All governments threaten violence, thats all a state is (a monopoly of violence). And it steals from all people (under its preferred state) to give to all other people. The other people are also getting robbed under this premise. Everyone is.
Yeah that's why I want the complete abolition of government let the markets finally be free but socialism further pushes the envelope of taking more and more money
markets dont exist without stable sources of violence. Absent a state - unless all states have been abolished - all powerful states will take the stateless.
Markets can be held through private security firms and the right to ones own defense as well as voluntary militas from neighborhoods and anyone that wants to format them
Did you even read the quote? Integrity would demand that you would point out any phallacy therein instead of just blindly challenging OP's premise which the quote supports. That's how discussion works. You do have an interest in discussion and proving the superiority of your viewpoint, right?
yes i read it and no i dont have an interent in proving the superiority of my viewpoint.
I merely want to understand
1) why socialism is the only government associated with taxation
2)why prison is the thing associated with things the reader "we" want instead of pulling in things like national defense which also pull in taxes
3) why "You" is even stressed given that really its government sponsored corporations who get the vast majority of our tax dollars not anything we want, much of which i think we would be able to get more of if we didnt pay taxes
4) why the writer is pretending that the things "they" want are also not being paid for by the "we" lending itself to hypocrisy if known, paradox if unknown, merely by existing in a state where tax dollars are distributed to public good
5) where evil, an act calculated to harm as a first priority, enters into socialism as a whole
Thanks for the critical thinking in your responses!
“Monopoly of violence” is a buzzy phrase in these parts. So the state is The State because it has a monopoly of violence…
I have questions on that.
What makes it a monopoly, and not something else?
What would be the going rate, or fair market value, for the services provided by this “monopoly of violence” if broken apart? Would someone like Elon Musk be able to buy those services? Has he already? Have other quasi private/public players more or less transacted these services? Is that a true monopoly, or are these services just quite expensive? Perhaps the state, NEVER, had the “monopoly of violence” to begin with and it is illusory.
Even with the obvious atrocities and surveillance, it’s not hard to imagine a calculation where one could derive that the governed citizens of America are actually getting a discount on these services. As you explained, economic growth heavily relies on a certain sort of violence to do its bidding or to protect it. To establish trust and continuity for the legal system and currency. Without it, market speculation is more or less impossible and the gears of investment grind to a halt.
Okay, so is it even a monopoly then? And sans The State, I’m confused as to why a “monopoly of violence” would not still either exist or be a constant threat.
These answers evade me on a philosophical level. “Monopoly of violence” feels like a marketing or advertising phrase intentionally crafted to make people repel the idea of The State. Which, okay, fine… but… weak.
correct, which is why i really loath the whole "Ideal socialism.. " argument . because under even IDEAL circumstances, you're still enslaved to the state. . even with ZERO corruption, it is my labor .. time.. and Life, and Mind, that is being stolen. . working harder, being smarter, doesn't pay off. socialism murders the spirit of life
taysbeans@reddit
Someone is on a roll today.
ProperTrain6336@reddit
What the #*##. This country moving quickly to authoritarian dictatorship violating civil liberties everywhere
And you’re posting about socialism ?
That “worry “ ship has sailed
Stop .posting this already Address the current situation!
kwell42@reddit
What?!?!
Hot_Egg5840@reddit
Multiple issues can be addressed at the same time.
ningyna@reddit
One can be used to distract from the other when the point is fruitless debate on the matter at hand.
Fibonabdii358@reddit
You, the believer of Austrian sch
Weary_Anybody3643@reddit
Because it relys on government threats of violence to steal from people to give to different people it's highway robbers wrapped in a red coat
Fibonabdii358@reddit
All governments threaten violence, thats all a state is (a monopoly of violence). And it steals from all people (under its preferred state) to give to all other people. The other people are also getting robbed under this premise. Everyone is.
Weary_Anybody3643@reddit
Yeah that's why I want the complete abolition of government let the markets finally be free but socialism further pushes the envelope of taking more and more money
abr0414@reddit
The market wouldn’t be free for very long in that case
Weary_Anybody3643@reddit
Freeier then it is now with tarraifs government taxation and the red tape they put to keep monopolies into practice
abr0414@reddit
I repeat, not for long.
Fibonabdii358@reddit
markets dont exist without stable sources of violence. Absent a state - unless all states have been abolished - all powerful states will take the stateless.
Weary_Anybody3643@reddit
Markets can be held through private security firms and the right to ones own defense as well as voluntary militas from neighborhoods and anyone that wants to format them
Fibonabdii358@reddit
so a war tribe government made of ostensibly more directly violent people who we trust to not rob us directly while deriving even less benefits.
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WindBehindTheStars@reddit
Did you even read the quote? Integrity would demand that you would point out any phallacy therein instead of just blindly challenging OP's premise which the quote supports. That's how discussion works. You do have an interest in discussion and proving the superiority of your viewpoint, right?
Fibonabdii358@reddit
yes i read it and no i dont have an interent in proving the superiority of my viewpoint.
I merely want to understand
1) why socialism is the only government associated with taxation 2)why prison is the thing associated with things the reader "we" want instead of pulling in things like national defense which also pull in taxes 3) why "You" is even stressed given that really its government sponsored corporations who get the vast majority of our tax dollars not anything we want, much of which i think we would be able to get more of if we didnt pay taxes 4) why the writer is pretending that the things "they" want are also not being paid for by the "we" lending itself to hypocrisy if known, paradox if unknown, merely by existing in a state where tax dollars are distributed to public good 5) where evil, an act calculated to harm as a first priority, enters into socialism as a whole
AmericanaCrux@reddit
Thanks for the critical thinking in your responses!
“Monopoly of violence” is a buzzy phrase in these parts. So the state is The State because it has a monopoly of violence…
I have questions on that.
What makes it a monopoly, and not something else?
What would be the going rate, or fair market value, for the services provided by this “monopoly of violence” if broken apart? Would someone like Elon Musk be able to buy those services? Has he already? Have other quasi private/public players more or less transacted these services? Is that a true monopoly, or are these services just quite expensive? Perhaps the state, NEVER, had the “monopoly of violence” to begin with and it is illusory.
Even with the obvious atrocities and surveillance, it’s not hard to imagine a calculation where one could derive that the governed citizens of America are actually getting a discount on these services. As you explained, economic growth heavily relies on a certain sort of violence to do its bidding or to protect it. To establish trust and continuity for the legal system and currency. Without it, market speculation is more or less impossible and the gears of investment grind to a halt.
Okay, so is it even a monopoly then? And sans The State, I’m confused as to why a “monopoly of violence” would not still either exist or be a constant threat.
These answers evade me on a philosophical level. “Monopoly of violence” feels like a marketing or advertising phrase intentionally crafted to make people repel the idea of The State. Which, okay, fine… but… weak.
shabamsauce@reddit
It requires violence or the threat of violence to function on a large scale.
However I do concur with the implied sentiment that this is a stupid ass meme.
abr0414@reddit
Wrong battle homie
PunkCPA@reddit
Socialism: You keeping your stuff is greedy and oppressive. Me taking your stuff is generous and loving.
MxM111@reddit
Funny thing, as far as I know, people in USSR did not pay taxes.
Aniso3d@reddit
correct, which is why i really loath the whole "Ideal socialism.. " argument . because under even IDEAL circumstances, you're still enslaved to the state. . even with ZERO corruption, it is my labor .. time.. and Life, and Mind, that is being stolen. . working harder, being smarter, doesn't pay off. socialism murders the spirit of life
RedactedEvil476@reddit
Socialism is evil and also just doesn’t work in the real World.
thisisstupidplz@reddit
I'm tired of all of this socialism I have to pay for like...
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