A lot of interesting guns that were for sale in French Black Market with prices.

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dr_xenon@reddit

The front grip on the shotgun is chef’s kiss!

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We still play community competitive pick up games. Only way to play firefight and its better with modified loadouts and rulesets. You should come join us. Think were the only NA guys doing pugs, not sure whats going on in the EU.

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coleypoley13@reddit

Do y’all run a discord for the group?

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soyenjoy@reddit

Sure do, want a link? Wont be able to provide for a couple days as i can only log into that account at home.

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ThePrideOfKrakow@reddit

Is it through the original client still or a modded service?

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soyenjoy@reddit

Through the original client. Think we got 3 dedicated servers with a custom competitive gamemode. If youre in europe you can still play as we usually use the nj server while playing with eu guys.

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Avtamatic@reddit

Euros will say they're safer because they don't have guns, and then their criminals have literal anti-tank weapons just for sale online.

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letsburn00@reddit

Part of the idea is that the kind of criminals who spend this much money on a gun are a bit more professional than the sorts who would mug someone or rob a corner store. We also have legal AR-15s here(In Australia), despite what people think, you just need a hunting licence to have one.

In Australia there absolutely are guns that criminals have, but effectively there are very few "civilian" gun deaths here from criminals. There is a bit of a meme that the safest street in a suburb is the street where there is a bikies clubhouse(one of the largest organised crime factions), because they only shoot each other.

That said, during a fairly big Bikie war in the late 90s, there was a drive-by with a street sweeper shotgun near my school. We had to stay indoors that day in case there was retaliation.

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soyenjoy@reddit

Hahaha no way is organized crime better than petty crime. Its like saying juarez is safe because the ruling cartel tortures theives and puts their dismembered bodies out in the street. Theres a difference between one mean mugger endaring your life and an organized group kidnapping and torturing your family because you messed with them or saw something you shouldnt have. Those gangs in australia may seem nice to you but they are no saints.

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Anxious-Sea-5808@reddit

No saints at all, but I agree with SubOP - for average person without any connections to criminals and median wealth, a mugger in a dark alley is much more of a threat than organized crime, which targets larger business, drugs, gamnbling or prostitution.

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soyenjoy@reddit

Thats a naive take. Organized crime exploits the average person or there would be no money in it. Depends on the neighborhood, but to think theyd leave you alone because you work a 9-5 is something. In some places the average person doesnt deal with that yes and they probably dont even have to worry about being mugged either long as theyre not walking around at night.

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Anxious-Sea-5808@reddit

The comment is from my Polish perspective, maybe you live in a more dangerous place? We used to have brtutal organized crime in 90s too - gang wars, shootings (but only between each other), bombs, all that stuff. Eventually the Police broke the gangs and jailed them up. Afterwards they switched to white-collar crime, tax fraud, illegal imports of fuel and alcohol - state lost quite a lot of money, yet nobody not involved in their business got physically harmed.

I see no way organized crime is a threat to me or anyone I know. Never heard of anyone who has been harmed by organized crime too, as long as they are not involved in shady business themselves.

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letsburn00@reddit

This is my experience too in Australia.

Personally I don't like organised crime existing and I'd much rather their main funding sources get blocked. It's a major reason I'd like Pot legalised. I'm not a fan myself but currently it's just a way to give criminals money.

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letsburn00@reddit

In Australia organised crime largely is funded from drug proceeds. Other avenues such as gambling and prostitution are legal here broadly, so it's far less profitable (though illegal forms do exist). There is also a subgroup of smuggling tobacco.

To a large extent, it's a "don't rock the boat with the civvies" attitude here. With organised crime against people not involved with it effectively not present. I'm not aware of any person I've ever dealt with who was affected by it. Some Eshay with a Knife (they don't have guns) is more the issue.

Petty theft by methheads is probably the only crime I've had dealings with as of the last ten years. Though crime (especially violent crime outside of domestic situations) is quite low here vs the US.

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Zadraax@reddit

Have you seen theses guns ? Half of them are 80 years old. No talking about ammo supply even. When criminal have Balkan war weapons as a best choice, you know guns law work.

Guns will always be around, there's just less of them and they're inferior quality to what's around today.

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1corvidae1@reddit

Not sure why you got down voted. How often do randoms get shot compared to USA?

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Zadraax@reddit

It's a gun reddit, not surprising that when you remind that guns are used to kill people, redditors are angry about it.

On all gun violence, about 5 times less death per 100.000 (2019 data). Probably same as in the state, gun violence is aimed first at gang member by opposing gang members, then it's a lot of accidental and also self harm. Professions with access to guns, and hunters are to most likely to kill themselves this way. Especially men. No big surprise.

Good thing is that restricted guns access makes them relatively too precious for banditism to mess around and use since "unreasonably", eventho it's less and less true and we've had cases of gun violence for petty gains increasingly.

In terms of mass shooting, we had 8, since 2000, 5 of which were linked to terrorism.

Surprisingly, third source of illegal guns imports in France is North America, with dismantled guns being smuggled in.

If you want to look it up : it's here. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://gunviolence.eu/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/France.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjxjeDflruMAxVKRqQEHeLzAA8QFnoECDUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0HOta_63wIwnqzFpwYcAO2

And if you want to downvote me, answer instead. This is a cool sub, let's have a chat !

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soyenjoy@reddit

Gang shootouts in france are pretty comparable to one in the states. Noticed they just rock more full auto aks in france instead of glocks with switches and ars.

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ErwinHolland1991@reddit

No one is saying we don't have guns. There just are a lot lot lot lot lot lot less. And the statistics don't lie, do they.

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dahamburglar@reddit

They are literally safer tho lol

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m48nr@reddit

Tears for the fal and walther mpl

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255001434@reddit

Did you mean the Franchi LF-57? They have a similar look. I didn't see a Walther.

But yeah, I'd hate to see that one get destroyed.

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m48nr@reddit

Possibly….Thank you for the correction.

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ls_445@reddit

British "highwaymen" better not fuck with the French, lmao

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Flaky-Letterhead-519@reddit

I don't know if I am allowed to say this, but the people using these are more likely to from a North-African background.

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CWM_99@reddit

Law going for slightly less than a clapped ak and ar 9 is wild

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Anxious-Sea-5808@reddit

Not that I have much insight into criminal business, but my wild guess is that AK or a 9mm pistol is much more useful and versatile than a LAW

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hurricane_97@reddit

That's definitely not a a mortar round and not a LAW rocket being sold with it so I suspect it may not work.

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comradejiang@reddit

Never used a LAW, but don’t they come loaded?

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40mm_of_freedom@reddit

Probably a used LAW tube (basically useless) and an inert or 90yo mortar round.

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Anxious-Sea-5808@reddit

3700 Euro for Škorpion vz 61 - a friend of mine scrapped one recently, because nobody was interested in buying it, even for a bottle of cheap scotch.

Interesting to see how much overhead on a price illegality gives.

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juver3@reddit

2800€ for a sten ? That thing cost like 28€ to make

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I426Hemi@reddit

Gib FAL ill give it a good life with my others

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DerringerOfficial@reddit

The variety is insane

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JorgeIronDefcient@reddit

It’s always interesting seeing what sort of makeshift/obscure firearms come up in the criminal underworlds of countries with incredibly strict gun laws.

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CluelessUser101@reddit

Guns laws aren't that strict in France. They're pretty normal.

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VerilyJULES@reddit

At those prices I can almost understand the risk these gun runners take.

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ohbrubuh@reddit

Its_a_trap.jpg

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MFOslave@reddit

Pretty sure the Zastava M70 is a Romanian PM MD 90. Note the gas block and 2 vent holes on the handguard instead of 3.

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landsraad_@reddit

In pic 12? Im inclined to agree

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Beautiful-Quality402@reddit

I wonder how many small arms are currently in the hands of criminals and non state actors.

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LeadnLasers@reddit

The Franchi LF57 is actually the more modernized version with a rotating safety and lightened bolt. You can tell easily by the lack of a push safety above the grip and the bolt if you know what you’re looking for

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