Intel confirms Panther Lake as a 2026 Client product, discrete GPUs also get a nod
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cjj19970505@reddit
Intel's messaging around PTL is so bad. They kept saying 25H2 last year will be PTL's launch, and weeks ago a leak from China said its a 2026Q1, and just days before Intel Innovation, Letter from new CEO says "We will further enhance our position in the second half of this year with the launch of Panther Lake[1]". And now here in Intel Innovation they mark it as a 2026 product but saying entering mass production in 2025H2.
So is there a delay or not? It doesn't matter what execute you made about the date you claim (Intel can just claim the "launch" day being the day chips being hand to OEMs), the only launch date cusuomer reconized it's the date that the producted being shipped to our hands.
[1] https://www.intc.com/filings-reports/all-sec-filings/content/0000050863-25-000052/a2024arsform10-k.pdf
auradragon1@reddit
Almost certainly volume production in late 2025, then 1 or 2 laptop will do a vaporware launch just so Intel can say 2H2025. The real volume will come in Q1 2026.
cjj19970505@reddit
Then that should also be the case with MTL and LNL, but they didn't say MTL is a 2024 product and LNL is a 2025 product.
auradragon1@reddit
Depends a lot on the timing. LNL was ready by September. So it ramped up in the last 3 months of 2024.
PTL now confirms it's 2026. They'll do a vaporware launch in late 2025 so they can technically claim 2025 launch.
Exist50@reddit
But that's the key. Even though MTL has essentially no 2025 volume, they always called it a 2025 product on slides. So it stands to reason that PTL will have no availability till '26.
Chronia82@reddit
Isn't this kind of always the case though, looking at it from the business side of things. I can't really think of any launches where Intel didn't 'launch' in Q3 or Q4, i.e. the products are on ARK. But then the laptops our customers use (Dell Latitude / XPS (now Dell Pro / Pro Max i believe), HP Probook / Elite book, Z Series and the likes only come out in Q1 or Q2 (atleast after stuff like CES).
Exist50@reddit
Not quite. Intel usually has at least a token availability in their claimed launch year, even if it's only one or two devices in December. More to the point, they will always name that year for the product introduction, even if the vast majority of volume was in the following one. For Intel to be publicly saying 2026 implies we don't even get token availability in '25. This is particularly notable in light of Intel's previous insistence that devices would indeed be available on shelves.
jaaval@reddit
Yeah, and this slide is very ambiguous. It doesn’t technically say anything about launch. It might as well mean that their 2026 client product line will be panther lake. Which can be true regardless of when it launches.
Exist50@reddit
They claimed devices would be available in 2025, so yes, it's unquestionably a delay. But intel has a habit of not admitting to those kind of things.
ExeusV@reddit
Seems like if you ignore some random leak, then it is somewhat consistent that they'll launch in 25H2, but majority of it will be in 26?
Tiny-Sugar-8317@reddit
Launch event in 2025Q4, actual availability in 2026Q1.
meshreplacer@reddit
3% improvement in performance probably as well. Intel has hit a brick wall.
Arkaloaf@reddit
Who is even buying Intel anymore? Generally asked question, I‘ve only seen people buy these because it was just in a laptop and they didn’t know what it actually had in it.
At this point the Desktop Ultra chips are so unpopular there aren’t even many motherboards for them.
I gotta say I really hope with Intels new CEO they might be able to revive themselves but surely what as been damaged cannot be repaired.
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