Scientists release plans for an even bigger atom smasher to address the mysteries of physics
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Hdfgncd@reddit
Just one more accelerator bro I just need another accelerator this one will cost a thousand morbillion dollars and it will finally prove the existence of the doesn’t-interact-or-affect-anything particle we’re finally going to solve physics this will finally figure it all out please man we just need one more accelerator
PhoenixKingMalekith@reddit
By this logic, science would have never advanced.
Glass-Shock5882@reddit
That's what "Traditionalists" want, the ancestors were all knowledgeable, you know, being afraid to eat pig meat because it was possessed by the Devil and killed Man, it couldn't be that undercooked pork often has trichinosis from the parasitic worm trichinella. But hold up, that's why everyone should be vegan! Not that thousands of people get sick or die from E Coli on vegetables yearly.
I hate people and "culture".
Karahi00@reddit
This is one of the stupidest comments I've read. You go from (rightfully) dunking on superstitious reasoning to explain disease to dunking on vegans over E coli from lettuce, without realizing that E coli contamination is from animal manure because e coli typically resides in the lower intestines of animals.
"I hate people and culture."
Yeah, wouldn't it be nice if people would do even a little bit of research before they say something stupid?
Glass-Shock5882@reddit
There are no animals on farms? Just endless fields of lettuce. Also, it's but one example, if you want to be a fucking prick about it tons of ways to get cross containmination. So again, thanks for proving my point.
Karahi00@reddit
It comes from fertilizing with poorly composted animal manure, unsafe contact with animal products during handling or fecal contamination runoff.
If you were taking the vegan position, which is an end to all animal enslavement and exploitation, then presumably people wouldn't be getting sick or dying from E coli on vegetables because there wouldn't be anywhere near the exposure to animal fecal matter as there is in a world of massive industrial animal agriculture. (Around 75% of agricultural land is used to feed animals, and only about 25% is to feed humans, for perspective on the shit production and exposure in our food system.)
I know you're probably thinking "haha, these idiot vegans didn't consider that wild rabbits exists and also poop?" And sure, they do. But there's a big difference between wild animal biomass and industrial scale animal agriculture biomass and the resultant fecal production and transmission of bacterial contaminants, including novel pathogens resultant from encroachment on diminishing wilderness spaces.
From my standpoint, you're the one being a prick because you got a big head and a haughty attitude over a subject you know nothing about, saying you hate people and "culture" as if you're a special genius who can rise above the zealous masses and now you're mad because you were told off. 🤷
Glass-Shock5882@reddit
No, I am mad you're a naive troll. The places with the most foodborn illness are not known for industrial scale meat production. If this was the case it would be US, China, Argentina, etc, not Nigeria, South Africa, etc. Your entire premise is flawed from the hurr durr if they weren't enslaved there wouldn't be E Coli. This wishful thinking is beyond aggreviating, as if transitioning will magically fix it. I get it, hope is a powerful drug, but also fucking stop and come back to earth.
Karahi00@reddit
Hurr durr
MrOphicer@reddit
Truth but maybe we should settle pressing affairs to play with the mysteries of the universE?
moderngamer327@reddit
Then science would never develop which is the primary driving behind improving the quality of life
MrOphicer@reddit
So much of the science, especially in the medical field, came from horrid experiments that would make the general population's skin crawl.
And we have the means now to use that money to stabilize society and take care of immediate needs. We have the tech and means to do that now. Everything, if anything, A bigger collider would reveal, would only marginally improve QOL.
And don't confuse my stance with anti-science. I'm very pro-science. But I'm also pro-humanity, and its in a pretty dire state right now.
Hdfgncd@reddit
I’m just salty the American mega accelerator wasn’t made, fermilab wasn’t chosen for it, and the tevatron got shut down
ParticularClassroom7@reddit
Particle physicists coming up with novel experimental methods challenge (impossible)
gerkletoss@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IceCube_Neutrino_Observatory
Prasiatko@reddit
It's amazing how much he diversified after his rap career.
NPVT@reddit
Creating that blackhole that will swallow the Earth
leto78@reddit
While I am a great fan of CERN, I question the value of creating a more powerful particle accelerator. The current situation in particle physics is quite different from when CERN was first built. Yes, if you don't build a new accelerator, we will lose the know-how on building and operating very large particle accelerators. However, there is an opportunity cost in building CERN, such as not funding a different multi-decades large laboratory. The ISS and CERN are the two of the biggest scientific laboratories ever made. But what other laboratories could we build instead?
Legiyon54@reddit
I am shocked how many anti science people they are. Like that term is used a lot derogatory, for the people whose opinions differ from another's, but this thread really showcases how many people just don't like investing into actual scientific advancement. From the right, it's usually things about GMOs or things like this (CERN in particular). From the left it's usually related to ai or space industry ("why go to space when we havent fixed problems here" ignoring space helps us down here immensely and how low space agencies' budgets usually are)
I sometimes feel like I am genuienly one of the few "progressives" in the world where I just eanna see scientific advancment go as quickly as possible (as long as it's safe, of course). Investing into science only helps the mankind in the longrun, despite us not seeing the results in the short term. I can't even list how many things we wouldn't hsve today if some of that military/healthcare budget wasn't diverted into scientific endeavours
angrybats@reddit
This was a thoughtful comment. I think I'm pretty pro-science but I doubt I would support a project if it's in bad hands. I only like progress when no one is hurt (this applies to humans, animals and environment) and I don't think the "but I did it for science!!" is always a good excuse for everything.
SignificantSite4588@reddit
Particle physics has been notorious for sucking up funding and publishing nothingburgers for the past fifty years . I’d rather the funding be diverted to more niche areas of science and arts than keep putting the money in the black hole of particle and high energy physics .
BabyJesus246@reddit
I'm guessing it's safe to say you're nowhere near qualified to determine what is a meaningful discovery in the field of physics.
SignificantSite4588@reddit
My qualifications are irrelevant to your demonstrated talent for missing the point
Kickback476@reddit
Without qualifications how can you judge the impact of a scientific theory?
Explain that to me
BabyJesus246@reddit
Right, can't let a crazy thing like knowledge get in the way of our opinions.
SignificantSite4588@reddit
Sure . All knowledge = particle physics . Got it .
Soepoelse123@reddit
CERN is an Institute that pushes science to its limits. Previously, many inventions have been pioneered from CERN, including the very internet that we are currently using.
SignificantSite4588@reddit
CERN was and is a mistake . It has realistically not produced anything of value . CERN did not create the internet . It created HTML . Internet was created as ARPANET by DARPA and tcp/ip comms stacks was written in the US .
SimplisticPinky@reddit
Something of value that you could take away from a blurb on CERN's website is how to properly use your phone's keyboard.
Rindan@reddit
Oh you sweet summer children. They think Europe's and a bunch of other nations are going to join hands and build a new particle accelerator that will cost tens of billions of dollars on the off chance that we might discover something neat.
There is absolutely 0% chance of this happening. Europe needs to rearm, and European policy makers fully understand this, even if these scientists haven't gotten the memo yet. In the battle between rearmament and the European welfare state, science projects like this are roadkill. Sorry, projects like this were for a more hopeful time. It's plow shears to swords time now.
ShootmansNC@reddit
Not everyone buys the fearmongering being sold by the politicians and people like you.
Soepoelse123@reddit
Europe has and will continue to support science. Its a relatively minor dollar amount seeing that its paid over 40 years
showerbridge@reddit
It would be easier if we in Europe weren't so cucked by America and we're able to think for ourselves... Imagine how stupid it is to go to war with our biggest oil trade partner.
Like things were working fine until George Bush said he wanted Ukraine and Georgia in NATO.
We should have rearmed long ago and got rid of NATO, USA have too much influence over Europe.
Old_Wallaby_7461@reddit
Insane how people like you still can't see that this has nothing to do with NATO.
Putin grew up in a superpower. He wants it back. He thinks he can get it back by taking people's land. NATO is just in the way.
LividAd9642@reddit
Delusional nonsense. The Russians fear the West, as anyone outside of it does, since the "rules based order" is a battered inside joke for a long time.
harpunenkeks@reddit
Thats like saying the rapist is actually afraid of his victim. We gave Russia billions and billions of dollars for their gas and oil, we abandoned most of our military and security in general, everyone in Europe wanted to leave the cold war in the past. What does Russia? Invades Ukraine and starts attacking europe with massive misinformation campaigns (2014). And STILL most of our leaders literally ignored all of russias attacks, provocations and attempts to undermine our democracies because they wanted the cheap money. Russia has not a single reason to be afraid of the "West". Heck, putin cripples his own economy just to stay in power. And now you come here and try to lecture us how everyone "fears the west". It would be funny if it wasn't so sad
LividAd9642@reddit
Every action taken by Russia can be understood as a reaction to Western pressures and interests encroaching on their perceived national security. Your post is mostly babbling nonsense. The part about undermining democracies sounds even funnier for someone from outside the West.
harpunenkeks@reddit
You have really not the slightest idea about european geopolitics apparently (or global geopolitics, the way you try to paint the "West" as a single block where everyone is like the usa?). The crap you are repeating here is just the same blatantly revisionist stuff that russian propaganda channels are blasting into the world for the last decade and more.
Old_Wallaby_7461@reddit
Russia does not fear the west at all. Russia thinks the west is decaying and feeble.
LividAd9642@reddit
Even if that were the case, I'm not sure if it is. That doesn't disprove anything.
Old_Wallaby_7461@reddit
It disproves your entire comment.
LividAd9642@reddit
Well, why'd a decaying and feeble West not be dangerous, especially if it has a great relative economic, industrial, populational, and military power compared to Russia? Even if the discourse is what you say it is, although the nuances are about cultural issues, it doesn't disprove one bit the fact that Russia is afraid of the West. The bravado you might perceive as a threat is a show of resolve when faced with a much more overwhelming entity which has proven time and time again to be an aggressive, colonial and imperialist force around the world. You are probably way too deep to understand.
SymphoDeProggy@reddit
Agree with the sentiment, but it's easy to take it to a reductive degree.
Scientific advancement can have great strategic importance.
Not that i think higher energy research per se will be the thing that unlocks a new tier of capabilities, but i wouldn't want to see research budgets getting cannibalized for defense in general.
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