Integrated ATPL or Second try at Generation EasyJet?
Posted by RaginPoet@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 11 comments
Hi all, any advice welcome.
I had my first attempt at the Generation EasyJet programme yesterday, but I didn't progress as only the FAST (simulator) test let me down. The rest I passed. I can however retake this once more in 6 months.
I did however pass to get an interview for the Integrated ATPL route. I have a call with someone from CAE to discuss things next week but I have some questions if anyone can answer:
-Fundamentally, what is the difference between the Integrated and Generation Easyjet route?
-Is it possible to secure funding for the Integrated (or the Generation Easyjet route for that matter), in the form of a loan or payments being taken off your salary when you start?
CessnaBandit@reddit
Getting into an integrated course is easy unless you’re lacking basic math and English skills. They’ll happily take you’re money.
Go modular and do it full time. A lot of the integrated schools are taking on so many students that its taking longer to finish than if you just do full time modular. Ignore anyone saying airlines prefer integrated. Thats flight school marketing and even the likes of EasyJet and BA hire modular guys no problem.
You won’t get funding for integrated.
RaginPoet@reddit (OP)
Thank you, this perspective is very refreshing. I will be weighing my options over the coming days following a call with a CAE rep.
Living-Bass6958@reddit
I am a current easyJet cadet at Gatwick CAE coming to the end of ground school.
My advice, don't bother with integrated. Cuts have been made to that course, eg accommodation in Phoenix not included and iPads not included.
Yes easyJet are hiring modular cadets, but any ATPL holder that does get hired is slapped with a £30k type rating bill at the end. On the MPL, accounting for conversion of euros to pound in total the course has cost £85k and that includes a type-rating. This is quite probably less than modular+type rating, assuming that you go to a decent modular school to get your ratings.
Don't get put down about failing on the FAST section, literally 3/4 of my current class didn't get in first time, and a lot of them down to that section of the test.
My final words would be, give the application one more go and use the time now to save up for living expenses for the time in Phoenix, assuming you can live at home during ground school and in sim phase assuming you live close to the centre.
Front_Shine9800@reddit
Just wondering, for stage 2 of the application, would you recommend using the Symbiotics practice tests? I’ve heard they closely mimic the real thing, especially for the aptitude tests in maths, physics, logical reasoning, and multitasking
RaginPoet@reddit (OP)
Yes, absolutely. Only issue is that the tests don't change in terms of content.
xiLukeeV@reddit
Keep us updated on how the call goes.
What’s your age?
How much have you got saved?
I wouldn’t get disheartened by the initial decline.
Here’s my perspective:
Take the next 6 months with weekly practice and honing skills and then retake. You’ll pass and you’ll be able to use that failure to demonstrate resilience and motivation in the interview. In the meantime (assuming you’re employed), take the time to save monthly to offset the cost of the course.
When I was looking about 12 months a go, I got a proposal from Lendwise for a £50K loan with a deferred repayment (once employment begins). Thats my preferred choice while I save for the remainder.
RaginPoet@reddit (OP)
Hi mate.
Had the call earlier and he recommended stick to the Generation Easyjet route after the eligibility period as it looks better in terms of getting funding from Lendwise (guaranteed job at the end and all) and shows resilience as you said.
If you have any tips on how to get started with the lendwise funding as you did, that would be great.
Also any tips on the FAST test. I think what tripped me up was when to select for going over the waypoint and how far ahead I have to select when I see aircraft, (possibly selecting too far in advance?)
RaginPoet@reddit (OP)
Thanks my friend. I certainly will regarding the call.
I have just turned 27 so similar age to yourself. I also applied to BA Speedbird for the first time and got as far as the Psychometric tests. It's been a good challenge for me as my background is a history degree and I have not immersed like this in Maths and Physics again since GCSEs 11 years ago, whilst my last flying lessons themselves were 2013.
I haven't really got savings set a side as such, but I have £20k built up.
That sounds excellent regarding Lendwise. I'll look into that but any more information on how to approach that would be very helpful.
Thanks again pal.
TooLowPullUp@reddit
-Fundamentally, what is the difference between the Integrated and Generation Easyjet route?
Similar training pace and academic demands. Much more simulator time with EZY because it gives you an MPL, not an ATPL. You also finish with a 'worse' license that, until you upgrade, is pretty much useless outside of the company.
-Is it possible to secure funding for the Integrated (or the Generation Easyjet route for that matter), in the form of a loan or payments being taken off your salary when you start?
No. You will simply not be able to get an unsecured, high-risk, six-figure loan. Integrated training is for people who have £90,000+ immediately to hand (or have rich parents).
RaginPoet@reddit (OP)
Thank you, really clear and useful to know.
rFlyingTower@reddit
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Hi all, any advice welcome.
I had my first attempt at the Generation EasyJet programme yesterday, but I didn't progress as only the FAST (simulator) test let me down. The rest I passed. I can however retake this once more in 6 months.
I did however pass to get an interview for the Integrated ATPL route. I have a call with someone from CAE to discuss things next week but I have some questions if anyone can answer:
-Fundamentally, what is the difference between the Integrated and Generation Easyjet route?
-Is it possible to secure funding for the Integrated (or the Generation Easyjet route for that matter), in the form of a loan or payments being taken off your salary when you start?
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