Bullpup Mosin Nagant used by a Russian MVD soldier

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Spy_crab_@reddit

This feels like the (il)logical conclusion of 'reaching around an AK to hit the charging handle' ergonomics.

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lordvelour@reddit

But... why... As if Mosins weren't already low on the bolt action totem pole.

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tula23@reddit

I mean they’re not the best rifle ever but I think they’re far from the worst. Especially when dialled in and worked over a bit.

I mean the world’s greatest sniper (Simo Häyhä) used a reworked one.

It’s a lot better than a Lebel or even a Carcano imo. They’re not perfect but there’s a good reason they’re still used today

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atomiccheesegod@reddit

Me and some friends made a simple drill where we had to grab, load and fire a WW2 bolt gun at 5 steel targets, then run and grab the next rifle and repeat.

We had a Mosin, a SMILE, a K98 and a Arisaka. Doing a drill like that really cemented how great the Mauser and enfield are and how lousy the Mosin is, and I adore mosins.

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MusicallyInhibited@reddit

How about the Arisaka? I've heard they're pretty good as long as you don't get a late war one.

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atomiccheesegod@reddit

Also junk compared to the others. Stubby little bolt handle doesn’t do it any favors

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DragonSlayr4141@reddit

Many of Simos kills were with a suomi

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atomiccheesegod@reddit

They have 100,000s of them laying around. And 7.62x54r is still a nasty round. Work with what you have

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yoteboi@reddit

It's cheaper , why buy a expensive new rifle when you can modify the ones you all ready have

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sinisteraxillary@reddit

Was all that just so you could use a regular optic instead of a long eye relief scout scope?

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Kilahti@reddit

Sweet Jesus! They actually did it. A military updated a Mosin-Nagant sniper and made it somehow worse than the TKIV 85...

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Oltsutism@reddit

What's so bad about the good old Tkiv 85?

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Kilahti@reddit

It was sold to the government with the promise that reusing parts from old rifles will be cheaper than buying new rifles from SAKO.

Now, obviously when you are rebuilding Mosin-Nagants that were in some cases built in the 19th century, there is a lot that needs to be changed. They swapped in new barrels (obviously) put in new stocks, new scopes, new bipods and of course new trigger mechanism and bolts.

The only thing remaining from the old rifles is the receiver (parts of which had to be removed to fit in the new bolt and barrel) and internal magazine basically and possibly some parts of the bolt (though these are housed inside a new bolt.)

All this for a higher cost than new SAKO rifles (or from any manufacturer really.)

Also, the magazine in a Mosin-Nagant is not in any way worth preserving. You can't use stripper clips anymore (even if the scope wasn't in the way, I think the guide rail for clips was removed) so you are loading single cartridges in and can't just put in a new magazine.

Also, I have fired the TKIV 85 and sure, I did hit my target, but we could have gone to a brand new (and better) rifle and possibly even a new cartridge instead of the old 7.62x54R at the same time so it was just not worth the cost.

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