Should I challenge?
Posted by Terrible-Plum4616@reddit | Dallas | View on Reddit | 132 comments

I was pulled over last week in a school zone going 33 in a 20 mph school zone, normal speed limit is 30. I informed the officer that I did not see any indication that the school zone was currently active. The officer states, the lights are on and flashing. The picture shows the sign right outside of my apartment complex, there is no light indicating when the school zone speed limit is active. Should I fight the ticket?
Agitated-Writer5640@reddit
This is a road where people often speed. Seems like you might deserve it.
crazy010101@reddit
33 in a 30? Whatever.
crazy010101@reddit
Yes.
Then-Screen-3070@reddit
I would definitely challenge it. Not only will you likely get out of the ticket, but hopefully they’ll do something to fix that sign!! It’s extremely dangerous for these poor kids when drivers have no way of knowing they need to slow down
HalalWarpig@reddit
Absolutely you should.
dollarbill988@reddit
Common sense would help You should know when school is taking up and when it releases I’m sure you have a good idea of these times
My_two-cents@reddit
This is an interesting case. There really is no flashing indicator light anywhere on McKinney Before or after North Dallas high. How are you supposed to know when the signs are in effect?
supersadfaceman@reddit
By the language of the sign, the school zone is never in effect, because the non-existent lights are never flashing. I mean just take the signage literally. Good luck OP, common sense is on your side.
WinOk2891@reddit
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sverr@reddit
There is a flashing indicator, but is before the Blackburn intersection. After the Blackburn intersection, you only have this sign l.
Anon_Bourbon@reddit
I turned here last week for the first time, didn't realize I was in a school section til read the sign. Had the immediate thought of "wait, where are the lights?"
USMCLee@reddit
There is a school zone I drive thru that doesn't have lights but has the hours posted. It really throws you off.
One_Salamander_9701@reddit
Like "Hey! Read this small font in a school zone please!" They should all have lights, period.
Xyzzy_plugh@reddit
Yeah, that small print is hard to read at 50mph.
One_Salamander_9701@reddit
😅
DejaBlonde@reddit
That's essentially what happened to me a few years ago as mentioned in another comment. It's seriously shitty all over the place.
My_two-cents@reddit
Yep. You are correct. That's terrible design. OP should fight this and win easily if the judge has any common sense.
sverr@reddit
Oh for sure. That sign should really be converted to a flashing sign. Too confusing and easy to miss entirely.
happy_puppy25@reddit
So real question and I’m not being facetious. To follow the law here, I.e not get pulled over and have to defend yourself, would you just have to travel 20mph at all times? And just deal with the honking, aggressive overtakes, dangerous tailgating, and road rage?
Terrible-Plum4616@reddit (OP)
Exactly, at first I was just going to pay the fine until I noticed that exact thing on my way home. Also, good eye knowing where this was
CPC187@reddit
Yes. And when you get to court tell them you're a Sovereign Citizen recognizing no other authority in Dallas County.
Gatorsfan456@reddit
The flashing light is one the other side of the street, where the school zone starts. Source: I can see if from where I’m sitting right now…
WineDineCpl@reddit
What time was the infraction? School zones tend to be active around the same times and a judge may say that it is reasonable to assume the school zone is active between certain times.
TheFedUpMillennial@reddit
Always fight the ticket. Even if you did it.
Teegster97@reddit
nah, you will get the ticket.
Xyzzy_plugh@reddit
Is it possible that there are lights on that yellow sign that, in this picture, is mostly hidden behind the post?
ediefan@reddit
Honestly I'd live in a neighborhood where there are these stupid signs and I hate it. It never gives me a clear indication of the times. And for somebody who doesn't have kids and is completely unaware of the times where it goes on it is so frustrating.
emikeholland@reddit
I would for sure challenge since no warning signs on McKinney but on the other side (Cole) there are. There should be on McKenny though so challenge for sure.
Mental-Support7283@reddit
Always always always fight tickets if you have the time. I have been to my fair share of traffic courts and it always ended in my favor, either with a lower fine or total dismissal. Also, you do not want to increase your insurance costs for 3 years by getting a violation on your record!
LockhartTx2002@reddit
Omg absolutely fight that. Once you fight it, and you’ll 100% win, you’ll see flashers installed by next week.
crit_crit_boom@reddit
Only douchebags speed in school zones. However, yes if there are no flashing lights I would challenge and/or write the city council (or whomever).
Upstairs_Fuel_2370@reddit
There has to be lights somewhere usually they put the sign then a little farther down are the lights
tehjeffman@reddit
The local cops know what they are doing. This is a tax on people who can't afford get out of work to fight the ticket. Judge will throw it out.
bananabob23@reddit
That’s all fines are anyway
noncongruent@reddit
The true way to understand that fines are primarily about revenue enhancement rather than actually about traffic safety is that the fines are not set at ruinous levels. They're calculated to maximize revenue without truly discouraging bad behavior, so most people making a decent regular wage will treat the fines as a "cost of doing business", so to speak. Now, if the intent was truly to make traffic safer then fines would be set at levels that were ruinous, for instance, first stop sign violation $1,000, second one $3,000 and 6 month license suspension, third one $5,000 and permanent license revocation. Who the hell would dare run a stop sign then? Even the rich, who blow $5,000 at a restaurant just for fun, wouldn't want to lose their license permanently.
No, that kind of penalty would never be allowed because it would kill revenue from traffic citations completely, costing cities and the state hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars. Hell, I remember reading that when the red light cameras first came to be in Dallas the city lost like $12M in red light ticket revenue the first year, both because less people ran red lights in general and because the ones the cameras caught the city had to split the $75 with the private company running the cameras. The city was getting $37.50 per red light runner instead of $296.10, an 87.3% reduction in revenue per ticket.
It's never been about safety, it's always been about revenue.
bananabob23@reddit
Couldn’t have said it better myself
WigglingWeiner99@reddit
OP has a defense here, but from the perspective of the cop there's no good reason to do 13 over in a school zone. Perhaps the cop specifically knew OP would be entering the road from an area where he could not be reasonably aware of the active times, but Occam's Razor says the cop was just doing his job protecting children.
Cops should be ticketing speeders in school zones. The idea that the constabulary and city council is intentionally posting confusing signs to trick drivers into endangering children just to boost ticket revenue is a conspiracy theory. What's more likely: that DPD and city council are conspiring to fuck over OP specifically, or someone accidentally installed the wrong sign?
gagagarrett@reddit
Good call on that, however I prefer Hankins razor -
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
WigglingWeiner99@reddit
That's my theory for the improper signage. I really doubt the Public Works department intentionally installed the incorrect sign. And I don't think DPD is specifically "taxing" residents of Mondrian West Village, the only people who don't have an ability to see the flashing lights. Even if it's the correct sign, simply, nobody considered the possibility that someone like OP could find himself in this situation.
Radiant-Tangerine601@reddit
I think they’re talking about another kind of flashing
KitchenPalentologist@reddit
A lot of commentors haven't actually fought a ticket in court. It's not as simple as show up, make your case, get it dismissed.
You can't easily talk to the judge. You can try to talk to the prosecutor before court starts, but they aren't really interested in letting you off. They will fuck with you, ask for a plea so they can call in the cop that wrote the ticket. If the cop can't come in, they'll reschedule, and won't tell you until you show up. Lots of time, lots of parking downtown.
My buddy is a DPD officer. The technical term for this is a "defective ticket". And yes, a judge will likely throw this out, but actually getting in front of the judge is easier said than done.
Extension_Morning368@reddit
If there is no indication of flashing lights, if it were me, I would 100% contest it. That's so messed up! If that seems like too much of a pain, ask (the court?) for the deferred adjudication thing where the ticket won't stand as long as you don't get another ticket for a year or something like that. Might also have to do a quick driver's course online. I've done it with a speeding ticket in the past!
BlkBlt4th@reddit
Unfortunately what you will probably hear from the Judge is "Ignorance of the law does not excuse you from the law." But, I would definitely fight it. Make sure to explain your reasoning clearly and politely The Judge may reduce the fine and or allow you to take Defensive Driving as a deferment. I agree that the times should be listed on the sign in the pic. but they will argue that the times and lights are present at the beginning of the school zones and as a licensed driver it is your responsibility to observe all posted traffic signs.
imonlyamonk@reddit
I think your problem is going to be that you live in the school zone so you should know it's there.
There are flashing lights on Blackburn going both ways before you turn onto McKinney and also on McKinney on the other side of Blackburn where the school zone starts.
I live in the middle of 2 elementary schools, 1 middle school, and 1 high school, and they all pretty much have the same sign set up as here. Flashing lights where the school zone starts, and then these signs between the flashing light signs until you get out of the school zone. So if you turn out of your driveway, alleyway, side-street, etc you won't see a flashing light until you get the boundary of the school zone.
noncongruent@reddit
The problem is that in OP's case he turned onto Blackburn from his apartment's parking garage, and the flashing light for the school zone was located before the exit onto Blackburn. This means that there was no flashing light visible to him as he entered the roadway and thus no way for him to know he was in an active school zone. Conceptually the government has an obligation to let you know when a school zone is present and active. If they didn't then they simply wouldn't have any signs or lights at all and would just write tickets to people who had no idea they were in an active school zone. In this case the signage is clearly defective because it didn't take into account a legitimate scenario where a driver could have no way of knowing they entered an active school zone.
landspd@reddit
Yes, fight it. There are tons of signs in Dallas that state “school zone when flashing,” when there are no lights. How would you know it is a school zone if there is no light flashing and no hours posted.
I have secretly wanted to get one of these just to fight it for those reasons. “I was following the traffic signs, your honor, never saw a flashing light as directed.”
Ok-Ear7559@reddit
I was thinking same thing. I've seen this type of thing many places in Dallas and always thought, "wtf? It doesn't even have lights." If they really wanted to protect kids, you think they'd go all out to let people know when it was in effect. I used to work at Trulucks in Dallas and there is an intersection right next to it that has a tiny, no turn on red sign. On Friday and Saturday, the red and blue lights never stopped from people being pulled over at that turn. The police know what they are doing.
landspd@reddit
I like the school zone light in my neighborhood that starts flashing at 5:30am for a school that starts to open at 7:10am.
noncongruent@reddit
I remember driving home late one night, it was like 1:30 on a Sunday morning, I'd worked a late shift. The school zone lights were flashing, there were no kids or school buses or any traffic, just me, and the cop sitting in the entrance to the school parking lot lighting me up with LIDAR. You bet I was doing 15 mph, five under, because I'd bet cash money he was out there to write tickets in that "active" school zone.
thelazysob@reddit
The sign clearly stipulates that it is "Speed Limit 20 When Flashing." If there isn't a flashing light, it can't be enforced - as it never flashes.
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JennnMc@reddit
I think you should show up at court to contest it, because you never know what will happen at the pretrial hearing. Be humble and sincere as you state your case. Also, don’t have to let it go to trial, if the judge says that the ticket stands you can accept that decision and leave. But at least you communicated your views that the sign is deceptive or inaccurate. Good luck!
badlyagingmillenial@reddit
Are there any flashing lights in the area? They put those at the beginning and end of the zone, signs in the middle won't have lights. If there are no lights you can reasonably see, might be worth fighting. Your defense would be that the sign didn't have posted hours, and there were no flashing lights visible to you.
Cops are not kind to people who break the speed limit in a school zone, so this one might be hard.
Terrible-Plum4616@reddit (OP)
There is no lights at the end of the school zone, but there are some at the very beginning. From where I enter the street of my apartment, it’s 1/8 away. No way of remotely seeing it.
EntertainmentShot708@reddit
you live within the area of the school zone. you should be somewhat aware of the hours its active. stop depending on signs to alert you to that.
cantstandthemlms@reddit
Are the times listed on the sign at the beginning? I pretty much know the times of all the zones on my daily drives. Is my record perfect of always remembering…no.. but if you asked me the times of various zones in a 10 mile radius I would know bc all the elem schools are the same, the middle schools are the same and the high schools are the same. I think it you live on the street they might think you should know the times.
badlyagingmillenial@reddit
You have a chance, then, if you can't see it from where you park/on the way to where you park. Good luck!
Original_Inside8890@reddit
Alway challenge a ticket. Always.
FakenFrugenFrokkels@reddit
Yes 100%.
Efficient-Fold-9502@reddit
We have the exact same thing on Royal Lane west of Hillcrest. I just go down to 20 during school hours. There is no flashing light anywhere.
electricgotswitched@reddit
At least 2/3 schools zones near me are like this.
I'd 100% be fighting this. A speeding school zone ticket is no joke.
DaveTheW1zard@reddit
Rule#1: Always fight the ticket. Half the time the officer won't even show up to the trial, and the rest of the time you can get a sympathetic judge.
goodkush421@reddit
People grow up and aspire to be cops one day to make a positive change in their communities, but they just end up being cops who hand out petty tickets like this
CommanderSquirt@reddit
Are there lights on the other side? I'd go for it if there are indications. No times listed and no lights make it null and void in the common sense guide.
Terrible-Plum4616@reddit (OP)
Nope, on the other side of the street is the same thing. Where I exit from my parking garage onto the street there isn’t any indication of flashing lights anywhere
Minimum_Confusion813@reddit
I have seen school zone signs just like that before - and I personally agree you should not get the ticket for "Speeding in a active school zone". But to play devils advocate here...you did just admit that you were speeding, even if it was not an active school zone. But I would fight it for 2 reasons:
1.) You might not be allowed to do defensive driving to get the ticket off your record if it happened in an active school zone. I know you cannot for speeding in a work zone.
2.) The fine for going 33 in a 30 is a lot lower than 33 in a 20 - and fines are doubled when its an active school zone.
gottheronavirus@reddit
I would push the enevelope, personally, if the ticket is in the triple digits. An improperly signaled/indicated school zone is very unsafe for children and should be fixed immediately.
Maybe hang around for the posted times one day to check for flashers though, just to be safe. Maybe they're magic
CommanderSquirt@reddit
Looks like they fucked themselves with that sign then.
KennyDROmega@reddit
That doesn't matter. The driver is still responsible for being aware of and obeying traffic signage.
swamp_donkey89@reddit
No, there ls no power to that pole
not-actual69_@reddit
Bold of you to assume common sense will come into play with a judge
Certain_Strain_4683@reddit
Yes
tmanarl@reddit
I beat one of these tickets over 20 years ago. Sign listed summer school times still, so I took a picture of it, took it to court and the judge dismissed it.
You should fight this, but bring plenty of evidence to support your claim.
MoreConstruction1733@reddit
Absolutely
9bikes@reddit
Yes.
If you approach the judge in a polite, nonconfrontational way and make it very clear that you would have been traveling within the speed limit had it been properly marked, you have a good chance.
_Javier@reddit
Agreed - the only other viable option is violence & that might not help
Interesting_Role1201@reddit
2nd amendment says you can
sealclubberfan@reddit
What time was this at? I mean, on a school day at 8:30am or so, you should just be going 20.....
Terrible-Plum4616@reddit (OP)
9 am
sealclubberfan@reddit
Yeah I dunno, might be cutting it close. Realistically there is no flashing light, but again, if it's on a school day....just use common sense.
Terrible-Plum4616@reddit (OP)
I know, and I guess that’s why I asked the question, because it’s just so close. I’m worried though that if I challenge it the outcome maybe worse than me just paying the fine.
sealclubberfan@reddit
Incant imagine they'd do anything worse. Just be respectful, your honor, etc. Bring up the point that there is no light as the sign references at that particular spot. If you go in argumentative sure they could possibly slap something else on, but of you go in just respectful, doesn't hurt to try.
desertmoose4547@reddit
There are no flashing lights in this entire neighborhood except for an unmarked yellow one all the way down by Cityplace (2+ blocks). Nobody could be expected to know what the fuck it is. It's near a bunch of train signs. I think what happened was, over the years someone moved the school zone signs from Cityplace across Blackburn and forgot to move the flashers. This shit would get thrown out if you have a decent lawyer.
Avatar_sokka@reddit
Unfortunately, they could write you a ticket for going 30.5 in a 30, so even if you didn't know it was a school zone, that's still technically speeding.
Diamond_Tom@reddit
That's what posted; 33 in a 30, like saying "Your honor, I know I was wrong, just not THAT wrong."
I don't think it's worth the fight, sorry.
bridge_view@reddit
Yes, challenge. The cop won't show up in court. Your photo is the helpful.
DejaBlonde@reddit
I had similar happen to me a few years ago. Even worse, there aren't any school zone signs on the cross street I started on. I should've fought it, but didn't have the time.
Saamari@reddit
No times or light on the sign? Dispute!
Diamond_Tom@reddit
No one seems to mention that OP noted he would have been speeding anyway, doing 33 in what he says is 30mph zone.
I agree, from where you entered you would not have seen any flashing lights, but, you would have been speeding ANYWAY.
Not sure how much it is worth fighting one wrong with another.
plumedsnake@reddit
Heck yes!
zekesaltspider@reddit
I know where this is in Uptown. Did you just decide to ignore all the children at the high school across the street? Were you completely obviously to the time it was?
RaySorian@reddit
I hate the signs without times because sometimes those do not update the flashing for daylight savings or holidays (Spring Break).
MC_ScattCatt@reddit
Ignorance isn’t a defense in the eyes of the law.
Apart-Start6133@reddit
My question is, when did this happen? A really obvious time school is starting or getting out?
Terrible-Plum4616@reddit (OP)
Close to 9am
lenny446@reddit
Are there any lights in the school zone at all? Is there a time frame posted anywhere? Did the cop write on the ticket “because the lights were flashing?
If it’s no,no,yes, then I would definitely fight it.
nola_brass1212@reddit
I've fought this kind of thing myself in Addison. I'm not a lawyer, but what I would do is: Step 1.) Request trial by jury before the date on the back of the ticket.,, Step 2.) File a motion for discovery (nothing will come of it initially, but the pre-trail person who has you enter guilty or not-guility will have it. I edited a document a found onine to suit my purpose and rode my bicycle to the court house. :P Step 3.) When asked guilty or not guilty, response "Not Guilty". If you say Guilty story ends and you pay your fine. Step 4.) DA type person calls you up to talk to him at pretrial hearing. I stood my ground and told unless he reduced the fine 50%, I'd see what a jury think about a cop parking next to a school sign that was basically inside of a tree. pedatory policing at it's best. We agreed to 50% and I withdrew my motion for discovery.
cantstandthemlms@reddit
Weird! This is basically how they are in California…they just say when students are present which is sort of vague.
I prefer how the school zones are in my part of Texas and almost all the parts of it have driven in. Even in rural areas they have lights and times. They should at least specify a time.
JohnnyBouldin@reddit
Between 2016 and 2017 the signs changed. Almost 10 years, can you imagine the amount of tickets that have been given?
JohnnyBouldin@reddit
Here is the exact sign from your post. 16 has the times 17 is the sign you see.
I don’t see any lights on the street.
spookaddress@reddit
Okay, I have some advice for you before you go to court.
1: Take a photo of where the School Zone (SZ) starts. Have a friend dress so that they stand out and have them stand next to the sign. Get a wide shot so that you landmarks that help identify the area. The officer who issued the citation will be asked if the photos are a good representation of the area by the assistant
2: Take progressive closer shots and keep that person next to the sign. Get a close-up and show the lights.
3: Now photograph the street to where you entered the road. Once again, have someone stand next to that point. Remember you are telling a story.
4: From where you entered the road, start the process with photos of the sign you posted here.
5: take photos of the remainder of the SZ. You will want to be thorough. This way you show that you didn't pass a functional SZ sign. The officer could say that one exists after yours and that you should have seen that one.
6: If your photos show what you think on your court day, find the assistant prosecutor and show them. They may dismiss the citation without having to go in front of the judge, which will save both of you time. Remember to be polite and professional. This will go a long way and make a difficult situation easier for all involved.
ChefMikeDFW@reddit
There are a lot of newer signs out there where the [LEDs are integrated with the sign] (https://schoolzonesystems.com/school-zone-speed-limit/). There may have been some of those signs before this one (it doesn't appear this one has any integrated lights at all). Judging by your pic, any flashing light signs appear to have been well before this as I could not see any for the opposite direction of traffic.
If there are zero initial signs that have lights and if there are no time signs to incidate when school zones are enforced, you'll need to be sure to document the hell out of that to show you could not be sure the zone was active at the time of the ticket.
secron7@reddit
There are a few signs headed in to uptown on East Ross that way when flashing with no lights. I've always wondered what would happen if I got a ticket. There are signs before and after them with lights, but what if I pulled on to Ross and never saw them? Keep us updated as to how this goes!
WTFisThaInternet@reddit
I've been driving for about 25 years, and only been pulled over once: exactly in this location for the exact same "school zone" issue. I didn't fight it, but you should.
UnknownQTY@reddit
“Officer is it flashing?”
Honestly speeding in a school zone, during what are commonly accepted as school hours, is going to be hard to beat regardless.
boldjoy0050@reddit
Most school zones are only during hours before and after school. So something like 7-9am and 3-4pm.
UnknownQTY@reddit
Note OP does not state what time they were cited.
boldjoy0050@reddit
That’s true but the sign does say “when flashing”. Since there were no lights flashing, OP can just claim he was going the normal, non-school posted limit.
dallasuptowner@reddit
There are two school zones by my house that aren't even located very close to schools and the lights seemingly randomly activate maybe one or twice a month, at least on my commute.
I'm always worried that I am going to get a ticket with the cop saying that I supposed to know it is an active school zone with no hours posted and a non-working light.
Odd_Divide6994@reddit
always fight it
ComputerWax@reddit
no
4ofheartz@reddit
Go to court & find out. I’ve passed signs just like this & have been so confused!!
Commercial-Rush755@reddit
Fight it. So many don’t. Do it!
twaraich@reddit
Haha Mondrian west village, used to live there!
dillydallyally97@reddit
Used to work right where you’re standing, had a jumpscare lol
horsy12@reddit
Id go for it. There’s no actual light, think of it as doing them a favor. Maybe they’ll actually put up flashing lights and properly protect our school zones
Pumpnethyl@reddit
I think so. It’s weird that there are no listed times. I think you have a case.
dumasymptote@reddit
You can try it. It depends on how much you value your time. You would need to go to a pretrial hearing and then the trial setting at least. So you are looking at a few hours at the court minimum.
BucketofWarmSpit@reddit
There is also the possibility that the prosecutor would look at the sign at pretrial and dismiss it. It's something I would consider highly unlikely since the prosecutor would at least want to talk to the officer first and that would only happen at a trial setting.
But you are right. Most likely, both a pretrial and trial setting will be required. The pretrial could take a while if they go the pro se route since the prosecutor will want to talk to everyone individually and in turn. The trial date usually takes at least an hour unless the prosecutor has talked to the police officer before court.
thejohncarlson@reddit
This has not been my experience. I have fought two tickets and both times showed up and had trial the same day. In both cases it took about 30-45 minutes.
dumasymptote@reddit
In Dallas? Docket call is at 830a or 1p for trial and unless the docket has only 1-2 people on it there is no way it takes 30-45 minutes total, unless you are saying a bench trial only took 30-45 minutes which is certainly possible but even getting to the point of a bench trial is at least an hour.
thejohncarlson@reddit
I was not in Dallas so YMMV.
Terrible-Plum4616@reddit (OP)
Yeah true, although it was a 256 dollar ticket and will hit my insurance. So thinking it is
noncongruent@reddit
If you exited the Mondrian parking garage on Blackburn and turned right on to McKinney, then you would not have seen the flashing light that's before that exit. There's also a flashing light on the other side of Blackburn, before you get to the intersection, which you would not have seen either. I think you have a solid case. Start by going down to where you would pay the ticket and tell them that instead you want to set up a jury trial, and make arrangements to contact the prosecutor. You'll need proof you live in the Mondrian, that'll establish the reasonable assumption that you turned on to Blackburn after the light, and also take pictures of all the school zone signs from Blackburn to the end of the school zone, there are two that I found on streetview. You'll present this to the prosecutor as basically the case you'll pursue in front of a jury, and the lack of flashing lights on the signs makes them largely unenforceable since you couldn't see any flashing lights starting from when you entered the roadway on Blackburn. With any justice the prosecutor will dismiss the ticket outright because it'll be hard to prove to a jury that a lack of visible lights and a lack of printed school zone hours on the signs isn't enough to find against the city.
I would also seriously consider getting a dashcam. Video evidence is always strong to a jury, so if you'd had video of exiting your garage, turning, and driving with no visible flashing lights no jury would convict you and no prosecutor would bother bringing a case. The only fix the city has is to add flashing lights on the east corner of Blackburn so that anyone turning onto McKinney would see them.
jtrage@reddit
Definitely challenge especially if it could change things for signage in the area. Get pics of the entire area. Not just the one.
I was in Denton. Similar but the sign had times. I swore I was right. Tool pics. Went to court. I was nice. The judge was nice but looked at me and said that she was part of the process that had the times recently change so she was real familiar with the times. I showed her pics. Again, she was nice. She dismissed and thank me for bringing it to her attention.
Terrible-Plum4616@reddit (OP)
Thank you, never had to fight a ticket before so this helps.
jtrage@reddit
Me neither. Was really easy. Just make sure you have all the pics you need.
CollectMan420@reddit
I deliver to that sip stir and honestly have never seen that sign
Intelligent-Read-785@reddit
The cop made his recommended number of stops this month. Not a quota. 😁
OiGuvnuh@reddit
Ha neat. McKinney and Blackburn. I’ve noticed that sign before and wondered if anyone ever had to explain that one. Fight it, friend.
Thinklater123@reddit
Worst case you'll end up with the fine you'd get for not fighting it. Just be very civil, especially with the judge.
phunt829@reddit
The sign isn’t even rigged with elecric
phunt829@reddit
Yes