You know, I’ve just realized that this is somewhat akin to murder as Data’s autonomous functions do not operate while he is “off” so he is totally inert (aka dead).
This is also makes me realize how flawed the argument was. You can drug/knock a person unconscious in many ways. Or as you mention this was basically murdering Data, which you can also do to a human.
Don't forget Beverly has revived people who died recently. The major difference is technology, and design. I bet there is a species either in Star Trek or here on earth that could be revived after death for extended periods of time given no to very little decay occured. Data can also decay making that argument moot.
You can consider it dead sure. But science and medicine doesn't usually consider them dead until they've attempted resuscitation and it did not work. Doctors don't call a time of death and then start trying to revive someone.
You could say the same for Data. When he is shut down, he's in a state similar to someone in cardiac arrest, and as long as he is later restarted (resuscitated), he wasn't actually dead. Riker's argument isn't strong - both Data and a human are capable of being "shut down" and then "restarted."
If you go to data's grave, one century after his death, you can still resurect him, and expect his brain to don't be completely fried for lack of oxygen.
Not knowing enough about Data, I don't know which state he is. It would be only logic to have hibernation capabilities, which I expect to not be the case here. But I like the idea of Data dreaming with electric sheeps.
"From a biological perspective, cardiac arrest is synonymous with death by cardiorespiratory criteria, which is declared based on the absence of heartbeat and respiration and the loss of brain function." https://med.nyu.edu/research/parnia-lab/cardiac-arrest-death
Riker never makes that argument though. He just shows that Data is ultimately under human control by instantly shutting him down. You can do the same thing to a person though.
It's weird that when they decided to make Riker the 'Kirk character' they left in getting sexually assaulted by women. Maybe in the 60's Kirk had to be like an 80's romance novel protagonist, where he's a bad boy if he wants it and it's consensual but you'd think by the 90's you'd have advanced more for a man who's supposed to live in the future.
Upper right is Amanda the Teenage Q from True Q - Will runs away from her at top speed cuz her obvious crush makes him uncomfortable, then she kidnaps him for some Jane Austen-type fantasy roleplay and briefly takes away his bodily autonomy. Then she's like "oh this isn't as sexy as i thought it'd be" and puts him back
Lower left is Lanel from First Contact (the ep, not the movie) - Will is badly injured and trapped on a foreign planet, he is trying to escape. She says I'll help you only if you fuck me and Will tries to get out of it but then she's like "it's your only way out" implying that she will get him in trouble if he doesn't fuck her
[First Contact](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Contact_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)), an episode where Riker kind of accidentally ends up being another species' version of the Roswell aliens.
There's no need to defend the rapist because "sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat" which is part of the definition of rape also contains an X
Speak for yourself. As a bi agender teenager watching TNG when it first came out, I felt so seen by this episode. Soren’s plea – we’re people just like you, we complain about our jobs, we laugh and cry together, we’re not hurting anyone – was very much the rhetoric of the time around queer rights and acceptance. I was really impressed that they made an openly queer positive episode back then. (And if I’d known at the time that Frakes had wanted Soren to be played by a male actor I would have exploded with delight.)
In the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "The Outcast," Commander Riker falls in love with Soren, a member of the androgynous J'naii species who identifies as female. Soren's society punishes those who express a gender identity, leading to her trial and subsequent "treatment" to make her conform. Riker, who has a more diverse view of gender, is heartbroken by the situation.
Key Points:
Character: Soren is a member of the J'naii race, who are naturally androgynous.
Social Norms: The J'naii society has a strong taboo against identifying as either male or female.
Relationship: Riker and Soren fall in love, despite the social constraints.
Trial and Treatment: Soren is arrested and put on trial for her gender identity. She is later subjected to a "treatment" designed to make her conform to the J'naii societal norm.
Themes: The episode explores themes of gender identity, societal pressures, and the importance of individual expression.
Victory_Highway@reddit
Data was turned off by Riker.
KelseyOpso@reddit
You’re right, if we’re taking measure of a man. But Data was turned on by Riker in Brothers.
NightHawkVC25a@reddit
"And now a man will shut it off. Pinocchio is broken, its strings have been cut."
https://youtu.be/SRcKt4PP0yM?si=EGViqPc8wQc_9hHc&t=240
Victory_Highway@reddit
You know, I’ve just realized that this is somewhat akin to murder as Data’s autonomous functions do not operate while he is “off” so he is totally inert (aka dead).
TortoiseMetaphors@reddit
This is also makes me realize how flawed the argument was. You can drug/knock a person unconscious in many ways. Or as you mention this was basically murdering Data, which you can also do to a human.
OliverStrife@reddit
If you murder a human you can't turn it back on. So your argument is the flawed one.
TortoiseMetaphors@reddit
People are revived after their heart stops, which is considered dead
Important_Power_2148@reddit
people can have a beating heart breathing lungs and no brain activity. The term we are all dancing around here is "clinically dead."
Elmer_Fudd01@reddit
Don't forget Beverly has revived people who died recently. The major difference is technology, and design. I bet there is a species either in Star Trek or here on earth that could be revived after death for extended periods of time given no to very little decay occured. Data can also decay making that argument moot.
OliverStrife@reddit
You can consider it dead sure. But science and medicine doesn't usually consider them dead until they've attempted resuscitation and it did not work. Doctors don't call a time of death and then start trying to revive someone.
TortoiseMetaphors@reddit
You could say the same for Data. When he is shut down, he's in a state similar to someone in cardiac arrest, and as long as he is later restarted (resuscitated), he wasn't actually dead. Riker's argument isn't strong - both Data and a human are capable of being "shut down" and then "restarted."
art-factor@reddit
If you go to data's grave, one century after his death, you can still resurect him, and expect his brain to don't be completely fried for lack of oxygen.
Not knowing enough about Data, I don't know which state he is. It would be only logic to have hibernation capabilities, which I expect to not be the case here. But I like the idea of Data dreaming with electric sheeps.
OliverStrife@reddit
No he isn't in a similar state. You can't just restart a heart. I don't think you understand the nature of cardiac arrest
TortoiseMetaphors@reddit
You're right so I'll defer to experts:
"From a biological perspective, cardiac arrest is synonymous with death by cardiorespiratory criteria, which is declared based on the absence of heartbeat and respiration and the loss of brain function." https://med.nyu.edu/research/parnia-lab/cardiac-arrest-death
"For the past 20 years, the survival rate for cardiac arrest has hovered around 10 percent for out-of-hospital incidences and 21 percent for in-hospital events." https://www.redcross.org/take-a-class/resources/articles/cpr-facts-and-statistics
The heart stops during cardiac arrest. The heart can be restarted with treatment such as CPR or an AED. What am I missing?
OliverStrife@reddit
The fact that body still needs to have its own electrical impulses (IE not dead) in order to start again.
Victory_Highway@reddit
The difference is that the autonomic systems of the human body (even the brain) still operate while unconscious.
TortoiseMetaphors@reddit
Riker never makes that argument though. He just shows that Data is ultimately under human control by instantly shutting him down. You can do the same thing to a person though.
Nico_Weio@reddit
(stealing the top comment from there)
yodavulcan@reddit
Alysaalysa@reddit
i'm turned on by Riker too
Unhappy_Run8154@reddit
Data is a pleasuring machine". He is described as having a "broader variety of pleasuring" technical knowledge
Hot_Ad_787@reddit
Data was turned on by Geordi in Time’s Arrow.
Outrageous-Buy-4958@reddit
tob007@reddit
Riker's Prime Directive is really quite different than starfleet's
Rattlecruiser@reddit
Prime *Erective.
Outrageous-Buy-4958@reddit
Agreed.😂🤣😂
carrobucks@reddit
future wife, attempted rapist, rapist, data. what a list
nebelmorineko@reddit
It's weird that when they decided to make Riker the 'Kirk character' they left in getting sexually assaulted by women. Maybe in the 60's Kirk had to be like an 80's romance novel protagonist, where he's a bad boy if he wants it and it's consensual but you'd think by the 90's you'd have advanced more for a man who's supposed to live in the future.
theglobalnomad@reddit
Annoyingly, I don't recognize the upper right or lower left. Who are they again, and why are they so rapey?
carrobucks@reddit
Upper right is Amanda the Teenage Q from True Q - Will runs away from her at top speed cuz her obvious crush makes him uncomfortable, then she kidnaps him for some Jane Austen-type fantasy roleplay and briefly takes away his bodily autonomy. Then she's like "oh this isn't as sexy as i thought it'd be" and puts him back
Lower left is Lanel from First Contact (the ep, not the movie) - Will is badly injured and trapped on a foreign planet, he is trying to escape. She says I'll help you only if you fuck me and Will tries to get out of it but then she's like "it's your only way out" implying that she will get him in trouble if he doesn't fuck her
theglobalnomad@reddit
Thanks! Now that you mention it, I do remember True Q, but not First Contact. I guess I have something to watch this weekend!
carrobucks@reddit
I didn't enjoy True Q much but I really like First Contact, it's an interesting episode and it starts like a medical drama which is fun lol
BongRipsMcGee420@reddit
Even Major Kira was turned on, but by his transporter clone
BS-Calrissian@reddit
The chick in the bottom left straight up raped him.
GohinPostale@reddit
Which episode is she from... She doesn't look familiar.
FuckIPLaw@reddit
[First Contact](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Contact_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)), an episode where Riker kind of accidentally ends up being another species' version of the Roswell aliens.
And this chick has a thing for aliens.
GohinPostale@reddit
Oh right, he wakes up in the hospital!
Mo-Cance@reddit
Nah, it was just extortion. The X makes it sound cool.
BS-Calrissian@reddit
There's no need to defend the rapist because "sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat" which is part of the definition of rape also contains an X
-HEF-@reddit
Bebe Neuwirth! Frasier Crane's wife.
WarlordsSuck@reddit
ex wife
ernster96@reddit
Don’t forget Carmen who got turned on by Riker and then turned off by the crystalline entity.
thesandalwoods@reddit
Reminds me that ensign Ro also did the naughty when their memories have been wiped out temporarily 😈
Cautious_Mongoose399@reddit
Must be the beard 🧔😋
tob007@reddit
Forgot the non binary chick on that one planet that supposedly was impossible to turn on. Riker: mission accomplished
No_Detective_But_304@reddit
We all tried to forget that.
sqplanetarium@reddit
Speak for yourself. As a bi agender teenager watching TNG when it first came out, I felt so seen by this episode. Soren’s plea – we’re people just like you, we complain about our jobs, we laugh and cry together, we’re not hurting anyone – was very much the rhetoric of the time around queer rights and acceptance. I was really impressed that they made an openly queer positive episode back then. (And if I’d known at the time that Frakes had wanted Soren to be played by a male actor I would have exploded with delight.)
sqplanetarium@reddit
Just swap in Lal for the lower right picture to keep the streak going!
Yuckypuppet15@reddit
That's not correct Riker turned data off the only people to ever turn data on were Jordy and Dr Crusher
Estarfigam@reddit
Everyone has been turned on my Riker.
BrandonW77@reddit
I believe the bottom left one was also turned on by Frasier Crane.
Mister_Buddy@reddit
So you're saying that Data wants to take The Measure of A Man.
elementzer087@reddit
Real
LadyAtheist@reddit
This meme is far too small. Where's my picture?
Mass-Effect-6932@reddit
Left out Soren!
In the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "The Outcast," Commander Riker falls in love with Soren, a member of the androgynous J'naii species who identifies as female. Soren's society punishes those who express a gender identity, leading to her trial and subsequent "treatment" to make her conform. Riker, who has a more diverse view of gender, is heartbroken by the situation.
Key Points:
Character: Soren is a member of the J'naii race, who are naturally androgynous. Social Norms: The J'naii society has a strong taboo against identifying as either male or female.
Relationship: Riker and Soren fall in love, despite the social constraints. Trial and Treatment: Soren is arrested and put on trial for her gender identity. She is later subjected to a "treatment" designed to make her conform to the J'naii societal norm.
Themes: The episode explores themes of gender identity, societal pressures, and the importance of individual expression.
ImOldGregg_77@reddit
https://imgur.com/gallery/LtxT2hF
marykjane@reddit
Wow
brando79az@reddit
Add my wife to the list
SnooPuppers9969@reddit
-HEF-@reddit
Olivia was an absolute dream. One of my biggest crushes watching Wonder Years as a kid.
highendfive@reddit
That's what happens when you use his maneuver.