How common are "gated communities" in the usa?
Posted by daishukanami@reddit | AskAnAmerican | View on Reddit | 281 comments
I'm from Brazil, and here pretty much eveyone that has enough money (aka middle-upper class) lives at a gated community (we call them condominium, there are house condominiums and buildings too). And we have those pretty much everywhere, if you wanna be safe you kinda have to live in one of those, as street houses are often robbed (even with tall walls around) if you live in a big city.
When I traveled to the US I already knew you guys mostly have houses without any walls around it, and I didn't see any gated communities while I was there, so I was wandering: are those a thing at all? maybe it's popular in higher criminality cities?
unix_name@reddit
There are plenty around me in AZ but they aren't as common. It's more common to live in a non gated community.
spotthedifferenc@reddit
basically unheard of in the northeast. rich people just live in nice towns with a small gate at the driveway at most
CrashZ07@reddit
There's a lot in the Poconos.
Lucky-Paperclip-1@reddit
One of can argue that every doorman building in NYC is a gated community.
Come to think about it, the number of units in a big apartment building likely exceeds the number of houses in many suburban gated communities.
vinyl1earthlink@reddit
There are three gated communities in Greenwich alone - Belle Haven is the most famous one.
NFLDolphinsGuy@reddit
They uncommon and for the wealthy. Often, they’re country clubs of some sort, so the fence is also there to keep you off their golf course.
WaltKerman@reddit
Most of these places don't need it.
If you live in an unsafe area, you will see people with bars on their windows and reinforced doors, which is cheaper than a wall with spikes around your house.
samelaaaa@reddit
Is it actually only a 20% chance? I must have lived in Georgia and Utah too long but I thought a majority of American households had guns
AndrasKrigare@reddit
Technically it's 42% of households overall, but only 28% in urban areas
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/24/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/
Lupiefighter@reddit
I do think it’s interesting about the non gun owners that are part of the 42% that live in a household with a gun. According to this study 69% of those folks don’t feel comfortable living in a household with a gun.
Medical-Afternoon463@reddit
Why? I feel uncomfortable when I know that people don't have guns
H3artlesstinman@reddit
It’s probably different reasons depending on the person but I’ve seen a few studies indicating that having a gun in the home increases the risk of gun related violence. Most of the time the person attacking you is someone you know, not an intruder.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/07/guns-handguns-safety-homicide-killing-study
kidfromdc@reddit
Different environments they grew up in. I would be very uncomfortable in a house with firearms because I didn’t grow up with any. Never been hunting, we’re not a military household (apart from my grandpa who was in the Air Force in the 50’s), no law enforcement connections (apart from a few family friends in federal agencies). I’ve never felt the need for a firearm because I grew up in a safe area and the chances that there would be an unintended injury are higher than the chances for it actually being useful
Lupiefighter@reddit
I don’t know. I just found it interesting. Also not surprising because we have a range of feelings when it comes to gun ownership in this country. Even within a single household.
im-on-my-ninth-life@reddit
Who are these? Is it someone who disagrees with their spouse about gun ownership? Is it adult children who live with their parents and disagree with their parents about gun ownership?
JudgeWhoOverrules@reddit
Really really depends what urban area we're talking about.
flying_wrenches@reddit
Most people don’t advertise that they are armed which makes that number difficult to confirm..
Sheetz_Wawa_Market32@reddit
Really? Most gun nuts don’t seem capable of shutting up about it. 🙄
indiefolkfan@reddit
You would be surprised. There's a ton of closeted gun nerds out there. It's not something I ever bring up outside of gun circles in real life unless someone else does. Otherwise I am very far from the image of a stereotypical gun guy. Heck the conversation came up at work once and about all of my a coworkers (who are young women in their 20s/30s) mentioned they owned at least one firearm. Then again I live in the south.
flying_wrenches@reddit
I mean, talking about it online and in person are both very different.
Some people do like to advertise stuff and have stickers implying they have a gun. It’s foolish.
Darkdragoon324@reddit
More people are armed than just the nuts.
Academic-Balance6999@reddit
I grew up in California and never met a single family that had a gun. And I asked too because I didn’t want my children playing at another house where the guns weren’t well secured.
Cheap_Coffee@reddit
Why would you assume they told you the truth? If I were to keep a weapon handy for defense I wouldn't advertise it.
Academic-Balance6999@reddit
I guess I assumed that our kids’ school classmates’ parents weren’t lying to us. You would lie when people ask if you have a gun? It seems like you’re missing out on a chunk of deterrence.
blindside1@reddit
You don't need to know if we are casual aquaintances. There is a "gray man" principle in self-defense of not standing out. Don't wear a "Magpul" shirt and don't wear a NRA hat. Now if you know me I will probably be inviting your kid to come out and shoot bows and BB guns in the backyard (supervised) and you could probably make a guess that I don't stop there with shooting sports.
If your hobby is hunting then it is different, wear your Realtree camo shirt and it is just assumed you will have a gun at home.
Sufficient_Cod1948@reddit
In my experience there are two types of gun owners: Those who never talk about it and you would never know they own a gun unless the need for it arises, and those who will never shut up about how they are carrying a gun.
Lupiefighter@reddit
I know plenty of people in the grey area as well. They will talk about it if it comes up in conversation, but they are otherwise concealed.
blindside1@reddit
I tell my kids to not talk about the fact that we have guns.
Where I live in Washington right now I have no idea.
When I lived in Wyoming? 90% is an understimate.
OmericanAutlaw@reddit
interestingly enough i also grew up in california and felt like every other person i knew had a gun
HidingInTrees2245@reddit
I lived there for 20+ years and just about everyone I knew had some guns, and we lived in a very urban area populated with techies. So it's not just the country people with guns.
No_Poet_7244@reddit
Half of California is just Alabama but temperate.
DeathByBamboo@reddit
More like Arkansas, really.
TangerineTangerine_@reddit
Northern California here and most everyone I know has guns, most also have concealed carry permits. Many gated communities in the area but also, almost every house now has a home security system. Many many apartment complexes are also gated, more as a selling point to give the impression of security but those fences aren't really securing anything.
Academic-Balance6999@reddit
Really? We lived in SF, so definitely a different area. Not many (if any?) gated communities in the city.
TangerineTangerine_@reddit
Yes, the Bay Area has a much different view about guns and much different housing than cities further North. Different worlds entirely :)
Quenzayne@reddit
Guns we’re all over my house in MA because my dad was a detective. There was a shotgun, rifle, and at least two pistols in his bedroom closet my entire life. Loaded.
But, that said, he generally supported gun control just because the average person doesn’t know what they’re doing and shouldn’t be walking around armed. He thought it should be mandatory to take a safety course, undergo mental health evaluation, and follow strict safety guidelines in order to get one.
Also, he was the on would have to come along after gun violence was committed and wade through the mess. That will color your opinion on any subject when you deal with the ugly consequences every day.
ketamineburner@reddit
Same. Also always asked when my kids were growing up.
christine-bitg@reddit
This assumes that they would answer you truthfully.
StrongTxWoman@reddit
I live in Texas and it is mandatory to have guns!
katojouxi@reddit
20% on paper 99% in actuality
RedSolez@reddit
I've lived in the northeast all 42 years of my life and have never seen a civilian with a gun. I only know a few families who own guns for hunting, and they keep them locked up when not in use so I've never seen them.
GotWheaten@reddit
My neighborhood in metro Phoenix is probably 90% armed.
alaskawolfjoe@reddit
I lived in a neighborhood like that. I got out and immediately felt so much safer.
JudgeWhoOverrules@reddit
Do you not trust your neighbors over strangers?
alaskawolfjoe@reddit
Why would I trust anyone I do not know just because they live in my part of town?
At least once a year there was some news story about a kid injured by a gun, so...
JudgeWhoOverrules@reddit
The fact that you don't know any of your neighbors speaks volumes.
alaskawolfjoe@reddit
How would I know the hundreds (or even thousands) of people living in my neighborhood?
alaskawolfjoe@reddit
I know the people who live immediately by me. But do you know all 500, or 1000, or 1500 or 2000 people who live in your neighborhood?
I work for a living, so I don’t have time to meet them all
KnotiaPickle@reddit
This is a wild and sad comment
12B88M@reddit
And most wouldn't answer a poll that asked if they owned a gun.
ShoddyRevolutionary@reddit
I’ve never owned a gun. By contrast, my roommate Rusty Shackleford… lost all of his guns in a boating accident.
seanx40@reddit
Same here in the lower income suburb of Detroit. I know at least the 6 houses closest to me are all armed. Took my next door neighbor to a three gun match. He did ok. The neighbors on the other side both have carry permits. Have gone to range with them multiple times. Showed the South Asian guy across the street how to disassemble and clean his 590. Someone coming to this street with bad intentions is going to have a rough time
Wolfman1961@reddit
Definitely not in New York City. I don't know ANYONE who owns a gun. People thinking that the USA is a "gun nut" culture obviously has never been to the USA. It's not a Charles Bronson movie out there.
JudgeWhoOverrules@reddit
Meanwhile here in phoenix, a good 70 to 80% of households will have guns.
Wolfman1961@reddit
Absolutely.
But there's a stereotype that we are like the Old West.
JudgeWhoOverrules@reddit
The old west wasn't even like the old west people stereotype based on eastern dime novels and later Hollywood portrayals.
Wolfman1961@reddit
I agree with that. It's all a stereotype.
WolverineHour1006@reddit
In my state less than 15% of households have a gun.
Vivid_Excuse_6547@reddit
The only people I know with guns are hunters or cops.
Pitiful_Bunch_2290@reddit
Oklahoma and Texas here. 85% chance.
StrongTxWoman@reddit
In Texas, it is mandatory to have guns!
kidfromdc@reddit
And the people who could afford to live in a gated community tend to just live in a nicer/safer area. There are a few gated neighborhoods near me (in an already HCOL/safe/nice area) and it’s more of a status symbol than anything
im-on-my-ninth-life@reddit
20 is low
daishukanami@reddit (OP)
yeah makes sense lol
SurroundTiny@reddit
The only gated communities i k ow are the higher class neighborhoods that want to keep out the riff-raff. It's more a question of class than safety
CupBeEmpty@reddit
At least around me there are some gated apartment complexes that are fairly middle class. They don’t have walls around the whole thing but there’s a gate controlling the vehicle entrance.
HarveyNix@reddit
They're mostly about keeping out "unnecessary" traffic: drivers idly wandering into the neighborhood, those wanting to sell stuff or do some religious proselytizing, or indeed people of the "wrong" sort, sometimes racially different or not in line with the neighborhood's preferred lifestyle. Some of these may be mainly about preventing crime; others may protect bigots from diversity.
Head_Razzmatazz7174@reddit
That last line pretty much sums up a lot of them.
StrongTxWoman@reddit
Depends on where. A nice area with HOA usually will have gate.
Mine doesn't but my area connect to side streets.
Jdevers77@reddit
HOA has nothing to do with it, more than 60% of all single family stand alone homes have an HOA.
vaspost@reddit
according to Realtor.com 38.2% of existing homes have an HOA.
Jdevers77@reddit
But that’s ALL homes so includes multifamily, apartments etc.
vaspost@reddit
Right. Condos are always going to have an HOA. So if condos are excluded the HOA rate for single family homes would be even lower.
Jdevers77@reddit
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/12/02/heres-what-the-rise-of-homeowners-associations-means-for-buyers.html
65% of new homes, I didn’t see the new part of that when looking earlier.
vaspost@reddit
Yeah. I'm not surprised on new homes. It seems like every house in a platted development has an HOA.
Alternative_Cause186@reddit
I’m from a small town in central Florida that has tons of gated communities. Totally normal suburban houses, just gated. There aren’t even amenities like a pool they’re trying to keep people out of. It cracks me up because it’s so unnecessary.
WaltKerman@reddit
Well I'm from Texas and the one I lived in needed it.
The cartels would just jump the fence and steal about 20 catalytic converters in an hour and then be gone.
Did it to me five times... I've since moved to a non gated community.... but a safer area.
thunder_boots@reddit
Drug cartels aren't interested in scrap metal. They have more lucrative business ventures, like drugs.
PheonixRising_2071@reddit
That cracks me up. I’m in NE Ohio and even the really rich neighborhoods ($1 million homes) with all kinds of amenities aren’t gated. Hell. I live really close to where LeBron James used to live in Ohio and you can just drive right up to his house.
Davina_Lexington@reddit
My aunt lives in a sketchy area and the house already came with those gates. She has a sticker on her door that says, 'this house is GLOCK protected' 🤣🤣 she is also crazy.
r2k398@reddit
The places that are gated where I live don’t really need it for crime. They just want to keep the poors out.
docfarnsworth@reddit
They exist, but generally they arent really for security. My mom lives in one and it has one of these to stop you getting in, but there is also a sidewalk right next to it.
ncsuandrew12@reddit
That's common in poorer nations, too. Limiting access to vehicles but not pedestrians doesn't mean it's not for security. There are ample security reasons to want to focus on bad actors with vehicles.
That said, gates community security in the US is in my experience a total joke and more of a security blanket than actual security.
MaterialInevitable83@reddit
Really? Most of the gated communities in my area have armed guards at every gate to keep out anyone not on the list. Plus cameras that issue speeding tickets at most of them.
Parking_Champion_740@reddit
Armed guards? No they are most certainly not armed
ncsuandrew12@reddit
That's west coast for you, I guess.
Yossarian216@reddit
Almost all security is like that across the board, because actual serious security is extremely inconvenient.
ncsuandrew12@reddit
Yeah, but especially so in this case. Like my in-laws' Guatemalan gated community uses fingerprint scanning for gate access or the host has to come escort the guest in. (And there's a gate on the pedestrian access. That's hardly foolproof, but it's certainly more secure than what I've seen of middle-class US gated communities.
ToumaKazusa1@reddit
But it's also much more inconvenient. Say you want to have a party, are you going to be running out to the gate a dozen times to let everyone in?
Much easier to text them all the passcode and let them come in themselves.
The perceived risk of allowing random people to sneak into the community would have to be very high before people would want a security measure that inconvenient in order to deal with it.
shammy_dammy@reddit
I live in Mexico. We have a phone app that creates one use codes for entry. And it has a 'preferred provider' and 'family' list to automatically create codes for people on it when requested by them. If that fails, then there's the option to actually call the humans that are at the gate 24 hrs through it. For residents, it uses facial recognition to open the gate.
ncsuandrew12@reddit
Yeah, we know. There's a good reason the security is a joke, but that doesn't mean it isn't a joke.
Alternative-Law4626@reddit
I was in a pretend security gated community in northern Virginia. We always had a live gate guard and access was limited to 2 entrances. In later iterations of the security program you had to actually identify any visitors or at least the company they were from and when they were expected in order for them to be allowed access.
It was an easy compromise and you could control it from your phone. At least if provided some way for the guards to exclude people that wasn't too much of an inconvenience.
shammy_dammy@reddit
I live in a gated fraccionmento in Mexico. Security is pretty darned serious here.
im-on-my-ninth-life@reddit
Which are mostly invented by people with anti-car bias.
ncsuandrew12@reddit
...lol, no. It's a lot harder to kidnap people or steal TVs and the like without a car.
shammy_dammy@reddit
They are a thing, but as an American who moved to another country where they're very prevalent (sitting in one right now) they're not nearly as common as here in Mexico. The last two places I've lived here have both been gated with 24hr live security. And in the US I lived in an apartment complex with the most useless attempt at being 'gated' where it was basically a farce. One lifty arm that went up with a code...and then five cars would hurry through before it went down again. Nothing to stop pedestrians at all.
JoshWestNOLA@reddit
Very rare, only for the wealthy. And they're not really necessary except in certain areas.
GenericUsername19892@reddit
The gate doesn’t really stop people getting in, it provides legal reasons people can’t knock on my door at all hours trying to sell shit or convert me.
megafly@reddit
People with money choose not to live in “high crime” areas.
Key-Candle8141@reddit
They exist
There are even some some middle class apartment buildings with fences and gates
But they are all laughable easy to defeat
Recent_Permit2653@reddit
Gated communities definitely exist - it’s usually more security theater than actual security, but what I’ve heard from folks who live in them is that it’s a bit more about anonymity/quiet than anything else. Gated communities are almost always expensive, and big time movers and shakers value that sense of serenity very highly.
Gated communities typically are in/around already wealthy areas. Some apartment complexes are also entry-controlled like a gated community. They aren’t always high-end complexes, either.
witchy12@reddit
They exist, but mostly for rich people. Your normal middle class person is just going to live in a house in a neighborhood or in an apartment.
im-on-my-ninth-life@reddit
Also middle class people only live in an apartment if they live in/near a major city. In lower cost of living areas middle class people can afford a house or at least a condo.
witchy12@reddit
Ehh, not necessarily true. I feel like there's at least a few apartment buildings in the "downtown" of most towns/cities, not just big cities.
im-on-my-ninth-life@reddit
Yes it is. The people that live in downtown apartments of non-major cities are lower than middle class.
witchy12@reddit
Yeah, again, not necessarily true. Lots of people, especially young people, don't have the money or desire to buy a home or a condo. And no, not being able to afford a house or condo does not make you lower class.
im-on-my-ninth-life@reddit
I'm done with this bullshit. Fuck gen z, they ruined everything.
RuneScape-FTW@reddit
In the USA , gated communities are in nice, relatively safe areas. That, and to enclose an apartment complex.
im-on-my-ninth-life@reddit
In college towns they are somewhat common (because they make parents feel better) but I've also not seen any gated community where the gate was effective enough to justify it. For example I've visited people's residences at gated communities and have often found the gate open in the evening or at night.
Busy-Enthusiasm-851@reddit
I have a big gate and wall, dogs, and dedicated armory. Never been robbed.
Swampy1741@reddit
I’ve found it pretty regional. I knew a decent number of them in Texas, but hardly ever encounter them in Wisconsin. I had a friend who said they were everywhere in Vegas but I can’t tell you if it’s accurate.
QuietObserver75@reddit
FL seems to have a lot, but it wasn't a thing in Upstate NY.
Silt-Sifter@reddit
There are so, so many in Florida. Sometimes they are extremely nice, like I've seen a few that REQUIRE a 10 foot buffer of native landscaping between homes. And some are so disgustingly barren and hot because there's no shade.
Not_an_alt_69_420@reddit
I do work in Wisconsin, and the only gated communities I can think of are in the suburbs within bussing distance of the shitty part of Milwaukee, and ones near public hunting land.
Fumblerful-@reddit
Compared to Los Angeles, I think the gated community per capita is higher in Vegas from my visits there and living in LA.
silkywhitemarble@reddit
I've lived in both L.A. and Vegas--most of the gated communities here are "newer" than L.A.--maybe from the 80's until now. Lots and lots of planned communities with at least walls to section them off.
silkywhitemarble@reddit
I live in Vegas, and yes they are everywhere, but most aren't secured, gated. communities. I have lived in 3 so far with "gates": one had the gates always closed and you needed a code to get in (rental office wasn't enclosed in the gates), one had gates, but they were just for "show" (I guess) and never closed, and the one I'm at now the gates are open when the rental office is open, they you need a key card/code to get in. Here, we are supposed to have security, but I think it's just someone who drives through every so often at night in an unmarked vehicle.
Vladith@reddit
I strongly suspect it depends on how new most development is. Gated communities are ubiquitous in Florida, Texas, and Nevada, all states which have grown rapidly since the 1980s.
CROBBY2@reddit
Wisconsin you will sometimes see them around golf clubs, but like others have said, it's more for show than actual security.
tdoger@reddit
Yup, never saw one in Oregon where I grew up. But they’re decently popular in Texas. But it’s still pretty unnecessary in Texas.
lwaxanawayoflife@reddit
Agreed. I live in Wisconsin. I only know of one in my area. It is very expensive. My parents live in the Phoenix area and have lived in 3 different gated communities. It also seemed more common in Florida. My in-laws lived in one there. Both my parents’ and my in-laws’ gated communities were more “middle-class” than the one in Wisconsin.
gitismatt@reddit
live in vegas. it's accurate. there's also varying degrees of gated. some are just a literal gate. some have an actual guard that anyone coming in has to register with
Alternative-Law4626@reddit
I lived in one for 18 years. It was not correlated to need for security. The reason I wanted to live there was more because it was a cohesive whole in an area that was still being developed. There's no telling what they might build, but I knew that at least our neighborhood was safe from weird or harmful things because they would not be able to build them in the gated community. 15 years later, they were looking to build 120 foot electrical towers. I was glad I was in the gated community and that was not something they could put in our neighborhood.
Some places, like Florida, seem to have a lot of gated communities. They weren't really common until the last 40 or so years. Older neighborhoods probably won't have them and you generally don't see anything like that in a city. There may be exceptions, I haven't been to every city in the US.
Low_Attention9891@reddit
They have them where I live, but they’re typically just for show to make it feel exclusive. Someone could still sneak in if they wanted. Conversely, I typically see more of them in lower crime suburbs.
I’ve seen a few where they just turned off the gate and left it open. It seems like a stupid expense.
javiergoddam@reddit
They exist but it's not the same as in the densely populated 3rd world
Ear_Enthusiast@reddit
In my town we have two. They both have an armed guard on duty 24/7. They're the most redundant thing in the world. They're both in two of the nicest areas of town, where a crime is least likely to be committed.
somecow@reddit
Very common. Especially for apartments. They don’t do a damn thing as far as security goes, the code is 1234. It just keeps the pizza guy and the ambulance out. More of a “we have gates so give us your money please” thing. Right up there with “we have a pool, but kids constantly pee in it”, or “free laundry, but constantly in use because we only have two machines”.
WVildandWVonderful@reddit
I’m wary of gated communities. Here’s one wealthy neighborhood that contains a public park and is now trying to add private gates (excluding other drivers from a public park!).
krill482@reddit
Not really needed here. When I lived in DFW some middle/mid upper class people had something similar, but with high (12ft) wood planked fences in the backyard with a retractable gate for security and better curb appeal. The houses in the hood usually have steel windows and doors. I've seen documentaries on favelas in Brazil and the roughest hoods in the US don't even come close to how crazy it gets over there.
Bear_necessities96@reddit
Very common specially in suburbs
Financial_Month_3475@reddit
Gated communities are usually exclusive to the upper-middle class to very wealthy.
Most of us normal folk don’t make enough for those neighborhoods.
I lived in the Philippines for a while, and the living arrangements sound similar to Brazil.
daishukanami@reddit (OP)
haha people here often call philippines our asian brothers because of many similarities in our contries
Dear_Milk_4323@reddit
Even within gates communities in the Philippines, most houses still have walls around them. Is it like that in Brazil?
Applesauceeenjoyer@reddit
They exist here but they’re generally for privacy, not security. There’s a perception that the U.S. is very dangerous and so rich people live behind gates, but that’s not true. The vast majority of violent crime is focused on areas where no rich people live. Even Jeff Bezos, one of the richest Americans, famously has a wall of bushes—not a security wall—in front of his Florida mansion
Allaiya@reddit
There are some gated communities in wealthier areas. I live not far from some. But many still are open, even in wealthy areas. & most houses generally are open or will have a fence and/or security system.
Quirky-Jackfruit-270@reddit
I lived in a few and they weren't worth the monthly fees.
There was code to get in the gate and everyone in the city whoever worked delivery knew it because a lot of the residents didn't want to have spend the extra 3 seconds of their life to buzz you in or worse go out to the security desk to pick up their package, pizza, or escort their help.
then, there was all the times when the gate was busted because some asshole thought it was taking to long to open and would ram it.
Then, whenever anyone was selling/leasing their house/condo/ the real estate or leasing agent would open all the gates and leave them locked open the whole day.
HereForTheBoos1013@reddit
We do have gated communities, but they seem to be getting less popular (thank god). There's not that much safety benefit to being in one (I watched guys easily scale the fence at one place I lived) and they can have significant downsides, the most prominent of which is that they can delay emergency services from reaching you. I am more likely to die of heart disease than be violently murdered, so I would much rather have an ambulance be able to get to me immediately rather than dealing with bypassing a gate code. Also makes having visitors a PITA.
I think some studies showed that there was a drop in crime rate for about the first nine months, and then it returned to whatever the default was before the fences went in. Other countries probably wildly differ and I've been to plenty of countries where walled in homes were the norm.
CuppaJoe11@reddit
Common, but not every rich person lives in one. Although you will only find rich people in gated communities
Gated communities are also not just a fence 90% of the time. Usually you pay a monthly HOA fee and the HOA does landscaping, maintains amenities (pool, tennis courts, etc) and hires security guards to patrol.
mattinsatx@reddit
Here in south Texas they are fairly common. They are a pain to live in once they get older. The HOA is expensive and powerful.
Playful_Fan4035@reddit
Despite people often making the US sound as if it is some hellscape of gunfire and violence, it is not. I do not know anyone personally who has ever had their home robbed whether they lived in the city, suburbs, or rural area—rich or poor. Of course it happens, but it’s very rare.
Gated communities exist here, but are mostly a prestige thing for upper middle class or rich people than a security need.
Ilmara@reddit
My parents live in a gated community. It's not a security thing. It's because they have amenities (private beach, walking trails, clubhouse, pool) they don't want the general public using. They're paid for in the monthly HOA fee.
Karen125@reddit
We're armed.
Uhhh_what555476384@reddit
Lots of people tried to make them a "thing" in the 1990s but most Americans just don't think they justify the cost. It's mostly a thing for the Uber wealthy. People with true "f* you" money.
BM7-D7-GM7-Bb7-EbM7@reddit
In Texas at least, most of the neighborhoods with f-you money, the uber wealthy, are not gated.
They occupy a weird upper middle class "nouveau riche" niche where it's people who are trying hard to look like they have money.
Uhhh_what555476384@reddit
The only places I've encountered true gated communities are in waterfront places in So. Cal and the SE.
mls96749@reddit
even most uber wealthy don’t live in gated communities at least I don’t think… in some of the richest neighborhoods in the DC suburbs there are neighborhoods with huge multimillion dollar mansions on good size lots but none of them are gated
blitzzo@reddit
Same in Dallas, they've got 4-10 acres of land and 0 control over who enters. Most of the gated communities I see are actually in moderately priced neighborhoods that aren't far from the average non gated community (minus HOA fees)
o93mink@reddit
No. It’s what upper middle class people do to pretend to be uber wealthy. The uber wealthy do not live in some generic golf course community in suburban Dallas.
ncsuandrew12@reddit
Yeah, they might have gates (and/or walls), but they're not in gated communities.
Chicken-n-Biscuits@reddit
I was gonna say even in my not-so-rich hometown a bunch were built in the 90s and early 2000s and over the years many have done away with the gates. It was a status symbol for a bit but honestly are a pain in the ass.
Uhhh_what555476384@reddit
More useful for someone with a justified fear of being confronted by a reporter then a mugger.
momamdhops@reddit
I live in a town outside of Dallas, the crime rate is truly nonexistent in the suburb I live in and the neighborhood we live in, is gated. No need for it, but the new neighborhoods in my area are building these fully gated communities.
The gate for homeowners is tied to our Toll-Tags so it’s not inconvenient, just not necessary…
I like to think it will buy us an extra few hours during a zombie apocalypse scenario, so that’s a bonus….
ryguymcsly@reddit
There was a period of time during the 80s and 90s where developers tried to turn them into a thing. Prior to that they sorta were a thing off and on, but less for crime and more for keeping 'undesirables' out. Essentially neighborhoods full of rich-ish white folks who only want to live near other rich-ish white folks.
In some areas they serve kinda the same purpose. Private security behind the gates, a checkpoint if you're driving in. Mostly though, they use them to keep the streets quiet. You can't have an unexpected visitor or a door-to-door salesman or political canvasser in those neighborhoods. People pay for that privilege.
In the rest of the country getting your house robbed is incredibly uncommon. I won't say it doesn't happen, but it's pretty rare. Most of the crime we have around our homes are people stealing things from the yard/garage. Anyone who keeps valuable stuff in the house generally has an alarm and/or firearms.
Toriat5144@reddit
I’ve known of a few but they are not really that common.
Sassifrassically@reddit
I grew up in a partially gated community. You couldn’t drive in without a remote but you could walk in. I think it was mostly so people couldn’t speed through as a shortcut to the mall (which was across the street)
JoshHuff1332@reddit
Depends. Most gated communities dont have guards or anything, and the mored wealthy you get, the more you see gated residences, rather than gated communities. In bigger cities, you do see it a fair amount with upper middleclass and up though.
jvc1011@reddit
They exist out here in the outer suburbs. Mostly they feel like they’re designed to maintain racial segregation rather than for security.
law_dweeb@reddit
Can be regional. E.g. Las Vegas, NV has tons of them. But Phoenix, AZ has far far fewer
sadthrow104@reddit
Phoenix has a lot of gated apartments compared to some places Ive lived. Across the entire income threshold too.
illhaveafrench75@reddit
I was gonna say I live in a gated apartment and I’m in Glendale lol. But it’s not like it’s secure. If you want to get in you can just follow someone in lol.
r2k398@reddit
Every city I have lived in has had quite a few gated communities but the vast majority of communities are not gated.
vamothgirl@reddit
My apartment was gated, but that’s because we were a half mile down the street from a major sports complex, across the street from a very busy shopping center complete with Costco and Ikea, and right in front of a trolley stop. It was for keeping mooching cars out. And they tried, at least twice a week I’d see a non permitted car being towed that has followed someone in.
Remarkable_Table_279@reddit
I’d say the more affluent areas have them. But I don’t think security is the major concern…instead it’s for exclusivity…(don’t want other children to share the playground etc) don’t get me wrong I think security is a concern but it’s not the major concern.
slasher016@reddit
Very rare.
ATLien_3000@reddit
Not terribly common.
Most notably, while in your country (and many others) they're all but a requirement for physical safety, here it's more a lifestyle thing.
Privacy - not safety.
I can't think of anywhere where they exist for safety's sake; criminals don't travel in the US. If you're rich, you just live on the rich side of town and you'll mostly be left alone.
SteelRail88@reddit
A lot of it used to be deterrence. They didn't really stop anybody, but they knew every car and license plate that entered so that if something happened, you knew that they had an idea who was around.
Nowadays, with stolen cars and switched plates, nobody is going to give a damn if they get recorded. They are recorded on every street corner already.
Opening-Ad-2769@reddit
There are a lot of them in our area. They are not exactly for security so much as just keeping people out of the neighborhood in general. Or the walls are just to block road noise.
Our neighborhood has brick walls around the perimeter, but they are not for security. They basically keep out road noise. Our streets are public and open to anyone driving around.
Salty_Permit4437@reddit
They are very common but moreso to give an air of exclusivity, rather than security.
RedSolez@reddit
Gated communities are very much a regional thing as much as they are a socioeconomic thing.
Contrary to what foreign media might tell you, day to day life in the USA is generally very safe which is why most people don't need gates for safety, especially in wealthier areas (that's actually the irony- the wealthier you are, the fewer physical barriers you need for safety, unless you are so uber wealthy that you need private security). Whether or not a community is gated is more of a style feature. For instance, where my family in central FL lives, most middle class developments have gates. But where I live in PA you only ever see gates on age 55+ developments. I live in a housing development with an HOA where houses are currently selling for $800k and not only do we not have gates, but only about 40-50% of the homes even have a fence.
asielen@reddit
Most gated communities in the US are not super high security. And maybe counterintuitively gated communities tend to be popular in already pretty nice areas. There is also a wide range of how gated they actually are. Some are surrounded by medium height walls but no access control, ie no gate or guard but probably a single road in with a sign that says private. Others are higher security with 24/7 gate guards.
They are not super common in general, but common enough that you'll see them in most cities somewhere. Wikipedia says about 10 million homes in the USA in a country of 300 million people.
Often gated communities are created so cities don't have to maintain the infrastructure. Maintenance of single family home areas is becoming economically unfeasible, ie it costs more to maintain the roads/parks etc than the houses taxes bring in. Gated communities have home owners associations (HOAs), which have their own monthly maintenance fees, on top of a mortgage and property taxes.
ChocolateReal5884@reddit
"maintenance of single-family home areas it's becoming economically unfeasible.... More to maintain... then the house taxes bring in
Absolute claptrap.
if the taxes don't cover the costs the taxes go up.
This dude must be a urban planning graduate. You don't get this stupid without some help.
asielen@reddit
This is an issue in California where you can't raise taxes due to prop 13. The only hope is people sell their house so the new owner is at a higher tax basis. But with the high prices of houses and high interest rates, people are not selling their houses.
When I bought my house in CA from the original family who bought the house in 1950, the taxes on the house went up by 12x. Some of my neighbors pay less than a third of what I pay for property taxes for houses that are worth basically the same amount.
Other states have similar issues but not as drastic.
ChocolateReal5884@reddit
There is a mechanism for California residents to vote in "special taxes" that can solve their funding issues. People who think that their property values are going to be affected by failing infrastructure tend to be willing to vote Yes on such things.
Pkrudeboy@reddit
Raising property taxes is generally not a vote winner.
ChocolateReal5884@reddit
"raising property taxes Is generally not a vote winner"
Where I live in Michigan property taxes are controlled by the voters not the politicians and most millage proposals pass.
I believe it's this way pretty much across the United States.
BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy@reddit
You'd be wrong.
Pkrudeboy@reddit
You should examine your assumptions, because property taxes not only vary from state to state, but can also change between different counties in the same state.
Necessary_Half_297@reddit
I lived in a middle-class gated rental community in a medium-sized Midwestern city. I think they put up the gates to reduce traffic as people were cutting through to get to the adjacent Walmart.
ReadinII@reddit
Not common. Generally where there is enough money to build gated communities, there is also enough to fund the police. Also, city and county governments know their tax revenue comes from wealthy communities so they are motivated to provide extra police protection to them.
judgingA-holes@reddit
In my area the only gated communities are from the new "luxury" apartments that are getting built everywhere, or the rich snobs that live in gated lake front communities.
beebeesy@reddit
Gated communities are common but they usually are developments or higher valued area. My family's lake house was in one but the gate was just so people couldn't use our lake access and cause traffic at the boat ramps or use our fishing docks. We also drive golf carts and such around, and because we are a gated community, we don't have to abide by traditional public street laws. Cops also can't patrol them. However, my house isn't in a gated community and I don't worry about crime. I've accidentally left my garage doors open all weekend or my doors unlocked when I wasn't there and didn't have a single problem. And I supposedly live in a 'high crime rate' area.
DirectionImmediate88@reddit
There's a wealthy version, keeps the riff-raff out, and a more middle class one in some places, like southern Florida, a lot of gated neighborhoods there.
Cool-Coffee-8949@reddit
Not common in MA.
LifeIsAPhotoOp@reddit
I live in a gated community of regular houses. It doesn't really do much, and our neighborhood is safe to begin with (but there can be crime here just like anywhere else). It's only a deterrent but if criminals want to get in they will find a way in anywhere. When I visited South America I noticed a lot of homes had electric fences around them. Not as pleasing to the eye but it probably does the job!
KCalifornia19@reddit
Gated communities don't really exist for safety reasons. People with the money simply don't live in areas with safety concerns. In dense cities, neighborhoods are informally separated by class, so safety is less of a concern. I suppose if you wanted a comparison, then most apartment complexes are restricted access, but the degree to which security is enforced is variable. Most parts of the U.S. are safe enough where people generally don't worry about it.
watermark3133@reddit
They’re not too common, but they are out there.
When traveling through Latin America, especially through “good“ neighborhoods, I was struck by the homes surrounded by very high walls topped with barbed wire.
All I could wonder was, “who the heck are they trying to keep out?!”
TheRealDudeMitch@reddit
All the ones I can think of off the top of my head are neighborhoods associated with a private golf club.
huuaaang@reddit
If you live in a big city you would normally live in a building that would have it's own security. A gated community would be out in the suburbs where there is not much crime. Gated communities are more for show than actual security.
LetsGoGators23@reddit
I live in a suburb of Tampa that is entirely gated communities. It is incredibly safe, the gates are really to keep out solicitors and give a false sense of security. They all have codes that every delivery driver knows that they never change. A few have actual armed guards, which is much more effective, but really expensive and also totally unnecessary in this area.
Gates are a wealth projection and a security blanket, not a practical security measure to keep crime low.
harpejjist@reddit
It’s not common but it’s not unusual if that makes sense most cities and towns have them but there aren’t a huge number. People know what they are and understand how they work
They are not always wealthy communities. I used to live in a large apartment complex that was gated. It was not particularly posh. I never understood why they bothered with gates
ABelleWriter@reddit
I lived in a rough part of a city about 15 years ago and no one ever broke into my house, or attempted to. Our cars were broken into, and mine was vandalized. But our house was left alone.
Burglary is actually pretty rare in the US, less than 1% of the population every year gets their house broken into.
CarolinaRod06@reddit
I lived in a gated apartment complex once. It was more trouble than it was worth.
msabeln@reddit
I’m from St. Louis, Missouri, USA, and there are a number of private streets with gates. These are mainly in the Central West End neighborhood, and date from the late 1800s. The stated reason for building these was decreased traffic noise and reduced air pollution.
By the end of WWII, the whole idea of private streets was considered old fashioned and undemocratic. I don’t recall seeing any newer gated communities hereabouts.
gaoshan@reddit
There are quite a few gated communities but most of them are not super secure, just something to provide a private place for the residents and a minimal level of security (usually all you need in place with gated communities).
PriorSecurity9784@reddit
There are probably more than you would see visiting, because these tend to be suburban neighborhoods that you would have no reason to visit
But it mostly started in the 1980s where I am. Older neighborhoods (which can still be expensive) were not built as gated communities.
So if you visit a city and are downtown and neighborhoods around downtown, probably won’t see many gated
Elixabef@reddit
We have tons in Florida. It’s less a safety thing and more that some folks think it’s fancy.
pokentomology_prof@reddit
Technically my community is gated and there’s probably about 10% of complexes that are in my city, but it’s not like…well gated if that makes sense? Like anyone could just walk in if they wanted to and during normal business hours the gates are always open for cars. It’s just a little harder for cars to get through outside of business hours.
I think it’s dumb and unnecessary personally. It’s a safe area and I don’t see the need for the gates. That’s a pretty common thought in both the cities I have lived in (which are both relatively safe, low violent crime areas).
HidingInTrees2245@reddit
There are definitely gated communities all over the US, usually where people with higher incomes live, not necessarily rich, though.
And it's true that many of us have guns. I have some and also two large dogs of a breed that are very scary looking. (Don't tell the criminals that mine are sweet babies.) I also have motion lights outside. The last time they went off it was the neighbor's cow who got loose in the middle of the night. 😄
blipsman@reddit
Gated communities with actual security, security walls, etc. are not all that common in the US. You may see such security on individual homes of some high profile billionaires or well known celebrities but not that common for regular upper middle class/upper class areas. At most you might see a security booth entering a subdivision that does a cursory check of vehicles entering, eg. stopping and asking who they're visiting. But somebody could also just park outside the gate and walk through somebody's yard to get into the community because there's no perimeter wall or anything.
Gokies1010@reddit
It depends on the region. They’re more popular in Sun Belt states (ex. Florida, South Carolina, Texas, etc). I’ve found them to be very uncommon in rust belt states and the northeast. Fun fact- they don’t stop crime from happening. It’s almost entirely just theater, makes the residents feel exclusive and safe. Some aren’t even surrounded with a fence, and just have a front gate. I find them terrible for walkability and those who don’t have access to a car, but maybe that’s the point.
Region_Rat_D@reddit
In my experience gated communities exist as clusters of McMansions located in former corn fields on the outskirts of suburbia.
ChanclasConHuevos@reddit
There’s only one where I live and it just happens to be the world’s only private mountain ski resort.
eldritch-charms@reddit
I live in Alaska and we don't generally have gated communities here afaik. I could be wrong. Maybe they have them in Anchorage... but I doubt this since almost everyone is heavily armed.
RobinFarmwoman@reddit
Gated communities are for rich racists.
SnooChipmunks2079@reddit
They exist but they’re extremely wealthy people who don’t want the rest of us driving by or bothering them.
Some of them have security concerns based on who they are - CEOs, famous athletes or actors, politicians - but at least for the ones near me there’s no significant general crime concern.
mack_dd@reddit
The people who live in them tend to either be very rich (subdivisions with McMansions) or somewhat poor (apartment complexes in rough neighborhoods). Almost no one who is middle class lives in one.
One thing that is a bit more common (where I live) are subdivisions that are technically not gated communities, but have that gated community feel to it. What I mean by that is an area (sometimes, but not always) surrounded by a brick wall, with only one or two long, narrow streets coming out of it.
And sometimes, it even has that kiosk building thingy in the middle where a security guard would have been if it had been a gated community "for decoration"
dazzleox@reddit
I mean you're welcome to use this forum how you want to get anecdotal answers and I sincerely hope you got some interesting ones. But if you Googled this, you'd read there are an estimated 11 million homes in gated communities out of 128 million homes total. In 1997, it was only around 3 million homes, so it has definitely grown pretty quickly in some places.
They tend to be concentrated in sprawling, upper middle income and up areas of new construction (parts of California, Texas, and Florida come to mind.) I wouldn't say there is a high correlation based on crime rate; a lot our highest crime rate cities are in population decline and sometimes even have some suburbs in population decline.
Roboticpoultry@reddit
My parents live in one in SW Florida. To me it seems like every tract home development built in their area over the last 25 years is gated/controlled access
Psychological-Row880@reddit
It matters in culture of the area. DC area is vastly current than South Florida.
South Florida has a lot of gated communities, DC not so much.
Example : the Concessions, Lakewood Ranch , FL v Langley Farms, McLean, VA.
SollSister@reddit
Nearly every community where I live in Florida is gated. It’s very common here.
lendmeflight@reddit
This is the truth. Gated communities are not uncommon but are not the normal thing. The ironic thing is you will never find gated communities in high crime areas because people that can afford to live there don’t have to live in high crime areas. In America, gated communities are meant to keep poor people out. It has nothing to do with safety.
Sharkhottub@reddit
They are common in Florida but the security varies, further from the cities theres not even a gate, the distance is the security. While closer to the cities there will be a little keypad for access until you get to the inner cities and the nice ones with canal access and marinas will have a guardhouse. Also any of them with golf courses will have a guardhouse.
Bluemonogi@reddit
It isn’t very common in the middle of the US.
TheJokersChild@reddit
Gated = luxury. The gate adds a feeling of security for those who live in the communities, which are often planned and built by developers. They're often in areas that are reasonably safe to begin with, and the communities advertise themselves as "upscale" or "luxury," and are often restricted to those 55 and older.
Silly-Resist8306@reddit
Most of the gated communities in the US are in name only. There is nothing secure about them. It’s more decorative and keeps drive through traffic to a minimum.
Nofanta@reddit
Rare. Probably single digits of total dwellings.
12B88M@reddit
Yes we have gated communities. However, the reason they're gated is to improve the privacy of the residents, not security. The gates will generally just block off the streets, but not actually have a wall around them.
I have been in a few communities that do have actual walls all the way around them and hire their own security, but those are rare.
Appropriate-Food1757@reddit
Common, upper class communities. Upper idle class are more in low crime suburbs without the gate.
vaspost@reddit
As much as the media talks about violence in the US most places are very safe and have no need for active security (guards, high walls, etc).
If a particular area does become unsafe the people who are able will simply move to a safer area rather than invest in active security measures. This is the American way.
Gated communities are typically for show and don't add much real security.
nowthatswhat@reddit
Home break ins are very uncommon, and a good percentage of those are just people robbing people they know or people just walking in because the door was unlocked. Random forcible entry break ins are really uncommon in the US, you’re more likely to have someone break in to your car or grab a package off your porch, and that’s generally what a “gated community” here is mean to prevent. But because none of them are really that common gated communities are relatively uncommon.
LocaCapone@reddit
More and more of them are being built. And the people who live there are insufferable (sorry, people who live there)
mmaalex@reddit
Not super common, and a lot of the communities with gates, just leave them open 24/7 so they're essentially decorative.
More common are gated communities that are vacation rental/time share resorts. They gate the access to the whole place so that there can be various community features that they don't need to restrict access to.
Ok-Truck-5526@reddit
Big in the South. Up north, not so much.
Wolfman1961@reddit
In 99% of the USA, you don't need a "gated community" to be safe.
Even most of New York City is safe enough for there not to be a gated community. The worse that usually happens is someone breaks into your car, or you get your Amazon stuff stolen.
Ironically, I live in a sort of "semi" gated community, since there are security SUV's driving around my apartment complex most of the day.
eac555@reddit
I my area of California there are some. Most of them are in the nicest areas of cities.
TheShoot141@reddit
My cousins live in NW Arkansas. 90% of the housing where they are is gated communities. Its not for crime though, its just how it was developed. In order to being executives to WalMart HQ you need stuff. High level execs arent going to move to the middle of nowhere and there be nothing. So it got built fast. Gated communities are all I see out there. And brand new shopping centers, entertainment venues, playgrounds etc. Coming from PA where its very common to see 100+ year old homes dotted along roads it is a bit strange.
DogOrDonut@reddit
My in laws live in one and it's super annoying. There's absolutely no need for the gate, it adds nothing to security, it's just so people who live in the community can be pretentious.
Home break ins aren't much of a concern in the US. I never even locked my doors until I had a toddler. Now it's to keep him in, not other people out.
RusstyDog@reddit
There's a couple in my city, though one is a retirement neighborhood. (Have to be 55 years ir older to buy property there?)
Tinman5278@reddit
To be clear, the concept of "gated" is very different is different parts of the world. There aren't many places in the U.S. with walls surrounding a neighborhood. We have gated communities but the concept of more metaphorical than physical. Most of our "gated communities" can easily be accessed by walking around (or under) a gate is not by simply driving through an unlocked gateway.
MartialBob@reddit
Most of the gated communities I see aren't there for safety but just about isolating themselves from everyone else. They also tend to be more expensive than upper middle class.
TerranRepublic@reddit
In the US it's not about security as much as it is to keep the neighborhood "exclusive". Sure it probably does deter some small time crime (property theft) but I have never seen anything that would prevent a motivated actor.
LoriReneeFye@reddit
There are plenty of gated communities in the USA, filled with people complaining about Home Owners Associations (HOAs) and the fees associated with HOAs.
I hate gated communities and you couldn't give me a house in one, or pay me to live in one.
jreashville@reddit
They are not too common. Gates apartment complexes are a little more common. The complex next to mine is gates.
Lakerdog1970@reddit
It’s uncommon. Most people live in and about everybody else.
It’s actually a thing I notice when I travel. Lots more gated communities. It the US, we just live amongst the thieves, lol.
But also….most nations are so much more racist and classist than the US is.
No_Difference8518@reddit
When I was in LA, the hotel was across from a gated trailer park. I found that a little weird.
In England, in a small town there was a gated community. Which I also found weird.
So they exist... but I haven't seen many. Which may just be because I don't travel in the right circles.
I have never seen one in Canada. But then most people leave their doors unlocked during the day. Ummm.... for all the thieves reading this... I always lock the doors during the day.
ncsuandrew12@reddit
Common in the sense that most metro areas will have them. Rare in the sense that most people - even of the relevant wealth levels - do not live in one.
Honestly, I'm starting to associate gated communities with... not poverty, but a lower income tier of middle class. Most of the residential gated entrances I see these days are to dense apartment complexes typically inhabited by people who aren't poor, but aren't exactly rolling in cash either.
river-running@reddit
I live in a small city (50k) in the southeast with a higher than average number of upper middle class (or higher) households and we only have two gated communities, one of which is a retirement community. The other one isn't even in the city, it's in a semi-rural area near the city.
I'm also not including apartment complexes that have gates that require codes for access.
Above a certain income level, gated communities are not uncommon here, but I would say it's less about actual security concerns and more about the look of the thing.
Odd-Help-4293@reddit
I think there are some very rich people who live in gated communities in some places. But it's certainly not common.
Many condo buildings are locked and do require a key or code to enter the building. I think some of them in big cities will have an employee standing guard as well.
ZaphodG@reddit
I’m coastal southern New England. In my town, the only gates are summer communities with amenities like private beaches. There are five of those. You can’t gate a public street. There are people with large tracts of land who gate their driveway.
guitar_stonks@reddit
They were very common for new communities around Tampa in the 90s and early 2000s, but their popularity seems to have waned. Recent new communities don’t really have them and older communities with them seem to be leaving them open.
Outrageous-Table6524@reddit
It's not very common. Where I grew up, saying someone grew up in "a gated community" was an insult, not a neutral, factual statement.
Generally, too, they INVERSELY correlate to crime statistics. IE they're a predilection of rich areas putting up walls so those dirty, dirty upper middle class peons can't scale the walls.
OlderAndCynical@reddit
I'm in Hawaii where we have quite a few gated condominium communities. Each building has maybe 4 "condos" in the complex where my parents bought. It was a pretty solid middle class area in the west part of the island with everything from government subsidized apartments to military residents.
randypupjake@reddit
They do exist, but many neighborhoods are built far away from everything. Many large cities will have a few suburbs designed like mazes miles away from transit, stores, or even other suburbs separated by large roads or highways. But even within some of these small neighborhoods, they will have gated communities still.
Help1Ted@reddit
They seem fairly common here in Florida. But then again we have a very high number of Hoa neighborhoods. I’m pretty sure almost every neighborhood built after say 1990 or so likely has an Hoa. And of those most would have a wall built around the neighborhood. But only some of those will have a gate. Still very common in Florida. Some even go so far as having a guarded gate. Those aren’t as common as just having an electric keypad entry. Most “luxury” apartments or townhouse developments will probably have a gate. Often the gate doesn’t even work, or is just open all day and closed at night.
AKA-Pseudonym@reddit
My sense is that they're at least as much about keeping out traffic as they are about keeping out crime.
thebigbadwulf1@reddit
My parents live in one. It's a big remote community in the Carolinas that you would have no idea was there unless you were looking for it. It's a pretty limited clientele consisting of rich people who want to live in nature , live away from everyone, and don't mind driving half an hour to the nearest grocery store There is a gate attendant on call 24/7. They check your ID and require you to be on an approved list. The actual members have gate opener clickers, but I just have a sticker on my car- so while I still have to stop at the gate, they just wave me on through once they see the sticker. They also periodically pass through the neighborhood in a patrol car. They also do speed checks and will put a speeding fine on your member bill if they catch you. You get to know a lot of the staff members by name. my parents broke down once and were stranded. They were able to call the gate house and the lady on duty was able to let our dog out and feed him.
It's overall a pretty nice retirement. My mom and dad wake up and take a group fitness class which is limited to about 10 people. My dad plays golf about 3 days a week. Sometimes they ride horses on Fridays on the trails. My dad has a very small sailboat so sometimes he does that. We have a beautiful view of the mountains with walking trails that lead into the state park. My mom likes to read on her Kindle on the back deck. When I come home, we often eat at the golf clubhouse for dinner. They also do a lot of themed nights that have special menus. You also get the chance to talk to powerful people. I've taken spin classes which national names you would know.
It's very ideallic. Is there a downside to this lifestyle? I would say yes. There is no medical care nearby. It's an hour drive to do anything outside the community. It's kind of like living in a corporate town. Every amenity is available, but it's singular and provided by the overarching country club. When I said it's a limited clientele this is what I meant. The control they have over your property exceeds the average HOA. For instance, my parents rent out their house to other club members on their own rather than go through the official community rental portal. They make it very difficult and have given us grief up to and including legal threats All landscaping is done by the community landscaping team. Which kind of makes everything look the same over time. We have a very high population of black bear so garbage has to be secure. Also tourist season means the roads nearby are dangerous because everyone forgets how to drive when they stumble upon a scenic overlook.
daishukanami@reddit (OP)
Sounds very nice! If you like a more quiet lifestyle it's the perfect place, I can see why it would be popular amongst the eldely - just enjoying life after working all those years is heaven
Pitiful_Bunch_2290@reddit
Apartment complexes frequently have gates/fences. They're also frequently inoperable, but that's because apartment living tends to blow. Not too many communities have gates. Really ritzy ones might, but even that isn't common.
Good-Concentrate-260@reddit
I mean they are somewhat common, definitely not in my city. It’s kind of a suburban thing in a lot of wealthier, mostly white areas. To me, it’s ridiculous that people need to build walls and have guards to feel safe in the wealthiest country in the world, but it’s what they want to do. I think about 5% of Americans live in them.
I read this book last year, if you’re interested you should get a copy. https://www.brookings.edu/books/fortress-america/
kmoonster@reddit
When apartments (rental units) have three or more buildings it is common for them to have a gate, but those are more for parking than to keep anyone out. Most have a foot-gate.
You usually have to have a key or number-code to operate the gate for entrance, but when leaving the property you can just open the gate or pause your vehicle on a little "pad" that will trigger the gate automatically.
The sort of community you are describing is more common for upper middle-class, and are often related to golf courses or other amenities that are specific to the community. Some might have a pool, a cafe specific to the community, or other club/common areas that you have to be a member or guest to visit. Most cities / counties have at least one, but they are not an average situation.
In areas with "high" crime rates you will sometimes see windows with bars on the outside, or windows with wires in them. Both options make it difficult for someone to break in. Many properties will also have a taller fence (1.5-2 meters) but those tend to be more for privacy rather than security.
This is a window with bars: Villa_Capponi_-_South_Facade_-_Barred_Window.jpg (579×854)
This is a privacy fence (that can offer modest security): wood-fence-slidell-louisiana-fence-company-1-1568x1176.jpg (1568×1176)
daishukanami@reddit (OP)
I see! Thanks for the information.
Here we often merge both ideas: the security (most gated communities have a doorkeeper, aka someone who checks who goes in, who gets out, gets your deliveries for you, and look at the cameras 24/7, some gated communities also have security guards if they're upper class and also bigger territories, as to afford several guards to patrol the place)
and leisure (pools are very common, gyms too, golf isn't popular here so not that, but there's also volleyball/soccer courts in most of them, and a place for the residents to throw parties at)
basically the richer you are, the better the condominium, but pretty much all of them have the basics security stuff (doorkeeper, cameras, security system)
one thing that's also different it's that a lot of people who aren't rich live in those gated communities too, as there are all different types and prices and some are pretty affordable for middle class.
but yeah it's interesting to see how different societies develop the same idea but for different needs
kmoonster@reddit
I am intrigued by this. I spent some time in the Carribean once or twice and recall a lot of properties having concrete block walls around the property or courtyard that are plastered, and often have broken bottles/glass embedded into the plaster while it's wet in order to deter people from trying to climb over the wall without a crazy ladder setup. Doesn't stop someone who's determined but it's enough to stop the casual/opportunistic person, or the person who wants to be subtle (and not carrying around a bunch of big ladders).
Here in the US security in terms of actual guards/people does happen but it varies so much that there is no single description I can give.
There are security programs you can buy as a subscription, much as you would with a phone or internet connection - these don't have a human going to every property, instead the home is provided a set of sensors that detect things like: is the door or a window opened while the system is 'active'? Was glass broken? A motion detector may detect motion and turn on a light, as an example. The motion detector and sensors are connected to a dispatcher for the security company, and depending on your subscription the dispatcher may contact you (the owner/resident) and ask if you are home, is everything OK, and so on. Or they may send one of their own guards, or just call the police directly depending on the provider, the neighborhood or town, the options you've selected, and so on. Some also connect your smoke or other "toxic gas" detectors and can contact the fire department on your behalf.
In my apartment complex we have about ten buildings. During the day maintenance and office people are around, but the property owner has a contract with a private un-armed security service to have someone drive and walk around the property at night. Sometimes I see the person come into the building, they might check the basement (storage, garage) and the lobby. Sometimes they just drive around and keep an eye/ear for suspicious behavior. The gate on this property is fully un-staffed, you use a keypad to enter a code if you want to get in -- but there are other properties that sometimes DO have one gate with a person (and a second gate which might not be staffed).
Sometimes a tall building will have a desk in the lobby at ground-level that accepts packages and mail, and a rotating set of staff that all the residents know. You let the staff know if you are expecting guests or service (eg. a computer repair person) and the staff can let them into your apartment if you're not home (but the person is expected). If you are not expecting anyone and a random person asks to get into your apartment, the staff call you and do NOT let the person enter the building without permission from the resident. They serve as low-level security in many regards.
Others have "in-house" security, especially larger or wealthier buildings or developments. My apartment office contracts with third-party companies, but "nice" places will sometimes employ security directly rather than contracted. That gives the property owners more control, and the security teams often know the residents by name and vice-versa which is not necessarily a bad thing (but you have to be able to afford that!).
And a lot of neighborhoods of all types have a "community watch" program with residents who voluntarily call each other and/or police. For instance, if I am on vacation next week I might let the other neighbors on my street know I'm going to be out of town. If they see someone or hear something in/at my house, they know it's not me and either come over to check, or call the police. You hide a house key under a rock, under a flower pot, stick it underneath something with a magnet, set it on a rafter - something like that. If there is a problem while you are gone a neighbor calls you (or the police call) and you tell them how to find the key. And if there are no problems then your house is still secure, obviously.
In an apartment building/property, the property owner or office will have a copy of all the keys, obviously, so hiding a key is not important unless you are asking someone to come into your house to care for a pet or water your plants (and then you give them the key directly); but for people who own their house/condo then what I have described is the common solution for lower levels of security needs.
daishukanami@reddit (OP)
That's interesting!
Here we have the glass on top of the walls too, but eletric fences are more common: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTX8w7wL_WAJvgf7FL1_TeTyhhpSEWinAjJn4ZkZVchGdE7FU3EMkMESy0&s=10 as the name suggests, they eletrocute someone who is trying to trespass (The person will most likely fall and hurt a lot, or even pass out. Of course none of them have power to kill someone, and when they're touched by something, it alerts the person who is in charge of the condominium, like the doorkeeper, and they can look at the cameras to see what caused the disturbance) (fun fact: animals here learned to avoid those fences, in my neighborhood several opossums walk on the telephone lines and some of them manage to get inside my neighbors' or my house, and none of them ever got eletrocuted, they're pretty clever! birds don't touch it as well, I must assume they learned from others and as generations go by they still keep the habit of staying away from it)
About night watchers- we have those too, before I moved to the gated community I live now, I used to live in a street house, and there was a security guard the neighbors paid to patrol around the place at night, but despite that, and despite my house having a security system too, we were robbed 3 times.... the thing is, all those 3 times it was when we were parking the car or coming back from an outing, the robber probably was watching our home and approached us with a gun, once he got through the gate while my mom was parking, once he straight up approached her while in the car and put a gun to her head and made her open the door for him, and once it was a bit far away from home but we were in the same neighborhood visiting someone and a gang showed up and stole our car (fun fact i was a baby at that time, and they almost took the car with me inside, thank God that didn't happen or else i'd have lived a very different life). Anyway those 3 instances were different robbers and everyone was reported to the police and everything but unfortunately the police here doesn't like to work so they didn't do jackshit to solve the problem.
At that time my mom didn't work and my dad didn't have enough money for us to move, plus he did design the house from scratch so he was very attached to the place... but after a few years he got a promotion & mom started working again so we could afford to move. Since then i've never been robbed again, and none of my friends who live in those gated communities got robbed either, so that's great
Dazzling-Climate-318@reddit
In many places they are quite uncommon. As all expenses are the responsibility of the owners of gated communities the costs associated with them is significant which is a big disincentive to them. This included obviously the gates and gate systems, but also the roads, alleys, lights, etc. Snd by being cut off from the surrounding areas they are inconvenient for commuting, shopping or accessing churches, temples, parks and recreation areas.
Were I live has also confounded even Graduate Students ( I read one’s Master Theses on the subject ) because barriers are not put up between areas and neighborhoods of significantly different communities. It is literally possible and people do it to walk in the same sidewalk or drive on the same road as they go through very different communities and few of the house will have fences at all. I actually only know of one house that has a security fence and it’s our governor’s mansion.
As was mentioned elsewhere, gun ownership is high here. Also many people, including us have alarm systems and many parts of the U.S. have rather large numbers of Police forces associated with different levels of Government. While rural areas may have very limited Police presence, that’s not the case where I live and because of the demographics of Police officers and my neighborhood, many of my neighbors are police officers. Between them and the Military Veterans on my street and neighborhood criminals basically avoid it. They actually largely avoid my entire city and those from other Counties find out rather quickly they aren’t in the neighboring County and both the local Police and Courts don’t play.
BlowingOffSteam95@reddit
They're pretty common where I'm from. In fact, I work in one... I'm here now doing a night shift lol.
daishukanami@reddit (OP)
haha really? have a great day at work then!
ALoungerAtTheClubs@reddit
They're common in upper-middle-class suburbs. Most places are safe enough withiut those trappings though.
Boring_Detective142@reddit
I live in a very safe town and we still have gated communities. And they're all in the safest part of the town. It's all about status.
anneofgraygardens@reddit
very regional. My grandparents lived in a gated community in southern California (in Orange County) and I think there are quite a few of them in that area. My grandparents' community was specifically for seniors - i wasn't even allowed to swim in the community pool as a kid, something that really made me mad. Orange County is pretty safe, i think the appeal was that it was quiet and kids weren't messing around being annoying.
here in northern California I don't really ever see them.
Specialist_Crew_6112@reddit
There are some of them but it’s definitely not every upper middle class area. Saying someone lives in a gated community is basically like short hand for saying they’re rich and snobby.
Wheaton1800@reddit
Tons in Florida
DryFoundation2323@reddit
They exist, but are not that common.
daishukanami@reddit (OP)
images of reference if anyone is interested:
upper class: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcScYOt70JxkaH3Ncr_0blMzBRtdlldR95uYgdwANjkU_oTh7qOkiM7WSbUP&s=10
middle class: https://www.planoeplano.com.br/estatico/2023/06/02/17/23/23f01dac1c5b30a609dcb4e2fc27e39503060380.jpg
semisubterranean@reddit
I don't think there are any gated communities in my city, though there is at least one house with a gate and a wall. Inside, the house has hundreds of millions of dollars worth of original art, so I kind of understand that.
You're most likely to find gated communities in California, Arizona, Texas, Arkansas and Florida. They are pretty rare in states that have real winters. I don't know if that correlation is meaningful in any way.
In a lot of countries I've been to, it seemed like anyone with any amount of money put a wall around their property. That's very rare in most of the US and Western Europe. We do often have fences on our back yards, but that's to keep pets in, not people out.
LoudCrickets72@reddit
I've lived all over the US and it's not that common, but you can find it for sure. My neighborhood isn't gated. I'm middle class and live in the suburbs. But if you go downtown, the rich neighborhoods are gated (and for good reason). I've also seen gated neighborhoods in the South, well outside of urban centers, that are gated, and with a security guard there. These aren't even unsafe areas!
So overall, it's not really a thing here. You can happily live in an ungated community and not be afraid of being robbed for the most part.
NoCaterpillar2051@reddit
I know of at least five within 30 minutes driving distance. I imagine there's dozens in Fort Worth.
JimBones31@reddit
That's not really a thing here. I mean, sure, it happens but it's not a common occurrence.
daishukanami@reddit (OP)
yeah It's much safer!
still, if i lived in the usa after spending all this time in brazil i think i wouldn't be able to sleep if my house didn't have walls around it and a whole security system 😂 just bc my brain now functions that way
JimBones31@reddit
The walls would look weird but many of us do have security systems.
Boring_Detective142@reddit
Several homes in my neighborhood have a "security system" of signage informing potential thieves that the home owner is armed.
JimBones31@reddit
Happens in Maine too.
PabloThePabo@reddit
i’ve never seen one in my area of Appalachia
Kali-of-Amino@reddit
Didn't you ask the exact same question last month?
daishukanami@reddit (OP)
nah it must be somebody else, i've never posted here before
RainyAlaska1@reddit
There are gated communities but they are not very common. I live in a 55+ years old community in Washington state that is gated from 10 pm until 6 am. It is the only gated community in town.
username-generica@reddit
There are lots of gated apartment complexes where we live but gated single family home neighborhoods are much rarer although they do exist. A few people have gated in front of their driveways which I never understood because they usually don’t enclose any other entrance.
shelwood46@reddit
It's the opposite you will mostly find them in high income very low violent crime areas. There are also "gated" communities that just mean there's a security gate at the main entrances with card entry and/or a security booth, but I'm not sure those do much for actual security.
discourse_friendly@reddit
I'm in reno,Nv and maybe 5% of the town lives in a gate community, if that.
I live in a house for just my family, with a fenced back yard and fully open front yard.
apartments are probably the most common living situation.
then buildings that look are/look like apartments but each unit is owned.
then single family houses.
my town is 700K people. smaller towns are like 80% single family unit houses or more.
XainRoss@reddit
They're not common, but they're not unheard of either. They're most for the "wealthy" upper middle class. The communities that have them generally don't need them, the crime rates there are already low. They're more to keep the poors out and show status.
professorfunkenpunk@reddit
Mostly a rich coastal suburban thing. There isn't a single one in my metro of maybe 120k people, and honestly, I'm not sure if there is one in my entire state
coyssiempre@reddit
Not common for middle class and lower.