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djg88x@reddit

Alfa Romeo 4C is 1000/10 in looks but they drive like fucking trash if you try to push them anywhere close to a limit

Volvo C30 Polestar is another car that is an absolute stunner but ultimately a parts bin mashup of understeery, uncommunicative sadness

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Bright_Crazy1015@reddit

8c the pinnacle of good looks bad car.

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djg88x@reddit

I've never driven an 8C so I can't comment on that, but my experience driving the 4C on a tight canyon road in Malibu was one of tramlining and terminal understeer.

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Porshuh@reddit

Don’t floor a mid engine car on the way out of a corner then.

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outside of the 4C I've driven a multitude of mid-engine cars — 2 Elises, 3 MR2s, an Evora, and 4 Boxster/Caymans (including the 981S that I own) — and none of them have behaved as badly as the 4C. Literally all it does is plow and refuse to rotate if you try to push it even a little bit.

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Porshuh@reddit

Skill issue, the one I drove was happy to yaw on light throttle. It liked a little bit of trail braking on the way into a corner.

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djg88x@reddit

it's almost as if these were all inconsistently set up by Alfa, because i'm not the only one who's ever criticized it for massive understeer, and you're not the only one to praise its handling

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Porshuh@reddit

That's hardly a cause to slander a car as "fucking trash" if that's what you think. But I think they drive well, so your motivations aren't my business.

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Bright_Crazy1015@reddit

That sucks to hear about the Polestar btw. I wanted those to be great honest cars that dyno at the wheel for their claimed performance numbers and a decent geometry to work on a skidpad.

Sounds more like the 90's Taurus SHO's than a Euro tuner. The SHO will do 140mph, and even stop from there, but won't do it twice in a row.

Understeer city, mushy when you do get the nose pointed in the right direction, and that's assuming you understand how to transfer the weight to the front wheels to turn in with the brakes.

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djg88x@reddit

Engine is an absolute banger, but the gearbox feels like rowing a spoon through cake batter, clutch feels like stepping on a dog turd in the middle of the night, a Miata upside down on its roof would have more steering feel, and just like the 4C it's set up for terminal understeer.

All of those characteristics could all be ignored in a normal economy car, but given the nature of it having been marketed as a hot hatch, it left such a real sour taste in my mouth when it didn't perform like one.

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VariousClaim3610@reddit

All Alfa’s really - I love the looks and the heritage but who can deal with the reliability issues

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djg88x@reddit

Nah, 2019 and newer Giulias have been great. Turbo motors require a little more fastidious maintenance, and they are more labor-intensive, but they don't really go wrong unless you let them sit for long periods of time.

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silbergeistlein@reddit

I attempted to recommend the Giulia to my sister in law until I saw the freight train of recalls that were associated with it. She got an M4 CS instead. I’m meh, but she’s happy.

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djg88x@reddit

there's a reason i specified 2019 and newer. early models had a lot of teething issues and those were the ones the magazines had go into limp mode on the highway and everything with. they were fixed by 2019 and have been fine since. but Giulia QVs are expensive to maintain. They need an accessory drive belt every \~40k miles and that's a $3k job (maybe more, depending on where you live) with the entire front end of the car coming off in order to get to it. They did not package these things for serviceability.

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silbergeistlein@reddit

Not only did they not package them for serviceability, they packaged a performance sedan that seems to be a bother instead of a joy. My separate comment from this one, they’re absolutely gorgeous cars, in my opinion (and your opinion as well I suspect), but I’d never want to own one.

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djg88x@reddit

I took the money that could've bought a Giulia QV and spent it on a 2.0T Giulia and a 2015 Boxster S instead

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silbergeistlein@reddit

I think the Boxster S was a good decision. Ha. Just joshing. Have a good evening sir/ma’am.

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SailingSpark@reddit

That is part of the mystique of driving any Italian car.

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OutlandishnessOk5549@reddit

Plymouth prowler.

Those things NEEDED a V8

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bearded_dragon_34@reddit

It was a case of right car, wrong time. The fact of the matter was that it would’ve made much more of a statement with a V8, but Chrysler didn’t have a suitable one at the time. The contemporary LA-series V8 was heavy and didn’t make much power, and we were years off from the modern HEMI’s debut.

Obviously other engines physically fit, and plenty of people have done it, but without regard to silly production-car concerns like safety, production procedures, or serviceability.

The V6 that went into car was the best option at the time, within Chrysler. But if it had come five or six years later and been given the HEMI, it would be so much more beloved. Or, hell, if it had been just a bit later and Chrysler had been able to take advantage of Daimler-Benz, as it did with the subsequent Crossfire, by using a Mercedes-Benz V8.

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OutlandishnessOk5549@reddit

Agree, the M113 would have made it a cracker

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D_Angelo_Vickers@reddit

V10*

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Thick_Cookie_7838@reddit

Know someone who had one. Was a head turner of looks but damn was it slow

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CognitiveRedaction@reddit

Fisker Karma was gorgeous...but that drivetrain is trash. A dream project to me would be to get one, make it a 2 door, and have a twin turbo 6 or 8 in it. Black the car out and it looks like something a supervillain would drive.

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pm-me-racecars@reddit

I saw one irl once, and at first I thought it was a Corvette that someone custom made into a 4-door

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bearded_dragon_34@reddit

Bob Lutz and Gilbert Villarreal started a company called VF Automotive, later VFL Automotive, to do this. Their first car, the VFL Destino, would pair the Fisker Karma’s slinky body with a GM 6.2-liter…so arguably a four-door Corvette.

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pm-me-racecars@reddit

I just looked them up and hfs am I hard right now.

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bearded_dragon_34@reddit

The Karma had the dubious honor of having a full-size footprint, but being classified as a subcompact by the EPA due to a lack of interior volume. It was certainly a case of form over function.

Remember, too, that it debuted around the same time as the Tesla Model S. Especially as Henrik Fisker was an industry veteran with many successful designs to his credit, Tesla and the Model S were thought to be the underdogs in that comparison. And we see how that turned out.

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TX_Sized10-4@reddit

I adore the way the Lexus CT200h looks and it's not trash in the sense that it's a bad car, but it looks like a hot hatch and is actually just a reskinned and rebadged Prius.

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bearded_dragon_34@reddit

Yep. One with even the 2.5-liter I4 out of the contemporary Camry and Scion tC would have been a real hoot.

Somehow, the CT 200h felt even slower than the third-gen Prius with which it shared so much.

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Calm-Championship472@reddit

Chevy Cobalt, 03-08? Malibu

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Repyourstruly@reddit

Yes my Malibu is newer but it just seems like a rushed job but man it’s pretty and sleek. Wish the performance was there though

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Calm-Championship472@reddit

Well they had the Malibu SS with the 3.9 V6

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bearded_dragon_34@reddit

They also had the Malibu Maxx, which—while stylistically confused—was a pretty cool concept. It also had a longer wheelbase and floor pan than the sedan (shared with the Pontiac G6 and eventually adopted by the 2008 Malibu and related Saturn Aura).

And there was a Malibu Maxx SS, too.

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Repyourstruly@reddit

Nah those were an eyesore. My cousin had one and she stayed in the shop despite routine maintenance

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Calm-Championship472@reddit

but better than a Cobalt

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Repyourstruly@reddit

Oh without a doubt! 😂😂

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Auri_Com@reddit

It's not exactly trash but the maintenance is crazy... Mazda RX-8!

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bearded_dragon_34@reddit

The RX-8 is my vote, too. It’s only really good once its signature feature—the rotary—has been removed and replaced with an LS V8 or something.

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Ravaganza@reddit

Land Rover Discovery Series II

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bearded_dragon_34@reddit

Spacious, amazing styling, unique seating position and experience, incredibly capable. A charming trucklet.

And a complete piece of junk, sadly. With, these days, questionable safety. The fact of the matter is that the Discovery 3/LR3 was a huge improvement, and the Discovery 4/LR4 built upon that.

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Grouchy-Chemical9155@reddit

I’m gonna get hate for this but I have to do it. Mustangs.

I had a ‘66 GT and I spent more money fixing it than it cost to buy it. By a LOT. Even when it was running, it didn’t handle well and it wasn’t all that fast. It sounded great and looked the business as long as you didn’t look too close, but it didn’t live up to the hype. The worst part? I still miss that damned thing.

Fast forward to 1996 and I thought, surely they’ve been improved, right? So I bought a ‘96 GT convertible. Looked good, sounded decent, but it was a disappointment. A disappointment that needed major work just after 50k. I noped out of that and into a Toyota.

I hear the S550s are properly good cars that actually go, handle and stop. But twice bitten means I admire them from a distance.

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BotherPuzzleheaded50@reddit

I dont know if they qualify as trash, but I always liked the infiniti FX35, styling wise.

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bearded_dragon_34@reddit

The FX was great. It was also an actual SUV built out of a sports-car platform. Even Porsche, at the time, didn’t do anything like that (the contemporary Cayenne split the difference, with Range Rover levels of offroadability coupled with road-going performance).

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EvitaPuppy@reddit

Maserati Biturbo. Almost bought a great looking 2 door. As we were driving up to the bank to get the cash, I realized it was a total pos.

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bearded_dragon_34@reddit

I saw one running, once.

Turned out it had been converted to an EV after the engine grenades itself.

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SailingSpark@reddit

the V6 in those is terrible. You do not want to have to adjust the valves on them.

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mission-ctrl@reddit

Jaguar XK series. Most high British cars for that matter.

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I had a 94 Ford Probe and it was a fantastic car. One of the best I’ve ever owned. To this day I buy almost exclusively Mazdas because of my good experience with that Probe.

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Ashton-MD@reddit

Gotta disagree with you dude. But to be clear, I am biased because I’m a Jag owner.

Proper Jags get an unfairly bad rap. Anything with their big sixes, eights or twelves are bloody good cars full stop. If you’re looking for a powerful luxury GT, in the 400+ horsepower range, the modern XKs are about as safe and easy as it gets — and if you don’t believe me, it’s competitors include: Aston Martin, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Ferrari, Maserati, and Porsche. Amongst such company, the Jag comes pretty good both in terms of running costs and reliability.

I also ran a Jag against a comparably specified Mercedes V8 for a couple years. The Jag was less troublesome, and cost less to maintain. I’m not going to suggest that they are bullet proof like a ‘98 Corolla, but to be fair, the new Corolla isn’t as bullet proof as the ‘98 Corolla.

The issues you’re likely referring to come either as part of “old caritis” or worse, “British Leyland”. Any Jag made from the BL era really does deserve the criticism because of how badly they were built. Brilliant designs ruined by bad management.

Pre-BL, aka the Llyons era, they were daring, innovative and roguish. Post BL era they were much better. Ford, for better or worse, helped out a lot too. Tata started off with good things, but they’ve really just killed the brand over the last few years.

For high end luxury cars, Jags have both a dedicated and quite substantial fan base too. There are many owners who do quite substantial builds to their Jags — most commonly, swapping out the slushboxes with OEM or close to OEM manuals. Take a moment to consider that — a V12 XJS, swapped from the anemic 3-speed GM lump box to a 5 speed. Or better yet….a supercharged V8 mated to the 5-speed. Bloody awesome stuff there. I think DriveTribe did one

But if you want to hate on the four pot Ingenium series, I quite agree. Aaaaaand the new direction Jag has gone…yeaaaah don’t know what they’re doing there.

But the TL;DR — drive a big Jag with a large six, V8 or V12. They may never be your “thing” but they are bloody good cars. Especially if you’re able to find the mythical XJS or XKR manual conversion.

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bearded_dragon_34@reddit

Correct, I have a final-year Jaguar with a V12, a 1996 XJ12. There’s nothing quite like it, and it’s been surprisingly robust after the transmission rebuild (entirely a GM 4L80E with a unique case and computer).

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mission-ctrl@reddit

Thanks for the excellent write up. I truly believe that most modern cars are “good cars” (including Jags) but people’s expectations are unrealistic.

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MeanGene7676@reddit

I had a 2014 XKR and besides the one water pump I had to replace, it never broke down on me once. I sold it with 153,634 miles.

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oopsiedoodle3000@reddit

Most highend British cars for that matter.

I was going to say Aston Martin.

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MontrealChickenSpice@reddit

It seems like the British just can't make a reliable car.

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Jim_in_Albuquerque@reddit

When I saw the PT Cruiser at a car show, I liked the overall look. Then I found out what chassis it was on and I never even bothered to test drive one.

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regassert6@reddit

It was on the Neon platform. Sheet metal aside, it was a really useful vehicle layout inside. I don't know why DCA didn't make a normal looking mini-minivan like a Mazda 5 out of it.

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Jim_in_Albuquerque@reddit

Exactly! A friend of mine's wife had a Neon. When it was relatively new, the four of us went out to dinner together and she offered to drive, I think solely because she was parked behind her husband.

Four fully-grown adults apparently exceeded the Gross Vehicle Weight of the car. It was incredibly noisy and uncomfortable, the suspension hitting the bump stops over every wave in the interstate pavement. I honestly thought we were going to destroy the car at any moment.

I never rode in it again. She drives a Mercury Milan now (discontinued, but much more comfortable for four adults). So... turning that chassis into a wagon didn't make sense to me.

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regassert6@reddit

in PT guise, it classified as a light truck for CAFE standards with a payload of 865 pounds. More than useful, your anecdotal experience notwithstanding.

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Jim_in_Albuquerque@reddit

Two guys (around 320lbs each at the time) and their ladies (around 225 each) exceeded the rating by a smidge. It really is a wonder we didn't destroy the car.

All four of us have slimmed down considerably since then. I'm under 260lbs for the first time in a couple of decades.

I also live around 2000 miles away from there, so these dinner outings have come to a screeching halt.

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regassert6@reddit

Not trying to make fun or anything, but over 1,000 pounds of person; that wasn't the Neon's fault.....

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Jim_in_Albuquerque@reddit

Hardly the point.

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Necessary-Score-4270@reddit

One of my exs had the GT model it was a pretty fun car.

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EngineersFTW@reddit

Newer Dodge Darts. Wish they were provided with a decent engine.

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Savings-Wallaby7392@reddit

Chevy Berlinetta

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Younicycle@reddit

Rx8

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ottrocity@reddit

Prelude shoulda been rwd

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myippick@reddit

Yes this and the VW Corrado. As a lover of hot hatches, I never understood the appeal of removing the utility of a hatchback with no performance/drivetrain benefit.

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Dooski-Bumbs@reddit

I had a VR6 Corrado, i wouldn’t say it should’ve been RWD but definitely AWD, it had the bloodline of being the first R32 before the R32

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myippick@reddit

Ahh that's a good take actually. They already had an AWD platform and the vr6 in their arsenal in the 90s with the Passat did they not? Definitely would've been awesome in the Corrado.

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z44212@reddit

I put a quarter-million miles on my '89 Ford Probe before I sold it (kids on the way, so I bought a 4Runner 'cuz babies love off-roading). "Weren't great" my left toe.

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Absentmindedgenius@reddit

I always thought the Hyundai Tiburon looked cool as hell, but i understand it isn't that great.

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Mrwrongthinker@reddit

I really enjoyed mine. I wasn't really looking for smashing performance as I was 19 and insurance was a grip. It had enough for me.

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Hutwe@reddit

They were decently successful rally cars though. It’s biggest win probably being winning Pikes Peak open division in 1997 (3rd overall) and came in second place in 2000.

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SailingSpark@reddit

I had a 99. It was a good econobox with a sexy body. If you went into it with that in mind, they were a decent car. It was never going to compete with the other sports coupes.

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Current_Anybody8325@reddit

I test drive a low mileage first gen when I was a teenager and had the exact same reaction… I was like good god this “sports car” drives and handles like a Ford Escort 😂

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Ded_diode@reddit

A long time ago I bought a 2nd gen. They were great looking cars and I still think so. Besides the looks I can confirm, it was trash.

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Muglugmuckluck@reddit

Ford probes and their Mazda equivalent mx6 were actually good cars though.

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Mrwrongthinker@reddit

I almost got one in 97, but ended up with a Tiburon.

Didn't like the clutch feel at all. Everything else about it was fire though. One of my friends had a purple one that was sexy AF.

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Ihatemylife8@reddit

I had a. MX6, it was a blast!

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JankyTundra@reddit

very good actually. we had one with 200k and no issues beyond routine maintenance. it got close to 40mpg on the highway. 5 speed manual.

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867530943210@reddit

If the probe came out today it'd be one of the best looking cars on the market and probably have like a 300hp V6 and would be awesome. First car I owned -'95 probe GT (RIP)

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Necessary-Score-4270@reddit

I want a probe soooo bad! Mainly for the lulz

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Muglugmuckluck@reddit

Just need a L84ANL plate and if you get pulled over for speeding tell them the aliens are waiting.

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Ded_diode@reddit

My MX6 was a fantastic car. I sold it around 200k, it is probably still on the road somewhere.

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Dooski-Bumbs@reddit

I like the looks of a lot of Chrysler cars it’s just they’re all shit.

Especially the Plymouth prowler.. that one looks dope but it’s pathetic everywhere else

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maestroseven@reddit

G35 Coupe

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schmidtssss@reddit

Range Rovers

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dubsaxs@reddit

Volvo XC90

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Agreeable_Past9674@reddit

Most jeeps

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PossibleJazzlike2804@reddit

Mini cooper, at least my year. Had to pull out the coolant reservoir to do an oil change.

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apsinc13@reddit

Swastikar...I know it's shit...I know the owner of the company is shit...but I still think k it looks kinda space age.

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redbaron78@reddit

Maserati Ghibli

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CombinationWhich6391@reddit

Fiat X 1/9, Triumph Spitfire

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Many_Dragonfruit_837@reddit

Nice choices, I'd add Triumph TR7

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F-LA@reddit

Luckily, I wasn't quite dumb enough to buy a cheap used example of either when I was a kid.

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CombinationWhich6391@reddit

This is sooo funny! When I was a „kid“, I couldn’t afford one, then the kids came, blablabla. At the time I could have just buy one for fun, I didn’t feel like dealing with the issues anymore. But I always had motorbikes, which is good enough.

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KevinMac1979@reddit

Buick Envision

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ynnoj666@reddit

Volvo wagon

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Shakes-Fear@reddit

Alfa Romeo 156, I actually considered buying one until I looked up the Euro NCAP crash test footage.

The passenger compartment folded like a coke can.

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OkMajor8048@reddit

Hyundai Veloster. Looks like a nice budget 370 imo, cool little hot hatch. Is a piece of crap

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facepillownap@reddit

I can’t imagine the Opel GT is any good.

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runningsoap@reddit

Chrysler 300

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TrenchDildo@reddit

Really, most Chrysler/Dodge products. I love the Challenger, except for it being a Chrysler product. New Jeep Wagoneer too.

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MisanthropicSocrates@reddit

I bought it cause it look like a Phantom!

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djg88x@reddit

we call them Section 8 Bentleys in my house

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TX_Sized10-4@reddit

The 300 part actually stands for the average credit score of their buyers.

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djg88x@reddit

and the days of ownership before they get repossessed

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jypsi600@reddit

Had a 2001 and the engine went BANG at 2500 miles. Dealer said they stocked two or three complete engines at all times because of how often they had to replace them.

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Necessary-Score-4270@reddit

Yeah they were pretty trash in that era. My mom had a magnum (sick ass car) and the tranny died twice in 50k

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Top-Case5753@reddit

The third time the transmission went out in mine, under 100,000 miles, I started to get the feeling they maybe weren’t built that well.

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jypsi600@reddit

Mine started slipping at 20,000 miles.

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HDauthentic@reddit

I would own one of the V8 AWD ones honestly

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Jcklein22@reddit

My 2006 has 168k and has been great

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Rusty_Shacklebird@reddit

Glad I'm not the only one. Love the look, would never buy one though.

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Stock-Inspector4704@reddit

Came here to say this exactly. My first car was a Chrysler 300. Loved it. Didn't last very long

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crazdtow@reddit

This was my daughter’s first “new” car, she loved it and never had any major issues with it before selling it for another car, it was a 2011

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Stock-Inspector4704@reddit

Mine had some electrical issue 5 different shops couldn't identify/agree on. Kept getting deade ends or different responses. Didn't know writhing about cars back then

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Baldemyr@reddit

Kind of odd. I had a 2008 Dodge Charger that made it to like 150k with no issues other then body rust in the rear quarters. Maybe the v8 versions suffered from less issues?

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Main_Tension_9305@reddit

Eww

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Leumas_@reddit

And, being basically the same car, Dodge Magnum. Mine totaled itself doing 30 through town. I heard a pop and a jerk, thought it was the brakes. Nope, entire front end frame turned to dust. 115k miles. Never again, Dodge or Dodge adjacent.

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nomo_heros@reddit

I will always love the look of the Pontiac Fiero

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Primary_Champion8994@reddit

Depending on who you ask, Mazda RX-7 FD.

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NickElso579@reddit

Jeep Wrangler 2 Door Sport

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400K_LBS_OF_FREEDOM@reddit

Mitsubishi Eclipse.

Especially the era that was in the Fast and the Furious

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fuck-emu@reddit

The BRZ. I test drove one, dog shit. I told the guy at the dealership I wanted something faster that performed better, he said "is not supposed to be fast, it's supposed to be fun to drive" yeah, fast it's fun to drive.

I call it the world's sexiest lawn mower

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Important_Wallaby376@reddit

Pt cruiser

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Imaginary-Ladder-465@reddit

Will probably get down votes, but Cybertruck.

I like the look, don't like anything else about it.

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HDauthentic@reddit

Pontiac Solstice

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RedpilotG5@reddit

Maserati

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sojackhorseman@reddit

Hyundai Veloster

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Buster_Cherry88@reddit

3rg gen Camaro. Fun car to drive too, when I wasn't ont the side of the road trying to mad scientist a fix because the electrical and cooling systems were as robust as a gallon of the same coke and beer diarrhea the original owners had

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Jcklein22@reddit

Maserati, allegedly

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Odd-Improvement-1980@reddit

1968-1982 Corvette

I used to own a 1979. I owned it for about 10 years and even did a frame-off restoration on it. I loved the car, but it was a total piece of shit. It sounded good and looked good from a distance, but it drove like crap and wasn’t at all fast.

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rickytrevorlayhey@reddit

Mitsubishi FTO

They look great inside and out, but have rust issues and gearbox problems.

To top it off? Parts are very very hard to find.

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FullSquidnIt@reddit

My dad bought a Ford Probe to commute with, and I ended up learning manual in it. I always thought it was a silly little car as a kid with its seatbelts. Now I know that was common on 90’s cars.

That damn thing lasted 315,000 miles and wouldn’t die. The clutch needed replaced at one point though so that was when we let her go. But damn did that thing serve our family well. They’re good cars. The only thing about them that you can give them shit for is that they’re FWD and had a dumb name.

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yallknowme19@reddit

The door handle in the windows pillar was kind of weird on some of them but yeah, great cars

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regassert6@reddit

My first car was a 1989 Probe, 5 sp stick with AC and cruise control but crank windows. I sold when I graduated college with 250,000 miles on it. Never had anything other than consumable maintenance on it. I miss the hell out of that car.

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Scot25@reddit

2000s Dodge Intrepid.

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Monst3r_Live@reddit

Kia telluride

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throwawaylol@reddit

I think the current gen Nissan Rogue looks great, best looking crossover in its class? No shot I’d touch one though

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ScoundrelEngineer@reddit

Jaguar F type

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Ashton-MD@reddit

Not cool bro. Not cool.

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TheLordVader1978@reddit

Maserati

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LivinUndead@reddit

Dodge Dart. The GT always caught my eye when I was shopping used cars but I’ve heard them being compared to the Dodge Neon which isn’t good.

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antisocial_extrovrt@reddit

All VW ID series. I love the looks of the new ID Buzz but I'm not sure if it's going to justify it's price tag.

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Studlystevie24@reddit

That price tag floored me

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noheroesnomonsters@reddit

Alfa Romeo Montreal

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ChumpChainge@reddit

Hummer.

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Recent_Permit2653@reddit

Fiat 500. Abarth or not.

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LivinUndead@reddit

Same. I especially like the look of the interior. But I won’t buy one.

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Dangerous_Midnight91@reddit

Range Rovers

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Intelligent-North957@reddit

Viper

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Baldemyr@reddit

Lotus Esprit Turbo. I freaking adored these cars and then watched a rebuild of one. Jesus christ it was bandaid over bandaid over dripping sore

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Geoarbitrage@reddit

Chevy Vega…

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IdLOVEYOU2die@reddit

HHR

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Zeppelin59@reddit

I had one. Difficult to see out of due to multiple blind spots, mediocre handling, decent gas mileage. Engine seized up at 115,000 miles and wasn’t going to spend what it cost to replace it. But the styling was pretty cool!

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IdLOVEYOU2die@reddit

I had a customer practically beg me to buy her "ss" hhr because I had said it was interesting. She absolutely HATED it lol

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Zeppelin59@reddit

I got mine used because I needed a car fast and it was relatively cheap. Wish I’d sold it before the engine went tits up.

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Embarrassed-Bench392@reddit

I was given one as a rental on a business trip to the Toyota factory in Kentucky. After driving the HHR for a couple of days, I assured my contact at the factory that the HHR wasn't their competition. Uncomfortable ride with wide pillars that created blind spots where you need to see most.

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joesperrazza@reddit

Trump TR

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Thick_Cookie_7838@reddit

Prowler. It’s such a cool car but it’s performance sucks. Knew someone who had one and said it was pitifully slow

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mustard-plug@reddit

Dodge Viper first generation

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idownvoteanimalpics@reddit

Pontiac solstice/ Saturn sky.

Gorgeous cars, not great otherwise

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CaptainDaveUSA@reddit

I had a Saturn Sky for years and never had a problem with it. Fantastic car.

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No-Understanding-912@reddit

I often wonder if Pontiac didn't get the axe, would they have improved the Solstice. I really wanted the GXP coupe.

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FreshStartLiving@reddit

Back in the day as a teen, absolutely loved the look of the Fiero GT! So bad you don’t even see one anymore on the road.

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ScoundrelEngineer@reddit

The Geo storm lol

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CaptainDaveUSA@reddit

Ha. I had one. Loved that thing!

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Ayyy-yo@reddit

Chevy Tahoe. Every car person in my life has convinced me not to buy one.

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unserious-dude@reddit

Put a name of Italian car manufacturer .

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holden_hiscox@reddit

Alfa Romeo Giulia.

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Comprehensive-Sun-84@reddit

Nissan Sentra (the current one) it’s nice, I just wish there was an SI equivalent or bring back an SE-R Spec V version!

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Wild_Anteater_2189@reddit

Any Jeep made by Stellantis

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regassert6@reddit

Probes were super solid econo sport compacts. Where did you form the incorrect opinion that they weren't great?

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danmingothemandingo@reddit

Want it pretty much a mondeo, shared chassis etc?

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regassert6@reddit

No, the mondeo was the Contour in the States. The Probe shared a platform and lots of bits with the Mazda MX-6.

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danmingothemandingo@reddit

Ah maybe I'm thinking of it's successor the cougar

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mission-ctrl@reddit

The second gen Probe was the same as the Mazda 6. They both use the Mazda GE platform. The Mondeo was related but a little further removed. It used a different platform that was derived from the Mazda GE.

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MeetLess5980@reddit

Nope. Mazda 626/MX6 platform. The Probe"s replacement, last generation Mercury/Ford Cougar, was Mondeo based.

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mission-ctrl@reddit

For real. 2nd gen Probes were fantastic cars.

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regassert6@reddit

a 1989 gen 1 was my first car. I miss the hell out of that thing. Teenager neglect and it still ran for 250k miles.

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silbergeistlein@reddit

Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrafoglio. Absolutely beautiful car. You’d have to pay me to own one though.

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outline8668@reddit

Every 1960s-1980s pickup, SUV and muscle car. They made some cool shit but by any measure they were trash that if they were driven they would rust out and self destruct within 10 years.

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porcelainvacation@reddit

The thing is, though, they were cheap when new, it was normal to be able to buy a new car every few years.

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outline8668@reddit

Where they that cheap though? A cheap new car in 1969 was around $3000. Inflation calculator puts that at 26k today. Most of those cars were thoroughly worn out of not in the scrap yard by the time they made 10 years old.

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Ch4m3l30n@reddit

So, same as today's $26k cars?

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outline8668@reddit

I don't think I know anyone who would be okay with spending 26k on a car they knew would be done by 100k!

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-HELLAFELLA-@reddit

Was romantic with a girl that drove a 95-ish Probe GT, I thought it was dope af

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Simple-Department-28@reddit

Anything Jeep after 2006.

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SmallHeath555@reddit

Land Rover, Jaguar, Massarati, basically anything English or Italian

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pge2324@reddit

all tesla

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music420Dude@reddit

BMW 328xi x drive ..

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danmingothemandingo@reddit

Hate to say it but I'm qualified to - TVRs. Also when's the lady time you saw a Hyundai coupe

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No-Understanding-912@reddit

Hyundais are generally treated as disposable cars, at least most people I know that own one year it that way. I think the Gen coupes have been beaten on more than a high schooler owned hand-me-down Nissan Altima.

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Fit_Addition7137@reddit

I chuckled at "when's the lady time" probably a bit too much.

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perpetuallysicker@reddit

Malaise era C3 corvette (after the emissions rules kicked in)

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SailingSpark@reddit

the C3 was so sexy looking too.

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Logical-Consequence9@reddit

I really like some of the newer Maseratis especially the GranTurismo in yellow, but they’re really underwhelming for the price. You can get a killer Porsche for less. If I had the money I’d take a new Corvette Z06 over a GranTurismo. The reliability and maintenance costs suck, and it’s just not competitive enough with so many other options.

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