Lemmy explained in a nutshell
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What is the Fediverse?
The Fediverse is basically a network that consists of multiple platforms (Mastadon, Lemmy, etc.) that are interconnected.
Each platform can have many servers (sometimes called instance) that anyone can set up. For example, in Lemmy there is Lemmy.world, Lemmy.ml, sh.itjust.works, lemm.ee, Beehaw. These are the big five. Think of each one of them as its own reddit. Yeah, that is basically like five different Reddits.
There are subs under each sever. For example, lemmy.world can have lemmy.world/tech, lemmy.world/worldnews etc. Lemmy.ml can also set up the subs that want lemmy.ml/tech. etc
Here is the catch, users from each server can interact with one another. So users who created their account in lemmy.world can comment in the subs of lemmy.ml aka the other server.
Now, when it comes to the last point, this is only possible if the two servers admins agree to do so. This is called federation. If lemmy.world and lemmy.ml agree to talk to one another, they are federated, if not, they are defedrated and can't talk to one another. So users from each server can't interact unless they go and sign up for the other server.
modusbee@reddit
Have mercy!
This is "Lemmy" explained in a nutshell? Humbled homeschooling Mom here. I just asked my 6 year old what he has on his wish-list to learn as part of his Grade 1 curriculum plan.
He said he needs "a glow-in-dark-keyboard and to learn Lemmy". I'm so screwed.
madthumbz@reddit
Except that choosing a server is a daunting task that I don't want to deal with again. - And because 'anyone' can create a server - it's not likely to stick around long or be stable. Maybe there's a tool to filter out preferences in servers? -If not; fedi needs one. Opening each server page after server page to find 'nothing illegal in Germany and Brazil' type nonsense. Another thing I noticed was that it would be nice to eliminate ALL sports or news from my feed rather than blocking each and every one. - It's probably already possible? - But it should be standard / simple for a newcomer.
immersive-matthew@reddit
I have found sh.itjust.works to be reliable and growing daily. It was hard to get into at first, but I stuck with it as only way to get a Reddit alternative is to support one that is doing most of the things right. I use Memmy iOS app to access and it is very close to the best Reddit apps. Needs more work to be better, but it is trending in the right way. My home/subscriptions feed on Memmy is very similar to Reddit after a week of looking for similar subreddits
archimedeancrystal@reddit
I just tried Memmy, but getting an error when trying to login using my Mastodon account. Do we have to create a new account specifically for Lemmy?
immersive-matthew@reddit
I am not 100% sure how it works but it looks the server you are creating an account on, needs to Federate with Mastodon, but apparently reading this posts comments, Memmy does not work great for Mastodon as one is gears towards Twitter and the other towards reddit like discusion.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Mastodon/comments/143i3ql/mastodonlemmy_incompatible/
archimedeancrystal@reddit
Okay thanks. I need to do some more research.
CultureReal3810@reddit
I doubt that Memmy will allow you to log in with a Mastodon account, since it's coded to work with Lemmy's API, not Mastodon's. You most likely (like nearly 100% likely) need to create a Lemmy account in order to use Memmy or any of the other Lemmy apps.
scstraus@reddit
This is correct. They need an account on some lemmy instance.
CultureReal3810@reddit
Thanks again.
madthumbz@reddit
Privacy is a concern I forgot to mention. I despise Rob Braxman and his conspiracy theorist nonsense, but feel there is a valid concern on that front when it comes to the fediverse (why I don't use my real name).
Everyone has their own opinions on what they think is 'right'. sh.itjust.works is probably great if you're Canadian. I don't know a lick of French though, and I'm not against discourse with bigots and I like shitposts (or mocking them).
TheoryOfTheInternet@reddit
As much as I'm all for free speech, I spent 2 minutes there and saw a picture of something either coming into or out of someone's butt. I didn't hang around long enough to figure out which.
madthumbz@reddit
Yeah, I don't understand why people turn these places into porn sites just because they can.
immersive-matthew@reddit
Why if you are Canadian why would you need to know French? sh.itjust.works has access similar content as Reddit. What am I missing here?
madthumbz@reddit
I opened the page and it said something about bi-lingual. -If it didn't matter, why include that?
Paisley-Cat@reddit
It matters because Canada is bilingual and people want to know if the sysadmins and mods can handle both official languages, including dealing with the legal stuff in both languages.
The point of bilingualism is that you can choose to read and post in either language.
No one is asking you to be able to read or write in French. And if you don’t want to see French comments you can just set your language preferences to English and Undetermined.
immersive-matthew@reddit
So odd as it is on the Fediverse and thus there are lots of languages, but you rarely come across them on the main feed, just like Reddit once in a whilem and of course not at all on your own subscribed feed unless you want them. I would agree though, but in a different way, that first impressions were not great. I had issues signing up on Memmy as it gives no hints, or tips on what an acceptable username and password is, and no drop down list of servers so you have to go look separately which is fine, but I know many would just give up at that point. Needs to get better if we want mass adoption in the new decentralized world. I am glad I stuck with it as I am now 50% on Memmy and 50% on Reddit with the hope that more and more content hits the Fediverse and I can get off Reddit entirely. Fingers crossed.
virtueavatar@reddit
"Growing daily" doesn't matter and may actually have the opposite intended effect - because heavy server load can mean problems.
The idea of the fediverse is that you can sign onto a smaller reliable server (another "reddit" as this post puts it) and get the same experience.
immersive-matthew@reddit
I was meaning growth of the overall Lemmy fediverse. It definitely could use more people, but it is enough to replace 50% of my Reddit time.
Spaser@reddit
I'm also concerned that different servers may start fighting and 'un-federate' from each other. So I could be subscribed to a bunch of different communities, but then my home server just decides to sever ties with the server where my communities are. Sounds like a real headache.
DouglasJFalcon@reddit
Migrate your subscriptions to a smaller instance in that case.
TheoryOfTheInternet@reddit
They already have been. That's also something that Mastadon has quite a history with.
Purple10tacle@reddit
You also really, really have to trust this 'anyone'. Given, that this entity has full access to everything you do on the server: from seeing all your up and downvotes, everything you look at, the content of your private messages.
They also control who they federalize with and what you see. And they even control how securely they store your login credentials.
That's a lot of trust to put into a basically anonymous entity.
But, then again, we gave all this power to assholes like /u/spez.
scstraus@reddit
This is the real point. No one was freaking out over this stuff when they signed up to reddit. If you didn't care then, why do you care now? And if you do, having choices is a good thing not a bad one.
DouglasJFalcon@reddit
Right? If the admin of my preferred instance goes full spez at least I can jump to another and stop access the same communities using the same apps.
PUBLIQclopAccountant@reddit
Or Mr. Zuck, "they trust me, the dumb fucks"
TheoryOfTheInternet@reddit
I've sent very, very few DMs on reddit, and treated them all as if they were being read by reddit staff.
IMO, that's one of the things that's very broken about the current federation models. If it's really supposed to be like email, open, less censored or whatever other things it's marketed as ... why does the server I'm on control what instances I can or can't see?
People say federation is decentralized, and "just like email" but it really isn't. You still have a number of centrally controlled servers, and by joining them, they control who you can or can't interact with, and even if you launch your own that doesn't mean your server is automatically federated with any other server.
At the moment "classic" internet forums are the best thing I've found. They have the healthiest communities and best discussions. You have to join several to get a number of topics, but the way I see lemmy going, you'd have to join several anyway.
NeoKabuto@reddit
And some of that isn't limited to your instance's owner. Voting is effectively public record (although I think only kbin shows it easily), any cross-instance messaging would be visable to both instances' admins.
tunachilimac@reddit
This is sort of where I'm failing to see fediverse as the perfect solution that people make it out to be. If my home instance goes down, I still have make a new account on another instance.
I don't see how this is better than each instance being their own independent site. At least then my account is still active on other instances if my preferred one goes down.
scstraus@reddit
It's better because you can see the content from all the other sites. Making an account takes all of 2 minutes.
scstraus@reddit
Just choose any server, subscribe to the communities you like, and filter the posts by subscribed communities. Done. No need to over think it.
Paisley-Cat@reddit
You don’t have to sign up for communities that don’t interest you.
Also, there’s no algorithm that’s force-feeding you stuff you have no interest in.
Pick a good well-run instance/server. Sign up for what you want and look at that.
Stiltzkinn@reddit
Seems you were lucky when the old internet was Usenet, mIRC and forums, back then those places were independent enough to not be censored or you can just move to another trsutfull server.
Choosing an instance with a client is as easy with just going to m.lemmy.world.
Vvector@reddit
You should strive to subscribe to the communities you want to follow, not block those you don't want to see.
Asyncrosaurus@reddit
Lemmy isn't hard to understand, it's just too convoluted to be anything but a niche interest for nerds. When someone in the gen pop asks "What's this fediverse thing?", the answers are all multiple paragraphs explaining the spaghetti network of instances. Your average user thinks facebook is the internet, you lost them two sentaces in.
Consider, they say, "hey, whats twitter" and you reply "a place to post short status updates."
they say, "hey, whats facebook" and you reply "a place where you parents share cat memes."
they say, "hey, whats instagram" and you reply "a place to share photos"
they say, "hey, whats Reddit" and you reply "a place to comment on the headlines without reading the articles"
they say, "hey, whats Lemmy" and you reply "Lemmy is part of the Fediverse. It's just like E-mail, in that it's a decentralized network of servers that are independently owned and can communicate with one another. That means whatever instance you pick, you can interact with every other instance in the friendiverse. Well, only as long as the servers are able to send the same type of messages, so if you're on Lemmy than you can't interact with Mastodon for example, except if you use a Kbin instance, then you can connect with Lemmy, Mastodon, and Peertube, it all depends on the server. Following along so far? Great! So now you may be asking, ok, I just want a Reddit replacement, which instance should I pick? And that's another easy question! Now the best thing about the Frediverse is that you've got boatloads of options like Lemmy, Kbin, Beehaw, etc, and each of those servers have their own instances that you can create an account with, but once you make an account on that instance, it works for every other instance on the server as well as every instance on every other server, except, if another server deferderates or blocks your server such as how Beehaw defederated or how Lemmy blocked Kbin, oh and also due to minor technical issues, you might not actually be able to see the same comments on other instances and they may take a good amount of time to get to you at which point the info is unrelated. Now some may just say just pick the biggest server, but that's actually a terrible idea because they tend to have worse moderation and be bought out by bad actors, such as my father who would regularly beat me with jumper cables, plus small to medium servers can just as easily connect with the rest of the fediverse, at least potentially. Obviously it depends on the rules set forth, people in charge, and political alignment of that instance, so make sure to pay close attention to that as due to all the infighting, you could be disconnected from other servers at any moment, but you can always just migrate which is a whole other tutorial. Instances have subs just like Reddit, and if your instance doesn't have the sub you want, there'll prob be another instance that does, except there'll actually be several instances that do, so you have to choose which of those subs you want to follow as you might miss out if you choose too little or get redundant threads if you do too much. Sorry what was the question again?"
nvrtellalyliejennr@reddit
im literally WHEEZING
this is so funny please why
fullyphil@reddit
they say "hey, what's Lemmy?"
and you reply "do you like beans?"
virtueavatar@reddit
When I read the original post, I thought that sounds great! Now say it again but cut it down to just a couple of sentences.
And I love using Lemmy
Asyncrosaurus@reddit
Yeah, Lemmy needs an elevator pitch. Something so short you can say it in the time it takes to ride an elevator between floors.
Know your audience, the most tech illiterate may need something reductive: "Lemmy isn't a site, it's a collection of sites that all talk to eachother. It's like if you were on Facebook but were able to see tweets from Twitter and photos from Instagram all together."
tasbir49@reddit
I say it's a bunch of reddit sites that can comment and upvoted eachother lol
kstera@reddit
Real problem, yeah. I go "yeah, Fediverse, cool, I should create an account and try it out, I just need to pick an instance. Let me see...". Then some time later I'm late for work or something and that's it. Honestly, it happened like three times already lol
OwenEverbinde@reddit
pick lemm.ee
It's smaller than lemmy.world so isn't as overloaded. And it's also general purpose.
You're free to create an account on a different instance whenever you please. You are even free to use your same exact account name. So you're not locking yourself in by picking one.
In fact, I've already registered with the same username in two different instances just to do some debugging.
LibertyLizard@reddit
Just pick one. You can always make another account if it turns out you chose wrongly, and most of the time it does not matter that much.
scstraus@reddit
Yeah people are way overthinking this. I mean you only ever got one reddit instance, so what do you care which one you choose? Most of them are already better than reddit. If you don't like it, go spend 2 minutes signing up on another.. You wasted 2 minutes of your life, big deal.
tasbir49@reddit
It's the paradox of choice. Happens all the time!
kstera@reddit
good point
rekglast@reddit
I'll try, as someone who's yet to join Lemmy. And I know it's a bit long, but I believe it will help in explaining:
Lemmy is a "platform" for posts and discussions of topics with other people and communities. It behaves similarly to the early days of Reddit.
What makes Lemmy unique are two things:
Using familiar terms, you could probably think of it as a collection of "private servers" of Reddit, with diverse communities per server, and each server's members could interact with each other to some degree, I suppose.
Moohamin12@reddit
Unrelated but I miss Flipboard. I used to have FB, Insta and Twitter all in the same magazine and flip through them without having to switch apps.
2014 was so far away.
turkeypants@reddit
Where were you during Occupy Wall Street?!
huffalump1@reddit
Nice description, that makes more sense and seems pretty spot-on.
Zarbatron@reddit
The fediverse is a decentralized social network that enables diverse communities to coexist and interact while preserving their autonomy.
fritter_rabbit@reddit
This is correct. This is also what makes Lemmy great.
Reminder: reddit was like this ~15 years ago.
TheoryOfTheInternet@reddit
This is exactly what the Federation-Bros always start out by saying, but it is completely NOT even remotely true.
I even had someone on a programming related discord arguing with me that email is a federation, and that there's basically zero difference between how email works and federation works. I suppose to be fair, it was a frontend developer.
Pamasich@reddit
I agree that it's not quite the same, but how is it not even remotely true?
They're very similar from my perspective. Both are a decentralized technology where different servers run by different people/organizations can communicate with each other over a shared protocol.
Of course, there ARE differences beyond that, like how email is one-way afaik (you send, you don't ask servers you know for messages), and how with email only the intended recipient can see your message not everyone on the server or federated with it. I'm just questioning the "not even remotely true".
LOL to be fair even for the fediverse that description is wrong. The US is a federation, a union of many self-governing pieces under a centralized power. That latter part is completely against what the fediverse stands for. It's just a buzzword from what I can tell.
TheoryOfTheInternet@reddit
There are lots of things which essentially fit that exact model, including the internet itself, or even telephones.
The instant you start to define "federated social media" in a way which is not just talking about digital communication, is where the comparisons with email lose all meaning.
Stiltzkinn@reddit
That is because email should be compared as a protocol not as a federation.
youessbee@reddit
Lemmy is like Reddit without u/spez
Stiltzkinn@reddit
All alternatives are there to avoid Spez.
PUBLIQclopAccountant@reddit
Perhaps we're better off without them.
Software for setting up places for commenting on headlines without reading the article.
Pamasich@reddit
I don't know about lemmy, but
for lemmy, I can imagine you can probably just copy the reddit explanation.
I disagree, any of the others will get convoluted too if you actually get into the details of how they work. The issue with lemmy isn't that it's too convoluted, but that people decide to introduce people to it with a convoluted explanation.
You don't need to do that. The explanation of the fediverse can come later when they already are interested in lemmy.
hopefullyhelpfulplz@reddit
Whyyyy does it have to be explained this way. Just say "it's like reddit but there's more than one URL".
SomeName500@reddit
Wonderfully explained. Reddit was nice because of the number people interacting. You post something in a certain sub and someone with profound knowledge is likely to answer. I loved that.
As an advanced user I kind of struggle with the different lemmy instances. I tried to convince some colleagues to try lemmy but most of them skipped at the fediverse part.
So the problem is you don't get this nice mixture of different people, you only get the nerd bubble.
firebreathingbunny@reddit
I LOLed out LOL
Spaser@reddit
Any Fediverse desktop sites or apps with a dark mode?
Madbrad200@reddit
? all lemmy instances have dark modes. It's in the user settings. Pretty sure it's even default lol
Spaser@reddit
Wasn't the default. And I didn't realize you had to be signed in to enable it. I was avoiding even creating an account until I could confirm the existence of dark mode.
cerevant@reddit
I haven't seen one that doesn't have dark mode.
Paisley-Cat@reddit
The main browser view provides several options in a users individual preferences.
jekpopulous2@reddit
I wanted to like Mastodon and Lemmy… I just don’t. The fragmentation makes it too difficult to curate information across servers. Like when I go to /gaming I wanna be able to see results from /gaming across all federated instances, but that’s not how it works. Or if I search something I want search results from all federated instances. Maybe it will get there eventually but right now it’s only good for niche channels.
I think what we need is something decentralized, not federated. I don’t have a good alternative but Lemmy isn’t it.
georgehotelling@reddit
How do you see gaming content across r/gaming, r/patientgamers, r/steam, r/truegaming, etc. on reddit? It's fragmented here too. Subscribing to subs you like fixes the problem on reddit and on Lemmy.
That's kind of what happens when you search, for servers your server federates with. For a global search, there's https://www.search-lemmy.com
fritter_rabbit@reddit
They are also working on fixing the search functions. People keep forgetting lemmy is a work-in-progress and is nowhere near "finished". All software is like that, but lemmy is like a toddler and reddit is an old man. The toddler can't do much yet, but has a lot brighter future ahead of it.
Madbrad200@reddit
Reddit has Multireddits/Custom feeds. Lemmy doesn't have this yet.
jekpopulous2@reddit
I use Reddit’s custom feeds function… I have one feed for gaming subs, one for design subs, one for music subs, etc… it’s probably my favorite Reddit feature. Being able to aggregate posts from different subs into a single view makes the site so much more useful.
Stiltzkinn@reddit
Lemmy is decentralized and some instances are not federated.
Paisley-Cat@reddit
The Lemmy Community Browser would let you search for communities with ‘game’ or ‘gaming’ and find those equivalents of subreddits. It’s fairly fussy on syntax but usable.
Yes, there are in some cases multiple communities with the same topic, but that’s no different from Reddit.
If you wanted to globally search posts and comments, that’s not an option. So, it would depend on how important that feature is for you.
CultureReal3810@reddit
I really like https://lemmyverse.net/communities for searching for Lemmy communities.
Paisley-Cat@reddit
Thanks for that! The search function seems much less tetchy.
CultureReal3810@reddit
You're welcome! Cool. I hadn't noticed that, but just thought it looked better and seemed to provide more functionality.
aceshighsays@reddit
footnote, beehaw defederated from lemmy.world, unsure if they defederated from all of the lemmy's.
fritter_rabbit@reddit
And it hasn't been that big of a deal. Beehaw has their safespace / hugbox thing going on and they're happy with it. Folks on the other instances don't really miss them, and if they do it's not a big deal to have multiple logins for multiple instances. The mobile apps support this and switching is just using a dropdown.
CultureReal3810@reddit
You can see which other instances an instance federates with or defederates from by going to /instances. Ex: https://beehaw.org/instances
aceshighsays@reddit
that list isn't updated since it has lemmy.world...
CultureReal3810@reddit
Yeah, I wondered about that. I don't know why that is.
aceshighsays@reddit
too many new people/not enough mods, they may federate once the lemmy.world stabilizes.
CultureReal3810@reddit
Oh, I misunderstood. I thought you meant that lemmy.world was showing on beehaws federated list even though they're defederated. That /instances page actually has two separate lists for federated and defederated.
scstraus@reddit
This is a better way to tell. You can search both which instances are blocked by who and which instances block which other ones:
https://fba.ryona.agency/
CultureReal3810@reddit
Oh, interesting, I wasn't familiar with this site. Thanks!
starquakegamma@reddit
One thing I don’t quite understand is, for example, what if two servers have a sub with the same name?
fritter_rabbit@reddit
One of them will emerge as the most popular, just like the redundant subs on reddit do. I admit it's a little bit messier-looking on lemmy, but it's essentially the same. There's also kbin for a simpler approach (but kbin doesn't have a good mobile app yet).
pruwyben@reddit
It's pretty much the same as when there are two subreddits with similar subject matter. They are probably different sizes and may have slightly different topics or "cultures". You can join either one, or both.
One difference is that they may reflect the server they're on if it has a specific theme. e.g. https://slrpnk.net/c/memes has mostly solarpunk memes
TheRealMisterd@reddit
There is no issue but confusion for the end user.
on client/app end, many devs are about to offer a way for end users to pick and choose which subs they can merge together. The problem I see it that the list of which subs you want to be merged together won't be saved in your Lemmy account and thus won't be portable. So you have to set up the merging on your phone and tablet separately.
On the back-end, Lemmy server developers have mentioned that they are hoping to offer a way for Instance admins to merge subs but I don't think this will happen. I think they will offer a similar merging feature as the App Devs and finally create a location in your Lemmy account to store the list of which subs to merge.
OmniGlitcher@reddit
There's effectively an @[server] suffix for every subreddit counterpart, as each server instance are all technically different websites.
So you could have funny@lemmy.world, as well as funny@lemmy.ml. Add more as you like for other @[servers].
It fragments the userbase certainly, but people have a tendency to gravitate to the most popular, and of course you can always contribute to more than one or even every version of that community.
I--Hate--Ads@reddit (OP)
That is fine. Just follow the largest one/most active one or the ones you like more. It is like having r/games and r/gaming
notjordansime@reddit
Redundant communities creates a lot of fragmentation. I don't want to have to be in five different (yet the same) communities because I'll end up seeing the same post 5 times. Redundant communities should 'merge'. ie. If I'm on lemmy.ml/tech, I should be able to see and ineract with posts from lemmy.world/tech. They can still be seperate under the hood, but from a user's perspective, they should merge IMO.
Also, the whole NSFW situation on the fediverse is a mess. Generally there's no middle ground. There's "everything" servers, and then there's NSFW servers that tend to lack everything else. Most SFW servers don't federate with NSFW servers either.
I'm an advanced user and I have trouble with it sometimes. I can't imagine what it's like for a casual browser who just wants their r/catvideos, r/trees, and r/worldpolitics.
Stiltzkinn@reddit
One community for all as Reddit model can get astroturfed, censored or have a right or wing echochamber.
With Lemmy you have options than a centralized site.
notjordansime@reddit
You have options on a centralised platform too. Just look at all of the subreddits for ontario, canada. Our version of the qanon guys keep making new subreddits, normal users catch on, astroturf it back to normalcy, the qanon folks claim censorship, or internal meddling at reddit, or klaus schwab eradicating dissenting opinions, make a new group, and you don't hear from them for a few months. It's just a game of cat and mouse. Same shit will happen on the fediverse. At least it's easier to keep track of here.
Stiltzkinn@reddit
Censorship, astroturfing and state propaganda are not bullshit, if you like what Reddit offers you good for you. Lemmy gives the alternative to avoid all that.
Paisley-Cat@reddit
There are redundant communities on Reddit too. There are many cat or Star Trek subreddits, but not so many with critical mass in participation.
Good communities with good conversations and good mods get members and participation. Same with Lemmy.
As an example, the knitting community on one instance took off but the viable crochet one is on another instance/server. No big deal.
notjordansime@reddit
That's all fine when instances with popular groups stay federated, but some of the groups I was following were on beehaw. My lemmy.ml account could no longer access them. Now, I just have an account on every instance, which is even more confusing. If I want to refer back to a comment I made, or a conversation I had, I have to search four different accounts. I made one on each of the main instances I use in case any of them decided to defederate like beehaw did. I know the point of the fediverse is one account for multiple services, but those services don't always talk with eachother.
If you made your account with the server containing the knitting group, and it defederated with the server containing the crochet group. How would you access the crochet group without making an account on the crochet group's server??
Paisley-Cat@reddit
Beehaw’s defederation from some other instances related to security issues and management of trolls and boys on other instances as they grew.
Waiting out a few days was all it took.
tunachilimac@reddit
I kinda disagree with this. Let's say you run an instance and make /tech and people are posting mostly tech memes. I run an instance and make /tech but I don't want memes I want tech news. If they appear the same to end users they're going to be constantly trying to post memes in my instance and news in your instance. There's nothing wrong with yours being memes and mine being news but if they're somehow transparently merged it'll cause more problems than it solves.
notjordansime@reddit
Then you should make /technews, and the other person should make /techmemes. When users have hundreds of groups to keep tabs on, vauge, redundant names become difficult to keep track of. Say I'm a casual user (ie. most users) and want to post on the tech memes group... Is that lemmy.ml/tech, or is it lemmy.world/tech? Oh wait, I think it might actually be sh.itjust.works/tech... Guess I have to browse several forums to find the one I'm really looking for because they're all named the exact same thing.
yes, this problem exists on reddit too but to a much lesser degree. Since subreddits have to have unique names, it's a bit easier to remember which one is which.
tunachilimac@reddit
If every group with the same name across every instance must house the exact same content rule set, what even is the point of the fediverse then?
notjordansime@reddit
Better usability from the user's perspective, while maintaining a decentralized backend. Redundant groups with the exact same name is confusing to new and casual users. If redundant groups were merged, users get a better experience, and no single entity has the power to make unwanted changes or pull the plug.
Users can still create new, unique groups with their own content guidelines and rulesets. Just name it something unique.
tunachilimac@reddit
Yes, fediverse is confusing to new people.
Who gets to choose what changes are made to the group with that name then?
And isn't the whole point of this fediverse thing that I can just join an instance with the rules I like?
So when an instance decides to federate with another instance and there are not naming conflicts, how do your propose it be decides which group takes priority and which one will lose their rule set and content guidelines?
notjordansime@reddit
The merger would have to be a process. If I could call the shots, I'd give them a time period, say one to three months. After that point, the mod teams from both groups will be merged into one new group. If you want to stay, awesome. If you'd rather join other mods and make a more focused group like /techmemes, spectacular. Remaining mods would moderate it as they see fit. Decisions would be made the same way mod teams currently go about it, or with a voting system. The earlier something like this is done, the less naming conflicts there'll be.
The 'point' of the fediverse is not having all of your eggs in one basket. This can still be done on the backend with a 'centralised' frontend. I'd actually argue that merging groups would make it more difficult for any one person to make rule changes that tank a community.
I--Hate--Ads@reddit (OP)
It can be a blessing and a curse at the same time. I don't really expect Lemmy to ever go mainstream, but if it can get enough users to have enough content and discussion when it comes to a variety of topics that is all that matters.
GuilleX@reddit
Thanks to this post i created an account. Thank you.
BoxesFromEbay@reddit
another way to think of it is email for social media, your gmail can interact with outlook accounts and vice versa, and its the same way on lemmy, your lemmy.world account can interact with lemmy.ml accounts and vice versa
MagentaMirage@reddit
If your mass market platform needs to be explained it will never be a mass market platform.
scstraus@reddit
Who says anyone wants that? As a 16 year veteran of Reddit (user 4160), I can tell you that the best years of reddit were around 10-14 years ago. It was far from a mass market platform at that time. And that was a good thing.
heety9@reddit
You lost me at Fediverse. Who gives a shit, I just want to see cat pictures.
Madbrad200@reddit
https://lemmy.world/c/cat
https://lemmy.world/c/aww
https://lemmy.world/c/aww@lemmy.ml
https://lemmy.world/c/cats@sh.itjust.works
crummynubs@reddit
lol posting eight separate links doesn't make lemmy more appealing.
Madbrad200@reddit
? do you realise how many cat subreddits there are on reddit lmao there's literally hundreds of slight variations all for cat pics
Paisley-Cat@reddit
There are communities for that.
Search for ‘cat’ in the Lemmy Community Browser.
Or even ‘cat pictures’.
covmatty1@reddit
Exactly how big is the nut for which this is the shell, out of interest?
Y'all need to go on a UX course, fast.
DreadPirate777@reddit
The thing that bugs me about having separate servers is for each one I need to have a different user name and login. Finding servers with niche topics i’m interested in is difficult as well.
cerevant@reddit
This is not true. Accessing off-instance communities is the #1 UX problem for Lemmy, but it can be done and once it is set up, functions pretty seamlessly.
You need to search for the remote community by pasting the Url or
!community_name@server.tld
into the community search box on the server you are logged in to. In many cases, a link will appear after a short pause. Sometimes it takes a few minutes. Then you can browse and interact with it just like any other community on your instance.DreadPirate777@reddit
I wish that was more evident. I am using Memmy but all it does is prompt you for a server log in.
cerevant@reddit
Yeah...I don't think setting this up will work in the app, you have to do it on the website. Again, though, once it is set up, it looks like just another community on your instance.
It is unfortunate that the devs have to focus on security and availability issues right now, because Lemmy needs some key feature improvements to catch on. I feel like the the fleddit isn't going to be the transition to one or more competitors, but it will be the impetus to put serious development resources into creating competitors. I feel like we are in the CERN httpd era of federated social media, and once there is a critical mass of users, second generation platforms will evolve like Apache and IIS did. It just makes so much sense for organizations to host their own social media presence, just as they do for web and e-mail.
DreadPirate777@reddit
I totally agree it’s in its infancy. I just wish that it’s was better now since the need is now. Memmy is so buggy that it’s hard to use.
cerevant@reddit
Give Voyager (m.lemmy.world) a try. It is an installable web app, but it is more feature complete and stable than the other iOS apps.
Rivent@reddit
Just FYI, you definitely do not have to search for communities using the community link formatting mentioned above. Just go to search, enter the name of the community you're searching for, limit the results to "Communities" it will surface the top communities of that name from all federated instances.
DreadPirate777@reddit
I think I might have to wait a bit on the memmy mobile app. Every screen gives error pop ups.
Rivent@reddit
Which instance are you on? Lemmy.world and Lemmy.ml have been under DDOS attack the last day or so.
DreadPirate777@reddit
Lemmy.world
That’s lame there is a ddos attack. People just want to see memes and news.
Rivent@reddit
Yep, that'd do it. If you want to get started now you could always create your account on another, smaller instance and build out your communities there. Then you'd be able to see non-world stuff, at least. The devs have also been pretty good about fixing things quickly (they had another ddos attack recently) so it'll probably be sorted in a day or two.
CultureReal3810@reddit
You can see and interact with the content and users from other servers with only one login. No need to create multiple accounts unless you want to for other reasons.
This site is great for finding instances and communities: https://lemmyverse.net.
Once you find a community you're interested in, copy the ! link that is shown on the listing and search in your instance for that.
Give it a few seconds for the result to be returned. Open that returned link and click subscribe.
Enfants@reddit
Posting these explanations are detrimental as they just seem overwhelming to new users. No one wants to read a wall of text to know how to use a service.
Just link to your favorite instance and call it a day
SlavaUkrainiFTW@reddit
Someone please pin this.
turkeypants@reddit
It sounds like that libertarian thing where a different guy owns each mile of road and has his own gates and rules and stuff. Just a big uncoordinated mess whose use is subject to lots of individual whims.
cerevant@reddit
Yes, because reddit is such a paragon of fairness and consistency.
eyeroll
Lexmada@reddit
what is love?
firebreathingbunny@reddit
If anybody wasn't confused enough yet, he is now.
TheoryOfTheInternet@reddit
Lemmy is like a bunch of nuts in a shell, that got out and started wandering around.
ViagraDaddy@reddit
They like speech as long as it's speech they agree with.