Steam Hardware & Software Survey March 2025 - RTX5080 breaks into the charts
Posted by NGGKroze@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 147 comments
Posted by NGGKroze@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 147 comments
NGGKroze@reddit (OP)
Sharp drops for 4060/4060Ti/4070
RTX5080 appears on the charts (the only 50 series so far) with 0.20%
RDNA 2/3 gains some - mostly in the face of 7900XTX and some older RDNA2 modles
RDNA4 still missing.
b3081a@reddit
It's better ignore the data from last month due to the usual mysterious Chinese user surge and compare with January.
basil_elton@reddit
Chinese language is now the predominant language for Steam users slightly edging out English- and this is not based on the survey but according to Valve at GDC.
So Chinese user surge is no longer a viable explanation.
DistantRavioli@reddit
Dude, valve said Chinese users were .2% more than English users and that's surely an all time high with a growing Chinese user base. Chinese jumped over 20% last month to over 50% total according to the survey and then reversed this month clear the other direction. That's not some normal variance you can just wave away with "valve said there's more Chinese users now". Valve had had an issue with data collection like this for years and at least once a year this happens and it usually gets adjusted within a few days but wasn't this time.
Those who watch the steam survey data every month have seen this specific issue before with massive swings in Chinese data for a one off month.
basil_elton@reddit
Somebody above in the comment chain said Chinese New Year was in February this year. That could easily account for a portion of the swing - more people who don't regularly use Steam logging in because of holidays, perhaps to check for any sales, and then logging off the next month once the holidays are over.
DistantRavioli@reddit
No, it wasn't. Like I said people who have watched this survey every month for years have seen this before. It does not correlate with the Chinese new year. When this kind of thing happens valve almost always adjusts the data within a few days, this is one of the few times where they did not adjust it.
Here is October 2023
Here is December 2020
It happened several times back in 2017 and 2018 that valve blamed on Chinese internet cafes being over counted. It's just not a new thing. Their survey is flawed and these bigs swings are not correct.
basil_elton@reddit
The swings are a result of inconsistent counting that overcounts or undercounts the Chinese language users - that much is certain.
But it is wrong to say use "Chinese user surge" as a convenient premise to be invoked when you disagree with the numbers, especially after Valve has claimed that the Chinese internet cafe overcounting issue has been accounted for.
DistantRavioli@reddit
Then I'm not even sure what you're arguing against anymore. I already said their count is bs. It has gone from 50% to 25% just this month. It doesn't take a data scientist to understand that something is wrong with their survey and you're concern trolling that sentiment for some reason.
basil_elton@reddit
To conspiratorially declare the survey as invalid simply based on certain wild fluctuations on certain months, when the survey itself doesn't aim for the rigor of established statistical methodology, is called denial.
Especially when it is easy to account for the sheer randomness of the survey due to the fact that one needs to have Steam running on their computer for any of the 12 days in a year when it can be included in the survey, which is on top of the fact that the survey is opt-in - meaning that the appearance of a single point in the entire dataset is dependent on the whims of the user.
DistantRavioli@reddit
It is not 12 days a year lmao
Not only do you not know the history of the steam survey with regard to this issue, you don't even know how it works. There aren't 12 survey days that you have to have your computer on to get polled, it's random. It just releases the monthly results.
It's not conspiratorial to immediately recognize a recurrent and known problem with the survey either. I already told you it's been adjusted a day or two after release when there's been giant jumps in Chinese users multiple times. They blamed internet cafes on it once and claimed to have fixed that yet still once or twice a year at random there are these colossal jumps in Chinese users that makes no sense followed by a collosal retraction either the next month or a couple days later in their adjustment. This has been an issue for the better part of a decade.
basil_elton@reddit
Congratulations - you don't understand how simple probability works.
The randomness in the survey is literally about when Steam prompts you about data submission - which happens on the last day of the month.
And the last time I counted, there are 12 "last days of the month".
DistantRavioli@reddit
No, it doesn't. You literally don't understand how the survey works yet are being a jackass telling me I don't understand simple probability. It's random each month, it is not on a set day.
basil_elton@reddit
It literally happens on the last day of the month - or the first day if you are in Japan or Australia/NZ.
I have kept track of each and every time the survey appeared for me since Covid.
The only one being a jackass is you.
Earthborn92@reddit
I'm not sure what the user you're trying to educate has a problem with exactly.
This is no conspiracy on Valve's part, if that is the intended object of defense. It's just not a very consistent survey and they've had issues very similar to the February 2025 anomaly.
IdleCommentator@reddit
Historical data from Steam surveys does not support the Chinese NY hypothesis (which I initially shared) - it shows that in several previous years usually there was no pronounced spike in Chinese users in February. For example, Simplified Chinese in February 2021 - 19.80% (+1.87%), 2022 - 26.27% (+2.13%), 2023 - 26.28% (+2.47%). 2024 is the 1st year we have somewhat of a spike in February - 32.84% (+7.62%), but it is still nowhere close to the 2025 numbers.
Something definitely had happened with February 2025 data that was not happening in either the adjacent months nor previous Februaries, that turned it into outlier.
Berengal@reddit
Regardless of the reason it's still a completely spurious spike entirely incongruent with the historical data (and also future data as it shows up). These happen with some regularity on the steam hardware survey, they're clearly not indicative of any real change.
basil_elton@reddit
Here are some things that hold true -
Since this time the spike is not in Chinese users - these are just Americans with money to burn buying the newly launched GPUs or building new PCs because they have been told that Intel CPUs are trash for gaming.
Berengal@reddit
No, it's pretty clearly something weird going on with how steam collects or aggregates the data. It's clearly unreliable and should be completely ignored when looking at trends.
Also what do you mean the spike is not in Chinese users? Chinese clearly spiked last month, back down to normal levels this month.
Hayden247@reddit
You got downvoted but people legit miss the point. Link to Jan's normal data https://web.archive.org/web/20250228181940/https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/
basil_elton@reddit
36.5% English and 25.04% Chinese is clearly not normal when Valve themselves have said that they are roughly 33% each with a slight edge to Chinese.
Unless you naively believe that a sizeable portion of Chinese users uninstalled Steam in this data set.
Berengal@reddit
Do you believe the same portion that disappeared this month all installed Steam last month? By normal I mean the value consistent with previous historic values on the SHS.
My point, as I've made multiple times now, is that the data is not real. It's an artifact of some type of mistake or bias in the data collection and not reflective of the real world.
basil_elton@reddit
What do you mean by "historic" values and the data not being real? It is obvious that the probability of more Chinese users being surveyed than English language users would only increase as the user base grows - which it has.
And it is also true that if a user has been surveyed in a given month, they will not be surveyed again in the next month.
And coupled with the fact that many people over many years have anecdotally reported getting the survey when they have changed their hardware, it is no big deal that a surge of new GPU buying activity can lead to these spikes in data.
Berengal@reddit
I'm not sure what point you think I'm making.
By historic I mean the data prior to last month and the rate of change in that data. By the data last month not being real I mean the change shown isn't effected by real events or trends but rather by the survey process itself. Possibly a fluke, but quite more likely a procedural mistake given the frequency and effect size of these blips.
Last month's data is not consistent with the previous months' data. It's a sudden large spike in several categories, positive or negative depending on which data point you're looking at, at a rate that's several times outside of the normal month-to-month change, that is then reversed the next month to get back to where you'd expect the data to be at given historic trends.
For example, Intel and AMD's CPU share changed <1% month to month each month for over two years, then suddenly Intel jumped >5% last month, then dropped >5% this month to get back to within 1% of the value it has been in the months before last. Similar with % CPU-cores, large jumps in values for several categories, like for example 4-core CPUs that also changed <1% month-to-month that dropped >5% last month then jumped back up >5% this month to get back to a range you'd expect it to be in given the trend in the months prior to last.
I'm not saying it's not growing, I'm saying the spike last month is completely untrustworthy. It's not at all congruent with the trend seen in previous months.
This is pure conjecture. Nobody except Valve knows how their survey works, and they're not telling.
Hayden247@reddit
You are exactly right, this month's data seems like a really good continuation of the Janurary 2025 and prior trends of AMD slowly gaining ground over Intel and AMD GPUs sitting at about 16% marketshare, tho this month does have some increase over Jan which may reflect RDNA4 as well as maybe the 7900 XTX also gaining ground.
https://web.archive.org/web/20250228181940/https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ Wayback machine is good for this, clearly past two months have gone in AMD's favour slightly and last month was due to a skew in Chinese users for whatever reason it may be that does happen sometimes. Of course Nvidia at least has their RTX 5080 showing as the sole new gen so there is a current gen GPU being made from them...
basil_elton@reddit
This is how the survey works because a few years back somebody wrote an email to Valve about the survey and one employee responded where it was said that each user gets the survey once in a year.
Strazdas1@reddit
Valve may be using the same false data they collected for the survey.
conquer69@reddit
Why should Chinese data be ignored?
Strazdas1@reddit
because it was a 1 month spike that wasnt in the results before or after. It was a month of bad data.
T1beriu@reddit
Chinese New Year was last month. Massive influx of Chinese gamers. It's not like Chinese gamers don't exist. In a few years they will be the majority of Steam Users. China has a massive pollution
ParthProLegend@reddit
Population
ga_st@reddit
¿Porque no los dos?
ParthProLegend@reddit
Es ambas cosas, pero una mayor contaminación es una medida objetiva mientras que una mayor población es una medida precisa.
ga_st@reddit
Lmao it was a joke, but besides that I agree with what you're saying
Cohibaluxe@reddit
The original statement is not incorrect, however.
ParthProLegend@reddit
I see
Strazdas1@reddit
do you also expect a massive data distortions during western new year? because they dont happen. In fact in good statistics such distortions would be dismissed as bad data because they are not representative of long term trend.
T1beriu@reddit
It's not bad data because it's different or "distorted" from the mean. It's just data. Most data have seasonality. Have you heard of it? Things fluctuate all the time in different areas of business.
Sales spike during Christmas and Black Friday, Venice gets a massive boost of tourists during the summer, chocolate eggs get a spike during Easter. Should this data be dismissed? Of course not. It's just data.
Strazdas1@reddit
Its bad data if its a temporary change that is not reflective of actual market, but exists because of an exception (chinese new year). Theres a reason in statistics we do things like adjusting for seasonality to get rid of such datapoints.
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
What are you measuring here? Sales or users? If users then no don't ignore the chinese
b3081a@reddit
Not to say it should be ignored, but that's a noise. For example AMD didn't suddenly gain 6.55% market share in a single month.
If you really wanna analyze the data of February, you should compare it with the last similar surge but not the month before or after.
Hungry-Plankton-5371@reddit
Because it makes AMD look bad, of course.
OftenSarcastic@reddit
No single monthly survey is representative of the actual install base, the jumps in data are too massive. Last month is a massive outlier for the Chinese install base in particular and December before that for English. Judging by December and February data, I'm guessing holiday gifts have a significant impact (Christmas and Chinese New Year) on Steam (re-)installs and survey prompting.
:- | -: | -: | -: | -: | -: English | 33.18% | 42.14% | 33.97% | 23.79% | 36.50% Simplified Chinese | 30.25% | 29.95% | 29.18% | 50.06% | 25.04% Russian | 9.55% | 10.18% | 9.62% | 6.76% | 8.92% Spanish - Spain | 4.01% | 5.23% | 3.99% | 2.89% | 4.62% German | 2.83% | 3.62% | 2.88% | 2.04% | 3.06% | | | | | RTX 3060 | 5.03% | 6.02% | 5.20% | 6.87% | 5.10% RTX 4060 | 3.83% | 4.86% | 4.60% | 8.57% | 4.77% RTX 4060 Ti | 3.18% | 3.91% | 3.45% | 6.56% | 3.15% | | | | | RX 6600 | 0.83% | 1.02% | 0.84% | 0.64% | 0.89% RX 7900 XTX | 0.43% | 0.51% | 0.43% | 0.34% | 0.49%
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
China has a population of 1.4 million, Chinese new year was on January 29th which is their biggest cultural celebration everything regarding china surges then.
Chinese people are real people, their money is real and their effect on GPU sales is real.
Unusual_Mess_7962@reddit
And every time people come around talking as if the chinese are somehow utterly oppressed and maligned, and actually a fantastically large force that dirty westerners could never even understand.
You know whats also real people? America has a population of 340 million, EU has a population of 450 million. The median American earns 3.5 times as much as a chinese. Those are real, have a lot more money and likelyhood to buy a computer.
And as for 'valid set of data', the amount of 'simplified chinese' users went from 30 to 50% in february 2025, then dropped to 25% in march 2025. Please explain how that makes sense.
T1beriu@reddit
The Chinese is not mysterious. It's correlated with the Chinese New Year where students and working people get a 2 week break. It also happens with major game releases, like Black Myth Wukong.
IdleCommentator@reddit
Initially, I thought so, too - however then I looked at the historical data on Wayback Machine, and it shows that in several previous years usually there was no pronounced spike in Chinese users in February. For example, Simplified Chinese in February 2021 - 19.80% (+1.87%), 2022 - 26.27% (+2.13%), 2023 - 26.28% (+2.47%). In 2024 is the 1st year we have somewhat of a spike in February - 32.84% (+7.62%), but it is still nowhere close to the 2025 numbers.
Something definitely had happened with February 2025 that was not happening in either the adjacent months nor previous Februaries, that turned it into outlier.
Cable_Hoarder@reddit
Gaming at home has opened up in China like never before, thanks to the success of their home grown developers, and relaxed regulation from the government.
They're in a booming market since the start of 2024.
Not just the number of gamers, but how much they're spending and how long they;re gaming for.
2024 broke every single record, the YoY growth was crazy.
And the growth aligns at 7.5%
https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3290626/chinas-video-gaming-revenue-hits-new-high-2024-back-blockbuster-releases
YNWA_1213@reddit
So is this the reason for the 60 series drop this survey? Wondering if April will finally be representative of the overall market after RDNA4 and Blackwell has some time to filter through the channels and get into gamers hands.
SomeRandoFromInterne@reddit
After all the hype and news of record sales of RDNA4 and alleged low stock of everything Blackwell, I find it surprising that only the 5080 made the charts. That must mean that people bought more 5080s than 9070XTs - that’s just wild. Or maybe the cutoff point for the data was before the RDNA4 release.
Scytian@reddit
Steam HW survey data is collected on 1st day of past month, it's data from 1st March that's why there is no 5070 Ti/5070 and 9070/9070 XT on list.
braiam@reddit
This is last week of March, give or take. Not the first day of a month. They do not sit on this data for 20-30 days.
Scytian@reddit
Steam hardware survey data is ALWAYS collected on first day of the months, it's the data from Match 1st.
braiam@reddit
Explain this user where it was before new years.
inyue@reddit
Isn't the same shit at every release?
People cry about nvidia paper launch while hyping the amd sales, 6 months later and all of the nvidia are on top charts on steam while half of the amd offering doesn't even appear. And they cry that steam survey is rigged because didn't appear on their system.
Mean-Professiontruth@reddit
Always have been
ClaspedSummer49@reddit
Keep in mind that the 5080 has been out since January, and that steam surveys aren't held by every single user but extrapolated from a small sample of users every month.
Take for example how the 7800 XT which is pretty popular (looking at store sales data), hasn't showed up on HW surveys at all.
StickiStickman@reddit
That's not how statistics or surveys works ...
ClaspedSummer49@reddit
If you're referring to my claim about the 7800 XT, I retract that claim.
But it is true that Valve only surveys a portion of the install-base for Steam and extrapolates that. There's a reason why there are massive language swings happen.
StickiStickman@reddit
And that is not the reason at all if you just had a very basic understanding of statistics or surveys ...
The sample size of the Steam survey is WAY too big to have the margin of error youre claiming.
ClaspedSummer49@reddit
Not really though? It's normal for the survey to have swings within 2-3% for the most popular GPUs every month. And also the fact that internet cafes can heavily sway the survey from month to month, refer to February where the Chinese Language had a +20% swing from January and it's back down again by a similar margin. These swings are very much possible and for new card releases it will take a while for surveys to stabilize.
Mean-Professiontruth@reddit
Because the 7800xt is not popular. Reddit upvotes and mind factory doesn't indicated sales
Strazdas1@reddit
Its not surprising. People claiming no stock were as usual just full of shit.
basil_elton@reddit
Yeah - the survey for a given month is based on a prompt that appears on the last day of the previous month.
In other words, this March 2025 data is based of responses collected in February. There was no RDNA4 in February.
popop143@reddit
Yep, people think that it's automatically gathered by Steam, but it's not. That's why we sometimes get odd months with a sharp spike for Chinese speaking language. Don't really know the algorithm by Steam though.
lufiron@reddit
This is me. I got one for retail at microcenter, and have been playing CP2077 nonstop.
braiam@reddit
To explain the Chinese thing:
It doesn't matter that most of Steam users are Chinese, good surveys shouldn't be beholden to temporary spikes. Surveys should before all be continuous smooth movement of data, otherwise there would be a subjacent problem with what you are measuring (it's too low in absolute terms, that small variations result in big variations in relative terms) or about how you are measuring it (you start to oversample part of the population). In either way, it's not a good statistical product if the difference between regular surveys vary so much between one and another. Last one was an outlyer, and any statistician worth their salt would instead impound the values based on the trend.
ShadowRomeo@reddit
To translate this data to actual numbers basing from estimated 185+ Million Monthly Steam concurrent data that 0.20% percentages seems to translate to over 360,000 of RTX 5080s being registered on Steam around the world. Seems like the meme of RTX 50 series being severely understocked everywhere and having so low only around single digits stockpile across entire USA turned out to be very incorrect.
Also, I somehow expected to see RDNA 4 here as well because because just a month ago they reportedly shipped 200,000 units already at the time, that translates to roughly 0.12% of Steam marketshare. But as what AMD said that turned out to be incorrect as they actually didn't give a exact number of sales of their RDNA 4 GPUs at that time so, in reality we really don't know yet.
All we know though is that most gamers are getting RTX 50 series GPU rather than RX 9070 series RDNA 4, this data is enough definite proof of that.
SirActionhaHAA@reddit
There's no translation of any data needed because steam surveys have never been accurate representation of market share in the short term. Some hardware could go through swings of 5+% month to month beyond launch windows which is impossible in the real world
Valve did the surveys to get a long term and real rough estimation of perf targets that devs should set for their games. Official statement from valve itself is that it ain't an accurate tool for market research and they don't want people to use it for that. They've said it not once but many times, but people continue to misuse it for their "news" content just like what you're doing now.
MdxBhmt@reddit
Every steam HW survey this happens, some people just refuse to understand.
Although I would stress the sw is a rough estimate of steam's 'market share', qualifiers playing a key role in the sentence.
For the unaware, the survey is a piss poor market share tool because the data is passing too many filters with their own set of selection biases - some intended, some unavoidable.
The most obvious being that the steam survey only applies to steam users.
NGGKroze@reddit (OP)
The 200k report was debunked by AMD themselves. Then later they said they sold 10x in first week compared to previous gen so numbers are all over the place. But it is indeed surprising seeing 5080 here. If 5080 is this early here, we could as well see 5070Ti and 5070 in April Survey.
MdxBhmt@reddit
Reminder that AMD 10x first week sales is nowhere near nvidia's usual number.
ShadowRomeo@reddit
Yeah, compared to previous generation RTX 50 series seems to be climbing to Steam market share faster than them as well.
NGGKroze@reddit (OP)
It's interesting that 5080 showed this early, while outside of 7700XT and 7900XTX, no other RDNA3 GPU is on the list
April Survey for sure will be interesting - 9070XT could pop high enough for 0.5%-1% which will be very big.
DuranteA@reddit
1% would imply more than 1 million units installed, that's exceedingly unlikely to happen.
It would be a great success for AMD to even just reach 0.2% in April, compared to their prior launches.
FinalBase7@reddit
Steam survey is only for selected users, not the entire platform, and nobody knows how many users valve surveys. I got selected for the this month's survey but wasn't asked for like the previous 5 months.
NGGKroze@reddit (OP)
No, 1% will indicate 1% of all who took the survey had 9070XT. If we go by the 200K rumor (even if debunked) that means Survey was taken by 20M steam users.
0.2% wouldn't be bad, I mean 9070 series popping up would be good anyway, but given the stock levels and the price of 5080 still showing at 0.20%, it wouldn't be that impressive.
Ilktye@reddit
If you look at the hardware stats, GTX1080 and GTX1080ti have combined share of 1.12%.
Are you saying 9070XT somehow would get 50% of that share by next month.
Framed-Photo@reddit
I find a number like 370,000 hard to believe only because I genuinely don't believe Nvidia would allocate that much of their TSMC space to a consumer level card like the 5080 lol. Not saying it's impossible or that you're wrong, but the Steam hardware survey isn't exactly known for its pin-point accuracy.
And sure, AMD did disprove the 200,000 number, but we also know from multiple retailers that they are receiving exponentially more 9000 series stock, at least based on reports I've heard from English speaking creators like Hardware Unboxed.
onurraydar@reddit
The only thing we know from retailers is that AMD received more stock than Nvidia for launch. This makes sense as AMD stock piled 2 months worth of stock for launch and Nvidia had a massive supply issue + Chinese new year. However, going forward we can assume Nvidia is now shipping much more GPUs than AMD. They typically have 85-90% GPU shipment share so AMD would need to be selling an exponential amount more than they usually ship to catch up. I don't think that's reasonable in 1 gen.
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
This makes sense and is what I figured. How else would average prices fall according to 3D center
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
The world is a lot bigger than you think it is lol.
Ilktye@reddit
Yes, so I also read from multiple Reddit sources /s
NGGKroze@reddit (OP)
Problem is not TSMC Capacity but EUV and Package. Nvidia shipped in just 3 months to 4 big companies 3.6M Blackwell (7.2M GPU dies). Nvidia also shipped over 30M desktop GPUs in 2024.
Nvidia said they shipped 2x of Ada in first 5 weeks, which means - 5090,5080,5070Ti and first week of 5070 shipped 2x of first 5 weeks of 4090 and first week of 4080.
AMD is in the same game - they compare sales of 550-600$ GPU to 900-1000$ GPUs and claim 10x sales in first week. RDNA 3 initially sold very poorly (mostly because of the price).
Also Shipping is not sales. Nvidia might only shipped for example 50K but sold all them out, while AMD shipped 200K, but only sold a portion of them, so for the Steam HW survey it matters only what the user has installed in their PC.
ShadowRomeo@reddit
370,000 is actually a small number if you consider that is worldwide and not only counting the DIY market which the Internet and Youtubers is talking about but also, Prebuilt, Laptop market which AMD RDNA 4 doesn't even have as of the moment.
t-kiwi@reddit
Steam survey lags heavily. I haven't had a prompt to do a steam survey for like 6 months.
Chronia82@reddit
That you weren't selected for a few months doesn't mean that its lags though, but just that you weren't part of the selected group in that period.
However seeing that this is a install base measurement, it is kinda expected that new products don't show up instantly in force, as you would see in survey's that measure marketshare (due to which, i also feel that the Q1 market share numbers from lets say Jon Peddie are going to be a lot more interesting for the AMD v.s. Nvidia debate and how many dGPU chips each managed to ship in Q1 than the Steam Survey as install base takes a lot longer to show meaningfull movement compared to market share figures, if something is indeed changing in favor as some ppl are claiming in terms of sold dGPU's), so to see a januari product popup now is kind of expected, and i would expect februari and possibly early march releases like the 9000 serie to pop up next month, but could also leap to may.
t-kiwi@reddit
Do we know steam only uses survey responses from some recency window though? Otherwise older responses will be affecting the numbers.
basil_elton@reddit
Every user is surveyed once per year at a random month of the year. Based on my observations, if you happen to get the survey on a particular month in a given year, there is a high chance that you will get it again on the same month next year.
There is a lot of randomness and luck in all of this because you need to have your PC running Steam on any of the 12 days out of 365 in which the survey appears.
Strazdas1@reddit
this would imply that the average month would include more than 10 million users surveyed, when in reality it is only 3000 users.
basil_elton@reddit
Since the figures reported in % have four maximum significant digits, then if you assume that no rounding is being done, it would mean a sample size of 10,000 at minimum.
In reality it might easily be 10 times that number, which is enough to get a good sample assuming that everyone uses their PC in the same way on average.
Strazdas1@reddit
In reality valve has said the number is 3000.
A sample with condifence interval down to 1% which would be "good enough" for this survey most of the time would required a sample size of 160k users.
Chronia82@reddit
Each month the survey should be based on responses from that month, else you can't establish install base projections for that period. So older responses shouldn't be affecting the survey in that regard. However depending on the sample size that actually agrees to the survey in a given month the results can swing quite a bit and as such shouldn't be taken as gospel. But its fun to browse through each month.
bad1o8o@reddit
and the results are skewed anyways because you are more likely to get a survey prompt if you recently changed hardware
SirYe@reddit
You cannot extrapolate that 0.20% figure with the estimated monthly player count when it is unknown how accurate the survey is. We don't know the methodology Valve uses to collect the data and what an accurate monthly player count is excluding bots. Also, the survery is optional, so certain demographics may be more interested in self-reporting and can end up overrepresented.
It's also strange to me that you're trying to use this data to prove the 50 series is actually well stocked. Have you actually tried to obtain one at launch? I was up at 6 AM on all available websites and the buy button went from "not available" straight to "out of stock" at 6AM. The only people I know who obtained one waited days in line at their nearby microcenter. Even if you disbelieve every single media source, big or small, on these subjects - the experience of getting one of these cards yourself should quickly show you how low stock is relative to demand.
Meanwhile, all of my friends who wanted a 9070XT was able to obtain one at launch.
DuranteA@reddit
Of course you can, you just have to be aware that the resulting number will have an error margin. In terms of estimating global GPU sales to gamers it's still a far better method than e.g. extrapolating from a single German retailer, which some people like to do.
The production situation for a product is only half of the equation for how easy it is to obtain. Something can be reasonably well-stocked and still be hard to obtain when there is a lot of demand. Even when assuming a larger margin of error, these survey results imply that several 100 thousand 5080s had already been sold to Steam users at the cutoff time for the March survey.
While I certainly don't think you should try to get any exact numbers from this, I also believe that it is valid to draw the conclusion that there was actually substantial stock of the 5080 out there -- certainly more so than the hysterical "paper launch" reporting implies.
Strazdas1@reddit
Do you know confidence interval of that figure (you dont, valve does not publish it). If its higher than 0,2% the data itself becomes meaningless. Steam would need to survey millions of users every month for confidence interval to be lower than 0,2%.
Bluemischief123@reddit
I got one at launch, I could have gotten a different one as well but it wasn't the model I wanted so I waited for a different retailer to drop there a few minutes after, anecdotal experiences aren't everything. You're going to get a lot of confirmation bases on Reddit.
ShadowRomeo@reddit
Just because something is often out of stock doesn't immediately mean they barely sold anything like what the Internet or clickbait YouTubers led you to believed, and basing from what we are seeing with this survey that is an actual data they prove them wrong pretty much. And I don't really see the reason why we can't trust this data, and that I should believe yours more because it is literally an actual data compared to your own story that is likely just one single perspective.
I think the reality is that Nvidia products are simply more desirable to consumers and therefore they get out of stock more often and Nvidia even when they focus mostly on their data center nowadays is still producing more RTX 50 series than AMD does, but we also can't say that fully as AMD themselves are very vague with their sales numbers. That's why I said we need to wait further and see their numbers in the upcoming months.
BarKnight@reddit
This disproves that NVIDIA didn't produce many 5080s
RealThanny@reddit
No, it highlights how bad the Steam hardware survey actually is.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Its bad because it doesn't tell you what you want to hear? Post some actual evidence is bad not just what your two little friends told you in the school playground.
RealThanny@reddit
It's bad because the data is not reliable. That's been shown beyond any doubt many times over now. I know that from looking at the data itself and comparing it to known reality, and from my own experience with the few times it tried to survey my hardware, and got many things wrong about the system.
MdxBhmt@reddit
All hail Real Thanny, the seer of known reality.
mrstankydanks@reddit
No. It highlights that the Reddit bubble is the only place anyone thinks AMD is going to take market share. In the real world, people buy Nvidia. You can hate the statistics, but getting mad at the results of random sampling is pretty silly.
Ilktye@reddit
Because it produces numbers you don't like?
PainterRude1394@reddit
Yep. Every launch the narrative is Nvidia is doa. And every launch the fanatics are proven wrong.
chefchef97@reddit
Can you stop commenting this everywhere, once is enough please
PainterRude1394@reddit
That didn't happen.
Are you so emotionally involved you don't understand what's happening?
PainterRude1394@reddit
No I haven't lol. Are you so emotionally involved you had to lash out instead of saying nothing?
Beautiful_Ninja@reddit
So this shows that Nvidia did produce a fair amount of RTX 5080's, it's just that demand is really that nuts right now.
I think what most redditors forget when they look at the Mindfactory sales threads of the world is that the vast majority of Nvidia's GPU sales are in pre-built PC's and laptops, they aren't messing around with piecemeal upgrading like we would. Dell's probably going to sell more 5080's and 5090's in Alienware PC's than anyone else. I can go to the Alienware site right now and order PC's with a 5080 and 5090 in them. Prebuilt's with these GPU's are pretty much readily available in the US at this point.
Qweasdy@reddit
0.91% (and rising) of users having an rtx 4090 is kind of insane considering the price of that card. That represents a lot of people.
FinalBase7@reddit
Being the largest generational leap in almost a decade kinda helps, that card was outrageously priced but outrageously fast too.
Unusual_Mess_7962@reddit
I suspect a lot of workstations and maybe even some commercial users jumped on it.
Jack-of-the-Shadows@reddit
The price is less than getting a set of nice rims for my car. Adults with real income often have hobbies that costs a lot of money.
Unusual_Mess_7962@reddit
Imm a be real, to say that is pretty telling. Adults, especially with families, usually dont spend that much money on GPUs or Rims. Thats what either the rich or people on their first jobs and little understanding of money do.
Culbrelai@reddit
Agreed. I dont understand these people at all. It isn’t hard to save up every 2 years for a gpu upgrade (cpus I keep longer, skipping a gen or more)
Golf clubs are expensive, so are car hobbies, boats, jet skis, etc. PC gaming at its highest end is still relatively cheap.
I’d buy a $5000 2000w gpu if it would get me more frames tbh
Ilktye@reddit
It's not insane.
The Reddit reality distortion field about AMD and nVidia is insane.
Unusual_Mess_7962@reddit
Is that projection? Were talking about a $2000 or more GPU, its crazy regardless of AMD or Nvidia.
J173L@reddit
Eh I think it's in part due to prebuilts vs DIY with reddit having a higher number of DIY with most prebuilts (and laptops) having nvidia.
Mean-Professiontruth@reddit
Nope,it's because AMD is known to engage in astroturfing Reddit to push their own bias
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Can you link to an example?
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Ilktye@reddit
Is this the excuse we are doing now? Previously AMD was selling "so much more GPUs according to vendors", but then RTX5080 breaks into Steam hardware survey and now its "prebuilts".
Never mind the fact Steam hardware survey does not care about prebuilts vs DIY.
Qweasdy@reddit
I'm genuinely not sure what you're even talking about, I said absolutely nothing about AMD vs Nvidia. You may be projecting opinions on me that aren't there...
BarKnight@reddit
It outsold every AMD card
PainterRude1394@reddit
Last I checked it also outsold all fo rdna3 combined. And the narrative was rtx 4k was doa lol.
Now again, the narrative was rtx 5k was doa. And look what happens again.
Tune in next launch for redditors continued delusional and failure to accept reality due to thinking AMD is their best friend.
Firefox72@reddit
The narative was never that RTX 4000 and 5000 were DOA.
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
EVERY SINGLE rtx 40 was considered trash except 4090. Every single 50 series is considered trash
PainterRude1394@reddit
Yes, these were both popular narratives.
CatsAndCapybaras@reddit
I think you are trying to revise history or conflating people's frustration with a "narrative". The general sentiment was that prices are shit and we should be getting more for our money compared with historical trends. That's all I remember.
Also, AMD did have a chance to take market share from Nvidia. They fucked up with RDNA3 pricing, and they will also fuck up with RDNA4 unless they start producing and delivering a lot more stock.
Mean-Professiontruth@reddit
Nope it's the same shit was said during the rtx40 series launches
Cable_Hoarder@reddit
He is not, just go look at some early reviews from the like sof Hardware unboxed and Gamers Nexus for the 40-series.
Go look at some posts from this very forum from around the same time, about how fucked nvidia is, how no one will pay those prices, how it's AMDs time to shine with their upcoming 7000 series.
A lot of upvoted threads and comments here were convinced that AMD were going to come in with a $650-700 7800 XT and a $850-900 XTX and smash the 4070Ti and 4080.
That Nvidia's greed would finally be their downfall.
You're right that AMD fucked up their pricing, but Nvidia didn't. They charged exactly what the market could bare (as much as we all hate it), exactly as a manufacturer should do, what any of us would do for our businesses.
If enough people will pay more for the same product you'd be a fool to leave money on the table.
PainterRude1394@reddit
No, I am not revising history.
chefchef97@reddit
It's going to be sad when that Windows Mixed Reality line abruptly crunches to 0
Unusual_Mess_7962@reddit
Yeah, I dont even got a WMR headset but its still a travety what MS is doing.
Kougar@reddit
Still don't understand why Valve doesn't just survey the entire userbase to mitigate these random sampling aberrations that basically makes the resulting data spurious. More than a decade ago I used to get survey prompts monthly, now I see a steam survey prompt 1-2 times a year. Valve's sample size doesn't appear to have kept pace with the increase in the Steam user count.
MdxBhmt@reddit
Privacy for one.
It would have been a PR nightmare if it wasn't opt in when introduced.
And, keeping in mind that the survey is to gauge trends, not market share, changing the survey now for compulsory would invalidate the main value of the survey for devs for months.
Opt out would be an even bigger mess.
Also, your anecdotal experience means absolutely nothing to how solid or not are the survey stats. To boot, you don't need 10x more surveys if the population grew 10x, again keeping in mind it look for rough trends.
Kougar@reddit
To be clear I'm not referring to people who decline to opt-in. Understand that Valve's sample size is just a small subset of its userbase, which is why there is so much variability in the data and why the variability continues to get worse as the userbase increases. It's basic statistics, the sample size is too small to be a representative sample anymore. Too small a sample size will result in a larger standard deviation, which is what we've been seeing for years with the wild swings in Valve's survey data.
If Valve was polling the entire install base then everyone would be receiving a popup to participate (or decline to participate) every single month. This used to be the case back when steam was new, people would get survey participation popups almost every single month.
MdxBhmt@reddit
Are you for real asking valve to spam all users monthly?
Kougar@reddit
Nah. They the way to do it would be users can opt-out once, or make it opt-in once and a configurable option in the settings thereafter. Most software you use already permanently mines your data without ever giving you a single popup about it.
MdxBhmt@reddit
This is worse than opt in for a subset.
Clean_Security2366@reddit
+0.88% new Linux users.
Hopefully it will grow even more in the future.
OutlandishnessOk11@reddit
There are plenty of 5080 stock, it is the 5090 that is MIA.
Vb_33@reddit
Top GPU is 3060 desktop and 4060 desktop. Desktop isn't out of the game yet boys.
lidekwhatname@reddit
5080 but not 5070 or 5070ti is very surprising no? or just because it released earlier
NGGKroze@reddit (OP)
Released earlier and given that 5070Ti prices have been absurdly high and 5070 is newer, it might take some time for them to appear. It's still surprising that 5080 appears given the stock levels and the prices.