It's not just SIG, there are more.

Posted by Ancient-Row1953@reddit | Firearms | View on Reddit | 27 comments

A lot of people are running around with their hair on fire for the last couple of days because of a change SIG made to their P320 manual. To me it smells of typical over-lawyering and not anything nefarious. If you take a look at Springfield and Taurus striker pistol manuals, they have the roughly the same unloaded chamber verbiage and something else that's very interesting. They basically say "don't drop it or it could go off" right in their manuals. Is there something inherently bad with all striker pistols? Does SA and Taurus know something nefarious about their products that they're not telling us? Maybe it's actually just down to corporate lawyers getting their panties in a bunch and having a legalese hissy fit and trying to cover their asses no matter which company it is.

I'm definitely not a SIG fan boy, although I do have a few in my collection, but FFS people use a little critical thinking. It seems some people are pretty quick to jump on the SIG hate train whenever the slightest opportunity presents itself without giving it a little bit of thought first. You can't blame SIG for everything negative that happens with a P320. Although some do.

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Mountain_Man_88@reddit

Honestly there are probably a bunch of various guns with shitty designs or shitty QC that would have problems if you cranked out a few million of them and had a ton of cops carry them for years. For example, historically, most guns weren't drop safe. Drop safety wasn't even a thing that manufacturers thought about. Revolvers used to have the firing pin going straight through the frame and possibly resting on a primer. How many years did it take to solve that problem?

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M00seNuts@reddit

Welcome to the 21st century, where we expect modern standard features to come standard on modern duty guns.

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Mountain_Man_88@reddit

I'm saying two different things here. One is that there are probably many modern guns that have issues or concerns that we don't realize because they aren't being carried in large numbers by guys with body cams, and the other is that people carried "unsafe" guns for decades without any mass freak outs.

There are probably some worry some Tauruses floating around Brazil going off occasionally and hurting some bandit but no one cares because that's life in Brazil. Perhaps the Beretta APX or the Kriss Sphinx has some issues that would have come to light with mass production but that we'll never know of because there aren't a million people carrying them every day, a bunch of soldiers trying to break them, and a bunch of Marines trying to get them pregnant.

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M00seNuts@reddit

I don't think this is a user issue or an abuse issue. There was an army unit that found the problem with the striker assembly in 3 out of 115 pistols that had a round count of 5000-6000 rounds. These are internal parts, it's not like parts of the frame are breaking. 2.6% of em' having that issue with only a moderate round count like that is insane.

Parts for this gun are produced in India so Sig could save a buck and they're not doing good enough quality control on their sub-contractors.

We haven't seen this issue with the Beretta APX or the Kriss Sphinx. You can speculate, sure, but with good quality parts that have proper QC in a well-designed pistol, this does not happen. In modern duty guns from good manufacturers, good quality parts, materials, and design are the standard.

Taurus... Well, they're known for making hand grenades with poor quality materials, machining, and quality control. That's why no government uses them outside of third world countries.

You'd have a good point if it were sixty years ago, but not in 2025.

MarryYouInMinecraft@reddit

"Don't worry guys, our SiGs are just as good as ...

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Taurus and Springfield Armory!"

Stop thinking critically and buy for $600 what we sold to Uncle Sam for $140!

It's official, SIGs are garbage tier alongside Tuarus and XDs. Hahaha.

marston82@reddit

Drop safe is non negotiable. Get a Glock.

Johnny_English_MI6@reddit

There are alot of other guns that are drop safe aside from Glocks

Ornery_Secretary_850@reddit

alot is not a word. A lot is the phrase your brain was trying to get you to type.

Clarkearthur601@reddit

Glock should sue Taurus to force them to update their manual to add “except Glocks”.

Crawfisha@reddit

Okay so you’re saying just get a smith and Wesson or a Glock but still I’m going to avoid sig

Mikebjackson@reddit

Buht mah narrative!!

retardsmart@reddit

Sig Shill.

Behave_myself@reddit

This is so out of touch it's hilarious, people aren't mad about the manual change, they're mad that SIG released a piece of shit years ago and is just now changing the manual to reflect that. People, like me, are also mad the dumb motherfuckers released a butthurt statement saying their gun is perfect when there's videos upon videos, quite a few showing it was absolutely not a negligent discharge, of guns going off. BTW most guns are very much drop safe, companies generally add that to their manual as a 1 in a million chance something might happen so they don't get sued.

Joe_Gunna@reddit

Also the BIGGEST thing is that none of these other manufacturers have lost two lawsuits over their firearms discharging themselves unlike Sig.

OcSpeed@reddit

Here's my x5 totally not being a complete liability to Sig... 850 rounds, nothing modified. But all guns should totally fire without direct trigger manipulation, right? /S

https://youtu.be/EE3n3blf2uI?si=fWIpg-KRMRDFnSNs

To be fair an m17 i own will not, no matter how hard I've tried, do this.

Guys, look at their profile, OP is literally a SIG paid actor.