Decking core repair?
Posted by Friendly_Subject4096@reddit | sailing | View on Reddit | 14 comments
Looking for some advice! I’m buying my first boat, a 1985 Endeavor 33. It’s in pretty good shape, but the surveyor pointed out that some of the decking core needs to be replaced. The owner is balking at our request to have the bad decking replaced. I understand that this is a forty year old boat, and I have reasonable expectations, but is there a repair possible that’s somewhere between doing nothing and replacing the damaged plywood core? Can it be reinforced without being replaced? I’m a newby, so sorry if this is a silly question!
Inevitable_Positive2@reddit
no one seems to have mentioned this yet, but a common low budget fix it to 1.) drill decent size holes 2.) bend a nail or something to eat away rot between the holes. and 3.) add epoxy. I would try and find and fix the source first before this fix as it might just make a path for the water to find another place to rot. Obviously larger areas and/or nicer boats would probably dictate a proper core replacement. But a small softspot around a vent or hatch can often just be fixed in this manner after first fixing the source. I had a solar vent that wasnt installed correctly and was going to do this fix, but was able to pull out a decent amount of rot and add a decent amount of glass from the vent hole itself. I was going to get around to doing the hole thing eventually but it wasnt that soft after redoing the hole and felt a little more comfortable knowing the leak source was fixed. I also have kind of a junker of a boat.
Friendly_Subject4096@reddit (OP)
Thanks!
PerfectPirate@reddit
If it is a small area that has rot, it is certainly worth repairing. If the rot covers large areas of the deck, then either factor in big bucks for a professional repair, or walk away. When I bought my 1975 Ontario 32 five years ago, there was a small area of the foredeck, beside the anchor locker, which had rotted core. This was because a previous owner had replaced the hinge fittings without properly sealing either the new or the old holes. The rest of the deck was pristine, without even any stress cracks. All of the original fittings put on by the builder had been sealed with butyl tape and the core around them was still bone dry. I know, because I pulled every fitting.
To make matters more interesting, the rotted core was plywood because this was a high-stress area. I cut open the deck, dug out all the old plywood, then replaced it with marine-grade okume plywood and laid down several layers of roving. I then learned how to properly gelcoat non-skid over top of the new glass.
Although it was very intimidating to contemplate the work, once I started doing it things became very straight-forward. There are a number of good Youtube videos on the subject to help guide you through planning and execution. Oh yes, I rebedded all of my hardware with butyl tape, as has been my habit for the last forty years of boat maintenance. That stuff has never leaked on me.
Teknos3@reddit
How much is the boat price? If it’s priced $15k or below, it might be factored in the price. If owner is asking for top dollar ~$33k+, then it’s somewhat reasonable to ask owner to fix. Then again, how many soft spots are you talking about? I have one small spot on my bow, right near the anchor locker hole. It’s been there since I got the boat 3 years ago. I’ll get to it soon. If there are more than a couple on this endeavor bigger than a softball, you might look at other ships in the sea.
Friendly_Subject4096@reddit (OP)
He’s asking $17k. Any idea how much the repair would cost?
HotMountain9383@reddit
It also depends on where the soft deck is located. My foredeck just ahead of forward hatch is a little soft with a high moisture reading, but it's no big deal apart from when we walk on it. I defer fixing it because there are no chainplates nearby etc etc. I take moisture readings every season and ensure they are the same, or lessor.
17k for an 1985 Endeavor 33 sounds like a pretty decent price IF everything else is pretty decent and the surveyor concurs.
Find out the extent of the soft deck, is it in an important location etc.
Walk away if it's near chainplates and stuff like that unless you know how to repair it.
A lot of deck repairs can be done from below deck, the preferred way to do it but sometimes it just not possible.
asm__nop@reddit
It really depends how bad it is. If the surveyor is calling it out for replacement and we assume they aren’t being dramatic, then walk. Plenty of other boats that don’t need sections of core replaced.
How large of a section?
It is a very time consuming job and even more so if you care how the boat looks after the fact.
Since it is on the survey, see what your insurance company thinks also before you make the decision to buy.
dwkfym@reddit
It needs to be replaced and its a major major job. And yes its rare to find a 40+ year old boat with dry core. Only boats I've seen with dry cores had no major deck accessories added, and all the factory mounting points had solid fiberglass.
Friendly_Subject4096@reddit (OP)
Would it keep you from buying the boat?
dwkfym@reddit
me, yes it would unless it was a very small inconsequential area
Friendly_Subject4096@reddit (OP)
Thanks.
kdjfsk@reddit
It can be repaired, so its a matter of how much would it cost in time or labor, and what is the asking price.
Seller balking at not wanting to fix it is laughable. It has to be fixed one way or another...and it'll just get more expensive the longer its neglected. If he doesnt have the money, at least he should discount the sale price.
Its a buyers market. If he doesn't do what it takes to close the sale, he can pay the slip fees for a couple more years. He may not understand or believe it, but its a fact.
Obvious_Attitude@reddit
There is a really good analysis on YouTube by "Living for sail" from about a year ago on various materials and approaches for addressing a rotted deck core.
Friendly_Subject4096@reddit (OP)
Thanks! I’ll try to find it.