How much better is a 9800x3d compared to 13600k?
Posted by hansieboy10@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 31 comments
I broke my motherboard and was planning to upgrade to a 9800x3d build. Now I've come across some youtube videos and saw that the difference in gaming isn't even that big.
I play both multiplayer and singleplayer games on 4k on a 4090. Before you are going to say it, yes I know, 4k generally has less cpu demands, but for example in games like stalker it seems the CPU would make a difference. I hate the instances there where I'm cpu bound, it feels so bad.
What are your thoughts?
lostnknox@reddit
If I had to buy a new motherboard then I’d definitely go with the 9800x3D.
NewAd7241@reddit
et si je devais changer de cpu je prendrais une ASUS x870 non ?
LuxasV@reddit
Did you end up upgrading? I’m considering the same upgrade path right now
hansieboy10@reddit (OP)
I've replaced my motherboard cheaply. I'm content with my CPU but I also wouldn't have mind the upgrade, also to be future proof and get high frames in CS2. Most other games I play currently though dont need it. Only CS2.
Only1CanSurvive@reddit
It won't be as noticeable at 4K. Prob get some benefit but it won't be massive. Would need to look at fps counters to notice anything.
Elitefuture@reddit
Not true, it 100% just depends on the games you play...
Only1CanSurvive@reddit
So gaming at 4K with a 4090 already? I would agree if it was a lower end GPU but he is gaming at 4K with a 4090. I have a 4090 as well and upgraded to a 9800x3d and I didn't notice much difference. Like the FPS counter will be a bit higher but not much. I already play most games at max settings and if I don't have a FPS counter, I dont notice a difference when playing.
Elitefuture@reddit
It depends on the game... rust, tarkov, mc, valorant, etc. Get a huge increase from a cpu upgrade and almost no increase from a gpu upgrade.
You just don't play cpu heavy games
FrxctalBloom@reddit
I disagree, "Only1CanSurvive" is correct. At 4K the impact of X3D is super low, even on CPU intensive games. You can maybe top a 10% uplift compared to intel equivalent but nothing justifying a complete swap of motherboard + cpu + ram. at 1440p and especially 1080p yeah it can somewhat be justified but at 4K absolutely not.
Elitefuture@reddit
In cpu heavy games, the resolution barely matters since that's handled by the gpu.
If your gpu is at 30% at 1080p and 45% at 4k, you're still being held back by the cpu and your fps will be similar between the two.
The EXTREME example is escape from tarkov 4k 7800x3d vs 9800x3d... the 7800x3d averaged 97 fps and 67.7 fps 1% lows. The 9800x3d averaged 126.1 fps and had 95.6 fps 1% lows. The 9800x3d in tarkov 4k is just in a different league from the 7800x3d.
It's like doing a cpu stress test, your gpu and the resolution for those super cpu heavy games doesn't matter.
Mc is another example, the 9800x3d gets like 40% more fps over the 7800x3d in modded mc.
These are ofc cherry picked, but the point is that in super cpu heavy games, regardless of the resolution, the difference is still large. Ofc not everyone plays esports titles or modded games, but they exist.
FrxctalBloom@reddit
I understand what you mean.
To complete your point msfs 4k is 15% faster average and for valo 4k, it is 7-8% faster.
Yes TECHNICALLY, you have a handful of games where cpu upgrade still has a noticable impact on FPS, yo uare correct. As you mentioned those are cherry picked because they either don't need a gpu to run at all (which is not the case of every heavy cpu bound games) or they are GPU unoptimized slops.
In practice now, overall in 4K, out of 100 games, 5 of them will get a 5-15% increase in perf from this upgrade and the rest won't change shit.
Should this guy upgrade CPU having a 4090 and money? Sure why not, it might help with the lows. But it's not very well spent money overall.
Should a RTX 3080 TI + i5 13600K playing in 4K get a 9800X3D instead of a new GPU? Absolutely not.
Should a RTX 3080 TI + i5 13600K playing in 1080p get a 9800X3D instead of a new GPU ? That could make sense in some situations.
Personal_Ideal_67@reddit
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/20.html
hansieboy10@reddit (OP)
Ok!
tybuzz@reddit
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/19.html
That's just averages, it will vary depending on the specific game and GPU.
theDragoon007@reddit
huh didn't know the 5800x3D was in average only slightly faster than the i5 13th gen
theDragoon007@reddit
Here's my take and someone please correct me if I'm wrong. It might be more important to have a better CPU now since Nvidia is encouraging DLSS4. With its new model — that although yes, performance mode looks as good as quality mode on the old models— it means that lazy developers (or game directors I don't want to fully blame this on the devs as I'm not knowledgeable enough) might use this as an excuse to ship even more unoptimized games. This might force you to start using performance or ultra performance mode to have a playable experience on 4k (for newer games), and when using these lower upscaled resolutions the CPU will matter a lot more. Otherwise, no matter if u keep dropping the resolution, you will see no FPS gains.
hansieboy10@reddit (OP)
That’s a very good point. Thanks. I’ll keep that in mind
cheeseypoofs85@reddit
if you factor in power consumption and being able to use a cheaper cooler, is WAY better
hansieboy10@reddit (OP)
The x3d?
cheeseypoofs85@reddit
Yes
Elitefuture@reddit
Depends on what games you specifically play.
I got it since a lot of my game time is on valorant, cs2, mc, and an mmo called maplestory. All 4 are cpu heavy. I have a 480hz monitor to pair it with. Your gpu almost doesn't matter for the games I listed. Other examples that I do not play are rust, tarkov, simulation games, parts of cyberpunk, kinda bg3, and some more.
Many games are gpu limited, usually the very pretty games are gpu limited.
So it just depends on the games you prioritize.
hansieboy10@reddit (OP)
Fair
_gentle_turtle_@reddit
Well, you got money for a 4090, whats another hundreds bucks, try it and see it as a fun new experience
hansieboy10@reddit (OP)
It’s actually a lot more money to buy s new mobo, cpu and new ram sticks. I can sell my 13600k luckily and ‘old’ ram sticks but still
Pristine-Scallion-34@reddit
And to think, the benefits x3d has is not even from the fastest cpu cache.
IceSeeYou@reddit
Depends on games, some major difference some minimal. WoW, Tarkov, grand strategy, VR, all love the X3D. Also do you use DLSS or native? If DLSS, adjust comparisons to lower res
hansieboy10@reddit (OP)
Goor point!
Effective_Top_3515@reddit
Several tiers higher than the 13600k. Especially if it’s the cpu that all the reputable reviewers use for their test benches.
xX_Kawaii_Comrade_Xx@reddit
You need to look at benchmarks and see whether the uplift in cpu bound scenarios is acceptable
Mightypeon-1Tapss@reddit
I play Tarkov and it makes a HUGE difference. Depends on the games you play
hansieboy10@reddit (OP)
Ok!