Is the Rtx 5070 Ti really that much better than a 5070?
Posted by Cifer_21@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 146 comments
The Ti is about 20-30 % faster and has 4 GB more vram.
MSRP (tax included) for these cards are:
5070: 600€
5070 Ti: 880€
Ti is 47% more expensive. I honestly don’t understand why the 5070 Tis reputation is so much better than the 5070s. Sure 12 GB Vram kinda sucks for a 600€ card in 2025 but I don’t I see how the Ti offers much better value.
FoRiZon3@reddit
5070 TI (and 4070 Ti Super) is closer to 5080 (and 4080 Super) than the 5070, despite the marketing name.
ImpressThink4460@reddit
I’m wondering is the 5070 ti pretty good to get if you can’t afford the 4090 and 5090? I’m probably going to get if for my first pc ever. Or is there a better option then the 5070 ti?
Majestic-Simple7031@reddit
Just built my 5070ti I run everything on ultra 300+ FPS w/ raytracing on. Worth it
ImpressThink4460@reddit
Amazing. May I ask which 5070 ti you got? I would like to get the cheapest one which I think for me is $969 for the gigabyte version. Not sure which versions are better but just wondering. Also are you playing in 4k? Or is 4k impossible with ray tracing and ultra settings with 300 plus fps?
Sad-Use-1533@reddit
Not on new demanding titles
rickestrickster@reddit
Yeah not even a 5090 can run native 4k raytracing on ultra settings at more than 100fps
ImpressThink4460@reddit
I got it awhile ago now and it’s very good. Only thing I can say is at least with 4k on newer titles from at least 2022 and above are a bit hard to play without frame gen. I really don’t care if it’s fake frames because it literally fixes my frame stutters in newer games. And makes everything a lot smoother, and I can run max graphics!
New_Hand_9321@reddit
which brand 5070ti did you buy?
JerichoVankowicz@reddit
Show me benchmark where it is 35% faster lol!
pacoLL3@reddit
5070TI to 5070 is only 30% faster in 4k.
In 1440p the difference is 25%. In 1080p the difference is less than 20%.
It is true that the card is closer the 5080 but the performance gain is still 25-30% for 47% higher costs. It does not really adress his question: why people are saying that 25-30% more performance for 47% more money is better value.
VRA is only psrtially answering the question. You are currently paying a 100-150 premium JUST for 4GB VRAM if you take current 4k performance into account.
Significant-Baby6546@reddit
Only lol. That's a big jump on 4K.
InvestigatorLong1649@reddit
Right? 30% is huge. Not to even mention the people who have been able to overclock to 5080 stock performance
cyrica_2345@reddit
By that logic you can overclock to the ti performance so it's kind of a non statement
Shoddy-Bus605@reddit
you can’t though, not even really close, 16gb vram is a bonus too
cyrica_2345@reddit
4 gigs of vram what a bonus 😂🙄 just like how everyone acted like the 4 gig 960 was necessary but made basically no difference
Shoddy-Bus605@reddit
it’s a huge bonus especially when 12 gb is limited in more and more scenarios as time goes on
cyrica_2345@reddit
Also let's not forget how there was 2 gig 960s performing as well with heavy OCS as stock 970s let's also not forget the 970 had 3.5 gigs of vram 😂
Shoddy-Bus605@reddit
and does a 5070 come even close to a 5070ti on OC?
No, so it’s a strange comparison. Why’s the 970 3.5 even in the conversation btw isn’t the same GPU that had slowed down VRAM
FoRiZon3@reddit
And it's not just 4K either. Generally, the more CPU oriented the game is literally, the bigger the gap between 1080P and 4K. That means on GPU priority games like Cyberpunk, the max difference can be seen even on 1080P if running full Path Tracing for example.
Limeee_@reddit
I think they meant to say that only in 4k is the 5070ti 30% faster
FoRiZon3@reddit
Not only that, it's also very dependent on the game. GPU bound games, especially ones with Ray Tracing will benefit a lot more.
Cifer_21@reddit (OP)
I don’t understand why you are getting downvoted. That was exactly my point.
Octaive@reddit
VRAM is very valuable and worth the premium for 4k.
Oxygen_plz@reddit
Yep, also you can get almost every 5070 Ti just by hitting +clock offset by 300/350 practically to the level of stock 5080.
Treadnought@reddit
Can you explain this to me? (just installed a 5070ti)
GummiBerry_Juice@reddit
Get MSI afterburner and overclock the card by about 350mhz clock speed and you'll be at the level of a 5080
Babblestock@reddit
There's no issue with heat? I've been kind of nervous about overlooking it.
DecentApricot2221@reddit
Not necessarily, most 5070 Ti heatsinks can handle more aggressive overclocks than this
ThinkinBig@reddit
You do know the base 5070 performs extremely similarly to the 4070 to super right? Like, the 5070ti is ahead of both by a decent amount
ssuper2k@reddit
And 50% more vRAM
FoRiZon3@reddit
That. But even like everything else, 5070 TI is just night and day compared to the 5070, more different even compared to 5080.
Professional_Bass665@reddit
My 5070 can run games in ultra settings, what more can you need lol. And for multiplayer I get 300 plus fps
NaturalRoad2080@reddit
I need it to run the games in ultra for as long as possible
Cifer_21@reddit (OP)
What resolution?
Active-Quarter-4197@reddit
bc it is the gap between being able to max everything(pathtracing, framegen ect) and not. the 5070 has the perf to do path tracing(sometimes) esp when oced but can run out vram in certain titles when there is alot of rt.
The 5070 ti on the other hand can just max everything out wheras with the 5070 u will have to mess with settings
Panpsyche_@reddit
Just to add for posterity purposes. I had the 5070 and returned it for the ti and the difference is pretty big due to the vram. I was hitting the limitation on more games than I was comfortable with.
If I wanted console level performance (or less in some cases due to limited vram and poor pc optimization), I’d just get a console.
If anyone reading this thread is considering a 5070 vs 5070ti and you’re a single player max settings PC type of person, go with the 5070 ti.
piazzaguy@reddit
This is the biggest difference and the reason I went with ti. The 5070 had shown to struggle significantly at 1440p with high resolution textures due to lack of vram. If that isn't a concern for you than ok but at that point you might as well grab a more affordable card from amd or something.
BFanticoss@reddit
Yes
Triedfindingname@reddit
Not this gen
Burns504@reddit
Nah it is better. Not just video ram wise it'd noticeably faster in every single benchmark I've seen.
Triedfindingname@reddit
Tbf it's just because the vanilla 5070 is ass
I type everything that occurs to me in that moment.
BFanticoss@reddit
The 5070 non ti is terrible for its price point but it’s just a bad card overall the 5070 ti isn’t better for its price but I’d rather buy once cry once with the 5070ti out of these two.
Accomplished_Dance19@reddit
do you own an RTX 5070? For that great price and paired with my Core Ultra 265K - 64GB Dominator Titanium 32-39-39-76 , i am able to play everything @ 4K 160HZ with high fps
woot woot
Commercial-Fly-6296@reddit
Will this config also work for ML workloads like 8billion parameter model fine-tuning and inference?(If you know)
Accomplished_Dance19@reddit
more than capable. now let me enjoy my 4K 160Hz glory :D
Gohardgrandpa@reddit
You lie like a rug. Everything at 4k 160hz, come on now. I don't want anyone to stumble upon this and believe this non sense
Accomplished_Dance19@reddit
"everything" - Everything I have been playing. Oblivion Remastered, DOOM: Dark Ages, and some older games. You understand DLSS 4 technology right? I use an
ASUS ROG Strix XG27UCG - I have only been playing @ 4k and i have been getting high fps on ULTRA when I enable DLSS 4 and other bs, but i still get high frames. I think 80+ is high frames at that resolution.
it's a good card, you need the right hardware powering it
Corywtf@reddit
5070 is $550. The same price as a 3070 MSRP was a few years ago. Quit comparing non NVDA GPUs. There is a reason we pay premium for the NVDA cards (its because they are better). More VRAM doesnt mean shit; quality >
Able-Permission9241@reddit
MSI after burner
Melodic-Matter4685@reddit
I’m assuming 47% is msrp? None of these are selling for MSRP. And I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
If u look at actual sell prices it’s more of a 30% price difference,
Odd_Entertainer1616@reddit
We also got 5080 at MSRP and 5090 for 2400 euros now.
Melodic-Matter4685@reddit
Ah… I’m in US. That used to mean we got best deal.. then… moron tax
Cifer_21@reddit (OP)
They are selling at msrp in Germany. Actually a bit cheaper than that.
Vavanne@reddit
Got my 5070ti on caseking for 805€ ! Thanks german site
Cifer_21@reddit (OP)
Not bad, how did you manage to do that? Cheapest I found was 845%
Vavanne@reddit
French site/app called Dealabs, people post the best deals on everything. I had notifications ON for graphic cards. It was out of stock in a few minutes
Melodic-Matter4685@reddit
I hate u. Kidding. Yeah 30% markup is a US thing
Accomplished_Emu_658@reddit
5070 and 5070ti shouldn’t be on the same nomenclature. The 70 in the name is a bit misleading. They are vastly different cards. 33% more vram on ti and 20% faster at minimum. The 4k performance is pretty big difference. 30% sounds meh at 4k but it’s not.
The prices are awful sure, but that won’t change for better. Now if it is worth it is up to you. Upgrading to them from a 40 series card isn’t worth it really. So what you play and your goals plus your budget determine value to you
Fenrikr@reddit
Yeah, 5070 ti should have just been named 5070.
AggieCojack@reddit
Yeah the 5070 is DOA only having 12 gb vram at that price. 5070ti vs 9070 XT you can really make a case for either, but at the 5070 price point it's a no brainer to grab the 9070 instead.
Admirable-Buy-5248@reddit
best motherboard match for RTX 5070 Ti for Photoshop and Davinci
CanadianTimeWaster@reddit
5070 has the worst price to performance ratio in the product stack. it's the same complaint against the 4060 ti, it's just a bad value.
if you are upgrading from older card (pre-3000 series) you will see a big boost regardless of your choice.
if youre looking at a 5070, consider a 9070. they are usually cheaper, and they trade blows in a lot of benchmarks.
if you're more interested in bigger, single player experiences with max graphics, 9070 is a great choice. if you're mostly playing esports/competitive online games, the 5070 typically has the higher frame rate.
MajorGrom@reddit
Compared to 5060 Ti 16GB, 5070 offers a VERY GOOD price to performance.
www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/rtx-5070-vs-rtx-5060-ti-16gb
CanadianTimeWaster@reddit
well, but that's because the 5060 ti sucks.
Full-Hyena4414@reddit
This is just wrong. 5070 has the lowest cost per frame of the Blackwell lineup
ChampionshipSalt1358@reddit
The 5070 in canada is $800. The 9070 (non xt) is $950. The 5070ti is $1250.
The 5070 is the best price to performance ratio in the product stack where I live. It isn't even close.
CanadianTimeWaster@reddit
no, I work a popular Canadian retailer, and we have 9070's for 850, and occasionally less.
50 bucks more 33% more ram is a great deal.
ChampionshipSalt1358@reddit
Where? The cheapest I can find online is $950
CanadianTimeWaster@reddit
https://www.canadacomputers.com/en/powered-by-amd/267626/gigabyte-radeon-rx-9070-gaming-oc-16g-graphics-card-gv-r9070gaming-oc-16gd-gv-r9070gaming-oc-16gd.html
there isn't a lot of stock, but it's there.
ChampionshipSalt1358@reddit
Oh that is great to know! Thank you for this!
CanadianTimeWaster@reddit
no problem! I'm not an amd fan boy or anything, I just think they're a good deal, and people I know are saying positive things about their experience.
I'm hoping to buy one for myself, but the lack of MSRP cards is frustrating.
Cifer_21@reddit (OP)
In Germany the 9070 is about 100 euros more expensive than the 5070. I’m usually budget oriented that’s why I’m even considering the 5070.
ChampionshipSalt1358@reddit
The 5070 in canada is $800. The 9070 (non xt) is $950. The 5070ti is $1250.
The 5070 is the best price to performance ratio in the product stack where I live. It isn't even close.
PCfastermate@reddit
Most newer AAA games run closer to 12GB VRAM limit on RTX 5070 level of hardware. The extra 4GB might seem like a small jump, but it's massive.
You can think this like: Game runs 11 GB VRAM. The memory headroom is now only 1 GB. With 5070 TI the headroom is 5 GB. That's 5x more headroom with 16 GB card. This was the original issue with 3.5 GB with GTX 970. That 0.5 extra might seem like a small number, but when games run at 3 GB, the missing 0.5 GB would be needed.
PS. The extra performance with 5070 TI is even bigger when looking at the RT scenarios + use of new features. RTX 5070 TI at MSRP offers the best value there is. I personally wouldn't even think about buying the RTX 5070 for the MSRP. One reason because it lacks the hardware side and I know the resale value is way higher with 5070 Ti. Plus, it's way easier to resell when needed at a way higher price point.
Mbanicek64@reddit
The reason I bought a 5070 ti was because I was running into VRAM limits with my 4070. I could have worked around it, but I didn’t want to have to manage that. I felt like if I was running into issues already this soon, it was going to be bad sooner than people think (especially in the types of games I like).
PCfastermate@reddit
Yeah! The best value for resale is always right before the next generation of cards come out when the prices are high because of production cuts off... or right after the release of the new series, because of the low supply keeps the prices high. But the prices drop massively after the next generation comes. Even 3080 Ti lost around 60% of the value after 1.5 years from the 40xx launch. People who keep their higher end GPUs for longer than that, most likely lose a lot of money doing so.
I'll keep upgrading my cards when the resale price is still high, even if I don't even need a new card. In the future the resale is easier, higher value, better performance, and always covered with a warranty. Someone who hold their card for 5 years, can end up eating all the value of the GPU away. If they upgraded when it still had high value point, they could have played with better performance at same or even lower overall cost + always have the latest card. If the old GPU breaks, user have nothing.
TaxPopular4840@reddit
This is exactly why I returned the 5070 and bought a 5070 Ti instead. You worded it perfectly, and even made points I didn't think about, thanks!
PCfastermate@reddit
No problem :) You made a great decision. The added extra cost is the best bang for the buck upgrade there is, and no more worrying about if the VRAM is the issue or not. I hope you'll enjoy gaming with it.
hossofalltrades@reddit
Look at the test data across popular games. The 5070 Ti performance is much better. If you want to spend less, I recommend going for a 9070 XT.
shuzkaakra@reddit
The 5070 was barely an improvement over the previous generation. The 5070ti if it's at MSRP was a decent improvement and can be undervolted and overclocked to get really good performance.
I have a 5070 and I've undervolted it. Most of my games are running at like 60w-80w. With like a 10% drop in performance. I'm playing at 1440p and it's really good. I replaced a 1080ti and it's just so much better.
But it's barely better than a 4070s which has been around for awhile. And if I had one of those, I'd be just as happy as I am with this thing.
bingybong07@reddit
that undervolt is way too extreme, you're killing the performance of the card.
minimum for a 200W card should be like 140W. i had the asus prime 5070 and was getting \~3100mhz at 950mv (approximately 150-160W usage). it's much faster than stock and still runs under 55C
shuzkaakra@reddit
I'm getting like 100FPS at that power level. So why waste more power?
bingybong07@reddit
it's up to you, but I think a frame rate limit through the Nvidia control panel would be a better option for you. let the card boost when it needs to and capping the frame rate will keep power consumption low
BigDickConfidence69@reddit
I got the 5070 because I got sick of waiting for the $750 to to be on stock. I’ll just upgrade sooner.
bingybong07@reddit
even worse, most of the $750 MSRP models have a permanent increase to $830 now
BigDickConfidence69@reddit
It really is a shit time to upgrade. I’m coming from a 1070ti however, and can’t wait any longer. If I had a more recent gpu I would skip the bs overpriced generation.
Zeyn1@reddit
Be careful comparing price to performance like that. A GPU does more than speed.
You usually want a minimum performance from your GPU. If the 5070 does everything you need, that's the end of it. If it doesn't, you need a stronger card.
Also, how long are you going to keep the card? Are you replacing it next year, or keeping it 4 years? If you need to upgrade the 5070 in 3 years, that costs 200/yr. If you keep the 5070 Ti for 4 years, it costs 220/yr. Is it worth an extra $20 per year for a 20-30% faster card?
Glama_Golden@reddit
This is why I snagged a regular 5070 for MSRP. If I get 2 years out of it I will be satisfied. I plan to just get a 60 series on release anyway
Cokeinmynostrel@reddit
Lol me too. And it blows my mind how good it is. Now I am coming from a 2060 which cost me around $500 and the 2080 was around $1500 or so now this freakin card is faster than a 3090! Are we the only sane people left in the building?! Games haven't gotten much better unless I'm missing something.
Boryk_@reddit
me when the 6050 ti costs 999$
VruKatai@reddit
With the hotspot issue on every single manufacturer's 5xxx cards, they aren't going to last 4 years. Hell, some are leaking thermal gel. I don't know why people are still fucking with these cards, at these prices with all the issues they have.
Burns504@reddit
This is actually a very fair assessment. That's why I want to go for a RTX 5070 or RX 9070 this generation. Depending of which is cheaper at time of buying of course.
smile96uno@reddit
Which one did you end up choosing? Maybe it was the Gigabyte 5070 Ti Windforce model for €849, from, like, cyberport.de? I'm actually eyeing that one too, haha. I'm currently comparing it to the 5070 Founders Edition from ProShop, which costs €619. And honestly, from a visual standpoint, I think the Windforce model looks way better than the Founders Edition—it kind of looks like a little chicken, it's so tiny. Also, the triple-fan design of 5070TI doesn't hurt at all, haha.
Cifer_21@reddit (OP)
I actually really like the aesthetic of the founders edition but sadly there is none for the 5070 Ti.
I ended up buying the Palit Gaming Pro which was same price as the Windforce. I also previously had a Gigabyte Gaming OC and I wanted something new visually.
smile96uno@reddit
Haha, yeah, same here—I really like the Founders Edition design too. I almost bought the 5080 Founders Edition actually, but I ended up not getting one—maybe for the better. I think it was just two or three days ago when they released a batch of Founders Edition cards. Ah well
Lazarius_Signer@reddit
5070 Ti is the best price/performance card in the series. And the VRAM makes a big difference, it's only 4GB but in some games 5070 struggles as it's limited by VRAM where the Ti is not. For 250 more Ti is a reasonable choice as you're not limited by the vram and you can even do 4k with dlss or in older games you can do native res with 60fps+. 5070 is literally the worst card in the line up, imo even worse than the 5060 Ti, as the only problems 5060s face is bad pricing. It really is better to go for 5070 Ti instead of regular 5070, or if it's too expensive then it is better to choose 9070 or 9070 xt
pacoLL3@reddit
For 47% more money it clearly isn't though. Thst is his point. How is 30% more performance in 4k for 47% more money better value.
People should not base their opinions on extreme examples but on average performance in modern demanding games, where the 5070 is not much slower than the 5070TI going from 1440p to 4k. It's 25 vs 30% difference in performance which is more connected to games beeing more CPU limited than VRAM issues.
Yes, your 5070 will struggle with Indiana Jones and raytracing in 4k, but again: people should focus on average performance not extreme exceptions.
Price difference is closer to 300 currently where your are solely spending 120-140 USD just for 4GB more VRAM. This includes 4k performance already. You are paying that 130 extra USD without added benefits in performance. Today at least.
And again, yes a 5070 will struggle in extreme cases in 4k with VRAM, but the card is not designed for 4k simply because it's too weak, completely iregardless of VRAM. You can argue you beeing forced to buy a 5070TI for 4k gaming is the reason for the premium price but that is performance related much more so than VRAM related.
Lazarius_Signer@reddit
It all depends where you are buying the gpu. Remember that OP originally gave price in EUR, so he's not american
In my country 5070 Ti is under msrp for instance, because the initial boom is now over and the cards just sit on the shelf. The difference here is not 47% and not $300. I'm pretty sure it's like this in other countries too.
This is extreme example for now, there will be more games where 5070 will struggle. Another point here is 5060 Ti with 8GB vram, activating mfg x4 and dlss4 strruggles at 1080p in different games due to 8GB limit, so 5070 is not the only one that struggles due to limited vram.
With how quickly the situation is changing and how fast the prices are dropping outside USA, the 5070 Ti will always be a better choice than the regular one. Especially since price difference between 5070 and 5070 ti in different countries is not that big.
So while in OP's country the difference right now is 280EUR doesn't mean the prices won't settle down
smile96uno@reddit
Yeah, that makes total sense. For instance, in Germany, I just canceled my previous order for the 5060 Ti, which cost €449. Now I’m deciding between the 5070 Founders Edition—which I can buy immediately since it’s still available for €619—and the Gigabyte 5070 Ti Windforce Edition for €849. I’m leaning toward the 5070 Ti once I receive the refund for the 5060 Ti.
No_Guarantee7841@reddit
Best price performance in the series is 5060 ti 16gb. Then 5070 ti.
pacoLL3@reddit
Because people are overrating VRAM to an ridiculous dagree because people here base their opinions on YouTuble clickbait instead of actually looking and understanding benchmarks.
Even looking at 4k performance averaged out over 20+ modern games a 5070TI is only 30% faster than the 5070.
What you are buying here is solely more safty for the future. Again, if your aim is 4k gaming.
The 5070 is in an awkard position performance wise though, because the card is indeed a bit too slow for 4k gaming. Iregardless what the VRAM situation is. Meaning: You will encounter performance issues WAY before you encounter VRAM issues.
So if you want to play in 4k, your only realistic option is a 5070TI, 5080 or 5090. This is a part of the price jump.
ComplexAd346@reddit
I remember the same bullshit arguments on Reddit and YT for 4070 ti, I had it for a year and absolutely loved it. I think for certain titles if you set everything to ultra and enable ray tracing while playing at 4k, you might run into issues, which honestly only 4090 and 5090 can do at the moment. With this analogy only 5090 is worth getting which everyone knows a sane person shouldn’t buy.
Kurgoh@reddit
My man, less VRAM makes games run slower at 1080fuckingP, let alone 4k. I beg of you to educate yourself, unless you're being paid by Nvidia and Amd.
Mundane-Expert7794@reddit
Wow, you are completely clueless. The additional VRAM has a huge impact on performance. It’s more than just FPS, it’s about the 1% lows and the consistent frames which you don’t always get with 12G of memory. There is a reason that the professional reviewers hate the 5070. And yes, they are better at this than you are.
sbabb1@reddit
VRAm is an issue beyond simply performance, I had issues with my sub 16 GB card regarding visual quality, fps was fine but you could notice quite a bit of difference on things like textures, I really would not get a sub 16 GB card for that kind of money these days and be screwed out of a great experience.
Heavy_Fig_265@reddit
just cause vram cheap out which is like 12$ it would of cost them to give to the card and the fact Jensen the CEO said it would have 4090 performance which is obv cap
Winter-Bites@reddit
Just get the rx 9070 xt. 🤷
Dan_Glebitz@reddit
I was toying with going AMD (Used to be total AMD or bust) with my next GPU upgrade but in the end decided nVidia was just better supported so sadly I think I will be sticking with them.
Mundane-Expert7794@reddit
Not a better deal, just a cheaper card that is slower. It is still way over msrp.
giga___hertz@reddit
100% right but amd sheep can't admit it
kirshmilly@reddit
the people buying AMD are the sheep?
giga___hertz@reddit
No but people who defend horse shit prices are
kirshmilly@reddit
nvidia legit has the worst prices in the market and repeatedly makes decisions that hurt their customers but sure https://youtu.be/KrCEPX47vtw?si=zpgDJOHSncvBO8qR m
Cifer_21@reddit (OP)
They cost about the same here. At the same price I’d prefer the 5070 Ti
Jeep-Eep@reddit
Yeah, more easily had and frankly, I wouldn't want to touch this gong show of a release with a barge pole.
Melodic-Matter4685@reddit
The reason is supply; there is none.
FireWeener@reddit
This is the answer
anyhoo20@reddit
Look at 9070 XT price in your region it's slightly slower than the 5070 ti but faster than the 5070 even in ray tracing
Cifer_21@reddit (OP)
Also costs around 800€. If I’ll spend that kinda money I will probably go with the 5070 Ti instead
Extreme996@reddit
I wouldnt buy GPU with less than 16gb now and 5070 Ti(and 4070 Ti Super) is closer to 5080 than 5070.
ImSoCul@reddit
Yes. It's much closer to 5080 than it is to 5070. Naming means nothing here tbh
EsotericAbstractIdea@reddit
as someone who has been doing stuff with computers for a looooooooong time. Ram is really really really really really really really really really really really really important. I remember back in my day when the amount of ram affected what resolutions you could run. I remember the ram was socketed instead of soldered, and the ram chips in my GPU in my 486 were same as the mainboard ram on my 286. I plucked out two and had double the ram. I was proud of myself and my 1mb VRAM. I could now run 640x480 at 16-bit color!!! Back when they sold the 960 with 2gb ram, something told me, get the 960 4gb ram for so much money more. shortly after, people with 2gb complaining, and people with 4gb saying everything is fine. same with the 3060 6gb vs 12gb. 8gb is obsolete. 12gb is meh. 16gb should be the minimum.
Cifer_21@reddit (OP)
While I mostly agree, I’d say you guys are exaggerating a bit. My RX 6650 xt can play Wukong at 3k with 90 fps. Sure it’s heavy FSR and frame gen and my card definitely is outdated and weak but it’s not as obsolete as most people say.
EsotericAbstractIdea@reddit
My point is, you need a certain amount of ram for games to even run without stuttering. the industry is in a weird spot right now, where nvidia is trying to make vram the premium feature due to LLM usage requiring vram above all, but even this is proof of my point. There's not been many revolutionary features on GPU's themselves in a loong time. and most of them are optional. But the ram controls whether a an application can even load. If the difference is between 12gb and 16gb, sure, you might be able to get away with the lesser amount for approximately 50% longer. Look at your own math. 47% more expensive, for 50% more VRAM. It's literally the biggest problem people have had with gpus since the 4 series launched.
Cifer_21@reddit (OP)
It has 33% more Vram.
EsotericAbstractIdea@reddit
still worth it. trust me
Cifer_21@reddit (OP)
I do want to the 5070 Ti but I’m not sure if I can justify the price tag.
EsotericAbstractIdea@reddit
then get a 5060ti 16gb. make sure it's the 16gb version
Cifer_21@reddit (OP)
Im aware of the 5060 Ti 16GB but I don’t like the performance that much. Cards are available here at msrp btw
EsotericAbstractIdea@reddit
what about the amd 9070 xt? If it's performance you're after, the 16gb is going to be the bigger problem in the long term. if you already can't afford a 5070 ti, then you definitely wont be able to afford a 6070 ti with the way things are going.
Cifer_21@reddit (OP)
9070 XT is about the same price as the 5070 Ti. Its kinda frustrating that there is no good new card in the 500 euro price segment.
EsotericAbstractIdea@reddit
yup. watch the video
Jeep-Eep@reddit
16 gigs alone justifies the price jump, the 5070 is the worst -70 SKU in decades, it is wildly undercached for price.
user007at@reddit
Definitely. Get the ti
BeingRevolutionary70@reddit
Entirely depends on your use case. I got the 5070ti to play 4k native and it does that great. Now the 5070ti to 5080 is an insane price jump.
Sharp_eee@reddit
I think another way to think about it is you are potentially buying double the time that you would need to upgrade to another card with the 5070ti. Yes, the Ti today where you are is 47% more expensive but only 20-30% faster, but in 3 years time it might be 90% faster in a lot of games and allow you another 2-3 years of use before upgrading. This would then make the Ti a much much better value card.
KornInc@reddit
You just answered your question. Ram sucks and performance difference is totally normal.
Head_Exchange_5329@reddit
Value is the big question, Nvidia does not want to give you actual good value. All the cards are gimped and made lesser to create a massive distance to the 5090. The 5080 should've been at least a 24 GB card and even that has a lowly 16 GB. There's no real value to be had when you are buying the higher range cards, it's all overpriced. Justifying these purchases as a hobbyist gets harder and harder.
SAHD292929@reddit
Its worth it if the game or application you wanna run slows down because of its limitations. You can see the big difference when you play in 4k.
Fearless_Anything_76@reddit
My 5070Ti is just as solid in performance as my 4080 Super. Hard to pick the difference most of the time.
AidenHero@reddit
as a general rule of thumb, every extra frame of performance relatively compared both within CPU and GPU is more expensive then the last, so you should target a performance level within and then pay for that
You can also consider that there are some largely fixed costs, PSU/mobo/ram/case/fans/cpu cooler and that CPU/GPU costs could be taken as a whole output rather then any given part
If the total build cost would be 1500 pounds vs 1780 pounds, but the better build has the 5070ti vs 5070, thats a 19% cost increase but a 30% performance increase
As a more general note about why the card looks so good, is because it's tier of performance is genuinely good for the price. Its same performance as a 4080 super, with a 250 dollar lower MSRP and more features
There's also the huge issue with games, where it feels like games are getting so insanely demanding, faster then tech can keep up. If you're spending more for a new GPU rather then a used one, you really do want it to last
Cifer_21@reddit (OP)
Maybe I should have said that I’m not building a pc but I’m upgrading. But thanks, I’ll probably choose the Ti
bakuonizzzz@reddit
Because generation wise it didn't get shafted as much lower down the tier stack relative to the flagship.
and is relatively close to the 4080 super in performance. The only thing that didn't help it is the retailers/aibs and nvidia not making as much to cover for the supply.
Also it's like a card that hits the spot where it's overkill for 1440p meaning if you're just sticking to this resolution this card will likely last for quite a while like 5+yrs even for triple A gaming but if you use the 5070 if you're just gaming for triple A titles it's quite likely at 1440p in a few yrs you will hit the vram limit and then you start getting into the fact you need to turn down textures etc etc.
It's why the rx 9070 xt if it was also at it's actual msrp for everyone and i mean everyone not just the ppl that had microcenters would of been the biggest hit around the world and the 5070ti would of been punted into the abyss.
If the 5070 was 16gb while it didn't have a great generational uplift and borders and falls into the 60class card relative to the 5090 would of had a much better reception because it would be a decent card and vram proof.
ArchusKanzaki@reddit
It really depends on how you define "much better"
For example, a boost from 50 fps in 4K to 60 fps in 4K, is alot better than 200 fps in 1080p to 300 fps in 1080p. Its more of a threshold thing, and also future-proofing. Most people considering 5070 Ti, either currently have 1440p monitor or will change soon to 4K, in which every grunt of a GPU is more valuable and the 16GB of RAM ensure better future viability.
Infamous_Campaign687@reddit
Are any of them worth it is the question. But if you assume a 5070 is worth 600 euros, then the additional VRAM is worth at least 100 euros and the remaining 30% increase can be defended with the 20-30% increase in performance (you'll tend towards 30% as the resolution increases and the CPU stops being a bottle neck).
The 5070 ti is best pick in the 50-series unless you simply don't care about money. It's price can just about be justified relative to the other cards, which definitely cannot be said for the 5080 or the 5090.
upazzu@reddit
Probably the biggest difference is 4 extra gigs of vram