Pretty sure this is it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/1k7a26f/first_look_at_the_slate_25k_truck/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
No you see he can do it…
Just be ready to pay for Amazon Prime Climate Control (TM), Amazon Prime Heated and Cooled Seats (TM), Amazon Prime Maps (TM), Amazon Prime Range Extender (TM) (range is software reduced without the subscription), Amazon Prime Performance Pack…
the Tamaraw is built for developing foreign markets, it’s like a big kei truck, safety/emissions most likely don’t meet our standards
Tesla is a direct comparison for an American EV and it seems to have worked out pretty well for them
We have vehicle safety standards for a reason, which I'm absolutely fine with. Any kei truck driving around on US roads legally will be over 25 years old.
>Tamaraw
The fact that they're calling the Hilux Champ that name in the Philippines is pretty solid proof it's meant to be the modern [Kijang](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Toyota_Kijang_%28KF10%29%2C_Denpasar%2C_2018_%2801%29.jpg/1024px-Toyota_Kijang_%28KF10%29%2C_Denpasar%2C_2018_%2801%29.jpg).
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Sorry, you are right, we shouldn't meme so hard.
80K in 8 years sold by EKARTOO
Prime delivery ✅
79K in 8.2 years sold by WAHIGGLES
Prime delivery ❌
38k in 8.3 years sold by BURBIL
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And still flops because it will still be utterly incapable of truck things because physics.
Seriously until we get 100% recharge in under 10 minutes the BEV pickup is a dead end product. Hauling and towing are so energy intensive that having to spend an hour every two charging is completely out of the question.
Hauling isn't particularly energy intensive, assuming you don't have something sticking out of the bed messing up aero. There's a good video on Out of Spec where they put a water tank in the back of a Lightning and range test it full and empty (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oKRfOpZi-Y).
The only way you will spend crazy amounts of time at the chargers is if you are distance towing a large trailer, which most people aren't doing with small and even 1/2 ton trucks, that's what diesel HD trucks are for. Even then, 1/2 range means I could tow 100+ miles with no stops or 200+ with a single ~40 minute charge - more than enough to fetch a project car or get a camper to a campsite without much hassle. I'm quite sure an EV truck can do most of the truck stuff people actually do with 'em, they just cost too much and people aren't willing to make the switch.
> Seriously until we get 100% recharge in under 10 minutes, which is probably not actually possible, the BEV pickup is a dead end product
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/mar/18/ev-maker-byd-batteries-charge-shares-elon-musk-tesla
> Tesla’s “supercharger” network – a key part of its appeal to early electric car buyers – can provide enough charge in 15 minutes to drive 172 miles at a power level of up to 250kW, although its latest chargers will reach 500kW.
> ...
> BYD has soared in value after it said its latest batteries charge fast enough to add 400km (249 miles) of range in only five minutes.
> ...
> Eunice Lee, the Asian autos analyst at Bernstein, an investment research company, cited Chinese rivals XPeng and Zeekr, whose respective 5C and 5.5C charging systems can add about 280 miles and 342 miles of range in 10 minutes.
The BEV tech you're talking about already exists: it's just that American and in particular European manufacturing and infrastructure is massively behind the curve.
1. Towing halves range. 15 minutes for 85 miles means 15 minutes every hour charging. That's still not a viable situation.
2. I ignore BYD's and the other Chinese claims because Chinese companies lie.
> I ignore BYD's and the other Chinese claims because Chinese companies lie.
Europe, where I live, is full of BYD cars which all work as well as promised. The Zeekr cars equally match expectations.
Frankly having seen Chinese EVs, it's become clear how mediocre the European EVs must have looked to that market, which goes a long way to explain their present struggles there.
We'll see how it pans out in reality, but I suspect that BYD can demo what they've claimed.
Small pickups are not for hauling and towing, they're for having a daily driver that you can also throw a dirt bike in the bed on the weekends, bring home a load of mulch once a year, or use for your side gig doing tile or whatever.
Assuming "small" means "Ranger/Frontier/Tacoma competitor" then yes it is for hauling and towing. Not huge stuff but even just a loaded down 12' trailer or a car hauler is enough to cut mileage in half. Been there done that. And if you've got a side gig doing tile you will be towing because tile's heavy and small trucks have small bed payloads.
Sounds like this truck wouldn't be for you. Not every manufacturers' entire production goal is to sell only one unit, specifically to you and made for your particular needs.
And no, it wouldn't be a "Ranger/Frontier/Tacoma competitor" you just made that assumption up.
yep.. i want a small truck for exactly this type of thing.
i fish sometimes and having a truck bed would solve so many problems i have, i would also be able to buy a 12ft kayak and not look like a complete bafoon trying to transport it on my rav4 🤣
Nah; takes the company 8 years, and for the 2 years until the Amazon Basics clone comes out, they make decent profits. The Amazon Basics thing is sold at impossibly-low (at-loss, typically) prices until the original company goes bankrupt, then the Basics clone's price slowly rises until Amazon makes a profit.
Well, there will be two models.
Model 1: 50k and is a normal ad-free EV truck
Model 2: $19k, but every screen in the car plays ads. You just be an Amazon Prime member and pay $9.99/mo to "utilize your gas tank like an Amazon Champion", which is just allowing you to unlock the gas cap
Tris isn’t tesla now.
Bezos is a piece of shit, but his rocket put him in space before space X sent a dude up
He’s much more intelligent than musk, not just some slick salesman
Spacex has been sending people to the iss longer than blue origin has been sending people to just barely space. Fuck elon but let's at least get the facts right.
> Tris isn’t tesla now.
This is true. Has Tris produced a car before? I loathe Elon and think Tesla makes sub-par vehicles, but has Tris even produced a complete vehicle before?
>Bezos is a piece of shit, but his rocket put him in space before space X sent a dude up
Bezos went to space in 2021. The first manned trip to space by SpaceX was in 2011. Elon's shitty, but come on.
>He’s much more intelligent than musk, not just some slick salesman
Maybe.
You know that's not true!
Just cut out the coupon for 10K off!
And if you subscribe to Amazon Prime You can have it delivered right to your doorstep in no time!
Oh and also these EVs come with a five-star rating! Just ask Bob from Connecticut!
Yes sir the Amazon basics EV is the perfect choice for you!
Its made by Slate Auto. Here's an article with a pic
https://www.theautopian.com/slate-auto-is-reportedly-going-to-make-a-25000-american-ev-pickup-truck-with-jeff-bezoss-money/
Not sure if that's real or a photoshop though.
This website has existed for several years and this company isn't anywhere close to actually *producing* anything.
Making a good render just takes a couple people with a really good computer. Making an *actual car you can buy* takes a lot more.
Talk to me when this company has announced deliveries.
Their brand is Alpha and their models are all based off of the word Wolf. I learned all I needed to know about this company less than 5 seconds into going to their website.
lol an Amazon pickup
When you put your foot on the brake to stop, you will get a message pop up saying
“Select from the following
To stop in 10ft $15
To stop in 20ft $10
To stop in 30ft $5
To Stop in 60ft $ free
Or simply sign up to prime Ev for unlimited braking for $100 per year,
>Jeff Bezos is reportedly investing in stealth EV startup that aims to build a 2-door pickup truck for $25K
Good idea, because if a group of people decide they don't like him, it is better for everyone if they trash his pickups rather than something else.
There should be a rule, no one touches the rockets.
Lmao, just in time to realize people don’t want useful pickup trucks. They want large, luxurious and spacious SUV’s with a bed slapped on the back. A large percentage of American pickup drivers absolutely don’t need their truck for truck stuff. They’ve become the suburban status symbol over utility.
My dad has been using the same used beat-up pickup truck for 15 years because that's all he wants is a small, useful truck. Not an over-glorified SUV for pavement princesses. Small pickup trucks like he wants just aren't readily available on the market, it seems. That truck of his is resembling Theseus' ship with the hodgepodge of parts he's replaced over the years lol.
I'm also going to run my Fiesta into the ground too, because small hatchbacks are becoming less available as well. Are we really in the minority for market demands? My biased perspective is that most people I know want a car that the market no longer provides.
Welcome to late stage capitalism! Where the products companies manufacturer are dictated more by year over year profit than giving the market what it wants.
OEMs could absolutely make smaller cars and trucks in smaller production numbers but why make 50,000 small hatchbacks that list at $15K when you can discontinue it and upsell those customers into a ~~midsize~~ "compact" through attrition? You're now making 150,000 units that list at $25K. That way you have one product line, giving you more profit per unit via efficiency, and you can sell the bigger car at a bigger price!
There is no innovation in the consumer market anymore. Remember when platforms used to have more than one engine that you could order as an option without buying a $10K premium tech package? Remember actual base models from ~10 years ago that were stripped of all superfluous tech but still came with power windows and locks?
Well yeah. Why would they invest money into production to make a smaller amount of money when they could make a much larger amount of money for the same investment? Car companies aren't charities and they're trying to make profits. You could definitely go and start your own car production charity if you wanted though. But I have a feeling there's a reason people don't do that.
Lick some more corporate boots and come back to me in 10 years when we're all driving identical grey boxes with different brand names on the grill. Why offer more than one paint colour when you can save money painting them all the same? (Corporations aren't charities after all!)
If the market finally forces me to abandon the small hatchback for a crossover, I'd probably get a Mazda too. My friend has one, and it's pretty nice and a good size. I think it's a Mazda 3 as well, a newer model, but I can't remember exactly.
If we're going to have a car-dependent society, I would at least like to choose a model that I enjoy driving! Ahh, you're so right about all this late-stage capitalism.
If it actually goes into production as described (as opposed to bloating out into a crew cab/short box commuter-car-with-bed), I imagine the target market isn't so much "people" as it is fleets. I could see this being bought by utility companies, pest management/plumbing/HVAC companies, mobile mechanics, large campus facilities/grounds departments, Home Depot/Lowes truck rentals, etc.
Of course sales of small trucks are abysmal when nobody actually makes a small truck anymore. Even the last "small" trucks that were/are being made (chevy Colorado, Ford maverick) are ugly and basically look like big trucks that have been smooshed down.
It's more that they don't need them every day for truck stuff but when they cost the same as something else and are just as nice inside and to drive why not just get the capacity for when you do need it?
I realize I'm not the majority, but I would absolutely buy a stripped-out small EV pickup for $25K. I enjoy daily driving a sedan and would love the utility of a pickup when needed without the hassle of maintaining an ICE truck.
Suburban truck owner here. That is absolutely what I want. My ideal vehicle is, well, a Suburban. The third row is a want, not a need for me though, and my truck was $20k cheaper.
My "truck stuff" use case is towing, not hauling.
My dad has been using the same used beat-up pickup truck for 15 years because that's all he wants too. Small pickup trucks like he wants just aren't readily available on the market, it seems. That truck of his is resembling Theseus' ship with the hodgepodge of parts he's replaced over the years lol.
I'm also going to run my Fiesta into the ground too, because small hatchbacks are becoming less available as well. Are we really in the minority for market demands? My biased perspective is that most people I know want a car that the market no longer provides.
We have an EV cross over. Plenty of space for us for the kids. I'd consider replacing my ICE sedan with an EV small truck that gets good range and efficiency when I need to putt putt the kids to school or to go get milk but have the capability to tow to haul when I need it.
That being said I probably wouldn't buy a similar ICE truck
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I mean at least someone's trying. Expect the most spartan work truck you can think of though.
I'm wondering what size class it could be. If it's about the size of the rangers of old I can see it making the price if not slightly over.
Most fleets prefer crew cabs nowadays. Honestly most have for a long time. This would be good for last-mile or home delivery fleets, or like the AutoZone trucks, but...
Yeah, it was only once I had a truck that I realized how incredibly frustrating it would be if ALL the storage in the vehicle was "outdoors".
Even if I didn't have large dogs and a kid, I would have probably at least got an extended cab, just to use it as a trunk.
Then again, my truck opinions are always the minority, because I'm one of those "weirdos" who actually just uses my truck for towing and hauling, sometimes only a few times a month. I drive a tiny little VW as my daily. Everyone else in my town treats their truck like an identity.
Yep. That would be cool. Unfortunately, most EV trucks have abysmal range when towing (Lightning is literally under 100miles, meaning you're going to be starting to look for your next charger EVERY HOUR).
The only exception is the EV Silverado, which gets something like 200-250 miles when towing, but sadly it is brand new and expensive AF, so there's no way for me to afford one for $85-95k. My truck was $32k and still by far the most expensive vehicle I've owned.
I tow across my state, usually 200-300 miles per trip, but sometimes across the entire US, so I don't really have the option of going EV for my tow vehicle. I get 400 miles towing and 800 miles unladen.
Yeah, I bought my supercrew for practicality of the big dogs and kid...
But if it was just me, and I still needed to tow, I'd probably either have an extended cab long bed, for all that glorious cargo space, or a short cab short bed, because they look like a fucking hotwheels car.
We've gotten so used to huge trucks and big cabs, that seeing a short/short looks hilarious now, but I assume they are fantastic offroad, and I love going camping in the wilderness, and I'd much rather own that than a Jeep (or any stallantis product).
When everyone and their mother started coming out with the nice rear doors on the extended cabs. We've got a 2013 2500HD in the fleet that the back doors open all the way and are cleareanced for the utility body. It's wonderful.
1. No. Wagons cannot tow 5000lbs safely. Since you're talking in kg, I assume you're not from the US. In the US, trailer makers put huge amounts of weight on the tongue (15-20%), while in Europe, 10% is common, so trailer are lighter on your vehicles payload in Europe, but in the US, a 5000lb bumper pull trailer can easily put up to 700lbs hanging on the rear end of your family wagon, which is not safe, and even ignoring potential damage, you will have very unsafe levels of grip on the front tires in the case of an emergency maneuver. WDH hitches are disallowed by most manufacturers for unibody cars, and that's what all modern wagons or cars would be.
2. Yes, I do tow 6000-8000lbs regularly, so I have pretty much no options besides a truck or huge (body on frame) SUV.
SUVs/CUVs also have a higher body height in addition to the lift. But that's still mostly true; somebody who might have bought a Caprice wagon 30 years ago would buy a Traverse today.
The NHTSA has deincentivized towing with a passenger car since at least 2000. It is not considered safe and you will be on your own if any accidents happen, as you will be towing against safety advisement.
You can compare any global vehicles US tow ratings with, say, the UK's. The last year of Camry that was rated for towing was the 2021, which was rated at 800 pounds. Since 1999, the Camry has only been rated for 1000 pounds of towing.
Also ergonomics. Using the back wall as the back of the seat is not actually good for your back and bucket seats are far better. Need at least an extended cab for that.
Most if not all regular cabs these days (since they only exist in full-sizers) have a few inches of space behind the seat for reclining. The ['07-21 Tundra](https://www.shiftedwi.com/cdn/shop/files/181CB636-0650-4F1C-97EA-4C961E5F7002_2048x.jpg) and '04-14 Ford were probably the biggest in that respect.
Similarly, while old school [single-piece bench seats](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/8Q4AAOSww85aUw9U/s-l1200.jpg) had almost no lumbar or lateral support, all "bench" seats in full-sizers for the past 15 years have been 40/20/40 where the outboard seats have the same bolstering and support as those sold as "buckets".
Depends on the trade. The company that I see every day outside of my work for the past 3 years working on a city contract have all single cab long bed F150s. The city itself uses mostly the same.
My city uses crew cabs and so does every forestry, construction, or other company near me. Even the cherry picker trucks for linemen are crew cabs now. I'm sure some people still use single cabs - I think I've seen one running around checking transformers - but most people are definitely buying crews.
You're thinking way too heavy duty. Single cab trucks are the king of fleet when it comes to things like pest control, code enforcement, inspectors, etc. There are tons of opportunities.
> Bezos is no stranger to the EV market, as Amazon is a massive investor in Rivian. The former online bookstore has invested more than $1.3 billion into the electric truck-and-SUV builder, which is contracted to supply delivery vans for logistics juggernaut.
Y’all gotta read the article lol.
I know exactly what Amazon’s stake is in Rivian and how the relationship works. I am trying to figure out why Bezos is interested in making a truck that most of the consumer market does not want
I think the point is that people don’t think he is even trying. That this is never going to happen and is just being used for headlines and investors.
Or they take the Kindle model and make it out of the absolute shittiest materials, load it with advertisements, and it breaks in a year.
I have heard it all before, multiple times. Company promises affordable EV, when it comes closer to release, that price skyrockets to over twice what they quoted at concept.
Yeah, it does happen a lot. R&D is expensive. I think the best way it can happen is if they reuse an EV platform from a flagship EV with cheaper components. This would have to be a well established EV manufacturer though.
[Here's a new 2025 base model under $25K](https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/718c9d6a-0258-4fab-bc4c-d9bff402493d/)
[Here's a new 2024 for $23K](https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/653c09c7-9baa-4598-86a9-74c35b397aa3/)
At least the payload is decent, around 1500lbs for most. Most of the people I know interested in a Mav are doing things like hauling outdoor gear, gardening supplies, etc, so they just want an "exterior" cargo area for big/dirty stuff, but aren't necessarily planning on doing any towing.
Side note: '88 rotary 'vert gang!
6' or more would be nice, but 4.5' is still "actually usable" in most cases. There'd have to be a huge demand to make a second body variant of the unibody Maverick financially feasible.
Problem has been since launch the markup that dealers are adding. I’ve never seen one in person less than $26k and that was one that should have been the original $19k
Bro, dealers haven't been marking up Mavericks in years at this point. If a dealer is marking one up, the town over will definitely not. Stop spreading bullshit.
On the west coast, they've still been marking up the more desirable trims where they can. The '25 AWD Hybrid is near impossible to find unless you order one yourself. The FWD XLs & XLTs are selling below MSRP as of last week though.
Except no it's not because nobody wants them. That's why they don't exist anymore. Reddit is the only place where people want cheap 2 door stripper compact trucks and reddit isn't real. In the real world people don't buy those and haven't ever since alternatives hit the market.
I see this argument on reddit a good bit, but most dudes I talk to in real life want this kind of truck. There is a market for this kind of vehicle. This is what many a family man used to drive in the 80s and 90s. The reason all they make are big, expensive trucks is because the profit margins are higher for manufacturers.
Why didn't they buy them back when they were still in production?
It's all talk. Always has been. The people who actually buy new trucks don't want them and don't buy them. The people who claim they do don't buy them, either. There's lots of idle talk nostalgia about those old simple pickups but the fact is that it doesn't go beyond nostalgia for an imagined Norman Rockwell past.
When they phased out the small trucks, small trucks in good condition were plenty easy to find used at an affordable price. Enough time has passed that a lot of those used models are falling apart or sitting in Grandpa's garage, so there is a gap in the market, and a generation of people used to having back up cameras, carplay, side air bags, adaptive cruise control, etc. aren't prepared to do without.
The Maverick is proof that some people want smaller trucks. Even the Santa Cruz sells 30k a year. No one has made an actual compact pickup in 15 years, so you can't say people don't buy them.
The biggest issue is profit incentive for the manufacturers. If they make a 2 door truck more likely to be purchased as a base trim with minimal profit margin and a 4 door with a larger margin that is also more likely to be purchased at a higher trim level, they don't have much reason to even make the 2-door unless someone else is making a competing truck... and no one is.
Yes they'll buy small trucks - so long as they're loaded with all the luxuries that we expect. That's still not a small stripper model and that's what the narrative claims people want. They don't. They want the tech and the goodies and the comforts but they want it in a less difficult to park package than even a modern midsize. That's a whole different category of vehicle and yes those do sell very well.
Most of those "luxuries" are either mandated safety features (airbags, back up camera, emergency brakes) or add minimal costs per unit (adaptive cruise, phone projection).
The thing is, it's possible now. There are a handful of EVs that are priced under $30k. Making a bare-bones work truck with an electric motor is totally doable.
Yeah let's also just lump all the cheap EVs in China that aren't available as a comparison while talking about EV trucks being released in the US. The fact is, you're backpeddling because what you said was false (in this context), and the only example you had was a car that's not even currently in production.
From what I've seen with EV trucks, that's a no from me. I do things like haul and tow with my truck (as one does) and that seems to have a massive negative impact on battery life. I doubt you're getting much capacity in a $25k truck.
It's not for you then. There's plenty of options that are, and a dearth for those of us who would rather have something compact, economical, and efficient that fits our needs.
The problem is, the kind of people who want a 2 door truck is the kind of person who does heavy duty work with their truck. The kind of people who would want a light duty enough truck that their needs would be met with an EV would want something with 4 doors and 4 seats. Trades people carry too much stuff and too heavy of stuff to have a short range EV pickup.
The ford f-150 lightening for example loses more than HALF it's range when towing a pretty standard trailer EMPTY.
I have a 2-seat access-cab 4-cyl Tacoma that I wish was smaller and cheaper to fuel. I use it for hobbies, picking up the shit my wife finds on marketplace, work around the house (mostly soil and mulch, dimensional lumber, etc.), odd jobs for friends, and as my daily driver because our driveway only fits 2 cars.
There is room in the market for this product. I am waiting for exactly such a vehicle.
The problem with auto startups, especially for EVs, is the engineering is dead simple and solved. Its the manufacturing that's hard. And its insanely expensive. Good luck building out an entire manufacturing infrastructure selling a budget car.
The way things are going, this would have to be pretty much fully sourced from the US, and that would require many billions in the development of multiple industries, lots of factories, maybe even mining.
As a 10 year plan that assumes the world will shift hard back into the free market in a few years or as a 10 year plan that assumes those industries would be developed domestically along with other advancements in automation and maybe 3D printing that would bring down the cost, it's still massively ambitious, but it's not a 10 year plan.
>Slate Auto is looking to fire up production by late 2026
I'll believe it when I see it.
Capitalize on homelessness. Instead of sending aid to them, just price em out more with a product that shouldnt even exist... because this asshat needs anymore slave paper.. screw this guy.
I’m bullish on this if they can execute. Extremely cheap truck, with likely some form of Amazon integration.
Imagine Amazon as a dealer network. They could charge your monthly payment to your prime account, lease or own. They could have their own insurance arm, like Tesla.
Imagine if your new car just showed up at your door as a prime member, no delivery fee required. Parts would be extremely easy to find - you could just link the vehicle to your Amazon account and request the parts. One of Tesla’s main selling points is not having to deal with the dealer hassle. People would eat this up.
>Slate was reportedly founded back in 2022, born from another Bezos investment in a company called Re:Build Manufacturing.
I was wondering how this wasn't a Rivian project and I'm guessing the goal is to get Slate's car into at least the first phase of production, proving their concept, before the company is acquired by Rivian. Investors profit, Rivian gets another production facility, and the truck having the Rivian badge sees a boom in preorders.
We should be hoping there are more cheap cars in the US because the way things are going… cheap cars are now mid priced cars and the used car market is about to get a lot more expensive…again…
It wouldn’t happen unless most car buyers have financial knowledge or more rules there.
Most car buyers abuse long loan to buy expensive vehicles, that’s reason why so many cheap cars being gone in America.
If apple couldn't get a car company off the ground then bezos doesn't stand a chance.
This is just an exercise in burning money for fun. And at $25k, they would have to sell them at a loss. No way they would make money on them. Unless it was some bullshit where you buy only the frame of the truck and you have to buy everything else with it extra. Like you would have to buy the battery and the seat and the windows by themselves and pay someone to install them.
That or the truck would be the size of a kei truck or those gas powered golf carts with a bed.
You could prolly make a 25K truck. The Hyundai Inster starts at little over 23K euro (including tax and fees) for the base model.
you aren't going to get a 400+ mile truck which is sized like an F150 for that kind of money, but a compact or subcompact truc shouldn't be too much of an issue.
I don't think Apple ever seriously put their eggs into the automotive basket, it sounds like almost all their development was software-based rather than any sort of physical manufacturing, but they intentionally kept details vague because the speculation of disrupting the automotive market was good for their stock prices.
Amazon Basics pickup. They deliver it using the truck itself. Right now they are trying to figure out how to get the delivery guy back to the warehouse.
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