is that games today dont look any better than games did back then, RDR2 came out 7 years ago and still looks better than most games today
TheRealSaphier@reddit
This is what gets me. I have a few friends that say “whoa, 100 gigs! I’ll have to uninstall some stuff!” And they still have a 1 tb hard drive. People are not catching on to the increasing size needed for games and refuse to upgrade their storage to match. I’m not sure if it’s nostalgia for the “good ol days” or inability to get with the times (like a mix of both?)
Scorkami@reddit
i think the issue isnt that games just got larger but that it does not feel like the size is deserved.
morrowind remake is over 100gb right? afaik, witcher 3 was like 80 with all the dlc. and both games have a ton of content to chew through. assassins creed valhalla is what, 70gb? it has multiple open world areas with dozens of content inside.
if i carve out 200gb for a game in 10 years, i want a justification why that game is so large. if its just games getting more complex, then there is a limit to the complexity that we need (no one gives a fuck about shrinking horseballs in red dead 2. that was literally wasted money) and if games are getting bigger due to the game having, as todd says it, "sixteen times the size" with more content, then it needs to actually have more content and bang for my buck, or in this case, space, than smaller games.
i feel like games got larger in file size without actually adding anything the player cares about. sure better graphics and all that are nice but its a flattening curve and we are at a point where its reaching a plateau. by that point, i dont want another increase in file size if im not getting for more it
Aniquin@reddit
Comparing a graphical remaster of an old game to entirely new games doesn't make sense. Of course new games got much larger because they added more content and larger maps but that's not what happened here. The Oblivion remaster is the same as the original just with updated graphics so it shouldn't be this large.
GuyNamedWhatever@reddit
I just don’t like how it can become a storage issue. If I want to play like 8 AAA games take up an entire SSD
LoneRubber@reddit
And to top it off, high capacity M.2 SSDs are getting cheaper. People love to complain about the storage issue and I always explain what you said. The only game it doesn't make sense is Warzone. A competitive battle royale where you'd think they'd optimize mesh utilization to make for an easier to run and access game where the playing field is full of all sorts of different hardware typically ranging from 6th gen Intel to 9800X3Ds and R9 280s to 5090s.
OuweDorper@reddit
And now instead of using the raw numbers, list the percentage of disc space that was used to install these games. I did not do the math, but I assume they depict a way better comparison.
Commaser@reddit
Solution: Play pixelated indie games instead
Inuakurei@reddit
This conveniently ignores that the average storage size is 400x larger than back then. And faster.
Imagine_TryingYT@reddit
Fr fr. People act like optimization is this magic thing that can compress a 2 TB game into a 50MB one if they just tried hard enough. Same thing when a game can't run on their decade old PC at Ultra High 200 fps because "optimization".
CarlosFlare@reddit
The difference is that yes, it can be done if they try hard enough. For example, Starfield has no reason to be double the size of Elden Ring.
Stolen_Sky@reddit
It can be done, but it's expensive and time consuming.
Nintendo optimise their games really well, but they're now charging $80 a pop.
ProfessorHund@reddit
Almost all the computational load is rendering so having cumbersome builds that precedes rendering because devs dont care about efficiency will definitely not help.
PussyDeconstructor@reddit
🤦♂️🔫
WhoTheHeckKnowsWhy@reddit
They are a lot faster but storage wise not really. Around 2006 most peoples hard drives were 150-250GB.... Nowadays? 1-2 TB because anything bigger costs a mint if its an SSD, or is a spin drive too slow for modern open world gaming.
With the better quality assets and audio files games should be many times bigger on average now than in 2006; but Oblivion Remastered could probably get down to 80gb by having it's textures compressed better.
I am not scandalised though, thank god it's not like Doom 2016 at least. That was mere a 60gb game, but had its data all packed into one big bin file you had to redownload the entirety of to update.
WhoTheHeckKnowsWhy@reddit
They are a lot faster but storage wise not really. Around 2006 most peoples hard drives were 250-500GB.... Nowadays? 1-2 TB because anything bigger costs a mint if its an SSD, or is a spin drive too slow for modern open world gaming.
With the better quality assets and audio files games should be many times bigger on average now than in 2006; but Oblivion Remastered could probably get down to 80gb by having it's textures compressed better.
I am not scandalised though, thank god it's not like Doom 2016 at least. That was mere a 60gb game, but had its data all packed into one big bin file you had to redownload the entirety of to update.
UpsetPhilosopher4661@reddit
whoever brainwashed people into thinking hyper realistic graphics are the same as good graphics should be put under some form of torture i think
Thanag0r@reddit
The game was going for hyper realistic graphics from the start.
PussyDeconstructor@reddit
This is anything but hyper realistic.
They upscaled all of their assets, nothing worth 120gb.
kihakik@reddit
Have you played it? It actually looks and performs very well for an ue5 game.
PussyDeconstructor@reddit
We were talking about hyper realistic graphics. What does your comment jave to do with that ?
Thanag0r@reddit
They ported the game to unreal engine 5.
wolphak@reddit
Yep that's why back into the day everyone was calling the NPCs uncaccy valley. Because for the time they were super good and the game looked great. Aside the pallet swap for the shaders I think they did exactly what they should have to keep it as close to the original as possible while making it beautiful.
erypto@reddit
removed by reddit?
CNeinSneaky@reddit
Tbf the new graphics are far better than the old, and hyper realism or at least improved realism has helped it greatly.
Alexzander1001@reddit
Thats a low ass bar
Taaargus@reddit
Pretty dumb comment to make about a game that was among the best looking games of all time when it came out.
Alexzander1001@reddit
Fucking delusional
_Rysen@reddit
just how bad was this comment that admins had to step in?
SoMuchEdgeImOnACliff@reddit
My question lol
BBtheboy@reddit (OP)
Please fill out the form
soiboi64@reddit
jfuss04@reddit
Not taking any disrespect towards God Howard
DeepQueen@reddit
He maybe bad at darts but he does hit a bullseye once in a while
jfuss04@reddit
It just works
Tenko-of-Mori@reddit
too true, graphics have gotten goon enough, focus on other shit now devs
Real_Set6866@reddit
I think you uzed da wrong word der, bozz!
Tenko-of-Mori@reddit
sorry,
graphics have gotten good enough to goon*
there
Sagutarus@reddit
Oh please, I was gooning to the OG. Kids have it easy these days.
TimeliestStorm@reddit
This you?
The Flame Atronach and I go to the Planes of Oblivion to have sex. When having sex with non-humans, it is ALWAYS sexier to have sex in their natural habitat rather than a human’s natural habitat. The Planes of Oblivion is the Flame Atronach’s natural habitat.
Before we went into the Planes of Oblivion, the Flame Atronach let all the Daedra know that we are just here for sex. The Daedra will not attack us because they know that I am here at the Planes of Oblivion on sexual business. This includes the Dremora. However, the Dremora Markynaz thinks that I am going to be an easy recruit for becoming a follower of Mehrunes Dagon considering that I am having sex with a Flame Atronach. However, I have no interest in becoming a Daedra.
wearpantsmuch@reddit
Church
DeepQueen@reddit
Back in my day we had to use our imagination to make croc(ps1) look sexy, nowadays these kids have marvel rivals level goon material
Neither-Phone-7264@reddit
freak
theattack_helicopter@reddit
Not enough Dakka, needs moar dakka
G3nghisKang@reddit
What did the comment say? Was it so terrible that it had to be removed by reddit?
Tenko-of-Mori@reddit
he promised to do very unkind things to those who push for the primacy of hyper-realistic graphics in games over all other aspects.
Testing_things_out@reddit
What did they say? Their comment was removed by Reddit.
Tenko-of-Mori@reddit
they saying something about causing v*olence to whoever was responsible for making all devs hyperfocused on ever increasingly ultra realistic graphics as opposed to putting efforst in other areas.
Testing_things_out@reddit
Ah... Another valid point obliterated because the guy juts had to scratch that violence itch.
Prestigious-Fig1172@reddit
Calling it "Hyper realistic" isn't even accurate.
FireMaker125@reddit
The game was literally trying to be hyper realistic from the start
It was cutting edge for the time
rolling_atackk@reddit
Great artistic direction > realistic graphics
Sadly, the RTX hysteria has mushed the two, so new games don't differentiate
SpaceBug176@reddit
They should be forced to play a hyper-realistic game without air conditioning in the middle of summer.
EvaUnit_03@reddit
That's why modern computers struggle so much. Every. Single. Fucking. Thing. Has to have unique meshes. The original Mario bros, they saved by having the clouds and bushes literally be recolors.
Meanwhile, the strands on each pair of shoes in gta5 all have their own unique everything.
new_KRIEG@reddit
Games should be able to run on shitty computers from a decade ago with improved graphics as options.
Most of the processing power being required by graphics instead of gameplay mechanics is fucking stupid
77enc@reddit
love it when i download a modern game and it somehow simultaneously looks worse but takes like ten times the processing power to run compared to the shit i played like 10 years ago.
truly no amount of hardware innovation can keep up with games studios' unwillingness to put the slightest amount of effort into things running well.
Jozef_Baca@reddit
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance is an older game and runs well even on older pcs.
If the devs of that could make such a great game that runs so well on everything then I dont see why other devs cant.
TomSaylek@reddit
I mean the phantom pain runs on a 650 gtx nvidia and still looks super good.
nyaasgem@reddit
Fuck I played that on a GT 630 on medium settings. Looked and ran very good.
ICBPeng1@reddit
It the difference between style and realism.
Star Wars battlefront 1 (the ea remake) looked great when it released and still looks nice, but not as good as it did.
Meanwhile, something like hi-fi rush, with a distinctive style, will look just as good 20 years down the line.
nyaasgem@reddit
Death Stranding is realistic but still ran like a dream on my GTX 1060. And visually it still shits on most of today's AAAA releases.
Msprg@reddit
Holy hell Hi-Fi Rush mentioned!
Really tho, art style vs realism is part of it. The second part of it, in the case of Hi-Fi Rush at least, is that it wasn't made to be a money cow. It was a passion project, game development wasn't rushed. (or well as rushed as it often is) The game came out looking great, ready to be played back-to-back start to finish without any major bugs. And without micro transactions. Almost unheard of in the recent years. Give it a try :)
nhtj@reddit
Win waker HD literally looka unaged while Twilight Princess HD looks like shit.
Roachmond@reddit
Hell any SNES/GBA highlight title is guaranteed to look at least pretty good even today considering the hardware limitations
yagors2@reddit
Me this morning, finally opening TLOU 2 on a mid range laptop from 2021 (gtx1650). It runs with graphics on bare minimum, to reach 30 fps, and compared with TLOU 1 on my ps3 from 2012... It looks and feels worse :(
GiverOfTheKarma@reddit
Which games do you mean?
77enc@reddit
honestly take your pick, a lot of games from the last year or two with "realistic" graphics just have that same blown out flat raytracing tech demo look with zero thought or effort put into actual style and for all that they run like shit.
to give a concrete example with racing games since they tend to look great as far as realistic graphics go; look at TDU solar crown that came out last year and then look at need for speed rivals which came out in 2013. solar crown, especially in daytime looks horrendous and flat and it runs like shit (reflections are nice thats about it). and then rivals on the other hand looks like a movie and you can run the thing on a toaster.
theres a few games that do actually look good enough to somewhat justify how much more intensive they are to run than the stuff we had 10 years ago but honestly theyre pretty few and far between.
Jibjumper@reddit
Fuck your shitty computer. Why should we hold back for outdated tech?
Nathan_hale53@reddit
I don't mind ok/outdated graphics if a game is good and the art design is too, but i really enjoy good graphics. Oblivion remaster takes some space, but so?? Its insanely immersive.
I honestly don't know what gameplay factor could require a lot of Processing power. Environmental physics and crowd density are like the two things I can think of that will affect gameplay and require processing power.
DarkScorpion48@reddit
What would you count as gameplay? Because code takes minimal space.
plasticbluepalm@reddit
Yet RDR2 runs fine on a ps4
zenheadset@reddit
Importance of technical optimization which is also ignored by many modern devs
plasticbluepalm@reddit
Agreed, it's a miracle GTA V could run on a ps3
KapitanKaczor@reddit
RDR2 is not modern?
jwji@reddit
No. It released seven years ago.
Maximillion322@reddit
Hey fuck you buddy the year is 2018
Hyper669@reddit
It's like 100gb
Jibjumper@reddit
Who gives a shit?
fishattack17@reddit
Everyone who came into this post
Jibjumper@reddit
For real though. Why can’t my Nintendo nes run a modern game? Wah. We went from dealing in kb to tb or bigger files in the span of 40 years. More people have access to gaming than ever and modern games contain so much more data it’s laughable.
Sure studios could optimize things better. But the reality is the biggest memory suck in modern games are audio files and those can’t be optimized like the rest the game, so even with optimizations you’re saving 5-20gbs at most on a 100gb+ game.
J_T_L_@reddit
In 30fps with graphics that on a pc level would be low-mid settings
JakeVonFurth@reddit
You say that like the average consumer is running a 4090.
J_T_L_@reddit
No? I am saying that as a fact. A ps4's graphics are on the level of a low end pc, low-mid at most. Even when the ps4 was new, it was nowhere near the power pcs could have.
The average consumer doesn't need to have a 4090 for the existence of high-end parts to make the ps4 low-end.
And hell, my computer would probably sell for at most 200-300, and it's way better than a ps4 in any game
Pkrhett@reddit
you're not wrong, i had 0 technical issues playing on an OG ps4 when the game came out.
BUT the ps4 was screaming in pain even if you cleaned it and had new thermals it was pushed to its limits.
Muscle_Bitch@reddit
Good studios know how to push a system to its limits.
And it's a legacy that ensures.
Naughty Dog pushed the PlayStation to near breaking point to get Crash Bandicoot working. Rockstar North pulled out all the stops to make San Andreas the marvel that it was.
And these two studios are still at the head of the pack when it comes to producing technical, graphical and gameplay masterpieces today.
Pkrhett@reddit
very true. both those studios take time until the game is done cooking. dog/rockstar will wait YEARS for that release until the games are perfected and it really goes a long ways.
funny enough both studios keep releasing graphical updates/versions for the same games like its RE4 or skyrim :D
Bobly2@reddit
At 30 fps on low-mid graphical settings with frame drops in areas like lemoynes swamps and leaving and entering a house, there is 0 reason why they can’t get 60 fps with half decent graphics if you compare it to other rockstar games. IMO gta4 still looks really good, and runs pretty damn good on a ps4. I’d take better optimization over hyper realistic graphics and features any day.
Jorsk3n@reddit
GTA 4? Brother, that was a ps3 game…
EvaUnit_03@reddit
After like 50 gigs extra of patching.
shotokan44@reddit
No it played well on release
ChangingMonkfish@reddit
I’m not spending my hard earned money to watch horse balls for 100+ hours that are not accurate to the exact air temperature.
Rullino@reddit
Fair, that's why I always go for female horses.
Dqueezy@reddit
GriffithDidNothinBad@reddit
Balls mentioned 😏
Thorpester@reddit
Dqueezy@reddit
Yeah, that’s right, I have the full version too.
ChangingMonkfish@reddit
Thorpester@reddit
soiboi64@reddit
Erfid@reddit
Shol'va!
Sengfroid@reddit
Kree!
Teejaydawg@reddit
Indeed.
RaidensReturn@reddit
We are not the same
JIETOB@reddit
You don't?
mdahms95@reddit
But if it does do any of that it’s considered a “last gen” game because it’s not pushing the boundaries
DemiVideos04@reddit
I don't think its just the companies profiting by reducing development time by skipping optimization. I think its also that the a lot of the new generation of game developers are self taught through youtube and whatnot, which usually never really touch on the fundamentals of optimization. There's some surface level stuff, dependent on the program used, like how to use optimization tools that the software itself provides, but optimization isnt a tool or a method or a technique or even a workflow, its a complete and isolated philosophy in game development. And that is something that has been lost to time. When people had to worry about the usage of mere Bytes, optimization wasn't just something you did, it was something you considered and which influenced the entire process before you wrote even the first character of code.
SimpanLimpan1337@reddit
Also saw a philosophy that if a game takes up someones entire disk drive they wont be able to play any other games spontaneously, as to make space for the other game they would first need to un install your game and then install theirs which could take hours if both have 100gb file sizes.
Thus they will end up stuck playing just their game, until you actually uninstall and never touch it again. But with some luck this is at the same time they release the "next version" of that same game.
DemiVideos04@reddit
Sorry, but this is a very ridiculous theory considering storage today is the cheapest it has ever been. You can get a new 1TB HDD 7200RPM at 25Eur. You can get a new 1tb NVME for 60, 10eur or even free used.
This would be completely ineffective as a method to increase player retention.
skyturnedred@reddit
How many Playstation owners are buying new hard drives for their machine?
SimpanLimpan1337@reddit
Yeah, I agree. Yet still I know atleast a handful of dudes who always kee juggling whatever games they have installed, and whenever something like Warzone or another one of those clones is the "current thing" thats all they play and when I suggest something else they bitch at how theyre out of space.
DomSchraa@reddit
Youre partially right
Bigger studios often have devs on limited time contracts - which means you work for them for a couple months, then leave again
Thats the reason behind many AAA failures recently, the team that finishes the product is completely different to the team that started it
Why? This way they pay devs less benefits
EvaUnit_03@reddit
The garten of banban is a case of this. It practically melts your computer because the modeling is so needlessly complex for such ugly characters. The scary part isn't the game, it's that the series takes years off your GPU.
RipDove@reddit
Meshes don't increase the file size that much. It's textures.
Are you trolling or stupid? Literally everything you just listed would barely increase file size. Everyone who up voted you also are big morons since they also don't realize everything you just listed would be in the sticker digit to double digit megabytes in terms of size.
Holy shit.
skyturnedred@reddit
I think most people understood they meant all the assets to go along with it, as mentioned in next paragraph.
EvaUnit_03@reddit
You aren't gonna win any friends with an attitude like that, buddy.
RipDove@reddit
Welcome to Greentext, where everyone is friendly.
dincosire@reddit
Do you come to debates to win friends?
JimboLimbo07@reddit
He specifically said "this is why modern computers struggle", referring to performance. Is you stupid?
RipDove@reddit
Almost none of those things would impact performance. It's also in a thread where the point was made about file size. Reading comprehension is cool you know.
Saphentis@reddit
Realistic Life-Like textured morons
Nathan_hale53@reddit
To be fair, meshes require textures. It kind of goes hand in hand. But yeah, textures and audio take up the most space in games.
TommasoDiDio@reddit
I was about to say this. How exactly would a “recolor” reduce file size if it still requires two different textures and two meshes. Also the horse ball example is just an animation, has nothing to do with file size.
M4xW3113@reddit
Cause the recolor is not another texture nor another mesh, it's the same sprite just recolored at run time
TommasoDiDio@reddit
Okay true, I was thinking of the 3D games but they meant the one that wasn’t even using meshes just sprites
Xalyia-@reddit
I mean you can absolutely use a single white diffuse texture with a color parameter to handle recolors in a 3D game. It’s the same principle. A lot of games do color swaps this way.
TommasoDiDio@reddit
Yes, but I think the original comment is talking about optimizations that could be applied to games like Oblivion, and in a realistic game like that two completely different objects would usually require different textures.
Xalyia-@reddit
We’re talking about a “recolor” which, by definition uses the same base asset. Of course you wouldn’t use it for something like clouds vs bushes in a modern game, SMB was doing that out of necessity. But recolored assets for similar objects even in realistic games can absolutely save disk space. Think flag banners, armor accent colors, shield decals etc.
TommasoDiDio@reddit
Yes, recoloring works when geometry is similar, but that’s a niche optimization. The original comment was about Oblivion, where most assets don’t share geometry. The vast majority of assets require new textures to fit their UV mapping and look realistic. That’s why file sizes balloon in modern remakes when the new geometry becomes much more complex. You’re right in theory, but it’s barely applicable in practice for a game like this.
Xalyia-@reddit
I think we’re talking past each other here. I wasn’t trying to claim that recolors would have a significant file size reduction in modern oblivion. I was asserting their use in 3D games to counter your point, which was that the idea of recolors are “irrelevant to 3D games”.
M4xW3113@reddit
Yes.
For people not seeing what it's about, here's a pic where you can see that the clouds and bushes are the same sprite :
pokemon32666@reddit
downloads texture mod on Nexus 10 GB
downloads new meshes off Nexus <1GB
GUYS IT'S THE MESHES MAKING THE GAME SO BIG
Gary_FucKing@reddit
My assumption was that they were not talking about storage, but performance.
asertym@reddit
I can't believe they don't see it. Lmao
rhoo31313@reddit
I, for one, live for realistic videogame horse-scrote action.
abattlescar@reddit
I think there's a world of difference between the two options. I certainly love a good looking game, but I also do appreciate having a game that runs.
dangling_reference@reddit
Is the horse ball part in RDR real or just sarcasm?
EvaUnit_03@reddit
Its real in the game. A small team spent like 8 months in development just for the male horse genitalia.
As far as it being unnecessary and adding unneeded bloat? Also yes.
Drakkon2ZShadows@reddit
Hijacking Top Comment to say this:
This cannot be a sustainable model. It just isnt. A game being too big and too demanding means that only a smaller percentile of people can afford to buy, install, and run it.
Compare how many buy and actually play a popular low-graphics indie game vs a popular AAA game (e.g Lethal Company and COD) and youll see the only thing propping up the AAA industry anymore is sheer habit and imagined social pressure. Because there will always be people who dont care if a game is even 100 bucks if they've been buying it for the last 14 years to play with their also-rich friends and still afford to eat. To companies its just if less people buy they can price it higher to keep up profits.
Calling it now, at best for AAA it'll be a divergence where there will be games made and priced exclusively for the rich and games for the rest of us who cant afford to buy the latest tech every year so we can play a game with every blade of grass visible in 8k.
Imagine EA making 400GB FIFA 34 at $120 for the rich/really dedicated fans and still making a profit.
Thing is, this could be good for us, the consumer, if the market splits into two then the inflation will detach as the idea of higher prices+requirements would become more exclusive to this higher class. Companies would have to consider when making a game if they want to make something super premium for the few or something super accessible for the many.
mrlunes@reddit
Imagine having horse ball animator on you resume 💀
fuckmywetsocks@reddit
You should purchase a less shit computer. M'ario B'ros tipped the fedora too far into the expectation that the user won't have a shit computer. If you stopped having a shit computer you'd play games more fun.
/s if you needed me to put a big signpost on it.c
MorRochben@reddit
They only did that for the original mario because they absolutely had to to fit on the cartridge. I don't think they would have if it wasn't needed because no one likes optimizing, its really complex (not in a fun challenging way most of the time), can introduce a lot of strange hard to solve/detect bugs and so is a lot of work so it costs a lot. People only like the result.
Significant-Elk-2064@reddit
horse balls you say?
Stargost_@reddit
They also saved size by literally only having half a sprite for a lot of things and just duplicating it then mirroring it. The ingenuity and creativity of older games is astounding.
termperedtantrum@reddit
If rdr 3 doesn't have realistic horse dick vein technology no thanks
throwaway6444377_@reddit
fluid simulation is becoming a reality
we need blood simulation for the horse dick vein throbbing
dadsuki2@reddit
Ozymandias_1303@reddit
I hope the Oblivion remaster has armor for the horse balls.
TheBeastlyStud@reddit
What am I suppossed to use to fill in the gaps? My imagination?
A_fluffy_protogen@reddit
You have zero clue how a game works dude
Hyper669@reddit
I mean they optimized GTA V so much it ran on PS3 (some fps drops happen but it generally ran fine) and was only around 35gb despite its massive scale at the time.
Zeth_Aran@reddit
Still mad I never got my horse pussy.
Allsons@reddit
To be fair, the shriveling horse scrotums were a landmark technological achievement , and should really be celebrated.
Poorly optimized game files, less so.
the_marxman@reddit
That horse testicle tech was a huge boon to the furry porn industry. It's like when a military contract accidentally creates something helpful.
Tiruin@reddit
Yeah it's the horse balls that occupy 100GB, not using two engines for one game with no optimization.
Tjstictches@reddit
I want my horses balls to be different though.
Steelwolf73@reddit
Mr Hands got rode so that RDR2 could sway
Phendrana-Drifter@reddit
Finally Rockstar giving gamers what they want
just_so_irrelevant@reddit
Yep, graphics went from making games look prettier/more realistic, to adding unnecessary amounts of detail and resources to the most random things, and it's been this way for years now. Great for anyone who enjoy bloating their hard drive with unoptimized 120+ gb piece of shite, terrible for anyone who enjoys consistent and smooth gaming experiences.
EvaUnit_03@reddit
Lighting helps the arkham series. Its wild what dynamic lighting can do for hiding textures.
Meanwhile Starfield oranges;
*
EvaUnit_03@reddit
fresh_dyl@reddit
I have to believe you’re exaggerating,
But having not played it enough,
I’m not sure you are.
Spezalt4@reddit
Demanding real and straight horse balls is a divine mission from the pope
Multispoilers@reddit
4chan is up??
I_am_javier@reddit
Get a PS5 anon.
in_elation@reddit
But they’re trying to play games
I_am_javier@reddit
Exactly
anencephallic@reddit
Yet another thread full of people who have no idea how game development works. There's a limit to how much stuff can be compressed, and a limit to when it's even feasible to use compressed assets. You can't magically turn hundreds of gigabytes into almost nothing, no matter how good you are at "optimization". If a game came out today that was only 1GB in size but all the textures were super low res people would instead shit on that. There's no winning.
BrianMcFluffy@reddit
Meanwhile DE keep flexing their godlike compression skills by porting their mmo with 15 years of content to mobile.
cumdaddy01@reddit
You're close, It's just hit 12 years.
cumdaddy01@reddit
Nasilbitatbirakti@reddit
Idc about the size but the performance is terrible. I had to lower the resolution to 1080p for it to be playable. I've never had to do that with any other game.
Chappiechap@reddit
My main issue with game size bloat is you have games that take up 150 gigs of space that look terrible and run awful and games that take up 60 that have more graphical fidelity and run buttery smooth.
The latter proves you don't need to throw in so much fucking bloat that drags the performance down, yet the bandaid fix is throwing on framegen and calling it a day.
Berkuts_Lance_Plus@reddit
This isn't greentext.
ProfessorHund@reddit
Numerous talks by Jonathan Blow cover this as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oU6XFnrNMA&ab_channel=IndustryDevs <- just one of many.
He has real insight into whats going on I think.
twodimensionalblue@reddit
would love it if we can download lower res versions of games. I play on a 1080p tv and 2k monitor anyway. I dont need 4k assets
ehhdjdmebshsmajsjssn@reddit
Is 4chan back
yung_gravity_@reddit
Sadly, I have to report it's back
KnownAsAnother@reddit
Dam
Hissingfever_@reddit
That's a good thing, means all the cretins stay in their pit
TheLoneGoon@reddit
The owner of this post was sadly found alive
keeleon@reddit
But somehow still found to have no life.
rividz@reddit
But Redditors confidently told me over and over again that 4Chan was dead for good...
PM_Me-Thigh_Highs@reddit
Don't mind the conspicuous FBI van outside.
paranormal_shouting@reddit
Took longer to write that comment than to type the url
L1ntahl0@reddit
YEAAHH BABY, WE’RE SO BACK
Dumbass-Idea7859@reddit
HELL YEAH
Jack-of-Hearts-7@reddit
Somehow, 4chan has returned.
stevenmael@reddit
Yes
Dd_8630@reddit
Compression and optimisation exist when they need to exist. Gamers generally have huge hard drives, RAM, and GPUs, so compression and optimisation aren't needed.
The bulk of the data is textures, which is not easy to compress.
rokomotto@reddit
I live in Australia and our download speeds are ass if you aren't willing to pay over 100AUD per month.
Oblivion would take hours for me to download. That's my biggest concern with 100+ GB games.
Bahlok-Avaritia@reddit
Oblivion genuinely took like 20 hours to download for me on the shitty Xbox app
dat_boi_o@reddit
We need to take the word “optimization” away from gamers because they’ve completely lost the fucking plot. Nobody knows what it is anymore.
Noamias@reddit
Optimization is when the game looks good, runs good, fondles my balls when playing and does my chores
NCR_High-Roller@reddit
Kind of like people constantly whining about "bad writing."
DinoMastah@reddit
The people eating all the jank and bugs from the gamebryo engine that bethesda refused to fix are the reason the standards lower over time.
It really is 2006 oblivion with 3 metric tons of unreal graphics, but with less dogshit leveling.
Noamias@reddit
Which is why it's called a remaster and not a remake
someordinarybypasser@reddit
Sooo, exactly what people wanted from oblivion remake?
lipehd1@reddit
Besides the fact that the game has other QoL improvments, i bet this same dude would be complaining about some if they made a full remake
Some people just want to complain, no matter what
DinoMastah@reddit
No, I really wished they fixed the bugs so that an unofficial bugfix patch isn't required in literally every bethesda game.
They could have made the game in the starfield creation engine and it would have been the same but way more stable.
SalvationSycamore@reddit
Do you mean actually annoying bugs or the charming bugs that people petition to keep in the game? Like the giants in Skyrim knocking people to space.
Fenrir-The-Wolf@reddit
I had an Ogre give me that experience last night, only horizontally instead of vertically lmao
CinderBirb@reddit
So far, people have found only one real annoying bug, and it's a very niche one but not game-breaking.
lipehd1@reddit
What are all those bugs you're refering to? So far, the only know bug is sometimes bodies getting a little crazy when they ragdoll after death, other than that, i haven't see anyone reporting any sort of bug.
Sleazy_T@reddit
If this is a bug please don’t fix it
rokomotto@reddit
Personally, I wanted more horse armor.
Idk. It keeps a lot of the same design philosophies as the original. Still the weird zoom in to npcs when talking to them, weird voice acting - these are all things people liked so that's fine if that's what they were going for. But take the Brilliant Pearl and Shiny Diamond example. Gamefreak wanted that to be super faithful so it ended up neglecting advancements of the modern entries.
Personally if Oblivion remake was bold enough to reimagine how the game would function in modern day now that there's less restrictions, I'd like that more. But if its mostly just the same, I could just play the original again. At least then I can add mods.
TheDevilishJonah@reddit
Damn roast, like a fat turkey, OOP
SpaceBug176@reddit
Wow, can't believe current compression technology managed to compress a picture of Anon's mother to 116GB.
_That__one1__guy_@reddit
Legends say when the photo loaded, it was just her waist in frame
TomCBC@reddit
Only because they split it between the game and a day one 100gb update patch which contained her lower torso.
pretty_pretty_good_@reddit
Hey anon, how big is your mom?
About 116...
Pounds? Nice!
Nah. Gigabytes.
Oh...
olmytgawd@reddit
Astonishing feat considering the original being 10 million yottabytes
titanium1796@reddit
UE5
RodjaJP@reddit
If the textures are the main problem them why not give multiple options for what people may want to download?
evnacdc@reddit
It would add development cost and little to no added sales. Would be cool tho.
SalvationSycamore@reddit
There is an option in this case. You could just buy the old Oblivion if you're okay with dogshit textures.
DooMedToDIe@reddit
So what anything less than 4k is just dogshit? Which crayon tastes the best bro?
SalvationSycamore@reddit
Anything more than the dogshit original textures will require more space. A lot more, since textures eat up loads of space compared to most other things. That's common sense.
DooMedToDIe@reddit
Yeah, obviously. But not everyone plays in 4k, and 4k textures are HUGE. Really don't see why making them optional is such a bad thing. It's one of the only things I'll give Ubisoft credit for. Why do I have to download something huge that I'm never going to use?
airfryerfuntime@reddit
Play the old one, then.
UnchartedCHARTz@reddit
Haven't played it yet, but from what I've seen the game does literally look 30x better soo...
malagic99@reddit
4chan is back… 4CHAN IS BACK
jUG0504@reddit
say what you want about No More Room In Hell 2, but at least thats a UE 5 game thats somehow under 20 gigabytes in size
CodasWanderer@reddit
Its almost like unreal engine 5 is on the cutting edge of graphics technology...
fast_t0aster@reddit
Compression costs a company money, and it's become the standard
PurplurPuzzlehead111@reddit
Wait genuine question here, are people generally disappointed by the remaster?
in_elation@reddit
No it’s been mostly positively received
ScientificAnarchist@reddit
People shit on Nintendo so much which is fair but they keep their shit tight
DJIsSuperCool@reddit
But it means the game winds up looking like shit. Example: pokemon
CinderBirb@reddit
Gamers when game looks like shit: angry
Gamers when game looks great but has large filesize: angry
DJIsSuperCool@reddit
Personally, this doesn't affect me. I have a 2TB SSD and a 2TB HDD. And I'm happy to uninstall games I dont play anymore.
CinderBirb@reddit
Meaning you're one of the intelligent ones
Existing-Help-3187@reddit
Easy to keep the shit tight when textures are 144p with shit audio.
ScientificAnarchist@reddit
We have no idea on the new console but that hasn’t been my experience even with switch
JimboLimbo07@reddit
120 gb is probably enough for a 12 hour 4k porn compilation of the mom of every person who's worked on that game
Ranch069@reddit
Any game over 70GB is an instant boycott for me. I will never support anti-consumer bullshit.
_Volatile_@reddit
Yes, optimization is a lost art. "Just get a bigger drive, loser"
Higher fidelity models and textures just take up more space by definition. Just how it is.
Pullsberry_Dough_Boy@reddit
That's one of the reasons why I'm not getting the game just yet. I do have the space to spare, but not the fortitude of mind to endure it.
Atlaspooped@reddit
Apparently CDPR was able to get Cyberpunk 2077 and Phantom Liberty onto a 64gb Switch 2 cart so apparently the art hasn’t been totally lost
Dramatic_Science_681@reddit
i believe the conspiracy that games are left poorly optimised to take up as much space as possible so you cant have as many games installed, reducing your options for other games and thus increasing engagement
Steakdabait@reddit
Honestly 120 gb is pretty tame for western game devs. Glad they showed restraint
BirbsAreSoCute@reddit
?
UwUthanizeMePlss@reddit
Because back then an xbox come with a 20gb hard drive and 512mb ram and now most machines have more ram than 20gb and a shit ton more drive space
BearlyWizard@reddit
It's annoying that it uses so much storage, but it's fucking aggravating when it runs like shit too
Purp1eS0ck@reddit
It seriously makes me crazy. The dev company I work for puts so much money and time into making the game look hyper realistic so that it can... be the same uncanny hyper realistic style as every other AAA title coming out? I understand that it's become industry standard to have your game look like this but with the most popular indies currently and the presentation of some of the best selling games OAT like Minecraft and Terraria it bewilders me that these companies can't realise that if you already have a following and an interested audience, you just have to make a decent fucking game. It doesn't need to look realistic whatsoever.
(not to say the oblivion remaster wasn't a good decision business wise, it already had memes around it, they marketed it and it went somewhat viral and now streamers and influencers are involved enough that general consumers are dropping $50 on a 20 year old game... it worked)
BBtheboy@reddit (OP)
Not every game needs to look like a pixel art indie game, vareity is the spice of life.
Saying every game that has a realistic style looks the same is kinda dumb, plenty of AAA games do that and still have a unique art direction.
Purp1eS0ck@reddit
Realism isn't a style. I'm not saying everything that goes for realism looks the same. I'm saying that the emphasis on high quality graphics that many AAA games seem to prioritise nowadays is exhausting. Yes as you say there are companies that want hyper realism for something that has unique art direction but you're putting words in my mouth with "pixel art indie game"
I don't want everything to be a pixel art low poly ps1 graphic nostalgia trip. All I'm saying is that the industry would be much better off if big budget titles put a bit more manpower into the actual quality of their game in terms of mechanics and gameplay loop as opposed to characters having environment adaptive skin pores and realtime reflective eyeballs.
BeenEatinBeans@reddit
This is what I really hate about triple A games now. Everything has to so heavily over-optimised, and take up so much space in your storage, that if you don't have a high-end setuo you can just go fuck yourself. Don't even think about trying to buy a hard drive either, because a lot of modern games will jist straight-up refuse to even run if you don't install them on internal storage
airfryerfuntime@reddit
Are you trying to install games on an external hard drive? Lol what?
theyeshman@reddit
Hard drives are typically internal storage, they're not hard to install and format. Do you mean games that require you install them on SSDs, or are you trying to install games on like a USB hard drive? If you need an SSD for games you're trying to install, a 1tb SSD is like 50 bucks, and if you just need any internal storage a 1tb HDD is 25.
beansahol@reddit
High res textures.
Felix8XD@reddit
Huh?!?!??? How can a made from scratch hyperrealistic remake game released for the most powerful technical devices we currently have be bigger in file size than a game from two decades ago?!?!?!?
Laxhoop2525@reddit
If it’s made from scratch, why does it have many of the same bugs the original had?
Daurinnn@reddit
It's not made from scratch. Remaster use ue5 as a graphic engine not as a game engine. Game still use old game engine and old code but visuals from ue5.
Gogr_eu@reddit
Sounds more like a mod, not like a remaster.
Felix8XD@reddit
ok maybe not entirely made from scratch but almost everything is completely newly made
Laufreyja@reddit
textures and uncompressed audio files are the main reason. Also language files if it's voice acted. taking that all out of Doom 2016 changes it from like 70 gb to 20
J0hnBoB0n@reddit
I wonder if the massive storage capacity of modern hard drives discourages devs from being thrifty with storage space. Because devs that need to be storage friendly are pulling off some funky magic, like Tears of the Kingdom is less than 20 GB. What are they doing with this one, texturing their rocks with 100 megapixel photographs?
Sergeant_Swiss24@reddit
My computer got 16 gigs of ram, and the game recommended 32. I play it anyways and it runs like a charm lol idk what Bethesda is smoking
Laxhoop2525@reddit
Wait… Is 4chan not kill? This would have been posted after the attack.
theyeshman@reddit
It's back up, yes
News publications saying it was down forever were clickbaiting, the site's survived worse before.
SwampiiTV@reddit
I've been saying this, but I feel like after around 2014 we haven't needed to progress much technologically for the average consumer, get a ThinkPad from around then and it will most likely be able to do what you need for a laptop, the gtx 1080ti still kicks ass in most games and the Xbox 1 and ps4 graphics while being a compromise still are decent if all you want is 1080p. Maybe I'm just a 4k display hater tho.
zombieGenm_0x68@reddit
it just works
FireMaker125@reddit
Why are people shocked by this? Gasp! A new game is bigger than an old one? A complete mystery! It’s not as if this has literally been the case forever because as graphics and games evolve the storage requirements increase
PolypsychicRadMan@reddit
I think modern vg graphics are a psyop to sell overpriced high end gpus and nothing else
Unknown_User_66@reddit
Why didn't you guys tell me 4Chan was back?!?!
GetCanc3rRedditAdmin@reddit
There are so many small details that hardly anyone could give a fuck about or even notice during normal gameplay. We’re here to play the game not watch a horse testicle shrink (looking at you RDR2).
Picone-_-@reddit
Yeah, I don't understand the hype. I prefer the original.
idontuseredditsoplea@reddit
It's mostly sound effects y'know
An8thOfFeanor@reddit
Anons coke-bottle glasses and padded helmet keep him from experiencing 4k textures