Am I wrong in assuming that getting an EV is unrealistic if I don't have access to any home or work charging?
Posted by Admirable-Gate-2557@reddit | askcarguys | View on Reddit | 96 comments
I keep getting promoted material saying there's no reason not to have an EV these days, but I can't charge at home or at work. I drive about 50m per week, and the idea of needing to seek out a EV charging station that is compatible with my car of choice seems quite stressful. I know it's technically possible, but seems like it would be inconvienent to the point where I would probably trade in for a hybrid in two years.
SnooChipmunks2079@reddit
Most cars can charge at most chargers at this point. You might need an adapter.
But if you don’t have dedicated charging at home or work, just say no. Het a nice hybrid.
right415@reddit
I am an automotive enthusiast who has several internal combustion engine cars as well as an electric vehicle. The internal combustion engine cars are hobby vehicles and backup vehicles, I drive the electric car 5 to 6 days a week. I would say that the lack of ability to charge at home or work would be a dealbreaker. Level two charging stations take eight or more hours, and DC fast charging marks up the cost of the electricity to the point that there aren't really any cost savings to be had. Over gas. Especially considering the upfront purchase price of evs.I have a level two charger installed in my garage and can charge overnight. I also get discounted electricity when I charge at work. If I could not do this I would not consider having an electric car. To rephrase this, your only options would be leaving your car somewhere for eight or more hours, or paying for high price electricity that isn't that much cheaper than gasoline. If you are enthusiastic about reducing your carbon footprint or the performance that electric vehicles offer, that is a whole different story. Also not worthy, you would need to own the car for seven or more years to actually reduce your carbon footprint.
disembodied_voice@reddit
Lifecycle analysis research places the breakeven point at 22 months, not seven years.
DavidinCT@reddit
Not all the data there, look up what needs to be mined for the batteries at that volume for cars. the carbon footprint is worse on a EV, even a base one, than a 4-cylinder car for over 100K miles...
disembodied_voice@reddit
The lifecycle analysis I cited already accounts for battery manufacturing. EVs still come out ahead.
No, it's not. The breakeven is 21,300 miles, as per the lifecycle analysis.
DavidinCT@reddit
Nope, do your homework, not even close.... research on what it takes to build the batteries (and an EV uses a ton of them) all the components needed to build an EV battery and it's not even close.
I'm meh on each, I see their upsides and down sides but, I am not a fanboy of one or the other, EV fanboys only want to hear what will justify their ownership.
Thanks for confirming a blind EV fan who is blind to the true facts..
disembodied_voice@reddit
I did do my homework. I even presented it to you. You don't get to tell me to do my homework while ignoring the actual research that I did on the matter.
Says the person ignoring the actual research being presented that already accounts for manufacturing.
right415@reddit
I stand corrected. This is the first white paper I have read that summarizes the subject that well. Thank you for sharing
frzn_dad_2@reddit
Check the source more carefully, doesn't pass the sniff test for not being heavily biased to a specific outcome.
disembodied_voice@reddit
Their outcome is consistent with just about every study done on the matter. Or do you want to tell me that every source that doesn't tell you what you want to hear is biased?
frzn_dad_2@reddit
No skin in the game, have no preference if it is right or not.
The website and the group posting that paper didn't appear to be an unbiased source. Doesn't necessarily mean it is inaccurate they could just be promoting legit scientific research that supports their position. It just didn't pass the sniff test to assume it was a good source without more research.
If there are ten studies that come to the same conclusion more power to them. I know the topic is debated and depending on what you include exclude the numbers can vary widely.
disembodied_voice@reddit
Again, what's your basis for that?
TrollCannon377@reddit
It depends heavily on the grid mix where you live but yeah even on a purely coal powered grid an EV will still break even within about 5 years
MEINSHNAKE@reddit
Lots of “could do’s” regarding life cycle of batteries in that paper, none of which is actively done today. Still waiting to see research on the effects of the EV battery industry from a social and environmental standpoint. Definitely not saying EV’s (or some other alternative fuel vehicle) aren’t the future, but man are there a lot of things not regularly discussed about the manufacturing process and life expectancy of the current batch.
disembodied_voice@reddit
The question here concerns the lifecycle carbon footprint, which the lifecycle analysis models using actual electrical generation data in use today by grid subregion.
This has been done ages ago. Spoiler alert: Even if you account for those things, EVs are still better for the environment than ICE vehicles.
LeoAlioth@reddit
it depends on the grid's power source mix, an is more realistically expressed in distance driven than time...
disembodied_voice@reddit
The lifecycle analysis I cited already accounted for the grid's power source mix.
The lifecycle analysis I cited already accounts for this, and gives the distance driven as 21,300 miles. I only expressed it in time because OP did.
LeoAlioth@reddit
The article cites the grid mix for the USA as a whole, assuming OP is from US, you are completely correct.
And i completely ignored the possibility that someone would calculate the timeframe for the OP-s situation directly - sorry for that :)
Admirable-Gate-2557@reddit (OP)
That indeed does sound like a dealbreaker! I appreciate your detailed reply!
Boring_Bug_9637@reddit
I have an EV, and I would not recommend getting one if you can’t charge at home or work. Fast charging is as or more expensive than gas, without even factoring in the inconvenience. The benefits come from charging at home.
BlazinAzn38@reddit
Exactly, having to use public charging removes a good portion of the benefits of the entire thing
i_forgot_my_sn_again@reddit
Depends where you live. I'm in Seattle and they have public charging stations all around the city. This is a list of where and how much. There's one only a couple blocks from my apt that I would use if I had an EV. If I'm commuting from my place to work it's 20 miles round trip since I just transferred, it was 10 round trip prior. And if I'm commuting from my gf place then I could charge at her house.
BlazinAzn38@reddit
It’s far more expensive than charging at home and is at best price parity with gas with longer fuel up times.
i_forgot_my_sn_again@reddit
.22*60=13.20 (using the public city charger in the link I posted)
Nissan leaf gets 149 miles range, my commute is 100 a week. Rarely going more than a few miles over since the grocery store is on the way home. So less than $20 a week for electric. That public charger is only a couple blocks away so plugging in then walking home to eat and then walking back an hour or so later isn't a "longer fuel up time."
My current car Honda Accord is about $50 ($3.99/gallon at Costco or $5.29/gallon across the street from said charger) to fill up and work only commute is about 2 weeks since it's mostly city driving.
It's obviously a ymmv type of deal. For me it wouldn't be "far more expensive" or time consuming. Other places that aren't set up then obviously yes.
ChuckoRuckus@reddit
A Honda Accord gets 29 mpg city. 100 mile weekly commute at $3.99/gal would cost under $14.
i_forgot_my_sn_again@reddit
I said every 2 weeks for gas in my car is about $50. It's a 2013 accord sport 6 speed. For city it's rated at 24mpg. 24*15=360 miles. That's 3 weeks so about $17 a week.
$13 a week for using city charging vs $17 for gas. It's like I said, in my case having an EV wouldn't be more expensive and since it there's a charging station a couple blocks away it wouldn't be time consuming either.
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2013_Honda_Accord.shtml
Scazitar@reddit
Yup my wife had one for a few years,
I've said this a lot on here but alot of people's fears are exaggerated. Overall it was a great low matientence car.
However the charging one is not. Its an insane inconvenience if your not charging at home. We have busy lives right now and absolutely zero time for that shit.
R0ck3tSc13nc3@reddit
I have found a plug-in hybrid to be useful for us, we charge it with a slow charger every night, and that works perfectly fine. And if we take a longer trip, we have the gas engine to revert to. Essentially it's a hybrid with an oversized storage battery. Generally speaking we only buy gas every few months, since 20 or 30 miles of local range is plenty. That's something you can just plug into a wall.
If we did not have that gas engine to revert to, and we took a longer trip, we would have to have a much bigger battery, and either you charge it over days and days with a slow charger which is a hassle, or it charges in about 8 to 10 hours with a fast charger. So that's the thing about not having access to home or work charging that's powerful, you just really can't fill the tank.
If you have zero access to any charging ever, I'm not really clear how you can make it work unless you visit Kohl's and use the free charger. Or something like that. There could be a situation around you that you could take advantage of, I was totally shocked to find out that some retail places were giving away free charging to get you to come. That's like free gas. So that's a crazy option but it's something to consider, look around online and you can find out if there's free charging local to you. And if you want to use that car locally, you just have to charge it once a week or so and maybe go shopping. Maybe it's workable.
So if you got a Kohl's down the street or a Starbucks or some other place that gives you free or just kind of charging, run the numbers, maybe it's worth it to get an electric car. And even if you pay to get charging, find out what rates are available around you and you can decide whether or not it's less than or equivalent to gas costs
But wow you can probably figure out where all the free and paid charge stations are locally since you live there and you have time to check them out, taking the long distance road trip and relying on finding charging stations along the way, that's where I start to struggle. I've seen those shut down so many times, or defective or damaged and I could just imagine being on my last little trickle of charge in the battery and finding out the place I wanted to charge is defunct.
TheWhogg@reddit
Forget all the other arguments. Unless you really love the EV experience, you’re paying a massive premium. In round numbers, 100% of the cost of motoring is capital (depreciation, interest, insurance and registration). Variable costs of motoring are effectively zero. (Ask the guy that sold me his car.)
The people that should have EVs are the ones doing Uber, and of course they almost all do. Massive mileage well before the battery has time to go bad, and maybe a lunch break charge followed by another run then charge at home. They do few cycles because the battery goes from 80 to 20%, then repeats after lunch.
For low mileage use, drive a beater. My partner drives a maximum 10mi to work / college / shop. She does it in a very respectable old 520d wagon. If it failed, we would use mine until I can sort it out. The car cost me $US5k. Before that she drove a 20yo Lexus, a magnificent piece of engineering. All she needs is cold in summer and warm in winter plus luggage space.
Academic_Dare_5154@reddit
I've been driving a hybrid for the last four years and I love the gas mileage (700 miles per tank in summer).
When the infrastructure is better, I'll look at an EV.
(New England)
Admirable-Gate-2557@reddit (OP)
It really does seem like Hybrid is the way for now.
Academic_Dare_5154@reddit
I've been a Toyota driver for years. I really like the Camry Hybrid.
ActuallyStark@reddit
In my very limited opinion, my answer would be it depends on where you live.
If you are not in an area that is consistently very hot or very cold, I would say this could absolutely be done. In my experience renting EVs (mostly Tesla, and a LOT of times) EV charging is cheaper on my expense report than fuel and is VERY quick.. I've never spent more than 15 mins at a supercharger. You could potentially charge weekly at a public charger and do just fine.
Hot or cold requires more use of HVAC which could be inconvenient. Not having a high speed charger within a short distance of work or home would be inconvenient. In my experience, I've never had a problem finding one that's close anywhere in the country.. that being said, there are no high speed chargers in the town I live in, nor the town I work in.. so if I couldn't charge at home or work, I, too, wouldn't do this.
If you have a high speed charger near you and you live in a moderate climate, most EVs with a range over 250 miles would work out for you.
That all being said.. I think non-plug in hybrid is probably a better idea until you can at least plug in a standard wall-socket (110) plug (slow charging) at work or home. Overnight at home, even slow charging is enough for your mileage.
THAT being said, keep in mind that there are so many less things to maintain on an EV.. no fuel systems, no oiling systems, no "anti freeze" (still has a closed loop cooling for battery, but not like what you know in an ICE car), no exhaust, alternator, no intake filter, fuel filter, oil filter, brakes rarely get used... 7 out of 10 systems that require constant attention just aren't there. Its a great "drive and forget" type experience.
lender704@reddit
We were without a L2 charger for a month and it was a chore keeping it charged. Unless you’re super close to a charger, I wouldn’t bother
Carlpanzram1916@reddit
Im on my second EV and I agree with you. Wouldn’t get one if I couldn’t charge at home. If you don’t have somewhere that you know you will spend a few hours at regularly where you know you’ll have charging access, a full EV will be more trouble than it’s worth. It will be a constant source of stress when you get below half a charge. You know that sometime in the next few days you have to spend multiple hours somewhere in order to charge the car. A lot of public chargers are really slow so it won’t be feasible to charge to 80%. You’ll have to park it somewhere 2-3 hours every week.
Square-Wild@reddit
I love EVs, but I will admit that one really appealing part of it is I have solar and the ability to charge at home, so it's like I'm not paying for fuel.
If I were you, I would do some more research. 50 miles per week is very low, so on average, you only need to charge once every 3-4 weeks. If there are chargers close to you, it might be easy enough to knock this out just by doing a run to Target, or the gym, or maybe even just watching an episode of something on Hulu over the weekend.
As for chargers for your brand, I think that most new EVs are on Tesla's network, which is frankly pretty decent. I would do some googling of whatever model you're interested, see which standard it uses, and check out where the chargers are.
Admirable-Gate-2557@reddit (OP)
For reasons outside the scope of this sub, I would actually be charging exclusively at non-Tesla charging points. The only EVs I would consider are the Nissan Leaf and the Ioniq 6, as I don't want an SUV!
Square-Wild@reddit
Fair enough. I dislike Musk as much as the next guy, but I think that if you're going to actively forego the Tesla charging network, and you don't have the ability to charge at home or work, the EV experience is going to be a pretty big hassle for you.
Square-Wild@reddit
Honestly, it's too bad that Elon went full evil (assuming that's the reason for not going Tesla). Because there's a really decent lease deal now- $1k down, $350/mo. for 36 months on the Model 3. If you wanted to dip your toe in the water and see if an EV is for you, that would be a good trial.
mittypyon@reddit
Cope. He's exposing the fraud, waste, and abuse.
gravelpi@reddit
He *is* the fraud, waste, and abuse.
mittypyon@reddit
Wrong.
Old_Acanthaceae5198@reddit
What is your goal here?
Reduce emissions or waste? Save money? Smoother driving experience?
jmartin2683@reddit
No, that’d be terrible and expensive. Charging at home is an absolute must for many reasons.
payagathanow@reddit
It's extremely intrusive without those options for sure. But why would you even consider it? If gas took several hours to fill, we'd all have pumps at home or be driving some other technology.
AnastasiusDicorus@reddit
Without home charging, there is currently no financial benefit to getting an EV. And you might get harassed for it also depending on what you get.
Abject-End-6070@reddit
Piling on here. It's most cost effective to have home charging. Public charging can be expensive over time (you pay for convenience and speed--especially DCFC).
BeaumainsBeckett@reddit
If you don’t have home/work charging available, an EV does not fit your circumstances very well. Some manufacturers are now doing programs where they’ll pay to install a home charger, but that doesn’t help if you’re street parking/in an apartment
TrollCannon377@reddit
If you have absolutely no way to charge at home or at work not even the ability to plug into a 110V outlet to get slow level 1 charging then no I wouldn't recommend an EV the biggest advantage to EVs is the ability to have it refuel over night while your sleeping or while your at work working
shortyjacobs@reddit
I adore my EV, and it's an absolute blast. But if I couldn't charge at home, I wouldn't have it. DC Fast Charge costs bring cost to run it down near what a 30 mpg car does. Plus it's still slow compared to a gas station. The lower maintenence is awesome, but without a home charger I'd still be on gas, (or hybrid).
New_Line4049@reddit
They don't make sense if you can't charge at home, public charging is more expensive (usually even more so than the petrol you would've used) and less convenient. You end up paying a lot of money to loose all the benefits of having an EV. You'd be better spending the money to get a petrol car that gets very good MPG.
Successful-Sand686@reddit
I have a higher mileage ev. Over 200 miles range.
While I have home charging I supercharge 80% of the time because it’s free. . . And I charge while shopping.
It’s saved me a lot of money on gas, and repairs.
If you knew anyone nearby with an ev, like a neighbor, ask them about free charging. You could sit at the library once a week and never need more charging.
Good luck. Sounds like you have a lot of good advice. Good luck
matureMentorNJ@reddit
Well kinda. I've had my EV since June. I plug it in a regular outside outlet over night. I never let it go below 100 miles range. No special outlet. But I'd be concerned driving over 200 miles though the car tells you the local charging stations it cant tell you if they are full of operational!
renegadeindian@reddit
Very bad idea. You can’t park a innlot of places die to the fire hazards. Many home insurance places won’t insure you home if you have one near it. Cops can take it if there is a crime that happened near it. They just load it u and drive off with it. Evidence ya know. Then there is the bake mode. Door and windows lock/font function when the battery goes up. It get real hot inside. Best yo rethink if that’s really your bag
Whiskeypants17@reddit
Just fyi gas cars catch fire 60x as often as evs. You know, due to the explosive gas in them. Ev fires are harder to fight though hence the worry.
"Data from the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board shows that there are approximately 25 fires for every 100,000 EVs sold. In comparison, there are approximately 1,530 fires for every 100,000 gas-powered vehicles sold."
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/report-evs-less-likely-to-catch-fire-than-gas-powered-cars/
renegadeindian@reddit
Thet don’t lock doors and windows and bake the driver and passengers
Signal-Confusion-976@reddit
Check with your local stores. The stop & shop in my town offers free charging while you are shopping. But I personally would not own a EV if I couldn't charge it at home.
kamikaziboarder@reddit
Why can’t you charge at home? And yes, it would be a deal breaker for me if i couldn’t charge at home. I have a 48 amp level 2 charger with solar management.
Admirable-Gate-2557@reddit (OP)
I live in an apartment complex that doesn't have EV charging in its garage.
insta@reddit
can you get access to a normal extension cord? you could probably get by with L1 charging at 100 miles a week, but you'll have to be diligent about getting it on the charger ASAP
Admirable-Gate-2557@reddit (OP)
An extension cord that would reach my apartment would be comically long and would have to snake up several fights of stairs which would be a tripping hazard.
akhimovy@reddit
Lmao, it would have to be the same for me and I just imagined it.
insta@reddit
going back to everyone else's suggestion of a pair of ebikes then.
only half joking -- if you've never ridden one, they can be set up more like an electric motorcycle, where the only pedaling work you as the rider do is getting off the line. once you're at about half walking pace (so, 2ft?), the motor can take over 100% so you're just along for the ride without exertion. they get about 300mpge as well, and most can easily keep up with traffic
Admirable-Gate-2557@reddit (OP)
eBiking 25miles one-way to a hockey game with a bag and sticks doesn't sound fun ;)
insta@reddit
ok these are some very random requirements that would have been better in the OP, i think everyone is assuming 12.5 mile commute (myself included)
get a used Prius
Admirable-Gate-2557@reddit (OP)
Oh yeah, I can't math, sorry.
CraziFuzzy@reddit
I'll be honest, for 50 miles a week, I'd seriously consider not even owning a car. How much does the car cost you for the car, maintenance, fuel, insurance, parking - compared to lyft/uber for 50 miles/week? Or an e-bike when the weather is nice (or when it isn't, if you can hack it).
Admirable-Gate-2557@reddit (OP)
I should've clarified, my partner also drives about 50 miles a week in addition to me. My trips are usually long and infrequent, so it'd probably sit for 5-7 days and then be needed to drive all 50 miles. My partner needs it for about 4 miles 3 or 4 times a week.
CraziFuzzy@reddit
at the same times?
CraziFuzzy@reddit
Your partner's 4 miles trips are perfect for bike or lyft.. you once a week drive is perfect for a carshare or other form of rental.
Admirable-Gate-2557@reddit (OP)
The route my partner takes isn't safe to bike. The Lyft estimate I just searched is about $180-210/week which is way more than we pay in insurance+gas currently.
Admirable-Gate-2557@reddit (OP)
Nope! Thankfully.
Sufficient-Bee5923@reddit
Given the low miles that you and partner are driving, you need to evaluate the business case and the carbon case for an EV. With very low miles driven, it hardly makes sense to spend a lot of money for an EV. From the environment standpoint, you aren't burning much carbon either so perhaps doesn't make sense from that standpoint either. The sweet spot in terms of return on investment is if you drive just less than the range of the vehicle until the next charge up.
tlrmln@reddit
Why can't you charge at home? Do you live in an apartment?
Assuming that's the case, if you get a Tesla or any car that can be charged at one of the many Tesla superchargers (i.e., most new EVs that will be sold after 2025), you can recharge 130 miles in about 10 minutes, which is about how long people spend getting gas at Costco.
Also, is there a charger at your grocery store parking lot?
sporkmanhands@reddit
IMO the absolute best benefit of the ev is “refueling” at home. Work would be a bonus. In my case I work from home so wouldn’t matter.
If you’re paying to refuel you’re not really seeing the benefit aside from environmental.
My theory- Think of an EV as a luxury V8 car. Really nicely equipped? Both. Fun to drive? Both. Quick off the line? Both. Limited range on a full tank? Both. Really fast to refuel but pricey? If you have your own charge point then no! EV wins! If you don’t have a charge point you’re reliant on those around and you have to pay out of pocket at a premium, just like the luxury V8.
Also in road trips you will have to stop and refuel more often and at a premium.
I really feel like once the Chinese EV’s make it to market here you’ll be able to throw all of that out the window. But until then, get a hybrid that doesn’t plug in.
Or the V8 luxury car.
op3l@reddit
Yea it's unrealistic. It's why people are slow to move to EVs in cities because most don't have access to charging at their apartments.
If you can't charge at home, you're going to have to find a place and wait whatever time it is to charge at the charge station so it would end up not as convenient as a regular car.
I honestly think for your uses, a hybrid car will be much more practical and still save you on a lot of gas.
ottrocity@reddit
Yes.
I have a friend who bought a Tesla a couple years ago because he had at-work charging.
He got let go earlier this year because of Trump layoffs, and now in order to charge his car he has to find a working, unoccupied charger. It takes him about an hour to an hour and a half to find one, and then it has to charge, which means he is without his car while he's doing that, away from home.
BitchStewie_@reddit
Just get a hybrid. If you can't charge at home or work it's not worth the PITA an EV would cause you. Lots of great hybrids out there these days, they hold value better than an EV anyway.
captainslowww@reddit
Even though I'm generally open to EVs, I wouldn't get one in those circumstances.
quackdaniels1@reddit
I rented a Kia EV6 for a week recently while my petrol car was in the shop. It came with a 240V charging cable but I don't have a 240V outlet at home. The car was nice, but it was a real pain in the a to deal with public chargers. Each company has its own app which takes forever to set up, and then more than half the time the chargers don't work. Or they work but they don't sense the car is plugged in, so you spend 10 minutes disconnecting and reconnecting the charger like some mrn with Tourette's. And then it took close to 8 hours to charge the car fully, which was essentially overnight. I had to take an Uber home from the public charger, and an Uber back in the morning to collect the car. It was a terrible introduction to EV life. Don't do it without a dedicated charger.
ShowUsYourTips@reddit
You are not wrong.
kyngston@reddit
not wrong
atticus-fetch@reddit
Are you considering buying a Tesla or perhaps an inferior knock off?
Admirable-Gate-2557@reddit (OP)
Ionic 6 and Nissan Leaf are the only EVs that tick all of my requirements.
dsmjrv@reddit
I would not be interested in an EV without a home to charge at, but I know plenty of people who do fine without… after having a 3rd kid I realized that even a model X is not big enough and I can’t afford a brand new rivian or hummer
It will probably be 5-10 years before I can get a full size SUV EV
JT-Av8or@reddit
It’s not for your situation. Tesla is the best option due to their charging network where the cars communicate with the chargers and each other to schedule themselves so you 1) don’t show up to a broken charger 2) don’t show up to a full area with no charger available. Of course that also requires drivers to tell the car where they’re going so the cars can do all that, but it’s an option none of the other cars have so if you’re looking at anything else, you’re right, you can show up to a broken Electrify America charger with your Mach E at 10% and be totally screwed. Without home capabilities gas is best.
Gunk_Olgidar@reddit
If you cannot charge an EV at home (or at work for free/cheap) then it's not worth it vs. gasoline.
Public EV charging rates are similar to gasoline in most places, never mind the externalities of waiting.
Otherwise_Ratio430@reddit
I would never get an EV if I didn't own my own place.
CraziFuzzy@reddit
For 50m a week, charging will not really be a major concern to you. Topping off once each weekend wile going out for dinner or something would likely have you set.
That all said, what is the reason for not being able to charge at home? For your mileage, you're not talking about needing anything more than a standard wall outlet.
Admirable-Gate-2557@reddit (OP)
I live in an apartment complex. To reach an outlet I'd need several hundred feet of cabling and probably break numerous safety violations.
CraziFuzzy@reddit
What state? Have you approached the manager about installing an outlet?
Admirable-Gate-2557@reddit (OP)
WA state. Many people have tried, but the apartment complex actually leases garage space from a grocery store so they don't get any say. Additionally, it's not luxury apartment and they struggle to keep the amenities they do have control over (elevators, trash chutes, etc.) functional. We're down to one elevator from three and it broke down while I was in it just last week. The trash chute has been broken for a few months now.
CraziFuzzy@reddit
Also, viability would also depend on where you are located.
discourse_friendly@reddit
If you want to park at a charging station every week. with a total of 50 miles driven per week it should only take
google AI seems to think driving 50 miles will be 25 kWH
that would probably be a 5 minute wait at a gas station every 2-3 weeks in comparison.
Its your time, you tell us if that's what you want to sign up for
CelestialBeing138@reddit
There is absolutely no inconvenience too great for you for that would slow down their desire to sell you what they need you to buy.
Heykurat@reddit
You're correct that it's unrealistic under those conditions. But a hybrid might work for you.