Israeli forces to seize ‘large areas’ of Gaza
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Posted by tallzmeister@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 99 comments
eternalmortal@reddit
What else does Hamas respond to? They haven't responded to aid. They haven't responded to military defeat. They haven't responded to casualties. The only and ultimate defeat for Hamas - the movement whose primary stated goal is removing Jews from the land - is for the Jewish state to actively take land. This is a worse humiliation for Hamas than any death, or any defeat on the field.
Hamas remains in power because no matter how badly they continue to lose, their narrative remains that all the defeat and death is a stepping stone to abolishing and removing Israel and all Jews from the land. They can spin deaths as propaganda wins to gain foreign allies to their cause. They can claim every hard-fought loss in battle claims Israeli lives and is therefore a step towards Israel losing the will to fight. The only thing they cannot spin as leading to ultimate victory is further loss of territory. Losing land breaks their narrative and leads to a drop in local support - just look at the anti-Hamas protests in Gaza over the past week.
Unfortunately this is Israel communicating with Hamas on their own level. The war will continue until Hamas admits defeat, surrenders unconditionally, and leaves power in Gaza. Israel believes that any end to the war that leaves Hamas in power will just lead to more war down the line, and it's hard to disagree.
To be clear, I don't think Israel should permanently occupy Gaza at all and their leaving Gaza in 2005 was ultimately a good thing, and hope that a final peace involves a democratic civilian government with control over the totality of Gaza. Hopefully when Hamas leaves Gaza and constant rocket attacks into Israel stop permanently a peaceful Palestinian state can develop.
ChipsTheKiwi@reddit
Hamas have been offering for over a fucking year to surrender all hostages in exchange for a ceasefire and every single time Israel has declined. You are a liar, and you know you are a liar.
ShikaStyleR@reddit
That's not true. They also want every single Palestinian prisoner released. Including convicted murderers and rapists
ChipsTheKiwi@reddit
You're aware the vast majority of Israels prisoners (read: hostages) are being held indefinitely without trial, correct?
ShikaStyleR@reddit
First of all, not the vast majority. You can find the numbers online.
Secondly, those aren't the ones Hamas cares about. Go and look up what Sinwar was arrested for before the previous prisoner deal.
He murdered Palestinians with his bare hands.
Klytus_Ra_Djaaran@reddit
Some of the Palestinians held hostage by Israel committed war crimes, some attacked legitimate targets like Israeli police or Israeli soldiers, and many are simply political prisoners. Any of them tried and convicted in a military court lacked due process or a fair trial, and no determination can be made about their guilt or innocence for that reason.
Hamas offered an all-for-all hostage deal on day one, Israel rejected it because they saw opportunities to steal land and commit more murders of Palestinians. Every time Palestinians have tried to work out some deal, Israel has rejected or broken it, as they see Palestinians as obstacles to their Lebensraum policy and not humans.
ShikaStyleR@reddit
Military court is fair trial and due process though 🤔 so the entire first paragraph is based on a wrong premise.
And good that Israel rejected it. Hamas needs to be eradicated from the top down, they shouldn't even be negotiated with. Fuck Netanyahu for even entertaining the idea.
arab-xenon@reddit
When your neighbor gets civil court and you get military court and the punishments are different we call that apartheid.
When Israel does it and you point that out it’s called ANTISEMETISM 🤣
ShikaStyleR@reddit
It's called occupation. The Palestinians had multiple offers to end the occupation, they refused every single time
arab-xenon@reddit
The occupier who is doing occupation gave those occupied multiple garbage options so it’s the occupiers fault! /s apartheid enthusiast
ShikaStyleR@reddit
Oh hey I guess they didn't want a deal to end the occupation. Surely they should keep fighting and dying then. Nothing makes you happier than dead Palestinians it seems.
You'd notice that we Jews actually understand what the most important thing is. It's life. So in retrospect, and also back then, we would've preferred to strike a deal with Hitler if it meant saving millions. Some did, like the Irgun and Lehi, and we are thankful to them for that
Klytus_Ra_Djaaran@reddit
Israel could leave at any point and end the occupation and the conflict, yet they choose not to. There is nothing the Palestinians can do to end it besides make the occupation more painful for the aggressors. But thanks for explaining your fascism and support for the Nazi-allied Jewish terrorists.
ShikaStyleR@reddit
There was a conflict before 1967, so the occupation isn't the reason for the conflict
Klytus_Ra_Djaaran@reddit
Yes and no. The ethnic cleansing and war crimes carried out by the Nazi-allied Jewish terrorists set the stage for the Israeli nation-state. Their ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians and the horrific war crimes they committed left a lasting impression on their victims. The 1967 war Israel launched was part of their lust to steal more land, the armed resistance to Israeli tyranny in Gaza and the West Bank began in earnest during the First Intifada. The current War to Subjegate Palestine has not stopped since 1967, so it is an extension of that colonial war.
ShikaStyleR@reddit
Nazi allied Jewish terrorists... Ok...
The only one who was allowed with the Nazis at the time was the Palestinian Grand Mufti. And no, the Haavara agreement was not an alliance
arab-xenon@reddit
So it’s a semantics argument. Occupiers love playing the semantics game. It’s a partnership agreement not an alliance; it’s not technically genocide unless we explicitly write genocide. You can’t technically compare bombing women and children and shooting zip tied aid workers to the holocaust.
Semantics gymnastics gold medal winners: Zionist glazers
ShikaStyleR@reddit
The Haavara agreement was a heroic agreement that saved thousands of lives. I won't let you tarnish its memory. It was a clever move where the Irgun and Lehi played with the cards they were given, they didn't align ideologically with the Nazis. Unlike the Grand Mufti who not only did, but even went on a tour to the camps with Hitler himself
arab-xenon@reddit
Praising terrorists who worked with nazis, randomly throwing in grand mufti who was disgraced, classic Zionist hasbara shill LMAOOOO
KaiBahamut@reddit
That’s a lot of yapping to justify land theft. Hamas 2 will rise from the rubble unless Israel makes a single state where the rights of all are protected or until it kills every Palestinian.
metamorphotits@reddit
i think we all know which option they're setting themselves up for...
tallzmeister@reddit (OP)
Trust israelis to exploit an atrocity and their own hostages to steal more land through collective punishment and war crimes
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
Good stuff. It’s become apparent that a sort of buffer DMZ zone like north/South Korea is needed for safety.
Hopefully Hamas hasn’t been able to crush the spirit of the protestors completely and they can be toppled.
Free Palestine!
ExoticCard@reddit
This guy is a Hasbara junior IDF agent for sure.
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
Sounds like something an Iranian bot would say
Fit_Rice_3485@reddit
You’re supporting a modern day ethno state who are basically white washed Nazis….
lol
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
In supporting peace in the Middle East for all
PathfinderZ1@reddit
Peace by killing kids and building illegal settlements?
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
No, peace by ending violence and oppression
PathfinderZ1@reddit
Got it, ending violence by killing and orphaning children and ending oppression by building illegal settlements and annexing lands.
Zionists truly are a sorry bunch.
textandstage@reddit
עם ישראל חי, בכה על זה יותר זונה 😘
PathfinderZ1@reddit
No need for the insults, I have no personal issues with jews or the children of Israel. I just don't like genocide.
...but this behavior, typical of Israelis, is what alienates you from the region. I wonder what happens to you when the US stops aiding you for one reason or another?
Also, please tell your handler to stop telling you to use North American flairs, it's embarrassingly obvious.
textandstage@reddit
I’m an American.
Look at my post history if you want.
I’m just sick to death of the constant blood libels against my people.
There isn’t a genocide in Gaza, and the civilian deaths there are entirely Hamas’s fault.
PathfinderZ1@reddit
Funny.. I never brought up Jewish people, only Israel.
I'm sick to death of the actual Palestinian blood being constantly spelled by 'your people'.
Sure, hand over Netanyahu to the ICC and let's see the court's findings.
Curious, I would assume it to be the fault of the rockets being dropped, but I'm sure you'd know.. are the deaths in the West Bank also Hamas's fault?
textandstage@reddit
Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people, and currently home to over half the world’s Jews.
And I’m sick to death of the actual Jewish blood being spilled by terrorists who have no concern for the wellbeing of their own people or of any other people in the region.
Collateral damage is inevitable in war. Hamas could end this war today if not for the fact that Palestinians are more use to them dead than alive.
The West Bank is its own complicated morass.
Unlike Gaza, there are terrorists from both sides of the conflict there.
Btw, Hamas has a presence in the West Bank too, so yes, sometimes the militants killed in fighting in the West Bank are indeed Hamas
PathfinderZ1@reddit
So a Jew from Brooklyn is more entitled to this land than a Palestinian whose family has actually been living their for generations? Zionist delusions.
Haha, and uh, how many Israeli blood has been spilled these past few years? Seems to be mainly Palestinian. I also find it hard to believe Israeli have any concerns for people other than their own with the.. bombing of all the countries near them, you know?
Could we also say this about October 7th? Or only when it's convenient for you to justify murdering women and children?
Hmm, no. Pretty sure you could end the war today by simply agreeing to a ceasefire and stop settling lands and harassing and detaining Palestinians at checkpoints.
Oh.. so now it's complicated?
Anyone that fights against the oppression of the IDF = terrorist, got it.
Classic zionist. Khamas is everywhere, even in children skulls, eh?
Israel will never know peace in the middle east, and it's constant antagonizing of its' neighbors WILL bite it back should US support ever waver in the future. Better keep those AIPAC donations up, or you'll get a real taste of antisemitism.
textandstage@reddit
Not going line by line with this drivel, but a few points:
When I referred to terrorists on both sides, I was acknowledging settler terrorism. If you aren’t so blinded by Jew hatred, you’d have caught that ;-)
Hamas having a presence in the West Bank is documented fact. The Fatah-led pa has had massive gunfights with them.
Israel is more secure than it’s ever been, and public normalization with our Saudi and Emirati allies is coming despite Hamas and Iran’s best efforts.
The decolonization of ארץ ישראל has been a massive success, and no amount of antisemitic whining on the internet will ever change that 😘
PathfinderZ1@reddit
Not surprised, you're a Zionist after all. Evading any serious argument is what you do.
Do you want a cookie for that? You're acknowledging an illegal occupation. Congratulations?
And you've been targeting Hamas only in the West Bank, right?
Will be an unfortunate situation when the US and it's puppet Arab leaders are toppled.
Total liberation of فلسطين will happen, sooner or later. Until then, may you never know peace. :)
TheGreatJingle@reddit
It worked with peace in your country.
PathfinderZ1@reddit
Only after we forced their hand with war.
TheGreatJingle@reddit
A war you lost dramatically .
PathfinderZ1@reddit
I understand strategic and tactical objectives are hard to comprehend but we lost and dramatically? I wasn't told, is there an Israeli flag on Sinai right now?
.. but I digress, why are we changing the subject? See, this is the thing with you zionists, your arguments are stale, and you're so predictable right now that I don't normally deign you with a response, but I'm glad I made some time today.. it is reassuring that the Israeli propaganda units are facing quality control issues.
TheGreatJingle@reddit
Israel’s goal was recognition and peace they got that. They never wanted the Sinai forever . They traded the military success the surrounded and doomed Egyptian Army for that. So yeah tactically the Egyptians got destroyed and surrounded while strategically Isreal was able to pressure Egypt into what it really wanted, peace and recognition. A peace that has held for fifty years.
If Israel had wanted Cairo they could have taken it but they didn’t .
PathfinderZ1@reddit
You.. can't be serious, are you? If that was Israel's intent from beginning, why wait until the war started? If they were so thoroughly confident with victory, why offer terms when land is what Israel desperately needs above all else?
I wonder how long will it hold after US decides it's no longer willing to support Israel? or becomes unable to?
Sure, if you say so :)
TheGreatJingle@reddit
Israel had a better bargaining position , Nasser was in a different position domestically than 67. They also got the condition of a demilitarized Sinai which hadn’t been offered before.
Also why do you think Isreal desperately wants lots of land in the 60s . Its obvious now and then that Israel’s number one priority has been wider recognition that they exist. Something that most nations in the region don’t give them so they can maintain a legal facade for their conquering and attempt.
I mean if you think the Egyptian army trapped and surrounded waiting to die could have stopped Isreal I’d love to hear the logic you have.
PathfinderZ1@reddit
If you genuinely think recognition + a DMZ is better for Israel vs the entirety of Sinai and it's resources then I've got some snake oil to sell you.
We're seriously discussing legality when we're talking about a state that has no legal basis what so ever?
I'm good, I have zero interest in furthering this discussion about the war, we all know the end result of Israeli overconfidence (see: the Bar Lev line, Egyptian AA vs IOF air force). How about we get back to our original discussion regarding Israeli war crimes?
TheGreatJingle@reddit
I do actually because it costs money to administer and use an area. If you want to see that see how little Egypt’s benifits from the Sinai. I also think you dramatically undervalue how much Isreal cares about recognition.
The legal basis from Israel is the recognition . Both from the UN and from your own country. That very admission is incredibly valuable to Isreal. It has a legal basis . You not liking it isn’t relevant. Isreals misdeeds and crimes also isn’t relevant to its legal reasoning for existence.
Hold onto the tactical successes and believe they matter after the failure it ended in.
PathfinderZ1@reddit
Seeing as how Sinai is a major part of the tourism industry here, I'm not sure I agree with you.. you're also undervaluing how important Sinai is as strategic depth and buffer for Israel itself.
Yeah but these are merely words, recognition is sort of valueless when these very countries will turn on you the moment you lose the support of the US, no?
You ought to follow your own advice :)
TheGreatJingle@reddit
Those words on paper are what had the world allow isreals crimes on Gaza right now . Those words help hold back Egypt. Egypt didn’t care about us backing in the past. What changed was recognition. Anyone who goes back on that will be treated by the world like Russia is now. You dramatically undervalue this .
CharmCityKid09@reddit
Notice it's always the same with types like that other poster. Historical revisionism is the default position becuase they'd rather lie and distort the truth than admit they lost/were wrong.
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
You’re right, Israel is the only country that would go to war after Oct 7.
Oh wait every country in human history would.
I guess every country is a sorry bunch lol!
mormon_freeman@reddit
This guy is a predator
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
Yep i hunt down liars and bigots like a juicy little snack
PathfinderZ1@reddit
I never said that, and we all know you're not directly addressing my points in the previous comments because you have no response, so you try to change the discussion.
Pathetic, really.
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
lol your whole comment was pathetic. Wars kill kids. Hamas took hostages and hides under their own people. They won’t leave power and promise to resume war against Israel’s civilians.
They are a sharia death cult and are destroying their own people.
But sure, obsess over Israel. It’s what Iran wants
nothingpersonnelmate@reddit
It isn't morally justifiable to execute aid workers, force civilians to check buildings for traps, implement systematic torture, or bomb many times over more buildings than the enemy force has total members killing huge numbers of civilians in the process. Israel's methods actually are horrific and completely inexcusable by anyone with even a shred of humanity.
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
Literally the only one of those that is remotely true is forcing civilians to check buildings for traps. lol. You need better news sources kiddo.
nothingpersonnelmate@reddit
They're all true.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/01/world/middleeast/israel-un-workers-gaza.html
https://www.btselem.org/publications/202408_welcome_to_hell
https://unosat.org/products/4047
I'd strongly recommend reading up on the atrocities being committed by the people you're defending.
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
lol I’m well read. Stop gurgling Iranian propaganda and use your brain.
nothingpersonnelmate@reddit
You should strongly consider speaking to a mental health professional.
frizzykid@reddit
Hitler said the same thing about conquering Europe.
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
lol cool!
ExoticCard@reddit
Hope the shekels are worth it
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
I don’t need to get paid to want peace. It’s just part of being a decent human.
arab-xenon@reddit
“Land thieves steal land, that’s a good thing”- terrorist IDF glazer
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
You would rather permanent war? Why?
arab-xenon@reddit
You are an ethnic cleansing enjoyer, 80 years of the status quo ofc you would rather steal land and increase terrorism by dehumanizing natives who have lived there for generations.
ShikaStyleR@reddit
Do you shed a tear for the Jews who were ethnically cleansed from Hebron and East Jerusalem in 1948 too?
Eexoduis@reddit
If death counts as freedom, the IDF has already freed 50,000 people!
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
Hopefully the other 98% will have a better government soon 🙏🙏🙏
Eexoduis@reddit
I don’t understand why you’re so flippant about the deaths of 50,000 people, many of whom where innocent men, women, and children.
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
Wanting them to have a better life is flippant?
Jesus this sub has some cruel posters
Eexoduis@reddit
Reducing 50,000 people to a percentage is a deliberate attempt to minimize their deaths. If not flippant, try dismissive.
I “side” with the people of Gaza and their right to self-determination.
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
It’s called a war. I was quoting facts
And I side with the same as you which is why I want Hamas gone
_-icy-_@reddit
Really? If it’s a war then they would be following the rules of war, not engineering mass starvation, forced displacement of the entire population, they plant be exploding kids left and right, literally sniping children in the head and chest, killing babies in ICUs, dropping bombs on hospitals, schools, universities, executing aid workers, kidnapping and raping doctors, etc…
Apartheid Israel will forever be remembered as a racist state full of baby killers.
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
They are following the rules of war. You just need to lay off the Iranian propaganda.
_-icy-_@reddit
The fact that you think you can dismiss these well documented war crimes so easily is just disgusting. Do you think you’re any different from a holocaust denier?
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
Well documented.
Haha holocaust. Hilarious. Yes fighting a war against the people that want to genocide the Jews is a holocaust. Good joke. Hitler would love you
_-icy-_@reddit
It’s not a war, it’s a genocide, and these people just want their basic dignity and freedom just like any group of human beings.
As always, every accusation is a confession. The terrorist Israeli government, including the PM, president, and most ministers keep making genocidal statements talking about killing all Palestinians and “no innocent Palestinians” while actively committing a genocide.
Collective punishment is a war crime, why the fuck are 2,000,000 innocent human beings forced to suffer? Why is it whenever someone is professing their love for war crimes and mass extermination it is always a Zionist?
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
It's not even a war. It's a restrained response by Israel. The pampering can't continue. Don't pick fights if you can't take a punch. Thankfully Trump and his bold vision for peace are here. Inshallah
_-icy-_@reddit
Restrained? The only thing missing is the gas chambers. Apartheid Israel will forever be remembered as the racist nation of baby killers.
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
Oh such rubbish. Lol
_-icy-_@reddit
Yes it’s such rubbish millions of people from almost every country in the world get out and protests because they hate apartheid Israel so much. Literally the entire world hates that racist baby killer regime.
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
Bahahah. The whole world? A few hundred thousand Here and there is not the whole world. Oh man i needed that laugh. Even joulani...literally former isis....doesn't want anything to do with it. No one cares. IRGC, Hezbollah + the Houthis. Literal terrorists. That is who cares. Everyone else continues to increase their weapons purchases from Israel. It's beautiful. You'll have to manage to get over it. Thankfully Even the democratic now know pandering to the Hamas wing of the democratic party is a losing cause. Now, excuse me.. I have some land auctions to browse and I have to write a nice donation check to speaker Mike johnson, ambassador Mike huckabee and above all, betar and negesh b nefesh. It's an organization that brings new olim home from exile to Israel. Free of charge.
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
lol genocide
You goofs really need a new script
Eexoduis@reddit
Most of the things he mentioned are on video, btw. There is much documentation of the recent discovery of a mass grave filled with medics and aid workers, executed with their hands bound. (This is a war crime)
There is much documentation of the strikes on refugee camps, the displacement of millions, the mass starvation. There are videos of children dying to sniper fire, images of their bodies lying in the street, torn apart by .50 caliber bullets. Shockingly young children. Babies. All of these things I mentioned are egregiously illegal, and therefore, war crimes.
Israel does not deny these things. Why do you?
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
The documentation is “one Hamas dude said it” lol you’re so gullible. If you aren’t Iranian agent then you’re a very useful idiot.
Creative-Road-5293@reddit
Not a single member of hamas? That takes skill.
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
Yes Israel only targets civilians 🤣🤣🤣
Creative-Road-5293@reddit
What you target and what you hit can be different.
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
Yes I’ve taught many wars. I assume this is the first you’ve paid attention to?
Creative-Road-5293@reddit
You realize I was being sarcastic?
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
Cool!
NovaKaizr@reddit
A buffer zone? You mean like the Golan heights? Wait.....
Warm-Interaction2534@reddit
They will need a buffer zone for the buffer zone
ChaosKeeshond@reddit
Aye, but what happens when they build a town on the buffer zone's buffer zone?
IEatWhenImCurious@reddit
Hasbara script is just lazy at this point. Where's the passion for the craft?
TallTacoTuesdayz@reddit
Iranian script is just lazy at this point. Must be because their currency is experiencing absurd inflation so you aren’t getting paid.
arab-xenon@reddit
The hasbara bots are out in full force, first they’ll claim a buffer is necessary and that they must militarily remove people from their homes. When the people rightfully are angry they will cry about antisemitism, and when inevitably people are radicalized due to the future prospect of a buffer zone to the buffer zone they’ll say they hate us because we’re “Jewish” and not because of the obvious land theft and ethnic cleansing. Rinse and repeat. What’s going to stop them from taking southern Syria? Southern Lebanon? Sinai? The Zionist project of greater Israel is the ultimate goal.
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