Is it ok to go to a mediocre college if I want to be an airline pilot?
Posted by Terrible_Onions@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 71 comments
title. For context, I live in South Korea so the prestigiousness of the university matters a lot to everyone. But I want to become a pilot in the states with a part 61 instead of a part 141 so I don’t have to deal with American college applications. I heard a degree is needed to be an airline pilot these days. Does the university where I got the degree matter? I will keep studying but just wanted to take a bit of stress off my shoulders
clearedasfiled@reddit
College isn’t even a requirement. You will be good with whatever.
Upbeat-Creme-2762@reddit
Dude, I went to Liberty lol. All I knew was that a local flight school used their program and their program was a 141 approved by the VA. It wasn’t until after I transferred and was accepted that I found out it was a Jesus college haha. Anyway the classes were super easy and all online, I have yet to have a recruiter even bat an eye when I tell them where I went to school, they just check a box and move on.
Terrible_Onions@reddit (OP)
Ah I see. That's a relief for sure. So you can be a pilot even with online colleges
disfannj@reddit
Even drying Covid, no one cares about my ivy league degree. It wasn't even mentioned...a degree just checks a box. The only time is when Riddle grads say they went to the Harvard of flying. lol
AltitudeEdge@reddit
In these times (and by “these times” I don’t mean right this moment but in this general day and age) you honestly don’t even need to go to college at all. The pilot shortage that has been talked about for decades has finally come to fruition. The only reason hiring has slowed as of recently is due to aircraft availability, and as soon as that clears up we can expect more explosive growth. Most major airlines have dropped their degree requirements as a result.
That being said, I would not necessarily recommend not getting a degree. But as others have said, there is no advantage to a prestigious school. The short answer to your question is, yes, it is definitely okay to go to a “mediocre” college.
The most important thing is to study something that you are genuinely interested in. Something that you will enjoy and excel in. If for no other reason than to have a backup career if aviation does not work out for any reason.
Best of luck to you! It is one of the best times ever to get into this industry.
No-Cabinet-7088@reddit
You think that there is a 'pilot shortage'?
lolwut?
AltitudeEdge@reddit
Absolutely! I was a CFI when it hit the CFI level, I was at the regionals when it hit the regional level, and now I’m at the majors and it’s hitting at that level. Massive retirements are hitting everyone. If you look at Southwest Airlines (using them as an example because they have historically been one of the hardest airlines to get on with) they used to require a 737 type rating, 1000 turbine PIC hours, and to be competitive you needed over 5000 hours and pretty much had to either have a military background or be a check airman at a regional. First they dropped the 737 type rating requirement. Then they dropped the 1000 TPIC requirement, and slowly over the last few years kept dropping requirements until they got down to 500 turbine preferred! They used to require a year before you could re-apply. Before they stopped hiring last year that had dropped to 3 months! I’ll say it again. The ONLY reason hiring has slowed recently is because the growth plans that the airlines have been hiring for over the last few years have been halted due to unanticipated aircraft manufacturing delays. They hired massively to try to get ahead of the curve, but then when they couldn’t get airplanes they found themselves overstaffed. This is temporary.
No-Cabinet-7088@reddit
I don't think you have looked at the number of ATP licenses that have been issued in recent years compared to retirements.
Have you done that?
AltitudeEdge@reddit
All I know is from the time I joined the industry in 2003, the time it took for someone to go from zero time to captain at a major went from 25 years to under 5 years. Pay went from Regional FOs starting at $20K per year and widebody CAs topping out at $120K, to regional FOs stating at $100K and widebody CAs topping out at $600K. Thats a pretty big indication of how supply vs demand has changed! No I haven’t analyzed the number of ATPs vs retirements but growth is a factor too, not just attrition. But the talks of raising the retirement age to 67 certainly doesn’t say to me that there is a long term surplus expected. While I may not have seen the numbers on paper, I’ve been in the industry for two decades and I’ve seen with my own eyes what is actually happening.
No-Cabinet-7088@reddit
Pay has improved, and yes, some of that has to do with supply.....somewhat.
Be careful about substituting one anecdotal experience for what the aggregate data say. Again, I suggest you look at the number of ATP licenses issued per year compared to the number of pilots that are retiring. It is an eye opener.
Terrible_Onions@reddit (OP)
I’m currently 16. Do you think the job market will be as good as it is now around 5-10 years from now?
No-Cabinet-7088@reddit
The job market isn't 'good now' as far as hiring.
AltitudeEdge@reddit
True, but this is due to aircraft manufacturing delays. Kind of an unprecedented time, as all of the airlines want to be growing but can’t. It’s a temporary setback.
No-Cabinet-7088@reddit
You haven't looked at the number of ATP licenses issued over time compared to the number of retirements?
AltitudeEdge@reddit
I do, simply based on attrition and growth plans for the airlines. There will be strong demand for pilots for the foreseeable future. However, this is assuming AI doesn’t reduce the need for pilots. If I had to make a guess, judging by how slow the FAA is to certify new technology, pilotless or even single piloted airplane are a LONG way off. Most likely beyond the career span of anyone getting into the industry. However, it is a possibility that it could be a factor on the horizon, and that is all the more reason to have a backup.
Terrible_Onions@reddit (OP)
The only thing that convinces me AI isn’t replacing pilots soon is that trains are still running mostly with humans. And planes are much more difficult to operate having so many more variables
Terrible_Onions@reddit (OP)
and Orange man doing everything to dismantle the government certainly helps in this regard
DarthStrakh@reddit
Very few jobs here care about what college you go to and a pilot def isnt one of them.
Hell for many stem fields here if yoy can pass a technical interview they don't really care if you even went to college.
Terrible_Onions@reddit (OP)
Technical interview? Does flight school (part 61) cover that?
DarthStrakh@reddit
Uh. I think you misread, STEM is like all science and math fields, I was generalizing.
Don't worry man, you can go part 61 without a degree and get a job even. A degree is extra, not a requirement.
No-Cabinet-7088@reddit
Current hiring usually reflects those that have a degree. It ain't 2022 any longer.
DarthStrakh@reddit
Can* not likely. I mean even with a degree you don't have much of a sure fire chance at the job rn
No-Cabinet-7088@reddit
Yeah, hiring is really slow and will be for quite a while. I'm surprised at the amount of people that don't know that or are in denial about that. There is an oversupply of pilots with their ratings right now, and will be for a while.
AltitudeEdge@reddit
The growth plans and attrition rates from 2022 have not changed. The reason for this temporary hiring setback is because there was massive hiring in 2022/2023 in anticipation of a shortage of pilots, but now because of a shortage of airplanes, they find themselves overstaffed. Once deliveries get back to on track, so will hiring.
No-Cabinet-7088@reddit
You haven't looked at the ATP certificate numbers issued over time?
TrowelProperly@reddit
Yeah man, dont worry about it. Theres no shame for not going to the equivalent of Seoul University in North America. People dont look down on you, and many do not even have a degree.
Don't sweat it.
Terrible_Onions@reddit (OP)
even say the equivalent of community college or something in the middle of nowhere?
tmccrn@reddit
A community college will only get you a two year degree… you’ll still need to finish the last two years
Terrible_Onions@reddit (OP)
I meant the equivalent prestige of a community colllege in Korea. Community colleges don’t exist here just random universities in the countryside
tmccrn@reddit
A college degree is a college degree in the US. Who you meet, who you know, and the experiences you seek out will help make the connections, but for a pilot, the prestige colleges for academics are pretty irrelevant. The flight schools with feeders into an airline program are relevant
auxilary@reddit
the only folks i’ve ever seen chastised for where they went to college are Embry Riddle kids. and for the most part, they deserve it lol.
but no, it won’t matter if your 4 year degree is from
Terrible_Onions@reddit (OP)
That’s a relief for sure
auxilary@reddit
you can actually use this to your advantage a bit: find somewhere in the states that has good weather most of the year, or a city you have friends and/or family in. or just a city you’ve always wanted to live in.
even the smaller college towns are a lot of fun and very diverse. I’m thinking Gainesville, FL (UF), Athens, GA (UGA), Knoxville, TN (UT), College Station, PA (Penn), Portland, ME (UM): all super cool cities to live in while you pursue your degree and ratings
Terrible_Onions@reddit (OP)
I was considered finishing my degree in korea then moving to America for the part 61. That way I don’t have to deal with SATs and the american college application system
auxilary@reddit
oh i see now. understood!
same logic still applies though i reckon. you’ve got a lot of America to choose from.
Raccoon_Ratatouille@reddit
Yes. Nobody cares about the college, gpa or major except in the toughest of hiring times. Just check the box and move on
No-Cabinet-7088@reddit
The 'easy hiring' is over. It isn't 2022 any longer.
Raccoon_Ratatouille@reddit
True, but with thousands of legacy hires this year I wouldn’t say it’s historically hard either. I’d say GPA/elite college/technical major won’t matter until that drops into the 2 or 3 digits per year, sim evaluations come back, etc.
Impossible-Bad-2291@reddit
Seems to work out for some Riddle grads.
No-Cabinet-7088@reddit
Is it working out for them though in this hiring environment? Nobody is really hiring in any meaningful numbers at regionals.
Impossible-Bad-2291@reddit
I was trying to make a joke about that particular college being a mediocre college.
Bastinglobster@reddit
College wise not really, at the end of the day some offer more alumni, more opportunities to connect with professionals, and more. However at the end of the day you still get the same ratings and usually the same amount of debt. What does separate other colleges is the student organizations and the earlier mentioned connections
Any_Subject_2966@reddit
Yes it’s fine. They don’t really care what your degree is in or anything. They just like to see that you have one
DudeWithAnOldRRC@reddit
Also curious if graduate degrees help in the hiring process. Obviously it doesn’t hurt but does having an MBA give me any edge?
zero_xmas_valentine@reddit
Not for a basic pilot position, no.
If you ever want to go to the VP level or something, yeah probably.
DudeWithAnOldRRC@reddit
10-4, thanks
No-Cabinet-7088@reddit
Not really.
alexromo@reddit
The best part is college isn’t required
Terrible_Onions@reddit (OP)
I heard for airlines like delta or United you needed a degree
RussVan@reddit
Technically not required. But practically yes. Especially if hiring is slow
SpiritFlight404@reddit
Right to work USA?
Degree does help a lot and may be required in the future. Institution does in fact help in getting hired. UND, Perdue, and embry riddle are popular choices.
zero_xmas_valentine@reddit
By "current or historical hiring preferences" I assume you mean the approximately 4-year period which will never occur again where you couldn't get turned down by an airline unless you showed up to the interview actively smelling like weed.
Guam671Bay@reddit
A certain legacy carrier has a new VP of flight ops. His degree is from University of Phoenix.
Terrible_Onions@reddit (OP)
Isn’t that a good state university?
No-Cabinet-7088@reddit
No.....online university.
A1R_Lxiom@reddit
It does not matter. All they care about is if you’re able to cough up the money to attend their flight school.
Terrible_Onions@reddit (OP)
That most likely won’t be a problem. I just want to make sure I can actually be an airline pilot with a mediocre degree
Tiny_Breakfast_7657@reddit
You can be an airline pilot with no degree
No-Cabinet-7088@reddit
Not so much any longer.
AssistantAstronaut@reddit
I’ve never met anyone that had any idea my university even existed. All 3 of the ones I went to lol.
Anthem00@reddit
do you have the right to work in the US ? specifically green card or passport ? You wont get a work visa from any airlines without a right to work. Otherwise you must choose one of the places you have a right to work (like S Korea).
StPauliBoi@reddit
I’m surprised that virtually nobody has mentioned this.
extremefuzz777@reddit
Doesn't matter whatsoever. When it comes down to it, the degree is nothing more than a checkbox and a filtering mechanism for a bloated applicant pool. Even the major doesn't matter, just that you have the degree. Having a "prestigious" degree can just as easily work against you as much as it can help you.
AdAmazing8187@reddit
I know people who got their online degrees basically clicking a screensaver for a few weeks. They're captains at majors now
ryan0157@reddit
I went to a community college and I’m an airline pilot if that answers your question
cuttawhiske@reddit
Same!
flyingforfun3@reddit
Same! Then a cheap university for a bachelors in staring at paint dry (business).
BabiesatemydingoNSW@reddit
I excelled at watching paint dry. We must have the same degree.
Terrible_Onions@reddit (OP)
Oh lol. Thanks.
s2soviet@reddit
It’s more about the student, than the institution!
rFlyingTower@reddit
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title. For context, I live in South Korea so the prestigiousness of the university matters a lot to everyone. But I want to become a pilot in the states with a part 61 instead of a part 141 so I don’t have to deal with American college applications. I heard a degree is needed to be an airline pilot these days. Does the university where I got the degree matter? I will keep studying but just wanted to take a bit of stress off my shoulders
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