First time firearm buyer, need opinions

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HerbDaLine@reddit

The Canik TP9SFX is a large gun with a 5.2 inch barrel if I remember correctly. But it is very accurate and fun to shoot at the range. Unlike a Glock the trigger is very good on the TP9SFX [and all Caniks] so be very sure you are following the 4 gun safety rules. I have had some unexpected follow up shots with my Caniks before I got very used to them. If you want a gun that large, look at the Canik Mete SFX. It should be about TP9SFX size but with improved features for not too much more money. All Caniks come with a good set of accessories [different backstraps, 2 magazines, cleaning tools, screws for optic mounting, etcetera]. The TP9SFX "kit" you were shown is probably just the normally included accessories.

The Canik MC9L and MC9LS are similar in size to a hellcat pro, Glock 43X or sig p365xl [compare sizes and weights at hangunhero.com]. But the Canik MC9L and MC9LS are a better deal and are optic ready. The MC9 is cheaper but has a shorter grip and a 12 and 15 round magazine instead of 2x 17 round magazines.

I carry and recommend the MC9L. It has more holster availability than the MC9LS at this time. If you get one, the Canik subreddit is very helpful [except holster discussions have been banned by the mods, use FB for holster info].

Bring that target in to 10 yards instead of 20 yards. When your groups improve at 10 yards start moving out further [I do 2 yards at a time].

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drewsaphor@reddit

Sorry, the Shield 2.0 is better. I had a ton of Malfunctions with the MC9.

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HerbDaLine@reddit

About 1000 rounds & I had no failures in the MC9 except with sig Elite Defense [6 of 20 failed to load, it has a large diameter hollow cavity and catches on the feed ramp]. Federal Punch works great along with various kinds of FMJ.

The MC9L has zero failures with over 1000 rounds FMJ through it and 20 Federal Punch HP.

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drewsaphor@reddit

MC9 - I had 500 rounds of fmj. 180 failure to feed on 1 of them. 300 rounds on the second one, 200 failure to feed. So unpleasant to shoot, I gave up.

Just under 3000 rounds through my Rival, broken slide release. Didn't even last an entire shooting season of IDPA.

Canik green bomber, 500 rounds 1 malfunction.

Smith and Wesson m&p shield plus performance center, 500 rounds, 0 malfunctions. Eats everything. 3 different types of defense rounds with open cavities like sig.

Smith and Wesson m&p Shield plus - 1500 rounds, not a single malfunction. Eats everything. 3 different types of defense rounds with open cavities like sig.

Smith and Wesson m&p Competitor - upwards of 6,000 - 7,000 rounds, cleaned once. 0 malfunctions. Never tried defense rounds.

With my personal track record with Canik v. Smith, I have come to the conclusion that Canik isn't worth it.

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DimensionalCucumba@reddit (OP)

What are the 4 safety rules? I haven’t taken the concealed carry course yet. The only ones I am aware of are: -Always keep your finger off the trigger unless you are ready to shoot. -Never aim the firearm at anything you don’t want to destroy.

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Ornery_Secretary_850@reddit

Do yourself a favor and learn to use Google. You could have Googled the four rules and received an answer instantly.

Quit looking for answers and start seeking knowledge

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357noLove@reddit

I get where you are coming from. However, OP is doing the right thing to be here and asking for help. We all know that Google is incredibly biased, and with it giving "AI" results, which are more often than not completely wrong answers to questions asked. It is better that they get the basics here. Try not to condemn people asking questions.

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DimensionalCucumba@reddit (OP)

Yeah I get his point but I’ve been googling and I want to hear from everyday people as well. Everyone so far has mainly been listing their experiences and that in of itself is valuable knowledge to consider.

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HerbDaLine@reddit

Treat Every Firearm as if it is Loaded: Even if you believe a firearm is unloaded, always treat it as if it could fire at any moment. This helps prevent accidental discharges.
Always Keep the Muzzle Pointed in a Safe Direction: Never point a firearm at anything you do not intend to shoot, and always ensure the muzzle is pointed in a direction where, if discharged, it would not cause harm or damage.
Keep Your Finger Off the Trigger Until Ready to Shoot: Keep your finger outside the trigger guard until you have made the decision to fire and your sights are aligned on the target. This prevents accidental discharges.
Always Be Sure of Your Target and What's Beyond It: Before firing, ensure you know exactly what you are shooting at and what is behind the target, as bullets can travel through targets and cause unintended harm. Secure Firearms and Ammunition Safely:

Most of this is copy and paste from a Google search, except this paragraph which I wrote based on other research.
The above rules apply to people handling firearms. A firearm that is loaded and pointed down range in a shooting Lane [normally a safe direction] but laying on the flat workspace [not in a hand or being manipulated] does not have the same rules. This is because the firearm is not being manipulated. It is just sitting there on a table. Properly functioning firearms in holsters or cases have this exception as well. As soon as the firearm is being handled the rules apply again.

Bonus Rule - Store firearms and ammunition securely, preferably in separate locations and inaccessible to children or unauthorized individuals.

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DimensionalCucumba@reddit (OP)

Much appreciated. I’ll drill those in my head.

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whasian_persuasion@reddit

Nexus and shoot straight? You must be in south fl. The p10s can come optic ready . Im personally swithing from glock to pdp .

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DimensionalCucumba@reddit (OP)

Yeah both Nexus and Shoot Straight reps were super helpful and informative. Went around the entire store last week trying out different ones.

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BlueOrb07@reddit

Welcome to shooting! Can I give you some advice? Respectfully, why shoot at 20 yards if you can’t shoot well at 20 yards? Bring the target to 2 yards. When you can put the shots within about an inch of eachother, then you can push it out another yard. Repeat until you can keep it all within a few inches at 25 yards or so. You want all your shots going into the heart and lungs area at whatever range you shoot. The eye-nose triangle works too, but it’s safer to go for center of mass (heart and lungs). With time, doing this will improve your skills and confidence. I started quite literally not being able to hit the target at 15 yards, now I can put them all in a couple inches at that range. I can also put them within a couple inches at 25 yards, but that’s only with a specific pistol I’ve got way more practice with. Takes time.

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DimensionalCucumba@reddit (OP)

Yeah I’ll look into starting closer then moving out. Me going to the range myself was a spur of the moment kind of thing. Practice is best.

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Ice_Cold_Camper@reddit

Respectfully, just putting bullets on range I’m not practice. Learn your gun, learn your trigger. You start shooting close then as your skill grows you go further back. Most self defense is inside of 7 yards. You’re shooting high right which means you’re anticipating recoil. On your anticipating the recoil is because you’re not feeling the trigger break. You have to pull the trigger slowly through the take up once, it hits the wall you want to feel the pull breaking through it so you’re not jerking. Even before that, though, just gripping your weapon and presenting it in front of you properly doing reps and reps of that is great beginner training.

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DimensionalCucumba@reddit (OP)

Yeah you’re right, when I started I was hitting high right expecting the recoil. As I got more used to it and the loud sounds I started hitting more center.

I’ve got a buddy who does comp shooting and he said he’d train me when I make my selection.

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DY1N9W4A3G@reddit

43X is designed for concealability and is harder to be accurate with than a 19. Definitely shoot one before buying one and don't buy one unless you're willing to put in some work with it. I went from 19 as primary carry to 43X, but only after a couple months of training with the 43X, whereas the 19 was easy first time I picked it up (had been shooting a 17 and 26 before that).

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Ice_Cold_Camper@reddit

Glock family right there.

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DY1N9W4A3G@reddit

I like guns that go bang when I want them to and that don't go bang when I don't want them to. So sue me.

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Ice_Cold_Camper@reddit

I mean, honestly all of my guns have been 100% reliable besides subs in a 300blk. God that gun has been work.

But if I could start my collection all over again. I would only buy Glock hand guns besides the 22’s. In AR 15 and 10’s I’d only buy DD, BCM, G$, and LWRCI’s. Leaver guns, bolt and pump I don’t shoot enough for me move away from the Remmington’s, Ruger’s and Mossberg’s. It would have saved me a ton of time and money

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DY1N9W4A3G@reddit

"I would only buy Glock hand guns besides the 22’s"

Agree. I own a couple S&W and a Taurus 22LR just because Glock doesn't offer something comparable that I like, but all other pistols are Glocks. For my purposes, I just could never come up with a good enough reason to risk the various drawbacks of most others over what I already know I can count on every single time. To me, all the fancy stuff is for collectors, etc. who are buying guns for reasons other than to stake their lives on them.

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PorkChop006@reddit

Legally?! I’d handle and shoot every reputable gun in your price range that meets your wants, i.e. optic ready, etc. whatever feels best go with that.

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DimensionalCucumba@reddit (OP)

Legally in a range. Thanks for the input

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FallofAMidwestGunGuy@reddit

Are you implying you were shooting on the street?

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DimensionalCucumba@reddit (OP)

Nooo not on the street.

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DimensionalCucumba@reddit (OP)

Forest at cans. But this was like 20 years ago

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Chewie090@reddit

That's legal as long as it's not over public roads or one the side of a freeway or something

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DimensionalCucumba@reddit (OP)

Oh then I was good at the time lol

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Livid_Sun_716@reddit

Accidently replied to you instead of OP lol damn avatars

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Livid_Sun_716@reddit

Some people live in less populated areas, where we can shoot outdoors away from civilization. I think he was just thrown off by your use of the word legally, suggesting that you may have fired a gun illegally before, such as on a street.

HK models are worth a look, VP9, VP9SK, or CC9 depending on if you're planning to conceal carry. Striker fired guns are easier for beginners, but hammer fired is really nice in my opinion

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patty_OFurniture306@reddit

I'd also recommend a couple lessons, just make sure the instructor is qualified and not necessarily some random range employee. The nra has certs and there are a bunch of other programs and other training places. Might give you some insight into what you want, chances to shoot a variety of things or even do more than just put holes in paper. I took a class that had a live fire shoot house which got into idpa. Wanting to do that might change what you look for in a handgun. If budget is a concern I'd try and learn as much as possible to buy one that is decent at all the things you want to do vs I bought this to plink, this for carry, this for competition..etc ..

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Livid_Sun_716@reddit

H&K is worth a look, VP9 comes in a full size, size similar to a G19, and has a smaller sub compact model. Or the CC9 if you're thinking about concealed carry with a micro compact. The VP9 full size will be better for competition or home defense, the other models better for carrying. Striker fired models are easier for beginners, but hammer fired is really nice imo. If you want to try hammer fired, the P30, P2000, and USP.

Handling and ideally shooting them first is a good idea, took me a lot of visits and four purchases before I found the P2000 to be perfect for me. Everybody's dream handgun is already out there, just have to wade through a few before you find the best match for you.

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Fearless_Tea2463@reddit

Ditto! Forgot about everything you hear actually shoot a bunch of different guns ( your friends or rentals). Chances are that the ones you shoot the best also feel the best in your hand when shooting.

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Suspicious-Income-69@reddit

Spend more time on a range that rents all those models and put a few boxes of ammo through each, and only then should try to make a determination. You're a decent shot for a beginner but you need to improve your skills a lot, so having a firearm that works for you and not against you while shooting is paramount.

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oh_three_dum_dum@reddit

All of these have been reviewed to death, and they’re all good options so I’ll just go into philosophy of use instead. For my preference I don’t really like subcompacts if I’m shooting to enjoy it, and if I’m not enjoying it I’m not shooting as much, meaning less dedicated time training.

Go rent all of them and see what feels best to shoot and what you naturally shoot better (if they’re different weapons). Let that guide your decision making.

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drewsaphor@reddit

I don't have many gun reviews. But here... https://youtube.com/@selfreliancearmament-dz3it?si=9pQTHoLaqi329xbG

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drewsaphor@reddit

Best gun reviews on the internet is Honest Outlaw.

https://youtube.com/@honestoutlawreviews?si=DQaJlLA0mLEUpDZW

I do reviews as well, but he is way better.

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DimensionalCucumba@reddit (OP)

Yes! I’ve watched a few of his videos. Drop the link for your reviews too. The more information the better.

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Stack_Silver@reddit

All good options. Try them all.

Targets for the high right and other aim issues: https://www.pewpewtactical.com/target-quick-fix-guide/

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Ice_Cold_Camper@reddit

Nice article

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DimensionalCucumba@reddit (OP)

Nice read. Thanks for that

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Stack_Silver@reddit

Welcome

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TheGunFather412@reddit

@DimensionaCucmba Hi what is the purpose of this firearm? You have sub compacts, compacts and full sizes on here. That’s a wide range sub compacts are going to be harder to shoot but easier to conceal. Do you want to be a collector or just 2 or 3 handguns. If you’re doing competitions, are you doing three gun because rifles will take up most of your money. Plus if you’re like me they are the most fun as well. If you care about SHTF it’s an easy answer because Glock parts are everywhere and easy to fix.

Glocks are not the most fun to shoot and have a shit trigger. They are the super reliable and since they have something for everything. You’ll be way more proficient if you’re only shooting two or three times a month. Since they all the same ergonomics.

I went down a rabbit hole and have some fun guns. Great triggers that Walther and Canik have amazing triggers. I wish I saved my money.

If I were to start all over with guns. I’d go Glock MOS for everything and stay there for handguns. You can get a 34 or 17 Long for Comp. 45 or 19x and 49 that essentially gives you a 19 and 17 plus the hybrids and a 43x for concealed. 26 for ankle if wanted. Glock 40 for 10 mm. The only thing I would still probably buy is a Ruger MK series or Taurus TX22 comp for 22’s they are way better then the Glock 44.

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Ice_Cold_Camper@reddit

This is the way!

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combatinfantryactual@reddit

If it's your first pistol buy a full size (glock19 is fine if it fits your hand). Easier to shoot and learn on. Once you get where you want to be you can go smaller.

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Ice_Cold_Camper@reddit

Your grip strength will get stronger as you practice. Also do some exercises like curls, pull ups, and push ups to get stronger. Also, they come with different size back straps so the gun you shot doesn’t have to be the backstrap you use you can use a smaller size.

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SlideOnThaOpps@reddit

Group sizes worse than Mike Glover’s choice in women

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texdroid@reddit

No need to shoot at 20 yds until you can group tight at 10.

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SlideOnThaOpps@reddit

What kind of copium logic is this? Bad habits are amplified at longer ranges.

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Ice_Cold_Camper@reddit

That’s true it’s definitely amplified. However you learn fundamentals close. He’s anticipating recoil. High right, a little scared to shoot. Also I would bet not pulling to the take up slowly to feel the break. That should be taught at about 5 yards

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texdroid@reddit

It's pointless to shoot at 20 yards until you can stack 'em at 10.

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ottermupps@reddit

PDP, P10C, or Beretta out of that lineup.

The Hellcat is not a bad gun but 1, the Bass Pro guys probably have a sales incentive, and 2, you can get a better gun for less that you won't need to swap the optic on (I would check what it has but I'd expect a low quality dot like a Cylee or Crimson Trace)

43x - again, a very good gun, but IMO it's limited by ten round mags and I find mine rather snappy. Would be a great choice for a CCW.

Canik - good guns but iirc they have a drop safety issue (can fire by being dropped on the back of the slide). I would avoid it for your first gun.

When making your choice, you should consider not just the price of the gun but also magazines (you should have 6-12 standard capacity and a couple larger), the optic you want (Primary Arms, Aimpoint, Holosun, and Trijicon are the only pistol optic makers worth considering), a light if you want, and a holster. Not all at once, obviously, you only need the gun, a mag, and a box of ammo to start - but eventually you'll want all of that.

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Ice_Cold_Camper@reddit

I need you to post the Canik drop safe issues. That was debunked. Funny some guy on YouTube always talking shit on guns. Has been trying to burn down at 320 he just gave up at 4000 flawless rounds. I’ve watched videos of people trying to re-create 320s going off never saw it. No one I know with a 320 has ever had to go off. Anyway I guess stay on the hype train. Also buy a Glock 19 your hands will get use to it

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rab127@reddit

Go to a shop and handle more. Try the aig 365. Also try the ruger lcp or lcp max. Something small like an lcp is better than something you won't carry.

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drewsaphor@reddit

Don't give him bad advice. The Ruger LCP sucks. If you push to a 380, go with the Smith and Wesson Bodyguard 2.0

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rab127@reddit

They both have their positive and negative aspects. Do they suck to shoot after 100 rounds, yes. Is something like a small 380 on you better than something you left at home, yes. Everyone shits on the small 380s but it's something I can daily carry or carry as a backup. After 2000 rounds through my lcp, I can hit a half dollar at 50 feet

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drewsaphor@reddit

I had a lcp max, didn't even shoot 50 rounds. Killed my hands. My wife hated it. The Bodyguard 2.0 doesn't hurt at all to shoot and isn't snappy like the lcp and it is super small. I carry 2 guns on my sometimes. My Smith Shield plus and my Bodyguard 2.0. Not the old Bodyguard, the new Bodyguard 2.0. The old Bodyguard was bad.

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N7-Rook@reddit

I can tell you the Walther PDP will be 100% regret free and that gun will take good care of you. CCW, HD, or competition. Walther customer service is also incredible.

Although my brother has a P10c and of all the guns you mentioned, I'd say the P10 is the only one I would say comes close to the PDP. Though I have yet to take a spin behind a Hellcat.

Thousands of rounds down range on both my Walthers. One hiccup on the PPQ from my limp wristing buddy the first time I took him shooting. PDP does beautifully with irons and dot both. I've also ran about 500 rounds with a can on my PDP. Still not one malfunction on it.

Thank you for listening to me jerk off Walther lol. That is my .02.

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kevintheredneck@reddit

The hellcat is what the name implies. That weapon is the snappiest pistol I’ve ever used. It’s like shooting a derringer or something. My carry piece is a ruger max-9, pretty snappy but nothing like the hellcat.

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drewsaphor@reddit

You would love the Smith Bodyguard 2.0.

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Icy_Department1872@reddit

Why is your only option for a store bass pro. Shits way cheaper if you shop around online and look for a dealer from a state that doesn't charge tax to yours

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drewsaphor@reddit

Get a used Smith and Wesson M&P9. They are optic ready in new for $630.

Don't get a Canik. They have QAQC issues.

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ReverendReed@reddit

If you like the Glock 19, but have a smaller budget, it could also be worth considering the Ruger RXM.

It's a Glock 19 clone, made by a longstanding company. Takes Glock mags, Glock parts, and can be had for around $350. It's a great deal.

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357noLove@reddit

I have tens of thousands of rounds through my Canik (only replaced springs), and it is my absolute favorite. For the price, the trigger is best out of any stock trigger.

That being said, I teach classes and have used/ owned every gun on this list. It is best to get behind each firearm you are considering and see how they feel. Anything else is subjective. They are all reliable and will serve you well.

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IHeartSm3gma@reddit

Ew field craft survival

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kevintheredneck@reddit

I have the TP9, if you have issues with the grip size, this one isn’t for you. Look for the Mete series from canik, the grip is a little thinner.

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Stellakinetic@reddit

It really depends on your specific use-case. I’d tend to lean towards CZ but they really make specific guns for specific things. That being said, for a more well rounded gun, I’d go PDP all day

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TheGunFather412@reddit

CZ are great second choice after Glock if I was to start again. Then actually Canik over sig then Walther. But I wouldn’t buy a bunch of different brands again.

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fnscarcasm@reddit

Wait, holdup…. You’ve shot guns illegally before??

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DimensionalCucumba@reddit (OP)

Does shooting anywhere but a range count as illegal?

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fnscarcasm@reddit

Not necessarily because there’s legal places you can shoot other than ranges like people property, dessert, mountains, BFE etc I’m not gonna list them all

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Stanl13@reddit

Smaller or sub compact guns tend to kick or bite more. For women I recommend Smith & Wesson 9 mm EZ. I like the Sig Sauer TacOps P365 9mm. I used to carry a full size .40 cal Barretta but they get heavy after a few hours. I would recommend definitely something in a 9mm because it’s easier to hit your target, what good is a more powerful round if you are not as accurate with it? It should feel comfortable in your hand and like the others said to try and test fire as many loaners or rentals as you can. P.S. Glock is always a good choice…

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No_Mathematician764@reddit

if you're not set on 9mm. rock island armory has a 1911 45 out right now for under $300.00 well worth the money If you're set on a 9mm and comfortable with a glock stay with it. don't be afraid to ask for trade ins, some people by glocks an decide it's not for them. A 17, or 19 goes for about 400 or less most will not have a 100 rounds thru them. ask around, the money you save can by extra mags ammo and training. welcome to your new sport.

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Tjoerum_@reddit

can’t go wrong with the 43x mos, i have one and it’s great, any biggish range will have one you can rent and test fire so you can see how you like compacts.

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Ornery_Secretary_850@reddit

Springfield XD9 Mod3 can be found for under $300 and is optics ready.

The Ruger RXM would be another choice.

Also, you're looking at subcompact to full size guns. If it's nothing but a range toy/home defense gun then a full size is the way to go.

Larger guns shoot softer.

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BDD0091@reddit

Out of your options list I’d go with the pdp, if you want a Glock 19 but it’s too pricy go with a police trade in model. You will appreciate the tons of cheaper aftermarket parts/accessories if you plan to get into competitions. Range only Glock mags are cheaper than most of the mags for your listed guns.

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rucklife22@reddit

Check out the Smith and Wesson M&P models. They’re extremely reliable and you get a lot of bang for your buck.

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ambiocc@reddit

Probably won't be the last gun you buy. Get one, then go get some proper training and you'll figure out what you like and don't like

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DimensionalCucumba@reddit (OP)

clarification: is shooting anywhere but a range illegal? Like in the woods at cans?

I’ve mostly stayed away from firearms my life, been around them just never owned one.

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AdjacentAce@reddit

My advice is go to competitions to get better not when you get better. USPSA level 1 matches are the most accessible and easiest thing to get into. I didn’t START getting better until I went to my first competition. It sets you in line! If you have any questions feel free to ask any of our writers/trainers directly via our community chat - RangeRival Discord

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Former_Revenue_7919@reddit

It all depends on what you really want out of it. G43x is a great conceal carry pistol but if you want to go with a good do it all pistol but didn’t like the g19, the the walther pdp. Looks good, feels good, and shoots good. Other good option would be the s&s m&p 2.0 for a do it all

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DarthMonkey212313@reddit

I don't care for the baretta, but you have no bad choices listed. I'd personally get the Walther PDP.

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Pafolo@reddit

I got my CZ P10C optics ready with RMR co witness night sights and three magazines for $375 in my hands after $50 rebate

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DimensionalCucumba@reddit (OP)

Where at?

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Big_Daddy_Haus@reddit

I have 2 Caniks and the trigger pull makes them very accurate... Prefer them to S&W and Glock...

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whoisdizzle@reddit

Get an M&P 2.0 and call it a day. I have three of the M&P line I love them. I do have CZs I also love those as well. Probably grabbing a CZ P09 F soon. I’m not a fan of the Hellcat, I’ve had walthers not a fan. I hate Glock but that’s my issue people love them. Canik is solid but I don’t trust my lift to it. Berettas are decent as well. I think you need a better list of what you want. If optics ready is a must, full size vs compact etc. you can’t go wrong with a Glock 17 or an M&P for a full size IMO

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WaningWick@reddit

Beretta APX A1 Compact Tactical. They got a rebate on right now. Biggest reason for this gun is, very soft shooting. Specially since you can get a cheap compensator for it. The othe options mentioned you"d be paying quite a bit more for a threaded barrel. Better to have and not need.

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SnakeR515@reddit

P10c OR is optics ready and will handle like a regular p10c

If you liked it I suggest trying out p09 / p07 / p09f / p90c, the first 2 I mentioned are older variants that aren't optics ready out of the box but will handle mostly the same like the newer nocturne variants(p09c and p09f) that were optics ready

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TheOriginalMulk@reddit

Check botach . com

Just picked up two Smith and Wesson MP's, one for $329 and one for $289, a 40 cal & 9mm, respectively.

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Drunken_Hamster@reddit

Whatever you do, buy something with existing holster support or guaranteed soon-to-come holster support. I have a Taurus TH9 and messaged 3 different companies that have solutions I need for EDC and got told that they don't AND they're aren't gonna make a holster for my platform.

The cunts.

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HarrowDread@reddit

Walther every time, also shop local gun shops if there are any

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haikusbot@reddit

Walther every time,

Also shop local gun shops

If there are any

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A4leggedwhore@reddit

Try an HK VP9, it’s a bit more but damn if the vp9 and p30 aren’t some of the best feeling handguns IMO and they offer optic ready even though you shouldn’t put optics on until you are more than comfortable with the factory sights.

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Sheepdog_Millionaire@reddit

The most important thing you can do is to get a handgun you like. If a firearm "speaks" to you, that is the one you should get, even if it's not giving you the most "firepower" on paper.

I speak this as someone who has bought and sold many, many guns. It's supposed to be something enjoyable, like you just look at your handgun sitting on the table and think, "Heck yeah! That thing is cool!"

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pR0bL3m-@reddit

P365X is great. HK CC9, Mossberg M2C and M2SC, all within your 600 mark. Also you can find them at a decent price in GunBroker.Com

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firearmresearch00@reddit

The p10c and apx-1 are both really nice and kinda underrated imo. You may also like a p09 if you can find one to rent. The older ones are really cheap for how nice they are. Personally I wouldn't get too beat up about optics capability. I'd recommend getting good with irons first and at that point make the judgment if they are even worth getting for your own purposes. Chances are a decent optic is almost the same price as the guns you're looking at. Another thing to consider is buying a decent used gun. I've found quite a few that were barely used but still 15-50% cheaper

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Calidagunguy19@reddit

As a huge beretta fan Apx-a1 is cool but get the tactical version. I like my hellcat, but also can’t go wrong with a canik

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SeemedGood@reddit

Walther PDP, or even better H&K VP9.

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FlavMink@reddit

I wanted the PDP as my first gun, but it's not of the roster here in california, so i got a glock19. I'm getting that when I get out of this godforsaken state.

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surelynotjimcarey@reddit

I love my G43X. Personally I’d avoid canik, I don’t believe they have enough of a track record yet. If anything they have a bad track record.

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ilikepie145@reddit

PDP

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DifficultCountry405@reddit

Why hello welcome to the community

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dragon_sack@reddit

Get the cz p10c and get the slide cut by wager machine for an extra $130. It's 2025 and the glock mos system is still the worst plate system in handguns.

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ReasonablyRedacted@reddit

Not a single shot to the nuts? Smh, missed opportunity.

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tweakeravacoado@reddit

Glock 18x with a dot and light bam. Reliable, accurate, and easy to break down and clean.

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AldoSig228@reddit

Look at S&W M&P 2.0 with a 4 inch barrel. You love it. Also, check out the Springfield Echelon pistols. 2 of the best choices out there. They have a much better grip feeling and pointing experience as compared to the Glock.

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hpsctchbananahmck@reddit

My very best tip is to get your hands on all of them you consider

(I’m not a big fan of Sig’s recent gaslighting, but you should also consider their 365 options)

Handle as many as you can and SHOOT as many as you can (find a range with a decent amount of rentals).

Whichever feels right to you will probably be your best choice as most of these are apt to be reliable if you treat them well.

Regarding accuracy with the included image; once you do make your choice I would encourage you to practice dry firing drills until you’re able to keep your sights in the middle of your target through your trigger pull.

You get better the same way you get to Carnegie Hall… Practice.

Godspeed

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prudent-nebula3361@reddit

Canik. TP9SFX was my first pistol. It still outshoots all my others. It's super accurate, and the factory trigger is amazing.

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StrictLength5inchfun@reddit

Check out Springfield echelon - just a tad over 600. Glock 17-usually around 550.

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brian1570@reddit

M&p 2.0 and or shield plus gets my vote. Just recently started making the switch away from Glock. Have a shield plus and m&p subcompact. Love them both and the m&p line is pretty well known for its rugged durability.

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nmexmo@reddit

I own most those guns. If i were you I’d go Canik (new mc9 prime looks sweet) or cz p10c. They both have optic ready versions. Very reliable. Great triggers make for better accuracy

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A_Queer_Owl@reddit

optics ready P-10Cs are fairly readily available if you shop around.

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Apart-Garage-4214@reddit

Buy a Shotgun.

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The_Darth_Brandybuck@reddit

I'd check out the sig 365 line, lots of grip and barrel length options as well as optics ready. Excellent hand feel imo.

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RaccoonRanger474@reddit

From your options, that Walther PDP has my vote. I love mine, though the past couple of years it has been dethroned by my revolvers.

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BigoleDog8706@reddit

glock, CZ, walther, and dump the hellcat for the sig p365.

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StressfulRiceball@reddit

P365XL >>> Hellcat

Pretty much objectively

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Infanttree@reddit

Setting glock to stun captain.

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Darksept@reddit

Out of the options listed, I'd lean towards the CZ and maybe the Canik.

(I've only held and not shot all the options so take that with a grain of salt. But I'm pretty familiar with the pistol zeitgeist and CZ's have a great reputation)

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spooookt@reddit

You ought to go to the gun store and give the person behind the counter an idea of what you’re looking for. They’ll gladly let you get a nice feel of their guns and let you figure out what feels best in your hands. A comfy trigger and grip is big if you’re gonna shoot comps being you’ll be shooting a lot. Everybody’s hands and brains are different so what we like might not be what you like. Get what feels good to you. For a first time shooter you made a nice group. Most of them within the silhouette. Whatever you decide to go with just remember range time and good form is key to a better shot. I prefer heavy full sized pistols a long sight radius feels more accurate and true to me and more weight makes recoil almost non existent and helps my follow up shots stay tight.

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AM-64@reddit

I'd look at an HK VP9 if it were me.

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SplashingChicken@reddit

Take your time, don't be in a rush. You're still new to firearms and there's a lot to learn with a ton of options for striker fired pistols out there. It really just comes down to the application that you want your handgun to serve. Is it just for the range, home defense, or concealed carry? If you want just one, you need to ask yourself these questions and consider your options unless you plan on buying multiple guns.

Personally, I would just rent a few more to see what you like. Most gun stores won't protest to you handling their products to guage them either, they just won't let you fire them, of course.

Ultimately, being new and all, I wouldn't consider spending too much which you will with optics. Maybe just get something cheap, but robust along with a good amount of ammo to plink with. I vouch heavily for the S&W Shield line. They come pretty cheap with tons of options. It was my first handgun and I still use it just because of how good of a platform it is.

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DimensionalCucumba@reddit (OP)

Thanks for that. I don’t think at the moment I would edc. More like range time and if I go out of state camping or on a trip, I’d keep it in the glove box. I will definitely handle all the guns again before I purchase one.

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RandoAtReddit@reddit

If your state issues handgun permits, check with handgunlaw.us to see if your state's handgun permit is recognized in the state you're visiting. Chucking it in the glove box can land you in some legal trouble depending on what state you're camping in.

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readitt20@reddit

Like someone said I'd try the guns that they have to see what one you like. DM if you want to talk more or have questions.

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jim2527@reddit

If the PDP felt good then get the PDP.

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Gun_Dork@reddit

The P10 C is a well made gun. It will run for thousands of rounds. You can have it cut for an optic and still be well within your budget.

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retardsmart@reddit

Look into how Springfield developed the Hellcat and other XDM pistols. Now try to figure out why they charge what they do?

$200 in Croatia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HS_Produkt

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Gun_Dork@reddit

That development was pretty rigorous on their guns. HS Produkt makes good stuff. Springfield just makes a ton of money on their imports.

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P4yTheTrollToll@reddit

The G48 MOS is definitely the way to go over the 43x. I have some of the more popular carry guns and always go back to carrying my G48. If you don't like the G19 grip-wise, you'll love the slimline series.

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MGB1013@reddit

If you’re thinking about competitions, go with the canik rival or mete sfx or sft.

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jwsk1029@reddit

Honestly, every person's hand fits different so the best choice is whatever feels the best for you when you hold it.

I will say though, I think how the trigger feels is pretty important, even more so if you're going to be competing. I am not a fan of Glock triggers. I do like CZs - may I suggest trying the CZ-75? You can probably find one for 600-700.

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Ok_Display7459@reddit

I’d recommend a Glock 48 MOS. It’s the same overall footprint as a G19 but it’s thinner, so you’ll likely have a better grip with it if the G19 is too large. Also it could become a great contender for carry if you chose to do so. Furthermore, I’d also recommend a Ruger MK-IV. They’re inexpensive to operate, super accurate, and you can upgrade and customize literally every part to your choosing. I just got mine a few weeks ago and it’s easily in my top 3 favorite pistols I own.

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iBoofWholeZipsNoLube@reddit

Walther or caniks will have the best grip