Cutting Property Taxes in Florida “It under cuts the idea of private property that you own, outside the reach of the government” “You are paying rent to own your land”
Posted by deathnutz@reddit | Libertarian | View on Reddit | 25 comments
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I never thought I’d hear a politician talk about cutting property taxes for all the libertarian reasons.
MillennialSenpai@reddit
Federal property taxes are probably the only taxes I support. If we’re going to have a nightwatchman government, then the people who own the land should pay.
ILikeBumblebees@reddit
The federal government doesn't have any constitutional authority to levy property taxes, especially against property governed under states' sovereignty. Most of the functions of 'nightwatchman government' are rightly undertaken at the state and local level. Federal involvement would result in too much centralization.
MillennialSenpai@reddit
The Constitution only matters in so far as it is an attempt at the expression of rights the people already have.
I believe the federal government rightly has a duty to protect the people from external threats. I believe that duty should be paid for by property owners as their property is what is being protected. If you want to say that states should protect people from other citizens then I would say they should levy property taxes as well.
Lanky_Barnacle_1749@reddit
Property tax steals ownership, period. It’s antithetical to the sentiments and the writings of the founding generation.
MillennialSenpai@reddit
Land ownership damages public goods. Damaging public goods is called a negative externality. Negative externalities are allowed to be taxed/fined.
Lanky_Barnacle_1749@reddit
Did you come up with that on your own?
MillennialSenpai@reddit
Which part and not really. There's a lot of philosophical debate around this.
Lanky_Barnacle_1749@reddit
Demonizing property ownership is some communist bs there fella. What’s your source for that theory?
MillennialSenpai@reddit
There's Georgists like Henry George, mutualists like Proudhon, agorism, etc. All of which come from libertarian first principles (of one degree or more).
Land ownership is a much less concrete concept in libertarianism than people view it.
Sure mixing labor with land helps make pragmatic rules/laws but it doesn't make for good morality.
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ILikeBumblebees@reddit
The constitution is what defines all federal power. What are you talking about?
It doesn't. No idea where you got that idea from.
MillennialSenpai@reddit
The Constitution limits federal power. It does not define it.
It comes from the fact that there are foreign countries that may now or in the future wish to take our land and infringe upon our rights as well as the idea that a libertarian society ought be well armed and unified against anti-libertarian forces.
ILikeBumblebees@reddit
What on earth are you talking about? The constitution is literally the charter of the federal government. The federal government exists because the constitution establishes it and defines its roles and responsibilities in articles I through III.
Seriously, where are you getting this nonsense from?
So tax people to fund "protection" against non-specific speculative threats? Yeah, no thanks.
MillennialSenpai@reddit
What do you think you're doing when you purchase firearms and go to the gun range?
The same thing the federal government would be doing on a larger scale.
I said tax land owners, and that's it. No other taxes.
You don't think any other country is currently devising to oppress the US in spite of our already huge military? What would they do if we had none or less?
Beneficial-Two8129@reddit
There is no Federal property tax. There cannot be a Federal property tax under the current Constitution, because direct taxation is prohibited. The 16th Amendment created a carve-out for income taxes, but other direct taxes remain unconstitutional.
MillennialSenpai@reddit
The Constitution only matters in so far as it is an attempt at the expression of rights the people already have.
I believe the federal government rightly has a duty to protect the people from external threats. I believe that duty should be paid for by property owners as their property is what is being protected. If you want to say that states should protect people from other citizens then I would say they should levy property taxes as well.
thatstheharshtruth@reddit
No. A tax on consumption is better. At least it's fair.
Practical-Meaning-86@reddit
Issue is a tax on consumption hits the low and middle class hardest.
Unless they were to have a rental stippend or require rent to go down equal to the change ib property tax
deathnutz@reddit (OP)
Sales tax isn’t applied to necessities, at least in Florida. It is and should be applied for luxuries and entertainment however.
brian_the_human@reddit
Tax on consumption hurts middle and low class disproportionately compared to upper class. Income tax is much more fair
MillennialSenpai@reddit
Consumption isn't tied to miltary defense though.
deathnutz@reddit (OP)
This is a state property tax. I don’t know of any federal property tax. I hope I don’t owe. 😬
ILikeBumblebees@reddit
I'd love to get rid of property taxes, but I'm scared that doing so will make local governments less self-funding while they still retain responsibility for important services, and make them dependent on federal disbursements to function. This could inadvertently enable significant centralization.
deathnutz@reddit (OP)
On the case of Florida, they are offsetting the cost to non-residents. …as well as DOGEing their current expenditures.
BigL54@reddit
Now hopefully the IRS is next