Tesla Sales Slump to Lowest Since 2022 Amid Anti-Musk Backlash
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Adventurous-Sound491@reddit
Yeah I know lol
Significant_Kale_547@reddit
😅😅😅😅😅
DocPhilMcGraw@reddit
So about 13k vehicles delivered in the “Other” category which includes the S, X, and Cybertruck. I am guesstimating that around half (or 6k to 7k of that total) are for the Model S/X. Then we can reasonably predict that Tesla sold 6k to 7k Cybertrucks this quarter. That means that Tesla is looking at best at selling just under 30k Cybertrucks this year.
Even if Cybertruck sold closer to 8k for the quarter, that would still place them at selling 32k units for the year.
Remember: Elon himself stated that he hoped to deliver 250k Cybertrucks in 2025. Right now they’re on track to miss that goal by a lot.
nerdpox@reddit
2 million reservations or something like that, less than 3 percent conversion rate by EOY if I'm not mistaken
canikony@reddit
No one believed those $100 refundable reservations were in anyway representative of actual sales though. I think if it actually launched at 40k, it would be closer but still waaaay off from that 2mil number.
NotMikeBrown@reddit
So many were people thinking they could buy one and then flip it for a profit. The car market was absolutely crazy when they were taking preorders and people could legitimately resell a car for more than they paid for it.
canikony@reddit
Yeah, covid was a crazy time. My Model 3 was hit and totalled and I got what I paid for it from insurance. It was 4 years old with 97k miles.
nerdpox@reddit
No, I don't think they believed it. Back for Model 3 when it was 1000, I think it made more sense.
BannytheBoss@reddit
All the Cybertruck sales must be around me because that is all I see recently.
Corsair4@reddit
Elon regularly misses his own goals and timelines with Tesla by a lot, so that tracks.
LheelaSP@reddit
Baseball, huh?
Shmokesshweed@reddit
Massive flop.
rg25@reddit
The car industry as a whole is in for a world of hurt.
guy_incognito784@reddit
All self inflicted by many voters being a bunch of fucking idiots.
Snoo-22133@reddit
Is this r/politics or r/cars?
mcbergstedt@reddit
Every sub is r/politics now
BeingRightAmbassador@reddit
everything is political inherently, whether or not you understand that and you it to your advantage is a different thing. Stifling conversation because "it's unrelated to cars" is a shortsighted and stupid thing to do to yourself, or a tool to prevent discussion by bad faith individuals.
mcbergstedt@reddit
Yeah, and everything inherently has mass, but people don’t go around talking about how much everything weighs.
BeingRightAmbassador@reddit
how much mass something has doesn't impact how much taxes I have to pay genius. Curious that I talk about shit that affects my bottom line, huh.
mcbergstedt@reddit
Technically it does. Bigger vehicles cost more in state taxes when you register them and you spend more on the taxes on gas
BeingRightAmbassador@reddit
people absolutely do talk about mass all the time, 1/2 the m5 conversation is about it's weight.
I don't have to pay for your trucks registration so how much your stuff weighs doesn't impact me.
I don't pay your fueling costs, so none of that affects my bottom line.
acting like registration, which is avg <$100/yr, and things like rent policy which is avg 42% of income are the same is disingenuous at best.
XGC75@reddit
Yeah no. Anything can be analysed through any lens. Thermodynamics, politics, romanticism, stoicism... Know how absurd it'd be if some John came into /r/cars and forced stoicism analysis on everyone? It is as absurd as it sounds for anyone not into politics. Especially those who only speak in colors painted by media outlets when there are many great ways to be involved like local volunteering or even clerking for an election.
If you read this and it sounds ridiculous to you, you're indoctrinated already.
Kale_Shai-Hulud@reddit
Well that's a very convenient way to avoid any dissent towards your opinion lol.
XGC75@reddit
Hah yeah I don't really mind being an ass if it brings me peace
giantzoo@reddit
that's exhausting man lol
if I were an elite I would absolutely love social media. gets all the plebs screaming into the void to themselves. keep them entertained and engaged with nothing of note thinking this way, and they ruin their own hobbies over it too lol
BeingRightAmbassador@reddit
Life's exhausting. Either buck up or shut up.
giantzoo@reddit
lol sure is when you're needlessly stressing yourself out accomplishing nothing notable here. this website has gone of the rails
BeingRightAmbassador@reddit
I mean this website got Elon to personally call the CEO and beg for them to remove things making fun of him, so clearly you're just uneducated on the events.
1AMA-CAT-AMA@reddit
I’d argue any post that namedrops Tesla has an especially high chance of morphing into /r/politics
mcbergstedt@reddit
Totally, but it also doesn’t help that EVERY MAJOR SUB talks about Tesla and/or Elon 24/7.
1AMA-CAT-AMA@reddit
That’s true as well.
AgitPropPoster@reddit
Car manufacturing maybe related to politics? WHO COULD HAVE GUESSED
-crackling-@reddit
You know how ppl play that game on Wikipedia, "7 degrees to Hitler"?
I play "1 degree to Trump" on reddit, and I have yet to find a single thread where I don't win.
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guy_incognito784@reddit
With Tesla it invariably becomes both unfortunately.
His sales slump because of politics.
rg25@reddit
We live in a country that is letting the richest man BUY elections. A billionaire can swoop in and pay people to vote for who he wants. I don't care what side you are on, this is absolutely ridiculous and is a crime against democracy.
EpitaphConfusion@reddit
Sorry to burst your bubble but this has been happening in politics for a long time. Musk has just been more public-facing than other mega donors
TempleSquare@reddit
It's just gone from 1900s "sneaky" to 1800s "brazen"
I don't think we've seen this sort of outright corruption since Warren Harding a century ago.
Dilderika@reddit
Whats corrupt about it?
xt1nct@reddit
Where can I read about billionaires openly paying people for their vote?
Green0rca@reddit
I agree with you. Never openly always secretly.
StepsOnLEGO@reddit
We've had billionaires offering $100 per voter for decades? [x] Doubt.
rg25@reddit
Do you have some examples of people rewarding voters directly with money for voting a certain way? Bankrolling candidates is one thing, but saying I will potentially give voters money if they vote a certain way is taking it to another level IMO.
dakargelb_ii@reddit
Of course they don’t
guy_incognito784@reddit
Yeah he gave two voters in WI $1M each for the state supreme court elections.
Despite spending millions, their candidate lost.
rg25@reddit
I have had my head down in a hole for the sake of my mental health. I had not heard the result of that election. Glad to hear voting and democracy prevailed.
Spags25@reddit
Wait till you hear it was two other billionaires that actually bank rolled her campaign...
rg25@reddit
Bankrolling a campaign? Nothing new there though? Paying voters is what is criminal.
Green0rca@reddit
Good billionaires vs. bad billionaires I guess.
velociraptorfarmer@reddit
Wisconsin is very much a purple state with statewide elections usually being a coin flip.
It was a double-digit-point victory.
DaveCootchie@reddit
"voters" he gave his employees an agreed upon value not related to an election. He pulled the same thing in PA. And a court upheld that a scam doesn't count towards buying an election. He lawyers argued in court that it was a scam too. Hand a check to someone who knows and employs then lie and say that it's a random person. Then a bunch of poor rubes will sign up and vote for the desired candidate thinking they could also win but can't. According to the court, no election laws were broken.
theallmightymemelord@reddit
"swoop in and pay people to vote for who he wants." can you elaborate what you mean by that?
kgariba@reddit
We are talking about George Soros, right guys? Guys?
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Heidenreich12@reddit
Yeah Rivian’s numbers were horrible too.
AWD_OWNZ_U@reddit
What are you taking about Rivian sakes were up and beat analyst expectations?
SaltedSporks@reddit
They beat expectations, but sales weren't up YOY. More importantly they've never paraded around a guy in a robot costume and don't trade like a meme stock
AWD_OWNZ_U@reddit
You’re right I read the press release wrong.
erbot@reddit
Im never getting that R3
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Colddeck64@reddit
The quick numbers are reported 330k sales and expected sales were 390k
This is lower than expectations, but I’m very surprised it wasn’t much much lower than what it was.
With the sales falling way off in EU countries, I expected a significant decline in the US.
Evilmoustachetwirler@reddit
Q2 will be when things start to get interesting
Colddeck64@reddit
Yeah. But not just for Tesla, but for everyone.
Corsair4@reddit
Globally, Tesla will have a rougher time than most.
Musk has absolutely torched any positive perception he had in Germany and other countries over the last few weeks. Q1 numbers don't entirely encompass that.
Combine that with growing anti-american business sentiment, and Musk's prominent role in the executive, and the fact that Tesla's cars themselves are rapidly losing appeal on their own merits.
LheelaSP@reddit
Ok but have you considered that it's illegal to not buy a Tesla? Checkmate.
whoiam06@reddit
Totally domestic terrorism if you don't support Tesla in the USA
Spooky3030@reddit
You do know people are torching the cars and the dealerships and keying them all over the place, right? This goes way beyond just not supporting them.
Evilmoustachetwirler@reddit
Tesla's were getting keyed way before Muskrat took over the presidency. Vandalism of charging infrastructure wasn't exactly a small issue either.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
Objectively, tesla make the most american-built car. They are going to be facing the least issue from tariffs relative to the competition. Sure prices are going to go up for everything and everyone, just not by as much for musk.
dnyank1@reddit
Literally no. In short, Elon lies about this, too.
Mexican and Chinese parts all over these nazimobiles
hi_im_bored13@reddit
Yes, there are still parts sourced overseas. Both can be true, it is still the most american made car, not completely.
Not a fan of musk, not the biggest fan of modern teslas, that doesn’t change the facts that these regulations will benefit his company most (or more accurately, will harm him least)
https://www.cars.com/articles/2024-cars-com-american-made-index-which-cars-are-the-most-american-484903/
You got a source confirming he’s lying?
dnyank1@reddit
Do I need one beyond logic and pattern recognition?
Let's dissect.
And, since you clearly just want a link to click on - no, this isn't entirely original thought nor is it baseless conjecture -- manufacturers (including Tesla) effectively lie about product origin. https://truthinadvertising.org/articles/automakers-advertising-made-in-usa-cars-need-to-pump-the-brakes/
hi_im_bored13@reddit
so you don’t have a source lol keep yapping
dnyank1@reddit
Right... The cars.com ranking is completely unrelated to the fact that manufacturers, including tesla, are routinely lying about the exact factors which determine those rankings.
Including
(also Mexican, NAFTA)
Anyway...
hi_im_bored13@reddit
Except tesla didn’t lie here and the article doesn’t even say otherwise, built and sourced are two different things, and the teslas sold here are 100% built in the US - not 100% sourced, and I never claimed otherwise
What are they sourcing from canada then? They already mention 25% of the parts are from mexico. What do you have that talks you tesla won’t be the least affected by these tariffs?
dnyank1@reddit
And, specifically, you have produced NO evidence refuting this.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
battery needs to be assembled majority in NA to qualify for the tax credit, they have a factory in the us and not mexico or canada, where else would they make it lol
SSCyclone@reddit
Thanks for posting that link! Interesting!
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Corsair4@reddit
Objectively, Tesla are considered 60-75% american depending on the model.
That is the same range as Honda.
If you only consider US tariffs, and only consider US sales, maybe.
Thing is, car companies are global. And tariffs are cause both political retaliation and shifts in public sentiment.
Ontario already canceled Starlink contracts because of Musk and the US Government, and that's a company that has nothing to do with any of this, apart from the guy who's name is attached to it. So general political retaliation against US companies, and targeted political retaliation against specific companies are both on the table.
On the public side of things, Musk has already pissed off the German public, to the point that somebody started blatantly vote rigging to make it look better - Unless we think that 250,000 germans are living in 2 houses in the US.
From a vehicle perspective, Tesla no longer commands the advantage it did in the EV space. From a political perspective, the US government is going to hurt Tesla slightly less than it hurts everyone else, and other governments are absolutely looking to return the favor against the US specifically, and against specific US companies. And from a social perspective, Musk has absolutely damaged the Tesla brand in the minds of a lot of potential consumers.
Acting like it's fine because domestically Tesla will take slightly less damage than everyone else is... simplistic.
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A_Light_Spark@reddit
The books are cooked:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/27/world/canada/tesla-canada-sales-musk.html
https://fortune.com/2025/03/26/elon-musk-tesla-under-investigation-canada-wrongfully-boosting-sales/
The numbers are just vibes at this point.
Colddeck64@reddit
Yeah, I saw that report of Tesla trying to suck more tax credit dollars out of Canada.
These reports were from US sales. But you are right. They are unlikely sending in correct sales numbers.
Oh_ffs_seriously@reddit
I wonder if the official sales numbers aren't suspect, themselves. Were those Teslas submitted for the EV rebate on the last day in Canada really sold to customers?
mulletstation@reddit
Yes, the rebates were bundled up from like 3 months worth of sales and submitted by the 5 or so main dealers for each province.
Oh_ffs_seriously@reddit
Is this an official finding, or just a hypothesis that assumes that it wasn't a fraud?
Dunx29@reddit
Probably because you spend so much time on Reddit, you think it's real life (it isn't).
HighHokie@reddit
Yeah Reddit would have you believe Tesla was on the verge of bankruptcy.
Still a notable hit. Any other ceo would be axed for this direct correlation.
TurboSalsa@reddit
Not on the verge of bankruptcy, just nowhere near justifying a P/E of 135 when the rest of the industry is trading below 10.
Tesla's valuation could fall by 90% and it would still be priced at a premium relative to the competition, but the success of all the vaporware management has promised over the years (full self-driving, AI, automation, robotaxis, etc.) is baked into the current share price.
HighHokie@reddit
The p/e has been indefensible for years.
GhostReddit@reddit
They've had record growth and positive goodwill for years too.
gimpwiz@reddit
Since the IPO. It's a car company being treated like Amazon during their full-reinvestment-no-returns years.
mdp300@reddit
It's absolutely ridiculous that they're "bigger" than Toyota or GM.
StepsOnLEGO@reddit
Toyota and GM, combined. Along with BYD, Xiaomi, Ferrari, Porsche, VW, Ford, Mercedes, and BMW.
mulletstation@reddit
That's because market cap is a function of debt. Toyota has like 200B in debt. GM 180B in debt. If they were to approach Tesla debt levels of 7B they'd have a way bigger market cap.
_c_manning@reddit
Market cap = share price * number of shares
Share price is driven purely by rich people's feelings about the company. This is why Tesla's P/E Ratio is indefensible because the shareholders have irrational feelings about the company.
StepsOnLEGO@reddit
Huh? No, market cap is the value of all outstanding shares of the company. Enterprise Value takes into account outstanding debt.
HighHokie@reddit
People jumped on the bandwagon after the became profitable. That thanks to the sudden climb and stock splits, caused irrational investors to jump in and turn a quick buck. It’s been irrational ever since.
CulturalAd4117@reddit
Backing AI vapourware instead of just going all in on investing into the supercharger network was a serious mistake that could lose Tesla its shirt over the coming years. Access to fast and reliable charging is the biggest obstacle to widespread EV adoption and Tesla had the chance to monopolise it
ringo-san@reddit
And who exactly stepped up and made a competing charging network?
xarune@reddit
While I agree that a reliable network is key for EV adoption, I don't think the super charger network is really a good business on it's own. What they have done best is have working chargers that are maintained, but that's mostly because the competition is half assed: the biggest being funded by a "we're sorry" program from VW.
At the end of the day you are selling electricity, transformed through some expensive hardware that has plenty of provider options. Everyone is buying that electricity for same amount at any given location, so it's a race to the bottom on margins. There is no moat beyond potentially being integrated into Teslas directly for navigation and credit card auth, but other car companies and charging providers are closing the gap with open standards on that.
If anything, the money is in the real estate and what you put around the chargers while you have people captured for 10-30min while they charge: restaurants, mini-marts, shopping. Basically the gas station game. But that's a real-estate and retail play which isn't really Tesla's specialty and is capital intensive. I could honestly see them spinning off the SC division to it's own company as competition ramps up.
HegemonNYC@reddit
A 13% drop in sales (with likely worse in Q2) can bankrupt a company. They take on debt with the assumption of future sales growth. Declining or even flat sales will bankrupt normal (ie not a meme stock) companies.
redskellington@reddit
lol too bad for you that Tesla has a large cash reserve and almost no debt. Loser.
GMFPs_sweat_towel@reddit
The only reason Tesla is valued so much is because Elon has been promising the future, next year for sure, for the last 10 years. Without him, Tesla has nothing.
HighHokie@reddit
Nah. They have a popular portfolio of vehicles, charging, and technology. I’m all for bashing teslas missteps but let’s not pretend like the company is vapor.
BeingRightAmbassador@reddit
they had a unique market niche and now they're a commodity company. The company isn't vapor, but they're quickly losing technological advantage and they have no unique offerings apart from the X's doors and the CT, but that's about it. As soon as a low cost EV sedan that competes with the updated 3 comes out, they'll basically be losing in every category and metric for vehicles.
HighHokie@reddit
We’ve been waiting for this for several years now and it hasn’t emerged. Teslas enjoyed healthy margins due to their minimalist design and direct sales.
Like I said, there is plenty to bash tesla for but they are not as vulnerable as people want to believe. Honestly it’s dissappointing sales weren’t far worse, following elons antics over the last 6 months.
420bIaze@reddit
In Australia there are tonnes of affordable and good quality EVs coming from China, with sales of brands such as BYD and MG surpassing Tesla.
I think this is the case in virtually every country other than the US, where Chinese EVs face political barriers.
WitBeer@reddit
The competition already exists and they're winning. They just don't have the capacity to build fast enough. It's the prius, rav4, corolla, camry, and highlander hybrids.
Astramael@reddit
It’s worse than vapourware. It’s actively toxic.
Sure_Nefariousness56@reddit
This. Also, EV sales are volatile in general. Very difficult to predict what is going to happen.
hoopaholik91@reddit
Yeah, 13% total drop when Europe was down 50% and China down 22% seems a little odd.
ALexus_in_Texas@reddit
There are probably fleet and other contracts that kept buying up. Let’s see what happens when those contracts aren’t renewed
mulletstation@reddit
Tesla has almost zero fleet sales.
LoPanDidNothingWrong@reddit
I would totally judge someone for buying a Tesla right now. So I am also surprised sales stayed that high.
wysiwywg@reddit
Probably including projected sales, remember they always spin the numbers
tech01x@reddit
Actually, Troy Teslike's estimate is probably the unofficial whisper number which was 355k, and so the reported amount is not that far from it. I was expecting 340k to 365k, so 336k is just slightly less than that.
NCSUGrad2012@reddit
I’m shocked it was anywhere near that. I’ll be curious to see what happens going forward
PBandC_NIG@reddit
Could we please not turn this sub into another /r/all circlejerk?
Perfect_Cost_8847@reddit
I see a few comments removed but otherwise it basically looks like r/Politics in here.
Kodachrome30@reddit
Yet the stock is slowly going up... while a stock like Nvidia with positive sales goes down. Things that make you go hmmmm
catswithboxes@reddit
Good. The people who drive them in my area are so bad at driving I’m glad they’re not increasing anymore.
dfsaqwe@reddit
so who\what's propping up the tesla stock? they've reported bad sales in all regions yet the stock is not dipping.
UncannyVibes@reddit
I think there are still a lot of retail investors out there who are hoping for another major surge and they start buying whenever it dips. Just as there is social engineering to tank the company there is social engineering to prop it up.
I don’t know shit, but my guess is that there is tremendous pressure growing on the stocks as more institutional holders sell and retail investors buy, as the fundamentals mostly get worse… I’d be sweating right now if I owned a lot of TSLA
Car-face@reddit
I followed a few startups during the EV startup bubble, and the one universal behaviour was people insisting the stock had to go back up because "it's fallen so much already".
And these weren't companies churning out over a million cars a year - they were barely able to deliver a prototype of an idea, were diluting the crap out of their stock just to keep the lights on, and people would ignore every fundamental problem because "I like the product, they've got a plan, fundamentals are sound" until eventually they had no money in the company and "there needs to be a lawsuit to deal with this!".
People can be incredibly irrational if you give them a slim hope to cling to and make it sound like something they want.
canikony@reddit
The thing is on the flip side, I don't know how Tesla would do without Elon just as much. It's anyones guess how the company will end up with him at the helm in the longrun or him stepping down.
blainestang@reddit
The stock isn’t totally rational, but as you can see in this thread, many people believed sales would crash WAY harder than it did, so from a stock standpoint, it’s partly a case of an even bigger sales drop being expected and “priced in” to the stock price before today, so when the drop was 13% YOY instead of 50% or whatever people extrapolated from one month of Norway sales, investors thought, “oh, that’s not as bad as it seemed like it might be.”
jse000@reddit
Q2 is going to be the real tell. With lines down to get Juniper going, some slump was expected. Is this all attributed to that? Highly unlikely. If their numbers lag after refresh of what was previously the best selling car in the world I'd expect the reality of the situation to finally start being undeniable, and impacting the stock. But who knows, the reality now doesn't justify the valuation, we live in crazy world.
connorcam@reddit
memes
FormulaJAZ@reddit
The ultra-high stock valuation is based on:
1) Full Self Driving
2) AI
3) Humanoid Robots
TSLA stopped being valued as an automotive stock a long, long time ago.
Last quarter's slowing car sales didn't change the narrative for enthusiastic investors buying the stock for the above reasons.
3d_extra@reddit
There are so many humanoid robot companies though. Many of those are worth a billion too but Tesla is pretty far from the most advanced one. I guess their main advantage is their vaporware price but chinese humanoids are hitting those prices already.
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DrZedex@reddit
Blind faith.
argent_pixel@reddit
There are rumors out today that Musk is leaving DOGE soon so that's probably why the stock is rebounding.
Accurate_Sir625@reddit
Go look at the top selling vehicle in China for March 2025. At 4X the dollar value of next vehicle.
ymjcmfvaeykwxscaai@reddit
Big note here is that the x, s and cybertruck are not moving at all. I don't really know why you would today pick an s or the x over the other options. CT is self explanatory there. The question is are they going to continue wasting effort attempting to move these? Will they come out with a cheaper CT? I really don't think it'll move that many even it they get it down to 52k with a 7500 dollar credit available.
Price isn't the primary reason people aren't buying the 72k version.
dam_sharks_mother@reddit
I just leased a Model S Plaid after driving the Taycan Turbo and 4S and Lucid Air GT. I already own a sports car (991.2 GT3) and the Taycan is a far cry from the 911 feeling behind the wheel but they want 911 pricing. The Lucid was surprisingly fun to drive but that's where the positive things end.
So yeah, gonna have to disagree with you there. If you want a powerful EV sports sedan with the best technology, the Model S is still the market leader. Yes it's an old ass car, but they've made many iterative improvements over the years and it still looks good.
Larcya@reddit
The tesla dealership the next town over(which used to be a Chrysler dealership LOL.) has 3 entire rows of cyber trucks just sitting.
Like I wouldn't be surprised if they are the same models. I go by it every few days on my motorcycle. Probably becuese I'm a masochist and enjoy my eyes being visually raped by those hideous monstrosities.
ymjcmfvaeykwxscaai@reddit
They've dropped the foundation series requirement and also finally qualify for the tax credit. They're constantly doing incentives for them, they've essentially already had the price dropped by a third from 100k to less than 70 with discounts and low interest rates, and this is the results, they don't sell. I don't think further price drops is the real problem here.
LifeIsAnAnimal@reddit
Maybe if they sell them at a loss they will sell. Like sell it for 50K.
Larcya@reddit
Yeah how much money would you need to be payed to drive one of them around is the actual question.
For instance I would never own a car I consider ugly. You would have to pay me to own a cyber truck.
ZeroWashu@reddit
Well Tesla only has themselves to blame for that. They did not deliver on what they promised by a long shot. The range numbers at the top end are greatly off and there is no lower priced option. While the all wheel drive option gained a little range its price nearly doubled from $49,900 to $79,900. The RWD 250 mile range vehicle was supposed to be $39,900 but is now expected to be $60,990.
It would be okay to miss the costs expectations by ten and even twenty percent given six years but they missed them by 50% at for the base model and that is inexcusable and the market is right to say hell no.
2019 Model S was from $77k to $134k and now $80k to $94k. It was updated to be a much better vehicle and the base price barely budged.
The Cybertruck is actually a worse mistake than the X
Corsair4@reddit
The Cybertruck promised specs are absolutely laughable when you look back.
They promised 1000 horsepower (plaid powertrain), 500 miles of range, for 70k.
Now, trucks have absolutely shittastic aerodynamics, and 500 miles of range is longer than any Tesla is rated. So that means a significantly larger battery size than any Tesla. The Plaid at the time of announcement was 100 grand.
So, they were promising more battery than any Tesla, the most expensive powertrain, in a new body, for 30 grand less than the Plaid.
What they delivered was down 150 horsepower, only 320 miles of rated range, for 30 grand MORE than the initial price. Those aren't minor spec differences.
That's not "Well, we expected 350 miles, but EPA testing shows 337". That's "We are not even in the same fucking ballpark".
blainestang@reddit
Lucid is basically buying sales from the Model S with super cheap leases and Tesla isn’t trying. Cheapest lease is like $550 for Lucid and $900+ for Model S according to their websites today.
Same thing with Lightning vs Cybertruck. Platinum Lightnings are being leased for as little as $5xx/mo.
Price is definitely a driving factor for the X/S/Cybertruck market segments.
canikony@reddit
The S and X need to be completely overhauled. The interiors were recently refreshed but IMHO, are so far below what the competitors offer at similar price points. The exteriors have remained basically unchanged since they launched. Even if you park a first gen and a current gen next to each other, it would be kinda hard to know they werent the same exact car.
dezumondo@reddit
There is a smaller Y rumored.
HighHokie@reddit
There’s a lot to like about the ct…. At a much lower price point. Tesla will have to give in at some point.
lovely_sombrero@reddit
The rumor is that they are already losing money at the current prices. Only the more expensive models are profitable. A $50k Cybertruck would lose Tesla way too much money.
HighHokie@reddit
May very well be true, but the quality of tesla rumors have been dubious at best for the last several months and arguably much longer. Too many emotions around the subject for folks to be rational in either camp.
ymjcmfvaeykwxscaai@reddit
While I agree on some aspects of it, I think ev trucks in general still treated as a novelty item and the CT is the worst offender.
Partly they aren't making improvements on their first year release QA. While the internet exaggerates the trucks still have a lot of issues as per usual of a first year tesla launch. Tesla is way too big to keep continually not being able to build cars correctly. Especially considering how much their luxury models cost and depreciate, and how the service center experience has greatly degraded.
In the earlier days Tesla did a good job selling themselves through social media or word of mouth. Pretty much everyone knows what a tesla is now. (and has formed an opinion) They are not going to control the narrative on the cybertruck without marketing or PR.
I just don't think a RWD only, LFP chem cut down cybertruck would sell well. (probably also wouldn't qualify for tax credit)It just wouldn't solve any issues people say they have with it.
Key-Boat-7519@reddit
Seeing how Tesla's early models gained traction through social media buzz, it’s clear that the landscape's shifted. Those were new, innovative, and had minimal competition. Now, reliability and service quality matter more, especially for such pricey vehicles. I had a similar disappointment with the first EV truck I got, with tech issues and slower service. Cybertruck's futuristic design does spark interest, but it's a polarized market now. It’s interesting how tools like Quadagon, Trackman, and even Pulse for Reddit help brands manage perceptions and gather customer insights, amplifying discussions around product issues and market strategies.
HighHokie@reddit
I agree. The EV truck market is not lucrative as originally believed.
mdp300@reddit
The Hummer is...less shitth than the cybertruck, but it's still grogesquely huge.
Amish_EDM@reddit
Jeeze, I just noticed that the X is only $5k more than the S in both standard and plaid configurations. I bought a S back in 2016, still have it, still like it a lot. Hated Musk then, hate him more now. But at that point the X was like $30k more than the S. No wonder the S sales suck.
theflintseeker@reddit
Only thing the S really has going at this point is it looks a LOT better than the X. Still, would rather have a Lucid.
Amish_EDM@reddit
If I didn't have to look at it, I'd rather have a Lucid too - they're way better.
If my S wasn't paid off with free data and supercharging, it'd probably be long gone.
KyledKat@reddit
S sales basically nosedived when the 3 came out. People didn't want the Model S, they wanted a Tesla. And at $80k today, it's lunacy to spend luxury car money on Tesla build quality and minimalistic design, especially when a similarly-sized and loaded i5 M60 is negligibly more expensive.
lontrinium@reddit
Don't worry guys, I'm sure the new coupe will be out really really soon to save the company.
jse000@reddit
Once full self driving rolls out 2019, followed by the roadster in 2020, sales are going to explode
analyticaljoe@reddit
You made me LOL. I miss the old "gild a comment" system. Have an upvote good sir.
MaybeNext-Monday@reddit
Crazy that the Roadster is still vaporware. I’ve been hearing about the damn thing since I was in high school.
86Austin@reddit
it actually originally came out in the 00's, the debut was in february of 2008 lmao, that car is never going to be made.
LheelaSP@reddit
The original Roadster was an entirely different car and was actually sold. It sucked, but it existed.
jse000@reddit
Deliveries begin Q4 this year, trust me bro, I've already made a deposit
elon_free_hk@reddit
I requested my Tesla to cross the country from NYC to LA to pick me up back in 2018. I think it's still making its way...
gimpwiz@reddit
Don't forget! The semi truck was released years ago now and has huge market penetration, it's odd you don't see that in the quarterly report... or on the roads.
Michelanvalo@reddit
No no, the semi cab will save them.
DeeYumTofu@reddit
What scares me is that these cars are crazy overpowered for the cost so now you’re going to be getting buncha cheap Tesla cars sitting in lots for low credit owners and taxi drivers. It’ll be the new Nissan Altima but with 0-60 in 4.5 seconds.
analyticaljoe@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/NissanDrivers/ is not wrong here.
platinum_toilet@reddit
People are also not happy with a bunch of idiots vandalizing Teslas and Tesla dealerships. The destruction of property has been insane.
analyticaljoe@reddit
And that has been so random. This completely inexplicable vandalism is inexplicable. /s
The violence is in no way OK or justified, but it's not a leap to understand why.
Buck stops with the CEO.
B00marangTrotter@reddit
🎻
natesully33@reddit
Ah, Q1 results. Considering the Y refresh just happened that drop seems bad and is almost certainly political in nature. Though there might be some economic headwinds too.
I guess at this point Elon expects robots/FSD/whatever to save Tesla, or maybe that new cheaper car, but... it sure seems like the damage is done to me. I personally wouldn't buy a Tesla vehicle right now and it's not because I don't like the 3 and Y as cars in a vacuum.
blainestang@reddit
The refresh plant changeovers happened during Q1.
The sales drop is partly a reduction in production and partly political.
Sir_Justin@reddit
Is Juniper being delivered? Sales probably get a bump once they really start moving them
turb0_encapsulator@reddit
I didn't realize it was out until I went to the mall with a Tesla store in Century City and saw them there. One was actually being test driven. This was over a month ago. The fact that I haven't seen a single one on the road in Los Angeles tells you just how bad things are. Those "delivery" numbers are definitely made up and things are much, much worse than they are admitting.
blainestang@reddit
The very first ones were delivered to customers less than a month ago. There were display versions at stores a month before first deliveries.
canikony@reddit
I've seen at least 3 in the past 2 days where I live. Norcal but not near the bay area.
SPorterBridges@reddit
Only started in China at the end of February. Won't be available in Europe until middle of 2nd quarter.
w0nderbrad@reddit
Yea and they aren’t selling at all. I can get one delivered TODAY. Used to be 1-3 month wait for new models since they were built to spec. Every color and wheel combination available for delivery today. Demand cratered and I bet there’s been a ton of cancellations.
tech01x@reddit
In the US, they only offer the Launch Edition. They haven't yet opened up full orders for all models.
tsrich@reddit
I'm seeing 2-4 weeks in NC
LegendaryOutlaw@reddit
I mean they also opened a massive second factory in Austin, where as before they were building all US models in Fremont. They're output has greatly increased, that probably has a big part in why you can get a Model Y faster now.
FourEyesAndThighs@reddit
Yes, there have been several delivered around Texas and the Bay Area.
Sir_Justin@reddit
Oh interesting haven't seen any yet myself
HighHokie@reddit
Finally saw one this morning. They did a good job on the refresh. Looks good on the road. Shame they also shot their own foot at the same time.
Sir_Justin@reddit
Heh yeah, maybe can grab a used one for cheap soon!
nonaveris@reddit
Given the good prices as of late, the Model 3 isn’t a bad jump from a hybrid.
sicilian504@reddit
So anyone want some chinese for lunch?
Missus_Missiles@reddit
Succulent Chinese?
BayLAGOON@reddit
I see you know your judo well.
2Drogdar2Furious@reddit
And then?
xXxLordViperScorpion@reddit
No and then!
Aromatic_Fail_1722@reddit
And then and then and then and then!
TempleSquare@reddit
aNd tHeN!!!
DH64@reddit
Hell yeah, shrimp fried rice sounds so good right now
analyticaljoe@reddit
I am done with any Tesla car until Elon is no longer CEO and divested such that my dollars do not contribute to his success. Fuck Elon.
hawtfabio@reddit
And the stock pumps 12%. Absolute rig job.
ferdiazgonzalez@reddit
Well, his brand catered to hipster and cultured/conscious environmentalists, which are by definition left-leaning.
This was the expected consequence after he began his rehashed neofascist crusade.
BannytheBoss@reddit
But those are the ones with incomes outside of the market for Tesla's... both above and below. Those who are within the definition of right-leaning usually are within the definition of middle class.
dezumondo@reddit
A robotaxi with only two doors.
xdr01@reddit
end of Q2 where the calamity will be reported.
forrann@reddit
Good
ThickIndication5134@reddit
That's what happens when you alienate your core customer base and appeal to people that could never afford your products.
Intrepidatious@reddit
Q@ will be an utter disaster. A lot of the "backlash" didn't come until Q1 was half over.
analyticaljoe@reddit
Looking forward to giving my Tesla to charity. F this guy.
I really like EVs but until he's no longer CEO and divested his stock, I will never purchase another car made by Tesla.
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Gentlemanqq@reddit
Buying a car nowadays is as hard as getting married newly so sales in general I believe are getting lower including Tesla that has many other companies rivaling it
derobmai@reddit
Up 5% for the day somehow. People keep believing TSLA will somehow be able to sustain this insane valuation even though they don't sell cars and don't have any other products.
thefanciestcat@reddit
People think this is the dip.
MaybeNext-Monday@reddit
Time to play “outsmart the automod” to make even the most basic statement about this
watermustard@reddit
Chess not checkers
turb0_encapsulator@reddit
those "delivery" numbers are also definitely made up.
Legate_Retardicus84@reddit
Only good electric car is a dead electric car
Dilderika@reddit
Way to stick it to musk who owns what 12%?
Trollygag@reddit
Different sources say different things, but the more common number is just over 20%, which makes up about 40% of his net worth after he sold a bunch to buy Twitter - which also has lost most of its value.
So... pretty painful.
Oh_ffs_seriously@reddit
He used one of his other companies to "buy" Twitter for 45 billion.
TGUKF@reddit
It was an all stock deal, so he didn't pull any cash out.
TrumpPooPoosPants@reddit
Does Tesla still require a supermajority in their bylaws? If so, TSLA insiders have a lot more sway than that number lets on.
cidthekid07@reddit
He’s the face of the company even at 12%.
ymjcmfvaeykwxscaai@reddit
It's not just that he's the face of the company. he's also responsible for all of their terrible decisions they've made over the last few years. However, it's been great for pumping the stock I guess so we won't see any chance unless they boot him out once it gets to unacceptable levels.
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Mudbug117@reddit
Just a casual 100 billion oh his net worth, no biggy
EmergencyRace7158@reddit
Its more than just his stake in TSLA that’s impacted. He’s leveraged his TSLA stake multiple times into cash that he’s used for all of his activities. Its the base of his pyramid and destroying it destroys him. Tbf even after the sellofff this year the stock is trading at 10x fundamentals so there’s a long, long way down.
Forsaken_Bend7232@reddit
Lulz
RealisticMost@reddit
Yeah the sales are down, but expected it to go down much more.
bockers007@reddit
So baffling these posts. I see teslas growing on the freeways of SoCal every damn day. They are everywhere, paper plates too so ppl are buying. So confusing when you see these posts. Fabricated.
JDMClassics@reddit
So just so we're clear, you're saying that these sales numbers, which were reported by Tesla, are actually a fabricated plot by Tesla to make Tesla look bad?
bockers007@reddit
It’s like the sixth sense. They’re everywhere. ⚡️
JDMClassics@reddit
I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that it was possible for me stutter through text, so I'll ask again: who are you saying is fabricating these numbers? Because they're from Tesla's own report.
bockers007@reddit
You can stutter through texts? TIL
JDMClassics@reddit
It's all right man, I pretend I was just trolling when I post something real dumb too.
bockers007@reddit
No need to pretend.
jse000@reddit
So Tesla released fake numbers?
jse000@reddit
They're literally Tesla's own delivery numbers, what are you smoking?
bockers007@reddit
It’s like the sixth sense, they’re everywhere. Teslas here and there. SoCal freeways are loaded.
jse000@reddit
I see Nissans everywhere, they must be doing great
bockers007@reddit
In SoCal Nissans Altimas are known as gangs banger cars. Thats the stereotype. If you see them run away.
jse000@reddit
Get help
bockers007@reddit
Get a helper
Honorablemention69@reddit
This needs to happen over the American food supply but nope orange man and all his friends bad! This same thing needs to happen to Pepsi co,general mills etc…… for poison in Americans food!
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V12TT@reddit
I thought politics were banned here.
yamsyamsya@reddit
how is this political?
sicilian504@reddit
This is a Tesla post. On a cars subreddit. Not a Musk post.
LeChiz32@reddit
This is just a statement based on facts delivered by Tesla and the stock market.
TurboSalsa@reddit
Fight woke, go broke.
cozy_tapir@reddit
go fash, lose cash
Reygle@reddit
Good. More.
deprivedchild@reddit
Oh no.
Anyway…
Previous_Composer934@reddit
good
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