EPIC hires attorney amid Gov. Abbott dispute
Posted by southernemper0r@reddit | plano | View on Reddit | 36 comments
Posted by southernemper0r@reddit | plano | View on Reddit | 36 comments
Tekkamanquick1818@reddit
From what I've been told is that it will also be under Sharia law?? That something we want to be ok with?
PsychoticHobo@reddit
You just heard that and thought "hmm that seems both likely and possible" and didn't question it? Your bullshit radar just didn't go off at all? Your understanding of American law makes you think that a neighborhood can just impose laws like that?
I am constantly surprised by the lack of people's critical thinking skills...
biina247@reddit
But don't let it stop them from voting
Socrates definitely had a point
PinkTruck555@reddit
literally just listen to first 2 minutes of this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gZFE1QojfI
TryNotToAnyways2@reddit
Where did you hear that? It's absolutely not true. You should really be more sceptical about what you hear, believe and chose to pass on.
ataylorm@reddit
I can’t say I know much about the community, and I’m 100% against religion. But this seems to me to be total BS from Abbott and a complete abuse of power.
leasthanzero@reddit
I’m no fan of Abbott and think he needs to go but are you ok with having to be a specific religion in order to live in any neighborhood?
TryNotToAnyways2@reddit
EPIC has always stated that they will follow fair housing laws. There is NO requirement to be a certain religion to live in that neighborhood. That would be against the law.
ApothaneinThello@reddit
On the other hand, how many non-muslims would be living there? How many applied? Can there be discrimination against the outgroup if no none of them even applies? Seems almost like a philosophical question.
ApothaneinThello@reddit
Exactly. Muslims and non-muslims alike can go shopping for niqabs at aaBideen Modest Wear or receive instruction on Quranic scholarship at Sabeel 114. The idea that EPIC is creating a community "for muslims only" is ridiculous
relevant_mofo@reddit
I went to an open house in a community around epic. They asked for name and details and ghosted me when I kept asking for details/disclosures through my broker.
TryNotToAnyways2@reddit
EPIC has yet to build one house.
kindachubbystrongguy@reddit
What’s your source on that? I live over here and there are literally streets full of new build houses over there surrounding EPIC. That whole area is like a mini Middle East
relevant_mofo@reddit
I am talking about the communities around EPIC in east Plano not the Josephine location..
leasthanzero@reddit
That’s good to know.
eternalwinter3000@reddit
Y’all are acting like it’s easy to buy one of these properties in the first place. They sold out within 2 mins of launch, and even if you got a spot, the pricing is so wild that there’s no way most can afford it. Requirement to be a certain religion to get in? Ha… Muslims can’t even get in bud. Plus, that community would like nothing better than to have a bunch of non-Muslims get property around them and find out they are loving, caring, normal people lol. PURE Islamophobic fearmongering
Accomplished_Gas4698@reddit
Is that a fact or hearsay ?
leasthanzero@reddit
It’s assumptions from the cherry picked statements in the video linked that could lead one to believe it’s exclusionary.
nbahsan@reddit
Anyone who wants to buy can purchase, obviously a development all the way in Josephine centered around a mosque will tend to attract predominantly Muslims but there’s no contractual obligation to be Muslim. You can go purchase a share right now, or a plot of land when it becomes available, the developers would love your money.
leasthanzero@reddit
If this is true then I take back my concern. Just don’t know what “faith based community” means.
nbahsan@reddit
The faith based part means they're centering the community around a mosque and a private Islamic school. The 1000 homes and the retail offerings will be open to whoever wants to invest (Muslim, Christian, Hindu, etc.) but again realistically considering the community is being developed around a mosque and Islamic School, I'd bet that majority of residents and businesses will probably be owned by Muslims. Legally there's no issue nor is there restrictions to ownership, however will it create a segregated community, most definitely. The whole situation with Sharia Law is just fear mongering stuff that started from some Islamphobic TikTok influencer and of course our right wing pandering dear leader Greg Abbot took that and ran with it.
Tintoverde@reddit
I do not like the idea. But I my understanding there is nothing illegal about it.
Ebonflames@reddit
(Preface im agnostic) I feel growing up in Plano this is really just an unfortunate story born of ignorance. EPIC has been around for a long time and is full of great people! No one would be making a fuss if the Prince of Peace Catholic or Prestonwood Baptist communities were doing this. People are just ignorant because they see the word Muslim. No one made state wide news stories when Asian Americans bought up the area around Park & Coit. It's only natural for communities either religious or cultural/racial to pool resources and create a space for themselves. From everything I have seen they have done nothing illegal Republicans just love fear mongering off peoples ignorance of different cultures.
This-Speech4659@reddit
Uhhh. If this was a whites only neighborhood lawsuits and headlines would be national. White people created Plano and look what happened. More diverse groups move in. You can’t build a community just for one group.
ilvbras@reddit
Who said they are? Abbott?
Jaepheth@reddit
I'm just gonna say there are far too many companies called "epic"
thephotoman@reddit
There are, but the East Plano Islamic Center came by the name honestly by being the oldest and largest mosque in East Plano.
Arrival797@reddit
https://youtu.be/8gZFE1QojfI?si=yFG2oKH1vV4VxatN
Just watch and listen 😅 EPIC hired a lawyer that represented Ken Paxton .. it’s so hilarious what Gov. Abbot is going about and how just one person is putting all claims to trash !!
FaIIBright@reddit
I don't get it. Christian communes have existed for a long time. Why wouldn't an Islamic one be any different? Besides, isn't this a direct violation of the First and Fourteenth Amendments?
I-g_n-i_s@reddit
While not illegal, the issue is this will create an insular echo chamber that could be hostile to our western way of life because kids that will grow up there will not be integrated.
FaIIBright@reddit
Still, that doesn't warrant breaking 2 amendments for something relatively minor that *might* happen.
relevant_mofo@reddit
There are so many communities around east Plano/Murphy where the pricing was attractive and when me/friend tried to show interest and purchase they don’t respond at all…
LordSlickRick@reddit
Whatever happens it’s an interesting case study. It’s essentially transforming an area into a religious focused city and development, not barring anyone but obviously attracting a large number of a specific religious group. There’s definitely been versions of it in the past with multiple religions and I don’t believe any of them have been illegal in formation but just about all of them use this environment they create to skirt legal oversight, and multiple versions got broken up over time due to health concerns, child safety, and human rights issues. I don’t know what to think, most of the time any religious group does this it fallas apart and it’s bad but I do see there’s no legal basis for saying you can’t.
TryNotToAnyways2@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiryas_Joel,_New_York
LordSlickRick@reddit
In 1989, the village forbade any property owner from selling or renting an apartment without its permission. Teitelbaum elaborated that “anyone that rents without this permission has to be dealt with like a real murderer ... and he should be torn out from the roots”.[40] In the early 1990s, the New York State Police responded many times to the village, which has a generally low crime rate otherwise, when self-described dissidents reported harassment such as broken windows and graffiti containing profanity on their property. In one incident, troopers rode a school bus undercover to catch teenage boys stoning it; the boys later stoned a back-up police cruiser when it arrived. One of Weider’s nephews was among those arrested. He admitted that some of the village’s young men took it upon themselves to act violently against dissidents because they could not bear to hear the grand rebbe criticized, although he said most of them were provoked to do so by dissidents.[39] “Someone not following breaks down the whole system of being able to educate and being able to bring up our children with strong family values”, Weider told The New York Times in 1992. “Why do you think we have no drugs? If we lost respect for the Grand Rabbi, we lose the whole thing.”[39] In January 1990, the village held its first, and, for a decade, only, school board election. “It’s like this”, Teitelbaum explained when he announced the names of seven hand-picked candidates. “With the power of the Torah, I am here the authority in the rabbinical leadership ... As you know, I want to nominate seven people, and I want these people to be the people.”[40] One dissident, Joseph Waldman, decided nevertheless to run on his own. He was made unwelcome at the synagogue, his children were expelled from yeshiva, his car’s tires slashed, and his windows broken. Several hundred residents marched in the streets in front of his house chanting, “Death to Joseph Waldman!”, after posters calling for that fate were posted in the synagogue. After the election, in which Waldman finished last, but still won 673 votes, 60 families who were known to have voted for him were barred from visiting their fathers’ graves in the village cemetery that was owned by the rabbi, and banned from the synagogue (also, at the time, the village’s only polling place). Waldman compared Teitelbaum to Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini.[40] After the election, a state court ruled that Waldman’s children had to be reinstated at the yeshiva, an action that was only taken after the judge held Teitelbaum in contempt and fined him personally.
biturbo2025@reddit
OP stop posting this shit over and over again. Don’t give a shit. There’s nothing there. Stupid fcuk been posting this every day