Project Based Section 8 voucher payments (NYCHA/NYC HPD) 13 days late

Posted by nobodiesfaultbutmine@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 32 comments

I work in multi family asset/property management in NYC, two of our projects have substantial project-based section 8 allocations. Federal voucher rental assistance payments in those two deals in NYC (one administered by NYCHA (NYC Housing Authority), one by NYC HPD (Housing Preservation and Development), both funded by HUD) are now 13 days late. Never once in memory has payment ever been more than 2 or 3 days late. Heard about news reports of this happening all over but have not seen the reporting myself.

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IamBob0226@reddit

So what did you do? Did you call somebody? Update please.

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nobodiesfaultbutmine@reddit (OP)

There's no one to call, as far as any of us knows. Just sitting around with our thumbs up our asses waiting for the fed cash to hit. Will provide an update when there is one, one way or another

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JRHLowdown3@reddit

Do you have the option of renting to people with actual money and not just those wanting free $hit from the gubmint? You probably lose a lot of your rights for the property you own and worked for (the socialists here miss that part about it being work) taking the gubmint money. I would assume you can't evict as easy and if you've been in that game a while, you know it's never that people CAN'T pay, it's that people WON'T pay. Here's a clue- when they are driving nicer cars than you, eating better than you and telling you they don't have rent, they are FOS. Watched some older relatives get sucked into that BS from low lifes, had to explain- "they have better cars than you do, their crotch fruit wears nice clothes and has expensive toys while your kids didn't, they are out BBQ steak nightly while your eating soup, don't believe their BS stories.

I feel for you, rentals are a tough business, I can't imagine how much worse with those paying with the free gubmint cheese.

Personal responsibility- it's gone in Amerika.

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Big_Boof_Supreme@reddit

Wow. It sounds really comfortable and nice being on welfare. Seems like you'd have to be a really ignorant to work hard for soup when steak is free to the lazy.

Or maybe you're just spouting old Reagan lines that haven't been true since the Clinton welfare reform in 1996.

I think you'd feel like a real idiot if you knew what people had to go through to not look and live as poor as they are. It's very sad that you think people don't look "poor enough" to you.

Are you mad they actually make the only sensible use out of our tax dollars--on their lives? What, more should go to Israel bombs and Space Army?

You don't know much about people who do alright not living your way.

It may be gone now, but section 8 was the poor man's lotto, and I got 15 good years of it to raise two kids into college without working.

I'd love sending all of you haters so r capes to be Supermad about it.

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StoneColdDadass@reddit

I'm in the same industry, but in the construction division.

We're seeing massive delays in HUD reviews and approvals of change orders and payment applications. Our HUD inspector said they lost nearly half the work force through buyouts or layoffs.

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jessmartyr@reddit

Are they going to allow the people to stay in their housing while this plays out? For how long?

I know you probably don’t know but I’m thinking out loud.

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Holiday-Fly-6319@reddit

Hopefully they do because what happens when all those people hit the streets isn't good.

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AlissaCello@reddit

They hit the streets, they become instant criminals by default of existence, they will discover most places only let them carry one bag of belongings, and be stripped pf all heirlooms by repeated theft by the police... hunted by vigilantes who think killing homeless people is the solution (with thrown or shot projectiles of glass, eggs, piss, pellets, bullets). Die of the elements because if you're homeless they will tell you you're not allowed to have blankets or anything they deem as "camping supplies". All of this and or jail, regardless of having no criminal record.

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Brocephus_@reddit

I'm involved in some veteran subreddits and saw tons of posts about payments for both disability and retirement came late as well for them (however they did finally receive them).

I feel like this is just a litmus test to see how far DOGE/Trump can cut off the population from benefits.

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redcoatwright@reddit

I don't disagree but I also don't really get the benefit of doing this?

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jessmartyr@reddit

Scared, confused, hopeless people are easier to control and manipulate. Like any abusive spouse though they need to parse out what the line in the sand will be for their victims so they can figure out how to dance around it without ever blatantly crossing it to continue their abuse at maximum efficiency and for the maximum length of time

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Profburkeanthro@reddit

Yikes. Dark but true

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Mountain_Fig_9253@reddit

The sooner people riot the quicker he can invoke the insurrection act.

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nobodiesfaultbutmine@reddit (OP)

This is my firm suspicion as well

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Boring-Philosophy-46@reddit

I have read they plan to get the social security system completely overhauled. A relative of mine was involved in such a project as a coder, programmer etc. In my country that took about 12 years, involved just about every programmer in the country at some point it seems, and really after 20 years from the start of the project they are still tinkering with the system, fixing non-priority issues, adding new government systems to hook to it. DOGE wants to do it in 6 months. Which means when they implement a change they are probably doing it immediately instead of extensive testing which takes months each round (on a copy of the database, not the real set). So then you get an inability to pay whenever you made a mistake. But hey you don't have to have hundreds of people running tests for 12 years, you can just find out about mistakes right away!

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Traditional_Roll_129@reddit

It's all about control, like any narcissist, he wants people suffering and begging

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TofuLordSeitan666@reddit

Oof, that’s not a good sign for people.

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jessmartyr@reddit

They are definitely going to just keep pushing further to see just how much we can take..

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mongooser@reddit

The landlords will have to sue the landlords — they can’t legally evict section 8 participants if the HA doesn’t pay.

Now, can they do it non-legally? In this economy? Probably.

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jessmartyr@reddit

Not sure how anyone can require a private citizen to provide what is effectively free housing in privately owned property. Those landlords will still have to pay mortgages, property taxes, insurance and repairs to make sure the property is habitable.

I can see the state/federal owned housing stock needing to do that but section 8 is not the same thing.

Maybe they do let them ride out the remainder of their lease term. Maybe they are even required to. But if they can’t rely on being paid and the contract they enacted actually followed then I wouldn’t expect them to ever participate in the program again - which would reduce the amount of housing options for low income families. We already have a severe lack of options available, section 8 waitlists are already years long and in some jurisdictions not open to applications at all because of that.

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mongooser@reddit

I clarified my comment — I meant that the landlords have to sue the housing authority for breach. The tenant is not party to that lease.

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nobodiesfaultbutmine@reddit (OP)

In NYC, probably yes, it will take a while before this would start resulting in evictions. It will bankrupt landlords tho (boo hoo landlords but it's a practical problem for tenants), In other jurisdictions it could lead to immediate eviction, as I understand it.

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TinyEmergencyCake@reddit

Why would the tenant be evicted when they're not at fault?

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nobodiesfaultbutmine@reddit (OP)

In section 8 buildings/apartments, the tenant pays 30% of their income (max) towards the full rent amount, HUD pays the rest. If HUD isn't paying, the rent isn't getting paid, which generally results in eviction. You're right of course that it would be entirely unfair for tenants to be evicted because the feds stop paying what they owe. But....

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thefedfox64@reddit

We just had similar convos at work. We are doing 90 days for MTGs before we do start anything if it's due to missed govt funds. Not good for the books but it is what it is

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PreviousConcept7004@reddit

I just was approved for HUD/VASH (Sec 8 for veterans) and was told don’t be surprised if the first two rental payments are late and asked if I would be able to handle paying the full rent on my own and that I’d eventually get reimbursed. I was like, if I could I wouldn’t have applied for HUD/VASH?

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