The issue is shadows. You put one high rise in in a neighborhood where the buildings are like, 5/6 stories, and it'll cast a consistent shadow over a lot of people's houses. They lose sun they had.
With the Seaport, nothing was there. High rises could go up and the shadows wouldn't disrupt anyone.
There's limits and concessions for new high rises that go in downtown, based on where the shadows will fall.
There supposed to be a lot of high rise housing going in at the bay side expo center site next to umass Boston. It's next to the ocean, and there's not much there that needs to be concerned about shadows so I can build high.
It's easier to build out from where there is already high rises then to just plop one on its own.
No, here in Alaska it’s more like NIYBY or BANANA, “Not In Your Back Yard” or “Build Absolutely Nothing Near Anything.” Outside interests do their damndest to keep us from developing our natural resources.
A synagogue wanted to build a new building in one of the most jewish parts of my heavily jewish town and one abutter said she opposed the project because she didn't want to hear children laughing in the playground right next to her house
Yes, but we're actually slowly making progress on it (NYC). Adams is a shit mayor, corrupt as hell, and a liar, but City of Yes is a great start and will lead to tons more housing being built.
It wasn't until this proposal came up that I was even aware there was a rule here that if you built over a certain height you were REQUIRED to provide a certain amount of parking.
I feel like if you are moving somewhere you should be aware of the airport near by. Although if I lived somewhere for years and they built an airport next door I'd be pissed to lmao
Not as much when it comes to housing, but yes, a lot, when it comes to transitional housing or treatment centers or public service entities for poor/vulnerable/underserved people.
Which, ok, I kinda get, but at the same time, those NIMBYS also don't offer any realistic alternatives, so the problem never really gets solved.
Yes. I'm the NIMBYist. The worst part of going out in my backyard is hearing and seeing all the neighbors I want absolutely nothing to do with. Our fences are so low and flimsy that you can't even see it from some angles. It feels like we all share one big backyard. I'd rather be surrounded by abandoned houses and empty lots.
Oh definitely. The most obvious example right now is people keep railing that they want the city government to do something about the increase in homelessness, but they don't want new low income housing built anywhere near them. And they don't have any other suggestions aside from "just fix it."
We have a growing homeless population. For years, there have been calls for the city to build out more shelters and transitional housing, but whenever a new shelter project is announced, there's always a big uproar from the residents and business owners in that corner of town.
Yes. I live in a place where people complain about the housing prices and then turn around to criticize the development of multi-family housing. They complain about traffic, then refuse to push for better public transport.
Oh sure. There are people who'll complain about any construction. "Oh no, they're tearing down an abandoned warehouse to build 20 apartments, that'll make traffic impossible".
Yeah some people are mad about them trying to redevelop a site here with affordable apartments. It's so ridiculous. We live in rural New England, gangs are not going to move in
yep. a large deposit of natural gas was found in Pennsylvania.
there was to be a natural gas pipeline to the boston MA area. all the politicians got together to kill the pipeline. their excuse was climate change and NIMBY.
this last winter natural gas prices went up 40%, due to gas undersupply. Boy did those politicians screw up. they were publicly whining that the energy companies were crooks, BUT the energy companies were responsible and TRIED to improve the infrastructure a decade ago.
In Maine we had the Northern Pass project to get high power transmission lines built so we could get cheap hydroelectric power from Quebec pushed down to New England. There was a lot of NIMBY arguments and weirdly environmental groups fighting each other because the lines would mean forest cut down but it would also reduce the carbon footprint. It didn’t pass.
Anyone who complains about NIMBYism is simply a person that wants to purchase a house in an area they cannot afford.
They think housing should be built until it reaches the density that allows them to buy, and only then do they turn their attention to the problems exacerbated by high density (like congestion).
Yes. I live in a very small farming community and they are very concerned about a sudden increase in development if farmers were to sell their entire land to developers. Currently the big thing at town meetings is ensuring that a farmer won’t sell everything to a single developer which could double our population with over priced houses built on top of each other (because that’s what’s getting built in other areas). They want to limit the number of acres that can be broken off and sold over a period of time.
I can see their concern to an extent. We don’t have much in the way of services, we buy our water from a neighboring district, we don’t have sewers. Some people don’t have internet, natural gas or central heat. We don’t have our own school district, library, gas station or even a stop light. Our roads are single lane and there’s nowhere to expand them.
The thing is, these farms aren’t making a ton of money and the kids don’t want to be farmers. We do need local farms, we depend on local farms, but farmers should be able to sell. We also need more affordable housing, but that’s not what the developers are planning on building.
Not so much NIMBYism, more “we don’t want to pay for that”
NIMBYs want the thing, right? They just don’t want it close by. People near me don’t want it near by, don’t want to pay for it, and don’t want to use it. (Basically mass transit, though they also vote down anything that would expand government).
I think they are both pretty descriptive of different types of folks. Some folks just want nothing to change and others are pissed something changes in their “back yard.”
Yeah if you just oppose a thing in general, that's not NIMBYism. I may disagree, but reasonable people can believe that public transit is a bad investment in a given city.
The problem is people who want better transit but also don't want anything in their neighborhood to change.
Yep. I work in the gravel industry and dealing with them is a huge part of my job.
No one wants a gravel pit near where they live, but modern society absolutely requires gravel-based products such as concrete to function. This causes an eternal battle between homeowners and gravel companies, and NIMBY-spurred permitting hurdles have created a serious gravel shortage, even though we have some of the finest natural gravel deposits in the world here.
Ann Arbor Michigan, it's awful, though the younger NIMBYs are realizing that you can't want low rents and be a NIMBY and they're slowly changing. The older NIMBYs seem to be getting more entrenched.
It is absolutely a contributing factor to to the sprawl and ever worsening traffic situation in my area.
When you price everyone out of an area but still need their labor to do all the work, those poor saps are gonna have to drive from some area ~`1hr outside of the city
My wife and I lost our home in the Eaton Fire, and the resistance to any kind of multi-family or mixed use building along main roads has been pretty eye opening.
(That aside, a shelter was built nearby a couple years back and my upstairs neighbor tried to stop it from happening. So I don’t know if it’s a big problem but I have seen an example of it)
Yeah. My city doesn’t have enough housing for our population numbers and people get very heated about new builds, affordable housing, B units, etc. Lots of debate and yard signs about it.
CupBeEmpty@reddit
We have CAVES… citizens against virtually everything.
New England has a lot of history and people hate change.
It’s a bipartisan thing too. Some folks hate any change because it might disrupt nature other think the change will disrupt history.
It’s a bit annoying.
QuarterMaestro@reddit
Speaking of New England, it's kind of wild that Boston doesn't have more high rise residential buildings.
biddily@reddit
The issue is shadows. You put one high rise in in a neighborhood where the buildings are like, 5/6 stories, and it'll cast a consistent shadow over a lot of people's houses. They lose sun they had.
With the Seaport, nothing was there. High rises could go up and the shadows wouldn't disrupt anyone.
There's limits and concessions for new high rises that go in downtown, based on where the shadows will fall.
There supposed to be a lot of high rise housing going in at the bay side expo center site next to umass Boston. It's next to the ocean, and there's not much there that needs to be concerned about shadows so I can build high.
It's easier to build out from where there is already high rises then to just plop one on its own.
Shadow law also exists in NYC skyscrapers.
Tinkco86@reddit
I think Cambridge has just changed their laws to allow taller residential buildings.
Odd-Help-4293@reddit
Yeah, NIMBYism is one of the few things that people can agree on across the aisle lol.
Eff-Bee-Exx@reddit
No, here in Alaska it’s more like NIYBY or BANANA, “Not In Your Back Yard” or “Build Absolutely Nothing Near Anything.” Outside interests do their damndest to keep us from developing our natural resources.
Technical_Plum2239@reddit
Do you mean extract natural resources? Or develop like hydro-electric?
Eff-Bee-Exx@reddit
Mainly extracting natural resources, but I’m certain that they’d be out in force if the state tried to construct a major hydro project.
Technical_Plum2239@reddit
Is it on state land?
Figgler@reddit
My wife introduced me to the term CAVE people. Citizens Against Virtually Everything.
Curmudgy@reddit
No, we don't want NIMBYs moving here so we ban more housing.
va2wv2va@reddit
lol same here in Baltimore
Vast_Pension1320@reddit
No NIMBYs in MY backyard!
Blue387@reddit
Yes, the people by LaGuardia airport don't want a train link to the airport so folks have to take cabs and buses, etc.
CrownStarr@reddit
I cannot imagine choosing to live by an airport and then getting pissy about something like that.
mrjabrony@reddit
I think it's a requirement in order to live by an airport in this country
nicozi@reddit
fuck those people. seriously.
brooklinian@reddit
A synagogue wanted to build a new building in one of the most jewish parts of my heavily jewish town and one abutter said she opposed the project because she didn't want to hear children laughing in the playground right next to her house
Dry-Sky1614@reddit
Yes, but we're actually slowly making progress on it (NYC). Adams is a shit mayor, corrupt as hell, and a liar, but City of Yes is a great start and will lead to tons more housing being built.
It wasn't until this proposal came up that I was even aware there was a rule here that if you built over a certain height you were REQUIRED to provide a certain amount of parking.
MaterialInevitable83@reddit
Planes tend to really upset people who live near airports.
captaincheem@reddit
I feel like if you are moving somewhere you should be aware of the airport near by. Although if I lived somewhere for years and they built an airport next door I'd be pissed to lmao
MaterialInevitable83@reddit
They sign that they know the airport is there before they move in. They just don’t care about what’s fair.
Subject_Stand_7901@reddit
Not as much when it comes to housing, but yes, a lot, when it comes to transitional housing or treatment centers or public service entities for poor/vulnerable/underserved people.
Which, ok, I kinda get, but at the same time, those NIMBYS also don't offer any realistic alternatives, so the problem never really gets solved.
inmidSeasonForm@reddit
Yes and I am that nimby. Love my HOA. Regulate me.
JuanMurphy@reddit
Not where I lived. Everyone stayed out of everyone else’s business.
ScreamingLightspeed@reddit
Yes. I'm the NIMBYist. The worst part of going out in my backyard is hearing and seeing all the neighbors I want absolutely nothing to do with. Our fences are so low and flimsy that you can't even see it from some angles. It feels like we all share one big backyard. I'd rather be surrounded by abandoned houses and empty lots.
gabrielsburg@reddit
Oh definitely. The most obvious example right now is people keep railing that they want the city government to do something about the increase in homelessness, but they don't want new low income housing built anywhere near them. And they don't have any other suggestions aside from "just fix it."
catherine_tudesca@reddit
No I live in a pretty bad neighborhood
happyburger25@reddit
NIMBYism in Anne Arundel County is exactly why the Baltimore area never got a multi-line subway/metro like DC has.
faxdontlie@reddit
It's a problem anywhere there are boomers.
brzantium@reddit
We have a growing homeless population. For years, there have been calls for the city to build out more shelters and transitional housing, but whenever a new shelter project is announced, there's always a big uproar from the residents and business owners in that corner of town.
The-Bard@reddit
Yes. I live in a place where people complain about the housing prices and then turn around to criticize the development of multi-family housing. They complain about traffic, then refuse to push for better public transport.
Odd-Help-4293@reddit
Oh sure. There are people who'll complain about any construction. "Oh no, they're tearing down an abandoned warehouse to build 20 apartments, that'll make traffic impossible".
Meilingcrusader@reddit
Yeah some people are mad about them trying to redevelop a site here with affordable apartments. It's so ridiculous. We live in rural New England, gangs are not going to move in
ZaphodG@reddit
The town would fight low income or public housing to the death. There is zoning for minimum frontage and setbacks.
Spud8000@reddit
yep. a large deposit of natural gas was found in Pennsylvania.
there was to be a natural gas pipeline to the boston MA area. all the politicians got together to kill the pipeline. their excuse was climate change and NIMBY.
this last winter natural gas prices went up 40%, due to gas undersupply. Boy did those politicians screw up. they were publicly whining that the energy companies were crooks, BUT the energy companies were responsible and TRIED to improve the infrastructure a decade ago.
Silly_Somewhere1791@reddit
Fracking is terrible for the environment. It was right to shut it down.
Spud8000@reddit
Sounds VERY NIMBY-ish of you.
based on what FACTS?
Silly_Somewhere1791@reddit
Do you know what fracking actually is? Is contaminates water and triggers earthquakes.
Spud8000@reddit
actually i do. i have done mining engineering projects. what are YOUR qualifications?
fracking injects sand and high pressure water.
watch out next time you go to the beach, that DANGEROUS SAND is all around there. AND water too.
syndicatecomplex@reddit
Using fracking to justify more development is WILD.
CupBeEmpty@reddit
In Maine we had the Northern Pass project to get high power transmission lines built so we could get cheap hydroelectric power from Quebec pushed down to New England. There was a lot of NIMBY arguments and weirdly environmental groups fighting each other because the lines would mean forest cut down but it would also reduce the carbon footprint. It didn’t pass.
MortimerDongle@reddit
Yes, my township has an effective ban on multi-family housing.
Kman17@reddit
Anyone who complains about NIMBYism is simply a person that wants to purchase a house in an area they cannot afford.
They think housing should be built until it reaches the density that allows them to buy, and only then do they turn their attention to the problems exacerbated by high density (like congestion).
There are close to zero exceptions to this rule.
captaincheem@reddit
Its not just about housing. I see it with pipelines too and I see absolutely nothing wrong with a pipeline that lowers the cost of gas.
SpaceCadetBoneSpurs@reddit
In my area, we have BANANAism — or as I like to call it, Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anyone.
malibuklw@reddit
Yes. I live in a very small farming community and they are very concerned about a sudden increase in development if farmers were to sell their entire land to developers. Currently the big thing at town meetings is ensuring that a farmer won’t sell everything to a single developer which could double our population with over priced houses built on top of each other (because that’s what’s getting built in other areas). They want to limit the number of acres that can be broken off and sold over a period of time.
I can see their concern to an extent. We don’t have much in the way of services, we buy our water from a neighboring district, we don’t have sewers. Some people don’t have internet, natural gas or central heat. We don’t have our own school district, library, gas station or even a stop light. Our roads are single lane and there’s nowhere to expand them.
The thing is, these farms aren’t making a ton of money and the kids don’t want to be farmers. We do need local farms, we depend on local farms, but farmers should be able to sell. We also need more affordable housing, but that’s not what the developers are planning on building.
Konigwork@reddit
Not so much NIMBYism, more “we don’t want to pay for that”
NIMBYs want the thing, right? They just don’t want it close by. People near me don’t want it near by, don’t want to pay for it, and don’t want to use it. (Basically mass transit, though they also vote down anything that would expand government).
CupBeEmpty@reddit
CAVEs - citizens against virtually everything
Financial_Month_3475@reddit
Sounds like my community too.
TywinDeVillena@reddit
Far more descriptive than NIMBY
CupBeEmpty@reddit
I think they are both pretty descriptive of different types of folks. Some folks just want nothing to change and others are pissed something changes in their “back yard.”
shreiben@reddit
Yeah if you just oppose a thing in general, that's not NIMBYism. I may disagree, but reasonable people can believe that public transit is a bad investment in a given city.
The problem is people who want better transit but also don't want anything in their neighborhood to change.
Particular-Cloud6659@reddit
I dont think so?
ALoungerAtTheClubs@reddit
Isn't it just democracy working as intended at that point (even if you and I might wish it were different)?
SysError404@reddit
NIMBYism exist everywhere humans exist, it's not just isolated to Americans.
concrete_isnt_cement@reddit
Yep. I work in the gravel industry and dealing with them is a huge part of my job.
No one wants a gravel pit near where they live, but modern society absolutely requires gravel-based products such as concrete to function. This causes an eternal battle between homeowners and gravel companies, and NIMBY-spurred permitting hurdles have created a serious gravel shortage, even though we have some of the finest natural gravel deposits in the world here.
rendeld@reddit
Ann Arbor Michigan, it's awful, though the younger NIMBYs are realizing that you can't want low rents and be a NIMBY and they're slowly changing. The older NIMBYs seem to be getting more entrenched.
Adept_Thanks_6993@reddit
You have no idea....
BrainFartTheFirst@reddit
Very much yes.
The housing market here is completely ridiculous because of it.
Jswazy@reddit
An absolutely massive problem
terryaugiesaws@reddit
It is absolutely a contributing factor to to the sprawl and ever worsening traffic situation in my area.
When you price everyone out of an area but still need their labor to do all the work, those poor saps are gonna have to drive from some area ~`1hr outside of the city
gummi-demilo@reddit
Yes. They’re currently trying to shut down a concert venue that has a 10pm curfew.
smcl2k@reddit
Yeah, 100%.
My wife and I lost our home in the Eaton Fire, and the resistance to any kind of multi-family or mixed use building along main roads has been pretty eye opening.
PickleProvider@reddit
I don't even know what that is.
brian11e3@reddit
I live in a farming community. We banded together and managed to stop the purchase of land by a major factory farming company, and also Starbucks.
freedraw@reddit
Greater Boston area - Holy fuck, yes!
Particular-Cloud6659@reddit
I dont think more than is needed.
Im trying to stop a horse race track from being built now.
The potential owners are shit shows in every possible way.
ATLien_3000@reddit
Of course it is.
It's a problem wherever you live too.
The idea that anyone, anywhere, wouldn't complain about something going in next to them that no one wants next door is absurd.
TheLizardKing89@reddit
It’s a problem almost everywhere in the country.
The_Bjorn_Ultimatum@reddit
Necromancy Indulgence Making Bodies Yawn?
Nah. We got silver tipped 5.56 for that.
boldjoy0050@reddit
In the Dallas area, yes. People vote are very against public transit of any kind.
tlonreddit@reddit
I wouldn't call it a "problem".
mustang6172@reddit
No, because I'm the NIMBY.
OhThrowed@reddit
Not really, we tend to recognize needs and address them. For example, in the last election we voted to increase our taxes for school funding.
DOMSdeluise@reddit
yeah the mayor has been at war with bike lanes and pedestrian safety measures. awful.
SlamClick@reddit
Not really. The biggest complaints from people in my area are "outsiders" from California/Northeast moving here to retire.
jephph_@reddit
Hey wait I don’t even have a backyard
(That aside, a shelter was built nearby a couple years back and my upstairs neighbor tried to stop it from happening. So I don’t know if it’s a big problem but I have seen an example of it)
Bright_Ices@reddit
NYMBYism is a problem pretty much where any people live.
KennstduIngo@reddit
No, not in my backyard. That's somebody else's problem.
DraperPenPals@reddit
Yeah. My city doesn’t have enough housing for our population numbers and people get very heated about new builds, affordable housing, B units, etc. Lots of debate and yard signs about it.
AdelleDeWitt@reddit
Yes