My only judgement at this point is the fact that a knife was brought onto a school campus and used in an altercation. Unless the defense can somehow prove that the suspect didn’t bring the knife and it wasn’t his knife, that alone stacks highly against him IMO. As to the rest of it, I can’t say at this point because I wasn’t there.
Near as I can tell there are only two legal aspects to the knife being on campus. Under state law any knife with a blade over 5.5" is prohibited:
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/docs/pe/htm/pe.46.htm
Frisco ISD has a No Knives policy that is pretty inclusive, including specifically mentioning "pocket knives", it's on page 7 of their published Student Code of Conduct:
https://www.friscoisd.org/docs/default-source/resources-information/frisco_isd_scoc.pdf?sfvrsn=bccd42d7_1
When I went to school pocket knives were perfectly acceptable, but that was a while ago. They're not acceptable in a lot of school districts now for just this reason: That they can be used to inflict grievous harm on others.
With no state law being broken, and given the circumstances it would seem suspension/expulsion is moot, the legality of the presence of the knife will not likely have any meaningful effect on the case. The prosecution may try to use it as an element of premeditation, but given how much more complex and difficult it is to prove premeditated murder, with a higher risk of acquittal, it's likely that path won't be pursued.
Does having a weapon in a prohibited area nullify the self defense argument in Texas?
Like if someone brings a gun to a bar and uses it in self-defense, does having the gun there nullify the claim of self defense?
I've been wondering this myself. Carrying anything bigger than a pocket knife to school is a felony. I don't think you can claim self defense while you're actively commiting a felony. And if that was a butcher knife or a hunting knife the kid was committing a felony just by carrying it around.
lethal force is only appropriate to stop lethal force, the claw is clear cut on this, fucking loser couldn't fight with his fists like a man, little baby had to pull out a knife, literally cannot be defended in any situation unless the other kid was armed
I don’t think it’s too early to ask who raised this boy to think that an appropriate reaction to a low stakes argument was stabbing someone in the heart.
That is a great point. This is just such an utter and complete tragedy. Losing the lives of two young men, because of rash idiotic decisions at such a young age. There is no excusing the thoughtless murder of another man, but it is a tragedy for both just the same. Two families and countless friends have had their lives upended by this.
I know why we say things like this are 'thoughtless' or 'senseless' but I think even saying that gives a disservice to the individuals we are trying to judge from afar. We don't know everything so even that label is prejudicial.
Not trying to say you are, just sharing thoughts.
Thoughtless as in reportedly reactionary, and in the moment. I wouldn't label it as prejudicial, as it is building upon the facts that have been given. I can see your point, and thank you for the post!
I'm am all for abortions in fact I think the state should pay for them as its far cheaper in the long run the more abortions we can have in poor neighborhoods the less we have to pay out in welfare I'd also support a free sterilization program that was publicly funded
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I would rather there be abortion access locations in low income and high income areas. (Albeit the high income will come to the low income so their friends won't see them and then turn around and advocate birth rights) But I digress.
If a mother dies while giving birth, is she suicidal or is the child a murderer? Could go either way. Either way the child is still a murder suspect because the mother died cause of the child.
We've NEARLY got them to the point where they realize that certain activities to keep people alive are a net burden on society (in addition to the personal cruelty, of course)
They don't care. As long as it's someone else's burdens and not theirs they'll continue to advocate for birth rights but I don't see them lining up at the adoption places ready to take in kids.
So you're saying we have a death penalty and it doesn't need to be brought back from anywhere?
Whew, for a minute I thought it was lost or had run away.
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>because no reasonable person would believe he was afraid for his life
That's exactly what I think when the cops shoot an unarmed person and use "I was afraid for my life."
Maybe the average person is more afraid of someone holding a cell phone than someone putting hands on them?
Your name is fitting…angrily running quickly from comment to comment to spout off about how everyone is wrong.
You appear to have the answer of exactly what went down, and how the finders of fact will classify it.
I can’t help but feel that your all-knowing clairvoyance could be put to better use though. Perhaps you could cure cancer for us? World hunger? Or at least let us in on the power all numbers….
Grab a glass of water, sit down outside and cool down. Your getting all worked up over wanting to hang someone because your feelings are all bunches up. Now the lawn, fold some clothes or something to ease your mind. Your starting to spew hate again.
You talking about stand your ground? Because that's pretty solid except for some gray areas here and there. But I gotta tell you, it opens up a whole can of worms you can't easily put back in.
And you’ve already proven you have zero idea how it applies or how self defense laws apply here. So again, you should quit talking until you understand it.
🤦🏻♂️ there is good reason to believe there's a self defense case here. Your feelings and/or narrow mindedness have no play here. You can yell "hang him" all you want, it won't matter.
Sometimes it's ok to instigate and then murder. If the victim had been a left-wing protester, the stabber could look forward to a pardon from the governor.
The felony he is guilty of no doubt. Permitted the knife was long enough to fall under the banned category. Instigating a fight by being in a tent? That's a stretch. Stabbing after getting assaulted, that's where the doubt lies and we'll see in court who has the best argument.
This is Texas. If an adult puts hands on another adult, they’re getting shot. Especially if the person is surrounded by the other’s friends. Its a hard lesson but noone owes anyone a fair foght in the real world. If someone initiates violence they should be prepared to die. This is a stand your ground state. No duty to retreat.
He has no claim for self defense lol. He was instigating the fight saying things like “touch me and see what happens” or “hit me” those aren’t words of a man in fear for his life. Then the use of lethal force in self defense is only justified if you felt your own life was in danger, and him instigating the fight isn’t a good example of him feeling like he’s in lethal danger. This is all on top of the fact that the kid was in the wrong tent, of the school that a kid he has prior issues with goes to, and was recorded texting one of his friends saying he wants to stab someone. Nothing about this case suggests that he felt threatened or like his life was in danger, considering he consistently tried to confront and escalate the situation.
“Touch me and see what happens” is not a conversation starter. He was obviously threatened. And he was surrounded and outnumbered when the dead kid initiated physical violence against Karmelo. Like I said, if this happened amongst adults, in TX, dude would’ve been shot. He’d be alive if he’d kept his hands to himself. That’s just facts.
Yeah you conveniently ignored the part where he’s in a reserved area he’s not supposed to be in, with a knife which is illegal on school grounds, while having texted one of his friends earlier that he wants to stab someone.
He was under a tent trying to stay out of the rain. Not another kid’s job to physically remove him. That is also an illegal act. Literally assault. I don’t really care about the knife at school. I went to a school that was pretty country and damn near every white kid had a knife on their belt in a leather sheath. Don’t see it as a big deal. I didn’t know about the text. Was that earlier in the day or was it in reference to the conflict before it turned physical?
At the end of the day, regardless of anything else, if dude would have kept his hands to himself and gotten a resource officer, he’d be alive.
That’s fine but irrelevant. There’s no duty to retreat in Texas. The person doesn’t even have to touch you for it to be legal assault. Just make a believable threat like “ I’m gonna beat your ass” then take a step towards you. You’re also ignoring the fact that he was outnumbered and surrounded which changes the threat perception.
Right, I know statutorily the law is pretty clear that it’s just reasonable fear of a threat to your life (or something along those lines). I wonder what the case law is like; I wouldn’t wanna roll the dice myself.
I mean, shit can get outta hand real quick, but if it was just a shove I’d walk away. Ideally it wouldn’t even get to that point in the first place. No place for ego if you have a weapon on you for self defense IMO.
I am sure we will have a level-headed conversation about this and no one will let their preconceived biases and deep-seated racism interfere with their judgement. Everyone will also be well aware that they have very little hard facts on the matter - certainly not enough to make judgement or desire another death of a child, in response.
Ethan Crumbley and Aidan Fucci both got life without parole despite being minors at the time of their crime. If they can receive that sentence then so can Karmelo Anthony
I’m not even up on all the details of this case but this sounds like a false equivalency. We don’t need to be locking up minors for life without parole.
That's not going to satisfy the blood lust that a lot of commenters )who are almost certainly fine upstanding members of the DFW community and definitely not brigaders from far-right groups coming here to stir up racial tensions) seem to have.
So clearly you're on the side of... Oh, I don't know, allowing high school kids to kill each other if some fight happens (millions of fights have happened in high schools without kids dying). What do *you* think should happen to this kid?
A Neonazi group called the American Blackshirts movement has placed a banner near the scene of the incident (the picture can be seen on the frisco subreddit).
I wonder if they’re also involved in the coordinated doxing and harassment of the Anthony family.
Agreed, there’s definitely some coordinated astroturfing happening with this case. The racial slurs and casual prejudice against Black people being all over social media almost immediately after the case hit the news was eye opening.
There was a similar situation that happened in Killeen Tx where a 14 year old fatally stabbed another classmate just last month. There wasn’t much media controversy over it.
Which ironically is making it more likely that the case gets moved from Collin County, which is probably the jurisdiction KA is most likely to see the more severe charges.
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