What do we accept today that future generations might reject, and what do we reject today that future generations might accept?
Posted by proxima-centauri-@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 289 comments
What comes to your mind? I can think of single use plastic, fossil fuels, social media, AI usage as some areas where future generations will take a much different strategy/view.
sadsycler@reddit
Pets. They're cute and provide companionship but too many people either don't care or don't know how to treat them and even when they're well treated they get left alone for 8h locked in a big prison daily for their whole lives. Is it wrong to make another species dependent on us too? Is that not hindering them in the long run?
ClassicMaximum7786@reddit
We accept certain religions being allowed to literally get away with murder because it's rude or something to stop them. That will be fixed within the next 100 years. Imagine if someone entered your country, started building their own religious buildings in your home town, then go back home and stone women and gay people to death because of whatever deluded reason they've came to.
We reject forced vaccines nowadays. I do think within the next 100 years there will be an event that will make people wake up and start forcing vaccines, at least certain ones. I'm not sure how I feel about this (from a free will point of view) and hope that doesn't happen, but I do think this will be a thing in certain countries in the future.
Real_Science_5851@reddit
Why do you specify women in particular? Men too are stoned for the same crime of cheating on their partner - and for both, only if it can be proven by four unbiased witnesses (so imagine how low the likelihood would be anyway)
name30@reddit
Mankind ain't ever getting away from religion. The first civilisation was an upper class of clergy keeping everyone else busy with war, and in peace time frivolous bullshit like building monuments and scrolling Twitter. That is the only social structure we have ever had on a large scale. All the changes are completely superficial. Honey bees aren't ever going to change their social structure either, it's just instinct.
badgersruse@reddit
We are there on the vaccines. Measles right now.
Low-Pangolin-3486@reddit
Nobody is forced to get vaccines in this country
badgersruse@reddit
Now yes. The question was about the future, and I’m suggesting that we are at a point where forced vaccines should be the case now. The future is now.
Low-Pangolin-3486@reddit
Ohhh I see what you mean.
I don’t think forced vaccinations are the way forward (and I say this as someone who is vehemently pro-vaccination). The anti vax movement already thinks that the government is out to poison their children; forcing vaccinations would only fuel this further and lead to them being able to claim they’re being victimised or whatever.
Wino3416@reddit
I think we should stop worrying what the anti vax brigade think.
Wino3416@reddit
Oooooh downvotes. Dickheads on line eh?
badgersruse@reddit
We have many laws that mandate people’s behaviour such that others are not harmed, probably most of them.
Pebbi@reddit
I'd love to see the back of organised religion but unfortunately it is an excellent method of control. It's too useful to get rid of, for those in positions of power.
zonked282@reddit
Just look at the current American plunge into fascism as a way to underline that point
gothfather3@reddit
Not hopeful on the first point. Everyone's so scared of being called a racist they will let it get worse until it's too late. Unless civil war in the UK happens 😭
thecrius@reddit
This thread is surreal.
"In the next 100 years maybe vaccines will be mandatory and violent religions are banned"
Well ... in 100 years A LOT happens. Just look at the last 100 years.
Then someone arrives and talks about the "civil war"....? To enforce those two points..??
Giving access to the internet to everyone was a mistake. Along with letting the school be as shitty as it is since tens of years now.
Go back to drink in pub you two, please.
ClassicMaximum7786@reddit
Oh I think it will happen if things really don't improve (civil war i mean). I saw a video of a 2.5million pound mosque being built in an area with next to 0 Muslim population. Once things get desperate enough, those mosques are coming down in flames.
Charming5tudent@reddit
I’m a British born and Bred, European Muslim, and although this answer may come across as biased, I do not think that there’s anything wrong with the mosque being constructed — however, as I do not live in the proximity, my opinion should be of no avail, of course.
But I just want to clear these assumptions; there are approximately 100 Muslim families in the proximity that will use the mosque, which is catered to 250 worshippers. The mosque is just on the edge of Peak District and not within the national park. Additionally, it’s not much of a ‘mega mosque’ as it’s made out to be with all the claims on social media (look at the video below). Finally, it’s quite aesthetically fitting and in demand, and there are a couple of churches in the proximity too — so why object?
https://youtu.be/TjQc6whkvd8?si=NpedpN2659UPd5xw
Low-Pangolin-3486@reddit
Nobody would bat an eyelid if it was a church. Christianity has done just as much damage as any other religion but it doesn’t suit the far right to admit that.
gothfather3@reddit
Anyone not on the left = 'far right'
Boring 😵
VOODOO285@reddit
Perhaps, but we're supposed to be a modern, enlightened society. So what's the excuse? They did it before, so now it's our turn? It's not a far-right question. It's a question of why do people who think they got shafted in prior generations now seek to equalise that shafting now?
Charming5tudent@reddit
Well, I’m being quickly downvoted.. says quite a bit.
Low-Pangolin-3486@reddit
I think there’s a range of concerns tbh; some people are obviously out and out Islamaphobes, but for other people there’s probably a fear that’s less tangible (and still rooted in racism and Islamophobia, but a few steps away).
I feel like it’s a mixture of crab bucket mentality mixed with a worry about what could be lost if extremist voices were allowed to flourish. And those extremist voices could of course come from anywhere, but Muslims are increasingly visible and an easy scapegoat to point at.
gothfather3@reddit
The Lake District one? 😬
PsyJak@reddit
I mean we're just (with a relative few exceptions) out of such an event, and look what we have: not just refusing to take the vaccine, but denying the existence of the illness itself. Some humans will always be dumb.
Fun-Palpitation8771@reddit
There is a lot of work left to do in getting people to accept that some of their religious teachings do not align with reality. This of course is challenging the most revered figures and beings said to be never wrong.
Some people have gotten there but not everyone. The hope is that the show of acceptance and respect is reciprocated even if it takes time. A certain country that was apparently progressive showed in the past few months that the foundations were not strong so there is a lesson to learn there.
C0nnectionTerminat3d@reddit
accept today; Kids on social media. reject today; any schooling method that isn’t state/private.
I would hope in the next decade or so there are laws around kids on socials - anyone less than 13 (arguably 16) definitely shouldn’t be on them. A lot of kids cannot thrive in the typical school setting so i would hope that “unconventional” methods such as home education, forest school etc will be greeted with better reactions both from the public and from organisations; eg the government.
Far-Opinion1691@reddit
I'm not so sure about home education. The other types of education, perhaps, but research has demonstrated time over that socialising is incredibly important for young children, especially those raised in abusive families where school may be the only place that abuse can be spotted by teachers and other staff.
A system where kids who are home schooled should at least have a legally mandated 'public interactions' type program where kids must routinely visit some sort of facility away from their families. In addition to this, some sort of regulated curriculum which teaches basic concepts in maths and literature would be ideal. Parents often lack the skills and expertise required to teach such subjects, and frankly that's unfair for the child who may need those skills in the future, even if them staying at home is important for mental or physical health reasons.
SMTRodent@reddit
The people I know that homeschool did so as part of a pretty large group that had the kids meet up on a regular basis. They're just not rigidly divided by year. They're also not part of a religious cult, just sick of the school system where they live.
It only seems to work for primary school though. I think all of them had to move to state schools for secondary education.
That's not a bad idea from the point of view of letting kids experience something outside of, say, a religious cult
Far-Opinion1691@reddit
I think this is partly the reason the issue can be so contentious. Many children who were homeschooled were taught by some amazing parents who really did know how to educate their children on the more complex subjects. For children homeschooled in larger groups, I don't doubt that it's entirely possible to receive an equal if not better level of education.
The fact is though that this simply can't always be the case, and you've already pointed out that it becomes more difficult for older children who may need access to various facilities such as a chemistry lab, a sports hall, a stage for performing arts, etc, all things that can't as easily be provided by a homeschooling experience.
Children being raised in sects or sect-adjacent families is also a real issue, as you pointed out. Definitely less so than some other countries, but it's not like the UK doesn't have its own share of sects here and there.
If kids need to be homeschooled, I'd argue that it's a fault of the education system itself. I don't disagree that school in the UK and most of the world for that matter has significant issues which need to be addressed, and I understand that, in the UK especially right now, those issues are hard to address. But "patching over things" instead of actually fixing those issues isn't going to help. I think people often forget just how far the education system has come in the UK in terms of supporting children's mental health issues, modernising teaching, etc, which demonstrates that such change is definitely possible, and that it's something we should be able to continue doing.
C0nnectionTerminat3d@reddit
I think you have a slightly skewed view of home schooling. The name isn’t literal, so the kids that you describe that would need labs, sports halls etc would still be classed as home educated whilst still accessing these things - in fact, majority of these services have exclusive times for home educated students to use them.
I studied animals as my main subject growing up, the local zoo offered discounted tickets for us and free tour guided lessons of an animal of your choice included with that. The college i ended up going to offered weeks during half terms to do some lessons with them and get hands on with the animals. I was also really into theatre (but not acting) and the local theatre school reached out to let us know of their home ed classes. The community centre had a weekly meeting of HE students where a new person each week would come down and put on an activity (e.g; a personal trainer, an artist, an english teacher etc). The sports centre had a pool with times exclusive to students, you get the idea. Home education is rarely done all alone by the parents.
Far-Opinion1691@reddit
I'm not really sure that I do. I mentioned previously that I'm not entirely against homeschooling, but rather think that we need legally mandated regulations to ensure children have access to these sorts of facilities and routine 'checkups' with adults who are unaffiliated with the child's family.
It sounds like you had a great experience being home-schooled, which I'm glad to hear. What you have to remember though is that none of those activities and groups you participated in were mandated by law. Having some sort of regulations in place which required these types of activities doesn't necessarily change the home-schooling experience all that much, but it does help to ensure that those children who otherwise wouldn't engage in those activities (such as those being held back by abusive parenting or families) have a chance to socialise and have an avenue to seek help if required.
What I'm talking about isn't just my personal opinion, and can be backed up by sociological studies looking into this area. It genuinely baffles me that we allow parents to remove their children from education without adequate checks to ensure children have access to mental health facilities, learning resources, etc, beyond the very little intervention that we see today.
Fortunately, though, the government is currently looking to introduce a bill to help with this issue. This article sheds some insight into the kind of situations I'm talking about, and is definitely worth a read if you were interested.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/dec/17/home-schooling-laws-to-be-tightened-up-after-of-sara-sharif?utm_source=chatgpt.com
C0nnectionTerminat3d@reddit
Children don’t have access to those things in public school either. I certainly didn’t and neither did any of my friends who left school after X amount of years.
I understand these situations happen, I’m not denying that they don’t exist but it’s not as big a problem as people tend to make it out to be. A child would essentially need to be off the grid for the abuse you’re talking about to happen; neighbours exist, doctors exist, dentists, education officers and local social services exist which parents and child(ren) are required to speak to by law before Home education is allowed to take place and after that, meet with the social worker at least yearly with evidence that learning is actually taking place.
There are regulations already and i’ll agree they need to be stricter, but forcing certain things goes against the entire reason Home education exists. It’s tailored to the individual child. Some kids can go to these clubs, some cannot. Some can only do online learning, others can’t stand it online. For some children it wouldn’t be fair, for example if their parents travel constantly (they would never settle in an in person group).
A lot of the things that you feel are necessary to protect the children already exist which is why i implore you to do some more research into it, it’s clear you care very much and that’s a good thing.
Savanarola79@reddit
Homeschooling is increasingly necessary in cases of bad bullying though, sadly. Protection of mental health very important.
C0nnectionTerminat3d@reddit
homeschool is exactly what you’re describing you wish it was. There are very few people that keep their children home 24/7 (and those that are, without good reason, are abusive - but they’re few and far between).
I was a homeschooled kid once high school began and i grew up around homeschooled kids in those years, both in online settings and in person. I only knew 2 or 3, all girls who stayed home exclusively and it was due to their individual health issues (some were physically ill, others disabled).
EfficientDelivery359@reddit
I don't know anything about homeschooling and have no particular opinion of it, but the first thing that occurred to me reading your comment was that you can't really judge the overall situation from personal experience, because if a homeschooled kid didn't get a chance to socialise then you wouldn't expect to meet them.
C0nnectionTerminat3d@reddit
HS kids are doomed by capitalism to socialise at some point in their life, but i get what you’re saying.
Far-Opinion1691@reddit
Sure, but those few and far between cases are what need to be addressed. Without proper checks and balances, who's to say there wouldn't be more instances of such abuse.
I don't mean to diminish your experiences. I have a few friends who were also homeschooled, and who are perfectly happy, functioning members of society. However, that doesn't mean we should ignore the issues which do exist.
Teaching staff are often explicitly trained to pick up on signs of abuse, such as FGM, mental health issues such as depression and anxiety, spotting signs of autism or ADHD, with many schools nowadays having a dedicated team of staff who specialise in mental health support, etc. Even the best parents out there can often fail to spot the signs for such issues, and without a routine check for such things, it's unlikely they'll get resolved in some cases.
GrandAsOwt@reddit
How are you going to stop kids under 13 going on social media? I’m not arguing, just asking.
Pebbi@reddit
I really don't think you're able to. The companies will never agree to hold that kind of user information.
The answer (like most things) is better education about using it. We had internet safety classes when I was a kid, and I'm old enough to have my own 13 year old now. It just needs to be comprehensive and actually relevant to current year.
C0nnectionTerminat3d@reddit
parents would have to mainly. Monitoring devices / banning apps etc. There used to be quite a few child exclusive social media apps and games back in the late 00s- mid 10s which, if companies regulated a bit more, could work much better. The reason they all shut down was a combination of predators accessing the app and funding.
I believe that the gov is in talks of requiring ID upon creating a social media account, but understandably a lot of people don’t want to give their IDs to companies.
Sea_Guava_6989@reddit
Transformation people. Already not really accepted today, but if you look at the shift over the last 10 years I think society is will increasingly reject the idea
rokhana@reddit
Transformation people?
Hezza_21@reddit
The mass slaughter of animals and commercial animal farming
KeyLog256@reddit
I get pissed off by this too. People who whinge about animal cruelty, or even get all flustered over Halal (which is the same as non-Halal with a different soundtrack) but still eat meat.
Just own your convictions - it's just a cow/sheep/pig/whatever. If you eat meat, just admit it doesn't matter.
andyrocks@reddit
What doesn't matter?
KeyLog256@reddit
The fact animals are being treated like a disposable product in the meat and dairy industry. They are a product.
If you care about that and don't think its nice, become a vegan. Simple solution.
andyrocks@reddit
I'm not quite following, are you saying that if you eat meat, you should admit that it doesn't matter that animals are being treated like a disposable product in the meat and dairy industry?
If so, I think that's quite the stretch. It's perfectly possible to eat meat, and care about the standards by which the animals are reared. It's not a binary thing.
rokhana@reddit
If you are buying meat and other animal products, then surely this necessitates believing the animals are disposable products? Their lives very literally had to be treated as disposable for them to be turned into the products you buy. This seems quite straightforward.
JaackF@reddit
Surely if you genuinely cared, you'd stop eating meat?
You can't care to love, for example, cats and dogs if you participated in an activity that actively hurt cats and dogs? What's the difference with cows and pigs?
EfficientDelivery359@reddit
The stereotype is that we're sensitive/squeamish, but as a vegetarian I find I'm often a lot less emotionally disturbed by news stories or photos of animal abuse and stuff than most meat eaters are. I think it's because I've spent more time emotionally processing the reality of what society does to animals. As you say, a lot of meat eaters are pretty avoidant about the topic and it leads to weird irrational behavior like this.
krisashmore@reddit
I'd go one further. I think future generations will look upon meat eating negatively in general. Maybe longer than 100 years idk. The justification for killing sentient creatures on the basis that they taste good and "that's what we've always done" doesn't really hold up from a coldly rational point of view. I don't think there's many arguments extrinsic to culture that really hold up when it comes to eating meat.
I say this as someone who eats meat, preempting the weird anti-vegan mob attack.
turok2@reddit
The phrase "animal farming"
The word "livestock"
Hopefully one day we look back and think "how could we?"
Footprints123@reddit
I think in a couple of decades we'll look upon eating meat as completely barbaric and I say that as a meat eater.
I think we'll reject social media more in the future.
I'm not sure about AI. I find it terrifying already.
name30@reddit
I think we pretty much have to solve world hunger before eating meat is that maligned.
rokhana@reddit
Animal agriculture is part of the problem. We grow huge amounts of crops to feed the 90 billion land animals we slaughter every year, this means animal agriculture uses up nearly 80% of all agricultural land while providing only 20% of calories consumed worldwide and only around 37% of the protein. It's immensely wasteful and inefficient.
wasdice@reddit
I think lab meat will take over as soon as it's cheap enough. There will be an "organic meat" movement that will start strong, but dwindle over time. Vegetarianiam will be split into those who are cool with it, and those who aren't.
Cuddols@reddit
Not sure about eating meat as a whole but I think the killing methods will be far more regulated.
elethiomel_was_kind@reddit
It’s not simply the mode of slaughter though… it’s so much more systemic than that. Animal agriculture occupies a staggering amount of land and uses stupendous amounts of resources. It destroys biodiversity and is cradle to many human diseases.
SMTRodent@reddit
Animal agriculture - not intensive agriculture, that's bad, but still agriculture - is actually needed for a whole lot of regenerative practices.
Animals turn feed into fertiliser. They turn otherwise inedible plants into food. You can have too much of a good thing - for example we should be removing so many more wild deer than we do, so that the forests can grow back. Overgrazing has turned the hills of Scotland into a lifeless waste.
How it's managed now is just awful. I just think you can throw out the baby with the bathwater if you ban all of it.
elethiomel_was_kind@reddit
But it’s not efficient, and the less intensive you make animal ag, the more land you require. We live on a bald island…. more pasture is not the answer.
My personal opinion is that a successful future will be built on vat-grown meats, entirely new foods created by fermentation, an intensive indoor horticulture like the Netherlands is pioneering, and robot-driven organic heritage arable. As you say, nature is out of balance and needs to be restored- there’s nothing hunting the deer.
I don’t think this is accepted today (most people seem to imagine the countryside is some pastoral ideal) but I do think the cruelty and inefficiency will be looked back on with wonder in the future, assuming we’re still around and don’t fall over the brink.
SMTRodent@reddit
I wasn't talking about pasture, but agroforesty and wetland management, which apparently need ruminants and pigs to get things kick-started somehow.
We need those things for a) wildlife and b) flood management.
IntelligenzMachine@reddit
We choose who lives and dies yet another huge W for humans suck it animals
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Leipopo_Stonnett@reddit
I can see us reaching a point where all food is created artificially and “natural” meat will be viewed the way you described, while farming crops in a natural environment would seem archaic and unsanitary.
Pebbi@reddit
I think we will see meat from actual animals as barbaric or wasteful once lab grown is normalised for sure. I'm already at the point where I wish we were there already haha
ItWasRamirez@reddit
I came here to say the exact same thing about meat, which I also say as a meat eater, although I think it’ll take longer than two decades
OldenDays21@reddit
all would be great except the meat part
MyManTheo@reddit
I think it’ll probably take a bit longer than that for meat eating to be viewed as badly as that, but attitudes will certainly shift further during that period. I think meat eating will only be fully viewed as barbaric and disgusting by generations where meat eating is no longer the norm and has never been
Texanity@reddit
Cash. Cash is dirty and it’s far less efficient than card transactions where you don’t have to mess around with loose bits of change and can readily track payments online. Young people already don’t use cash nearly as much as older folk unless they’re buying certain, and if we’re being completely honest here, illicit, things.
It slightly boggles the mind that cash is even a thing now considering the technology needed to facilitate transactions in its absence is already ubiquitous.
Certain countries have already largely phased out the use of cash as well. It’s hardly like it’s a new proposition. China, for example, relies almost solely on the use of QR codes for payments nowadays, using them more than even the traditional payment processors we’re used to in the West such as Visa and Mastercard.
It wouldn’t massively shock me if cryptocurrency was to eventually fill the role of fulfilling anonymized payments that cash does currently, but I don’t think this is necessarily a guarantee. I’d still be fairly confident in predicting cash will be phased out regardless of another means of processing anonymized payments taking its place though.
Low_Resolve9379@reddit
I don't agree this is a good thing. It essentially necessitates owning a smartphone.
I think the current situation in the UK works just fine. Card for my main payment method, cash as a backup if that isn't an option for whatever reason.
Texanity@reddit
If you think about it though, cash is ultimately not in the interest of the government to maintain. Besides the cost of manufacturing banknotes and coins, cash actively facilitates illegal activity such as the drug trade, human trafficking, tax evasion etc. All of these, meanwhile, are much more difficult to conduct via electronic methods of payment which are more easily tracked.
I personally rarely, if ever, use cash. I’m not arguing whether we should abolish cash or not though. I just see its abolition as, ultimately, somewhat inevitable.
Low-Pangolin-3486@reddit
Vaping. I think future generations will find it absolutely staggering that single use vapes have been allowed to flourish like they have.
ZombieRhino@reddit
Single use vapes and power banks are one of the most appallingly egregious 'inventions'. Vapes themselves aren't far behind but at least they are reusable.
Resident_Rush_7498@reddit
Why power banks?
ZombieRhino@reddit
Single use power banks. Not proper ones. Huge amounts of electronic waste that often just go to landfill.
Spencer-ForHire@reddit
People used disposable batteries for years. I remembered my Gamegear would chew through 6 AAs in about 3 hours, These would then go straight to landfill. Senseless waste.
Savanarola79@reddit
I still use a lot of disposable batteries - have lots of devices that sadly do not have internal rechargeable batteries.
Smooth_Leadership895@reddit
By the rechargeable AA batteries? They can work out a lot cheaper in the long run. I’ve got 18 rechargeable batteries for every device and a spare 4 on the charger at all times.
hootersm@reddit
Some devices just don't work properly with rechargeables as the voltage is lower (1.2v Vs 1.5v). But generally I follow you with using rechargeables where I can.
Car-Nivore@reddit
Up the product quality that you are purchasing then. Initially more expensive but over time they save you a bit. My kid smashes through AAs with his Xbox Joypad, but because I use Energiser Rechargeable batteries, they last for many, many cycles.
hootersm@reddit
As u/Interesting_Try8375 said it's an issue with the chemical make up of rechargeable batteries. I have some lithium rechargeables that do run at 1.5v but to be honest, they're shit and only last five minutes.
originaldonkmeister@reddit
Isn't that because they are 3.7V batteries with circuitry to step down the voltage to 1.5V? Or is there actually a 1.5v chemistry now?
hootersm@reddit
I honestly have no idea.
Interesting_Try8375@reddit
All NiMH batteries are 1.2v, it's not a cheap battery thing. Although I only use NiMH and haven't seen any problems with devices so far.
I actually prefer NiMH to lithium because you can just swap the battery rather than have to leave the device charging for ages. Plus you don't need to replace the entire device when the battery degrades.
originaldonkmeister@reddit
Swappable Li-Ion batteries are a thing, it's silly that so many devices don't allow for this. Power tools, camcorders and cameras have swappable batteries, drones do, and even some laptops still have one. I had an LG phone a couple of years ago that did too. It doesn't even have to be a bespoke cell, the 18650 has become the ubiquitous AA of the lithium world although I suppose inserting a number of these would mean more complicated load balancing circuitry in the device.
Savanarola79@reddit
Xbox 360? I thought the up to date models had rechargeable controllers 🕹
Savanarola79@reddit
Lower voltage. But yes, I will increase my use of those.
Norman_debris@reddit
As a parent, batteries have sadly crept back into my life. I'm forever replacing batteries in walkie talkies, robot cats, or bubble machines.
Savanarola79@reddit
As a manchild it's a similar story for my collectibles 😆
ZombieRhino@reddit
Yup I have done the same with the good old Gameboy batteries back in the day, but haven't done so in years as there are better disposable methods now.
And the old single use AA battery, as far as I know, doesn't contain rare earth elements like the lithium batteries of disposal vapes and power banks. Which comes with a whole host of environmental, socioeconomic, and welfare issues to produce.
Savanarola79@reddit
I actually had a rechargeable power pack for my game boy back in the day. It was great.
Routine_Ad1823@reddit
I do agree with you, but it's funny how we never thought the same thing about batteries for decades
Resident_Rush_7498@reddit
Ah right, I didn't even know you could get single use power banks, that's shocking they exist!
callisstaa@reddit
I live outside the UK and here there are power banks everywhere. You just scan the code on the machine and one pops out, you carry it around for an hour or so to charge and then put it back in the nearest machine and pay like 40p for using it. Not sure why we’re using disposable power banks when these exist.
Richard__Papen@reddit
Brilliant. What country is this in?
RandomHigh@reddit
I've seen these in a shopping centre in Derby.
callisstaa@reddit
China. They're literally everywhere, in shops, bars, hotels, metro stations, malls, outside on the streets etc. I walked back from the pub 5 mins away last night and must have passed 15 of them.
randy-oxen@reddit
We have them in Taiwan too in convenience stores.
Ginger_Tea@reddit
Big Clive dot com on YouTube has shown how to turn vape batteries and single use chargers, if they still exist, into reusable batteries.
Some soldering skills needed, but the batteries are still rechargeable, they just don't have it on the PCB.
Antique_Surprise_763@reddit
They are rechargeable but its cheaper to cover the port and just sell another one when it runs out
this_is_theone@reddit
Vapes themselves aren't far behind? Vapes have likely saved me and many of my close ones from lung cancer. I am deeply thankful for them
Richard__Papen@reddit
Have they not got lots of potentially harmful chemicals in them?
this_is_theone@reddit
No not really. I mean who knows what the future will bring but vapes have been a thing for over 20years now. There's been two huge studies done by the NHS. I think one in 2012 and one in 2022. Both times found vaping to be 95% less harmful than tobacco. There's a lot of myths about them, like popcorn lung, but they're just that - myths. Nobody should say they're 100% healthy but they're a massive upgrade from tobacco which we know is awful for you.
Delduath@reddit
I'm with you here, but popcorn lung wasn't a myth. It was caused by people's using dodgy food additive flavourings in the liquids before it was regulated.
this_is_theone@reddit
That's true I should have said it's a myth that it happens now. I mean you can still get dodgy vendors breaking the rules I guess but that's true of anything we consume.
georgefriend3@reddit
Vapes generally have likely achieved massive harm reduction, albeit they're not unproblematic themselves particularly in the clear marketing to kids / young people, I think they are still significant progress markers at least.
PM-me-your-cuppa-tea@reddit
Aren't we already there? I thought a Bill banning them later this year had already passed?
Low-Pangolin-3486@reddit
Yep, getting there!
I don’t just mean single use vapes though tbh - more just the fact that vaping has been embraced so widely by so many people without proper consideration for the risks.
PM-me-your-cuppa-tea@reddit
Oh yeah, I weed vape, so maybe I'm the wrong person, but that's inhaling actual vapor from weed as I use dry herb, the idea of inhaling solvents (as thats what vape liquid, whether nicotine or weed is) confounds me.
this_is_theone@reddit
Because it's far far healthier than inhaling smoke. Obviously it's dumb to start if you're not addicted to nicotine but I don't get why it 'confounds' you lol
Interesting_Try8375@reddit
For weed would ethanol work as a solvent to extract it in a vapeable form? Presumably such a small amount would be used at once in a cape that you wouldn't really see the effects of the ethanol.
Oh yeah, might burn a bit if it was pure ethanol, I wonder if it could be reduced though, low alcohol drinks remove most of it, maybe keep a bit so it won't spoil.
PM-me-your-cuppa-tea@reddit
No idea, I have no interest in heating and inhaling solvents. I grind fresh herb and vape that straight.
Majick_L@reddit
Volcano Hybrid user here. No, we’re outliers in this convo lol I have to explain it to my doctors aswell because when you say “vape” everyone thinks of pens / cartridges
PM-me-your-cuppa-tea@reddit
Yeah I remember hearing about popcorn lung from vaping and getting quite worried. I just explain it as "weedy steam" nowadays.
What concerns me though is that my dealer sells way more vape cartridges now than actual weed.
Majick_L@reddit
I’ve had the carts before but they are pricy. I’m actually a recent cancer survivor with 1 lung so the volcano is the ideal way for me now anyway, and edibles haha
Wino3416@reddit
Have you ever thought it might not be a good idea to… no, this is Reddit.
pertweescobratattoo@reddit
A whole generation hooked on vapes that would never have touched a tobacco product otherwise.
Kat8844@reddit
Weren’t they originally made to help people stop smoking cigarettes?, how they’ve snowballed into colourful,hundreds of flavours and used by kids who would likely have never started smoking or getting addicted to nicotine is beyond me.
jiggjuggj0gg@reddit
What I find crazy is that the government has massively cracked down on cigarette marketing - they all have to be in plain packets covered in warnings, hidden behind the counter, etc.
But vapes? Oh no, it’s absolutely fine to have every counter plastered in video adverts showcasing all the flavours and brands, with a huge display of brightly coloured, sweet flavoured, heavily branded vapes, some with absurd additions like music and Bluetooth phone calls (?!).
Lots of shops don’t even have them behind the tobacco counter, and just on regular shelves in the supermarket, where it’s very easy for kids to stuff them in their pockets.
How the government has dropped the ball on this so easily is beyond me.
this_is_theone@reddit
There's no tobacco in vapes. They're also the reason me and many people close to me no longer smoke and are now far less likely to die a horrible death due to cancer. Don't get me wrong, the marketing for them needs regulating to stop kids picking them up but they have saved countless lives. The government is acting on science and not vibes and the science says they're 95% less harmful than smoking.
Kat8844@reddit
Yes!, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I’m old enough to remember (I’m 37) normal cigarette counters at shops, the coloured packets etc and just about, people being able to smoke in pubs/clubs, although it got banned when I was in my late teens. Sure some people smoked but a lot of us never took it up and I think smoking would be almost non existent among teens today compared to even my generation yet alone older ones.
Vapes seem to have reignited the desire for a nicotine hit, and become so fashionable with kids, no you don’t have to smoke an expensive,stinky cigarette you can get these colourful, fun vapes that come in every flavour you could imagine.
I’m not anti vaping (or smoking) as such but aiming and marketing something that’s harmful and addictive at kids is just really wrong to me. I hope the government has cracked down and the vaping craze is well and truly over by the time my 3 are older.
Afraid-Priority-9700@reddit
Yes! My mum started using them about 15 years ago to stop smoking. Hers are flavourless and reusable, and the idea was that you started on the liquid with the highest amount of nicotine in it, then gradually moved down, using less and less nicotine until you're ready to quit completely. They were meant to be an aide to quitting smoking altogether, not for bairns to start huffing Watermelon Peach smoke into their tiny developing lungs.
Kat8844@reddit
As a quitting smoking aide I think they’re a good thing but how they’ve been marketed as a product in their own right and no matter how much the manufacturers deny it, marketed at children too is really wrong.
Rootes_Radical@reddit
How old are you out of interest?
When I was younger so so many young people used to smoke and so many adults. I feel like a similar amount of young people these days vape, possibly less, but definitely not more (in my opinion).
I’m 40 btw so we’re talking 25 years ago give or take.
I think disposable vapes are an awful thing but seeing all these young people vaping, all I can really think is at least they’re not smoking cigarettes. It’s still a stupid habit but it’s the lesser evil.
Jaylow115@reddit
There was a solid 20 year period (1995-2015) where smoking rates were steadily falling amongst teenagers and young adults. Most teenagers who vape now didn’t even start with cigarettes, they started with the vape.
Rootes_Radical@reddit
That’s fair.
Don’t you think a lot of them would be smoking cigarettes if vapes weren’t about though?
Not as many as when I was younger but I do think a lot of young people who vape would just be smoking instead. Maybe I’m wrong though.
Very very rarely I see a young person smoking these days and honestly it blows my mind how anyone’s actually taking up smoking cigarettes these days!
BigBadRash@reddit
smoking rates are on the rise
People are getting hooked on nicotine through vapes and turning to cigarettes to cut down on how much they're vaping. I know a shocking amount of people who have taken up smoking in an effort to reduce their vaping.
Yes smoking is far less common now than 10-20 years ago, but we are starting to see people go back to smoking as so many people still have an addiction to nicotine.
jesushiva@reddit
They wouldn't. There was a perceptible gap in the 2010s when young people usually weren't smoking anything (maybe weed, but def not the majority). Cigs and vapes don't fall out of the sky, they need to be actively pushed onto the market. Tobacco use decreased massively and it wasn't being replaced with vapes cause the people who didn't smoke never smoked and thought it was disgusting. Now vapes have made smoking seem "cleaner" and more socially acceptable.
asthecrowruns@reddit
I know a fair few of my friends smoke, but I’d say it’s 35/65 who smoke vs don’t. But maybe I’m biased, having gone to art school - about half the class there smoked ahah. Having said that, we were spread from across Europe and it seemed much more common amongst other Europeans, partially due to the cost, I think. Many of them smoked less in the Uk or vaped here due to the cost of buying cigs. It’s a big factor.
Amongst me and my friends, all the vapers either switched to vapes to stop smoking or would go between the two (some also swapped between gum/tabs as well). I don’t know anyone who started vaping by itself, without ever touching a cigarette. But I think that’s likely more common in the slightly younger crowd, amongst teens, since vaping wasn’t a big thing till I hit 18 or so?
EfficientDelivery359@reddit
I'm 32 rn and we definitely feel like an intermediate generation, cause I feel like very few people my age smoke or vape but the people older and younger than us do.
TheWholeOfTheAss@reddit
Hate having to smell sickly sweet vape fumes from c-words on the street.
this_is_theone@reddit
Oh no having to smell something slightly sweet for a fee seconds. What absolute cunts they are
FloydEGag@reddit
Anecdotal but I have several relatives in their early 20s who have never smoked and consider it disgusting, but happily puff away on their vapes
Shoddy-Computer2377@reddit
I believe that vaping will eventually come under attack the same way smoking rightly did.
blozzerg@reddit
I don’t mind vaping as much, it smells better than cigarettes and is likely to be less harmful to those around, however I do think there will be a point where it becomes unacceptable indoors much like smoking is.
Many places state they ban smoking and vaping, but vaping is never challenged the way smoking is. I go to a lot of gigs and people are puffing away non stop around me, despite all the venues I attend being non smoking venues. Same with in shops, restaurants, public transport etc the only place I’ve seen it enforced is on an airplane, and only then if the person is caught because of their cloud, people who minimise their vapour still get away with it.
FloydEGag@reddit
So many vapers seem unable to go without for long. I’ve seen people absent-mindedly pulling them out in tube stations and pubs ffs! And they often puff away for far longer than you’d smoke a fag.
I used to smoke so I get the addiction, but I wasn’t constantly lighting up where I shouldn’t and chain smoking and blowing smoke directly at people, I’d go and hide somewhere there were no people haha
blozzerg@reddit
I went to an arena gig recently and it was non stop. Just constant vaping around me. Someone actually lit a cig for a couple of puffs on two occasions, it was really weird smelling it indoors, but if you can’t go 5 hours without a cigarette then you need to inconvenience yourself and nip outside to the smoking area, instead of inconveniencing everyone else around you.
FloydEGag@reddit
Tbf it is very hard to go five hours without a cigarette haha. But yeah if you need one (a cig or a vape) then you nip outside! This has been the case for nearly 20 years!
blozzerg@reddit
I used to know two heavy smokers, as in they’d probably have one an hour, sometimes chain smoking two or three in a row if they’re having a good chat outside. They used to struggle everywhere except long haul flights. Could easily sit for 14+ hours without one, just a patch and gum. Amazing how it can be controlled when it suited them. 😂
They’ve since both quit which is one thing I definitely didn’t expect to happen but shows it is possible with the right mindset and a bit of help!
FloydEGag@reddit
I used to be fine on long haul (like 10+ hours) but as soon as we landed I’d be gasping! My other half though wears patches on the flight (he now vapes heated tobacco - not in the house!)
gameofgroans_@reddit
I’m asthmatic and I react so much worse when there’s vapers around than cigarettes. I think it’s cause the cloud of vape is so much more intense, it feels like a cartoon cloud but cigarettes feels like a sort of stream idk. It’s so strong.
Obviously all asthmatics are different but for me personally I wish vaping would get the same treatment as cigarettes. Not to stereotype but a lot of people I know who vape seem to think it is totally harmful and fine to literally blow into people faces. Maybe that’s what makes it worsen too
boudicas_shield@reddit
I agree. And people seem to think that you can vape wherever the hell you want now, because it “smells nice”. I was at a gig once where they had to stop the show three times to keep asking one person to stop vaping, as the lead singer was recovering from lung cancer. I don’t understand why the guy wasn’t just kicked out after the first warning.
gameofgroans_@reddit
“But it’s just bubblegum it’s lovely!!!!!”
Urgh I totally agree.
blozzerg@reddit
I think aside from it affecting other people’s breathing, I also don’t want a visual representation of the air that’s been in you and is now going in me.
I survived lockdown, wore the mask, washed my hands, got the jabs, had a mental breakdown, developed a slight phobia of breath germs, I go into a little state of panic if I end up in someone else’s breath cloud. If you could see normal exhaled air it would be a much much smaller cloud, concentrated in front of the person’s mouth. Vape air is this huge visible fog. It’s vile.
Loud_Fisherman_5878@reddit
Vapers will stand in a bus shelter and vape, I’ve seen people do it in pubs, if you step out of a shop a step behind someone you can get caught in their cloud as they immediately start huffing on the vape they had to go without for a whole five minutes. At leadt a cigarette involved them taking it out of a packet and lighting up giving them those seconds to move further away. Vapers seem to have no idea they are doing it half the time. Hate it.
Jebble@reddit
When did smoking become unacceptable?.. because it really isn't
Afraid-Priority-9700@reddit
It definitely is. You have to go outside to do it in public, and most people don't allow smoking inside their homes. We call it dirty, tell our kids it's bad for them, and there are national campaigns telling everyone to quit. When my husband tells people that he still smokes (since many of his friends have now quit, moved to vaping, or use nicotine tabs) people look at him like he's a relic. It's not socially acceptable.
Jebble@reddit
I don't disagree with any of that, but I don't find any of those things making it "unacceptable".
Afraid-Priority-9700@reddit
So what on earth is the barrier of "acceptable," if you agree that it's not socially acceptable? Is there only "acceptable" and "illegal" in your mind?
Jebble@reddit
Acceptable and socially acceptable are two very different things for me. And no illegal isn't the same as unacceptable.
Afraid-Priority-9700@reddit
So what's the difference? How do we determine acceptability except socially? Are there examples of other things you consider acceptable, but not socially acceptable? Just asking because it's such an odd, niche distinction to make.
Jebble@reddit
I'm not making it a "niche" distinction and I have no explanation for the difference. Socially unacceptable to me is just more a "frowned upon", certain "generic" group of people having a shared opinion on it kind of thing. But again, I wasn't talking about the UK but the earths population in general, but also it's quite obvious that different generations think differently about it.
Woffingshire@reddit
About 20 years ago, and continually since.
Jebble@reddit
I don't think you know what unacceptable means.and definitely not since 20 years.
Woffingshire@reddit
No I think I do. It's been heavily frowned upon my entire lifetime
Jebble@reddit
I think your personal view doesn't make something acceptable or unacceptable. You're just a single person of a single generation of a huge worldwide population.
Woffingshire@reddit
I think you're gaslighting yourself about what society in this country thinks about smoking, and has for a long time.
In 2023 75% of adults in England and Scotland supported the idea of a smoking ban according to YouGov.
Since from 2000 to 2020 the amount of British people who smoked fell from 25% to 10%. Thats over 50% less.
Britain and British society are by and large anti-smoking and have been for decades.
Jebble@reddit
Maybe read, I'm not talking about this country in particular. I'm not even disagreeing with anything you say, which you'd know if you had just tried to read.
Tall-Neighborhood-58@reddit
The fact that the smell of cigs has all but disappeared from public spaces, advertising has long been banned on TV and smokers regularly scolded for lighting up (as I witnessed only last week) would suggest otherwise.
Jebble@reddit
18% of the European population smokes in a daily basis :).
FloydEGag@reddit
So a minority. How much of the UK population smokes every day?
Jebble@reddit
It had always been a minority, I wouldn't say that is an indicator of acceptability or not. Go to Spain or France where smoking is still happening by most people on the streets in daily life. I'm not just talking UK though, I don't think smoking generally has become "unacceptable" yet. I also don't think an indicator for that would be it being a minority, in Western countries it's never been a majority.
Wino3416@reddit
The smell of weed often replaces it though…
EvilTaffyapple@reddit
Oh come on mate. I’m an ex-smoker and even I knew it’s become completely unfashionable since the smoking ban in clubs.
We’ve known it’s shit for decades. The quicker we stop people from taking it up, the better. Just phase it out and make up the tax shortfall with legalised marijuana.
SplurgyA@reddit
Why is smoking marijuana more acceptable than smoking cigarettes? Especially when people put baccy in spliffs? I grant you not everyone who consumes marijuana does it through smoking but it seems weird to suggest smoking is unacceptable unless it's weed.
EvilTaffyapple@reddit
Where did I mention smoking marijuana?
SplurgyA@reddit
You didn't. It's just the most common way of consuming marijuana.
Jebble@reddit
That doesn't mean it's unacceptable lol. 18% of the European population over 15 still smokes daily.
KeyLog256@reddit
Vaping in general or single-use vapes? As u/Low-Pangolin-3486 said, there is no need for single-use vapes and they are rightly just a few months from being banned.
Vaping in general could save a billion (not hyperbole) lives over the next few decades. No evidence it is dangerous, plenty that it isn't but is an effective direct-swap for smoking.
Of course, big tobacco are trying to supress this, so no doubt this will get massively downvoted without evidence being posted....
asmiggs@reddit
All the Big tobacco companies sell vapes.
KeyLog256@reddit
Not in developing countries they don't. It's not all about us.
And as a footnote, as this is a minor issue in this point, the vast majority of vapes and vaping products are not made or sold by big tobacco companies.
One-Shallot-3045@reddit
I found tha staggering now. Either smoke an actually cigarette or don't smoke.
this_is_theone@reddit
Now that is an absolutely mental take. Some people don't want cancer lol
proxima-centauri-@reddit (OP)
I agree. All those vapes discarded on the streets is just a staggering .
Savanarola79@reddit
It would help though if people didn't just throw them on the street and instead took them to a recycling facility or at the very least throw them in a bin.
CollapsingCaldera@reddit
the fact that it is so prominent is a symptom of a society that won't be around much longer
Round_Caregiver2380@reddit
Ban cigarettes then reduce the maximum level of nicotine by 1mg/ml every year and ween everyone off over a decade or so.
Tildatots@reddit
O be honest it feels like we’re shifting massively back to traditional gender roles and conservatism at the minute so I’m starting to worry people will look at the millennial phase of gender equality and women thriving in the workplace as something silly
VOODOO285@reddit
My workplace, at least, is hiring lots of women for roles that were traditionally male driven. I think it's fantastic. I don't think workplaces are going to regress gender roles, but I take your point. General society, on the other hand, yes, I think you'll see a roll back to how it was 15 or so years ago.
And a joke about women in the workplace...
All these women, coming here, taking our jobs.... 😂😂😂
name30@reddit
Well, the economy changing so that you need two full time working adults to fund a household isn't something the bastards are going to want to undo.
VOODOO285@reddit
I firmly believe there's a lot of validity to that!
Happy_891@reddit
What makes you say this? Genuinely curious
Vivid-Smell-6375@reddit
Grass deficiency
Tildatots@reddit
Rise of right wing parties, tradwives, questionable male influencers and the ending of a lot of environmental policies
SirGeorgeAgdgdgwngo@reddit
Right wing parties have seen significant support from young people and first time voters in Europe
https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-young-people-right-wing-voters-far-right-politics-eu-elections-parliament/
AngryBathrobeMan@reddit
With crashing fertility rates around the West we’re either going to have to revert to tradition, remain with the present and die out under increasing taxes/opportunistic warring/experience the collapse of the welfare state, or raise immigration which necessarily includes cultures with more traditional structures, essentially bringing us back to the first option.
Or, we have to figure out how to reshape modern society in an entirely novel way which enables both modern freedoms and enables the raising of families, but good luck campaigning on that basis. Much like with the environment, I fear that by the time people across the political spectrum start taking it seriously, it’ll already be too late, and what they offer, too little. The fact that the discussion of fertility is framed as a right wing obsession, and not the reality of it threatening our entire society is utterly asinine.
Leipopo_Stonnett@reddit
I think it’s cyclical, but generally moves away from “conservatism” in the long run. We’ll have resurgences of it, but each time it will creep more in the other direction afterwards.
Dapper_Otters@reddit
That's my sense as well. Over the last century or so, every 'line in the sand' drawn by conservatives has been decidedly pushed past. Rarely without a fight though, which is what we're seeing now.
OldenDays21@reddit
Women and men are inherently different, learn to be at peace with this
Interesting_Try8375@reddit
Yeah but tits don't impact your ability to write SQL. Taught a mixed gender group recently, there was no gender based difference in understanding and instead related more closely with how long someone has been working here, which makes sense as new hires are less experienced with the product so may not have been known the front end side of what I was showing.
EmmaRoidCreme@reddit
Men and women are more similar than they are different. Learn to be at peace with this.
Tildatots@reddit
They can be different yet not oppressed
7DeadlyFrenchmen@reddit
Animal welfare - animals in cages, pets without licenses, unregulated breeding, factory farming etc... I think a time will come when people just won't accept this anymore.
zephyrmox@reddit
Gas hobs. I love cooking on gas but it is objectively awful for air quality in the home.
Routine_Ad1823@reddit
And the wood burning stoves that everyone currently loves.
SO bad for your lungs.
Cosy though.
I saw a conspiracy theory that said the government is trying to regulate them so that we remain dependant on Big Energy
Correct-Holiday-6972@reddit
I didn’t know this and I’ve always resented my electric hob 😮
VOODOO285@reddit
It was about 2 years ago a bunch of videos got released, and the horror show unfolded. Even off they're leaking some horrendous chemicals into your home. I'd got rid of ours a long time ago. But after seeing those videos, I'd gave got rid same day.
Correct-Holiday-6972@reddit
That’s really interesting. I might see if I can read some more on it somewhere!!… Like could it increase the chances of dementia, or cause other long-term health issues?! Have they done studies?… So many questions, sorry, I know you’re not Ask Jeeves - I’ll go and have a study online by myself 😅
VOODOO285@reddit
I have to know... how did it go?
VOODOO285@reddit
It's not a problem. It's been a while at this point, so I'm afraid I don't recall specifics, but I challenge you to go watch some and then tell me how fast you're ripping out your gas hob. You won't want it near your kids or yourself. I guarantee it.
Enjoy the rabbit hole.
SMTRodent@reddit
Burning that gas releases stuff. I was very pro-gas for cooking, for decades, but I've since changed my mind and learned to adapt my cooking techniques. I preheat the element to max, then turn it down to the heat I actually want before I start cooking, and that seems to solve a lot of problems.
superioso@reddit
Electric hobs are not all made equal. Induction is easily a better experience for cooking than gas .
MurderBeans@reddit
I think future generations will either be horrified that we let so much of our personal information and pictures etc be freely available on the internet or amazed that we were allowed to retain ownership of it for so long.
With any luck they'll be amazed at how long we held onto cars as a means of mass transit given how terrible they are in terms of space and consumption and how happy we were to drive about inside a cloud of carcinogens.
I think bits of urban planning will seem very antiquated, how much space we wasted on roads and single family homes. Not so much here (depending on how the climate changes) but the sprawling suburbs that exacerbate things like wildfires.
Not to go full Malthus but unless we develop new agricultural methods the amount of meat we consume may seem kind of ridiculous.
Why_Not_Ind33d@reddit
I like the idea that future generations will be able to look back and see the search history / internet usage of previous generations.
Vocaloid5@reddit
Ah, the waytoofarback machine
Routine_Ad1823@reddit
They wheeyyyyyyback machine
Routine_Ad1823@reddit
I've thought about this before. Whether everyone will end up with some virtual-brain-thingy and whether we'll be the OGs because we were the first generation.
Or, more likely, we'll just have really shitty resolution, like the OG YouTube videos
thecarbonkid@reddit
Grandad what's a tubgirl?
Leipopo_Stonnett@reddit
Future cyberarcheologists are going to know exactly what porn you’ve been looking at and all the shit you posted as a teenager. You thought the idea of your parents ever knowing was bad enough, what about all your distant descendants down the line!
Wino3416@reddit
What do you propose as replacing the car?
MrLubricator@reddit
My prediction will be driver driverless pods. A uber like app you can use to call a pod to pick you up and take you where you want to go. Pods are electric and on a centralised software system that allows all pods to talk to each other and so there will be no traffic at all. No more need for car parks and driveways. They will be more efficient with road space too, so no more multi lane motorways. People will have front gardens again.
Pheaphilus@reddit
It's interesting that I had a very different reaction to your description than I think you probably had! Genuinely not wanting to argue, I just thought that was interesting. That sounds awful to me, and I'd hate the lack of control and impulsivity. As a woman, I feel much safer having control of my own travel at any moment.
MrLubricator@reddit
I am interested why you think this system has less control and impulsivity? It has waaay more. No more spending thousands on owning cars. No more sitting in traffic (genuine prison). You can have your life back; you dont have to drive, you can read or watch something. No more stress about being late because of traffic. If you change your mind you tell the pod to take you somewhere else or let you out here (like a normal taxi). Which bit of this sounds awful?
---x__x---@reddit
It’s interesting how people have such different feelings towards cars.
To me,
Is completely alien. I don’t HAVE to drive, I get to drive. I enjoy driving admins as a means of transportation I find it much preferable to being restricted to the timetables and routes of public transport.
I don’t find driving particularly stressful at all in fact.
I get to sit in a nice comfy air conditioned box and listen to a podcast or music without having some smelly bastard breathing down my neck or standing shoulder to shoulder with people coughing and picking at their skin.
With that being said I don’t live in a particularly dense city I’m sure I’d hate driving if I lived in London.
Pheaphilus@reddit
I suppose (and I'm really not wanting to argue, it's too sunny here for that!) I find the idea of not being able to just walk out of my house and get in my car restrictive. I'd have to wait for the pod to turn up, and I'd also have no say in what route it was taking because I'm not in control.
I don't find driving like, a "have your life back" problem - I like driving, I hate public transport and genuinely enjoy being in the car. I'd always offer to drive over being a passenger any day! The lack of choice is restrictive to me, from my perspective. I don't feel safe relying on forms of transport that aren't in my control.
I don't see how that system has more impulsivity? I wouldn't be in control of the vehicle, the route etc. And of course it would be insanely expensive to run but I suppose that's really a different matter.
Travellingjake@reddit
I think the thing that will blow their minds with cars is that we were allowed to manually pilot a couple of tons of metal in densely populated areas.
Car-Nivore@reddit
Only to the uneducated and indoctrinated on your meat point.
TrueSolid611@reddit
I think nutrition will be looked at differently and psychiatric drugs
SweetBabyCheezas@reddit
Science isn't and never was perfect, luckily it is self-correcting, and it does so at an increasingly faster pace. E.g. Cocaine was legal once, then it was banned as longitudinal studies did show detrimental effects of it's regular use.
AltruisticGarbage740@reddit
And David Nutt who was the governments Independent drug adviser recommended legalising all drugs because having them illégal causes more problems
Funny how science goes full circle
Hé got sacked for correctly stating alcohol, cannabis, LSD and ecstacy are safer than alcohol
SweetBabyCheezas@reddit
A few years ago there was an interesting debate between some European experts who claim that legalisation of drugs and prostitution would generate more revenue for each country and minimise the flow of cash into the black market. Those who want to will get it, probably dodgy stuff that's of questionable purity. Legalised drugs would be of a pharmaceutical quality, safer and more controlled, if governments played it right that is.
AltruisticGarbage740@reddit
They are correct
You can go to any city find someone sleeping rough and they will know where to get héroïn or know someone who can
I loved next to crack and smack dealers for years, they all got kicked out as it was a halfway house and it got renovated, new dealers moved in
They are still selling there now and ive not lived there for 2 years
Whats the point in it being illégal if it just makes it more dangerous for the user and nothing happens to the sellers?
People doe from héroïn when they are used to a certain strength and a new batch is too strong and they od
If it was legal it would bé free of adulterants
The gouvernement made it harder to get the chemicals used to cut cocaïne and that's why its so much purér now
Been 50 years since the misuse of drugs act and its easier than ever to get drugs, is an absolute failure
And its a joke prostitution isnt legal, i can use m'y hands to work for someone but if i use my Dick its illegal
Logical_Economist_87@reddit
Prostitution is legal in the UK
AltruisticGarbage740@reddit
Valid
Not in a safe manner though
Can't have 2 prostitutes working in the same building
Brothels are safer to work in for all involved
SweetBabyCheezas@reddit
That's insane! I've heard stories of weed growers who have deals with local police to leave them and their boys alone for a cut, you think corruption could be the case with the government too? Kind of Tommy Shelby thing.
I do however somewhat get the problem with prostitution, that it could potentially pose a risk to personal freedom, human trafficking and sex slavery. I get the idea of trying to prevent, or at least minimise these occurrences. Plus, the STDs are a real thing and would pose a risk to NHS, just like obesity-related diseases do.
AltruisticGarbage740@reddit
Undercover please took an ounce if weed off me, then when i was arrested for something else i asked about any previous and they didn't mention it
When they asked if i wanted a receipt for the stop and search i intentionally said no as there was a chance this weed would 'disappear' and it did
I think we see criminels become politicians in other countries like those in south America,why wouldnt it happen in the UK? There is a know phenomenon where British people think things like that dont happen here, but its dumb to think people are not corrupt here. COVID proved how corrupt politicians are.
Do you think the problems you described with prostitution are more likely to occur now or with a system where you have to bé licensed, which to keep you have to have regular sti checks?
Make it so it is standard procédure to show your license at the beginning of a session and the customer can scan a QR code or something which will show a picture of the prostitue along with the date of their last sti check.
Make it so the customer is made aware there are condoms available to use with multiple sizes to prevent breakages.
Also if its legal in time the stigma would bé dramatically reduced meaning people will bé more comfortable getting stinchecks themselves
Interesting_Try8375@reddit
Or tax it too much and the black market just undercuts you.
Then again the same thing happens with alcohol. Though not sure how many home brewers are selling their product. Not sure if it's worth the risks legally.
Savanarola79@reddit
Is LSD really safer than alcohol drunk in moderation?
AltruisticGarbage740@reddit
Yes
LSD is pretty much not physically harmful at all, it raises your heartrate and that's about it
Alcohol is terrible for you
But dont believe me, look for the drugs harm chart and it compares drugs showing, damage and sociétal damage a drug causes
Alcohol is the highest above heroin
Savanarola79@reddit
Fair enough. It was a genuine question yet I get downvoted. Good old Reddit!
Rainbowlemon@reddit
How dare you ask a legitimate question! We only allow sarcasm and vitriol here.
AltruisticGarbage740@reddit
I have been in your situation many times
Never change reddit
Not going to lie because of a lack of a comma i thought you were talking about drinking a modérate amount of LSD, but that's on me taking everything at face value
If you have any more questions feel free to ask
Its safety to take is a reason i love it.
On the other side i have drunk alcohol and it effected my liver after one night and i dont drink loads, im not interested in getting really drunk
It did sort itself out after a day or so
Logical_Economist_87@reddit
False. Alcohol is not safer than alcohol.
AltruisticGarbage740@reddit
True
SMTRodent@reddit
Why? We will have new ones, but the idea of medicine isn't going to die out, and the brain is an organ like all the others.
Get the right medicine and it can be truly lifechanging. For example, I don't spend the entire winter contemplating ending it all any more, and the only side effect I get is slightly dry eyes and a morning dry mouth. Not having to constantly talk myself out of doing something silly has freed up a lot of mental energy to enjoy life's simple pleasures.
bluebotnot@reddit
The way we treat animals; a small number are adored as pets, the rest are abused, hunted, farmed and exploited for their meat/milk/skin etc.
lavenderacid@reddit
The way we treat trans people now will be looked at the way older generations treated gay people. I know so many older people who lived through gay people being treated like predators, perverts, and pride themselves on being progressive and welcoming, unlike their parents. Yet, they'll see a trans person and start spouting the exact same rhetoric about them being predatory/deviant etc.
We're going to look back on the media and legal campaigns against them with shame. As we should already be doing. I think in a few generations, it'll really hit home just how evil it all really is.
jessexpress@reddit
Hear hear 👏 I can’t think of many arguments ‘against’ trans people (which is kind of a bonkers thing to say when you think about it) that wasn’t also used against gay people: - They’re trying to convert/corrupt children ✅ - They’re perverts and/or sex predators ✅ - They’re mentally ill ✅ - It goes against nature/biology ✅ - They are trying to corrupt society ✅ - They’re not really gay/trans and are just trying to be rebellious or for attention ✅ - They are a threat to women ✅ (used big time against lesbians in things like changing rooms/toilets etc) - If we allow people to do this next they’ll be trying to change their age/marry animals etcetc ✅
Able-District-9439@reddit
I think in person shopping will become a thing of the past in the future and be seen as antiquated. It’s already happening now with the rise of online shopping and so many malls and stores have closed down.
Pebbi@reddit
Yeah we haven't done in person shopping since before covid, there was just never a reason to go back to it.
LiamoLuo@reddit
I’ve done online delivery grocery shopping twice, and only because I was given quite a significant voucher for it which saved me a good chunk on the shop. I’d 100% prefer to go to the shops and pick out my own veggies, fruits, meats and shelf life’s for me, I didn’t enjoy the home delivery experience with swaps etc.
I’ll use online shopping for some things, and prefer going to shops for others. I’m looking for new tiles at the moment, I’d rather go to the shops and see them in person, same with clothing so I can try it on. I’d happily order a book online though. I’d be sad if we moved fully away from in person shopping, I’d certainly spend less and our high streets would just become bars and restaurants.
Pebbi@reddit
Ah I love my online grocery shop haha. Once a week I sit down with my partner and we make a meal plan of what we fancy for the week ahead. He makes it into a shopping list as he's the cook. I add anything we need for the house like cleaning products or toiletries. Then I just edit my pre-booked slot with everything we want and it comes the next day.
It's very rare to get a substitute or missing item these days :)
LiamoLuo@reddit
That’s fair, I certainly see the appeal for people, and the benefit for people who can’t get to shops as well so I think it’s a great service offered, it’s just not for me. I often browse for inspiration for our meals and I find browsing difficult online for groceries. Atleast from the supermarkets I have near me atleast. But In your situation I can see how that’s not an issue as you go with a specific list so can just search.
BojaktheDJ@reddit
How do you buy stuff like clothes online? You don't want to try it on!?
And things like artworks, you don't want to see it upfront, touch it, understand the weight & dimensions etc?
Even a book - if I want a book it's cos I want to read it today, so I'll go and buy it. Not waiting around for an online order.
Idk, I just never understood online shopping!
Pebbi@reddit
When you buy clothes online they come with a return label. Some places don't even charge you until you confirm you want the item they've sent. If it doesn't fit then you just turn the bag inside out, attach the label and reseal, and a courier will come pick it up.
Artworks I just... Use a tape measure in advance? I'm not sure I understand this one. Maybe because I'm only buying prints so it's just a matter of selecting size and then ordering a frame.
For books I use Kindle. I read too many to buy physical books these days. I buy physical copies when it's an author I'm invested in. I just searched Brandon Sanderson on Amazon for example and I could get the first four stormlight books delivered same day delivery if I wanted. But mostly I treat physical books like a collectors item now to save on space.
I promise it's very comfortable and I don't feel like I'm missing out :)
SnooBooks1701@reddit
I think there will always be a place for it, particularly with markets, but it will need proper support to make shopping areas attractive places to be with amenities that are currently lacking (more bins, more public toilets, drinking fountains, pedestrianisation, etc). There's likely to always be people who want to see things before they buy them and I'm not convinced that most online retailers have a sustainable business model
funusernameguy@reddit
I always feel like the dairy industry is fk’d up when you break down how you keep cows producing milk. I feel like in the future we will seek alternatives
Teamwoolf@reddit
Eating meat, drinking cows milk. Weird and gross.
fnord_y2k@reddit
I would say absolute greed and corruption in all our institutions, I do not understand why it is tolerated or why nothing is ever done about it. I am hoping that future generations have a broader scope and less selfish ego based mentalities. Currently the idea that empathy and compassion are weaknesses is something I would expect and hope future people reject with revulsion and disgust.
SMTRodent@reddit
a) added sugar in anything but baked goods, jams and other foods that really need it for chemistry, rather than sweetness.
b) child labour.
Character_Athlete877@reddit
Transgender and non binary ideology
ResponsibilityRare10@reddit
Currently illegal recreational drugs will become more acceptable, and if I were to make a prediction, many will be replaced with synthetic analogues that will be government approved.
E.g. There’ll always be a demand for stimulants like cocaine, amphetamine, MDMA that enhance music and socialising, allowing people to stay up late without getting tired. Governments will eventually capitulate and allow some kind of substance, heavily regulated, to meet this need.
lee50_10@reddit
Crocs
OhWhatAPalava@reddit
Putting Quavers up your bum
Car-Nivore@reddit
I can see this becoming unacceptable quicker than stuffing Cadbury cream eggs up your bum.
VariousPreference0@reddit
Are we for or against?
OhWhatAPalava@reddit
For, but maybe against in future
gothfather3@reddit
I prefer Lego
AdrianFish@reddit
Ohh, Neil
ZombieRhino@reddit
Don't knock it until you've tried it.
klc81@reddit
Jailing people for being mean on the internet.
Haunting-Bar-4549@reddit
everyone jailed made threats or encouraged acts of violence. zero people were jailed for being mean.
Anony_mouse202@reddit
No, arresting people for mean tweets actually is a thing because of the draconian communications act.
Under the communications act, sending anything over the internet that is “grossly offensive” or “obscene” is a criminal offence. People get sent to prison for sending memes in private group chats.
VOODOO285@reddit
No... no they did not.
KeyLog256@reddit
I agree. Let's give these people examples which can easily be found online. We can even post sources direct from courts and not mainstream media that might distort it.
Here's some links I found....
Oh....wait...
klc81@reddit
You've never read the communications act, have you?
gothfather3@reddit
One can hope, but not hopeful for free speech sadly
Major_Bee4483@reddit
Selling your kids out online for content
lavenderacid@reddit
I saw a video of a little girl running towards her friends the other day. They all started shouting a different name and ran past her. Wildly embarrassing moment that I'm sure has happened to most of us, the sort of thing you remember years down the line and still cringe.
Unfortunately for this kid, her mother had filmed the entire interaction, then zoomed in on her face and was asking about if she was embarrassed, how she felt, and did she really think those were her friends? Uploaded to Instagram with hundreds of thousands of likes. Imagine all those embarrassing, cringe moments from when you were a child being immortalised forever and flogged to anyone online to look at for free.
sole_food_kitchen@reddit
Microplastics
Colleen987@reddit
Disposable nappies. I think people do still use these but from my mothers group none of use do at all and I was surprised at the total rejection of them across loads of different types of couples.
Conscious_Analysis98@reddit
Not advocating for it at all, in fact completely the opposite, but I could see future generations leaning more into things like relationships with AI, genetic modification, spending more time in VR worlds etc.
Nice to have would be society moving away from the 45+ work week when there won't be anywhere near enough jobs available for the population in 20 or so years.
With all the current debate around benefits, PIP, employment figures it just all seems more and more we should get rid of everything and just move towards a UBI system
CalendarOld7075@reddit
Sounds like a world i dont want any part of
Leipopo_Stonnett@reddit
I had the totally opposite reaction.
CalendarOld7075@reddit
Cool, dont need to downvote me for it though. Enjoy your ai relationship brother
Secure_Reflection409@reddit
Fake jobs.
SophieCalle@reddit
Unregulated media allowing hate speech and mass disinformation.
_a_m_s_m@reddit
Probably how much driving is currently done & it’s negatives are largely just seen as business as usual. e.g. pollution, road deaths & injuries, bad public transport, difficulties accessing opportunities without cars, noise etc. I suspect future generations may be more conscious.
electricpages@reddit
I hope, how horrific cancer treatment used to be. If we find a non invasive reliable treatment then we can look back at what we do now.
Spentworth@reddit
I think there's a good chance society will come back round on abortion. Maybe not every society and not forever, but whether society finds abortion morally justifiable seems very vibes based. What is a person and when do rights begin are questions which can only be answered by intuition, which varies subjectively between cultures and times.
Correct-Holiday-6972@reddit
Before all the downvotes, this is specifically for office jobs and not including health care professionals, skilled work, manual labour, vocational jobs, and such like. I know that surgeons, electricians, cleaners, and engineers cannot work from home. This is just about how dated the traditional office set-up has become.
I think future generations will refuse to work in an office 9-5, 5 days a week. There is already a huge shift to hybrid and flexible working, opening up opportunities all over the world, and there have already been successful studies which show an increase in productivity when people drop to a 4day week (dropping from 40hrs to 32) with no reduction in pay.
We have the technology, infrastructure, and undertook the largest study of this during covid. It would reduce traffic on the roads, improve mental health by offering a healthier work/life balance, reduce the need for excessively large office spaces opening up more land for housing, reduce the need for expensive wrap-around childcare, allow companies to have smaller hubs reducing business overheads. The list goes on and I think once the existing upper-generation retire (these seem to be the ones clinging on to the old model), there will be a big shift in the way we work. If it can be done remotely/hybrid then I think a lot of places will evolve and embrace this movement.
Cuddols@reddit
Maybe not eating meat but the production process and supply chain of a lot of meat - like end piglet thumping.
SnooBooks1701@reddit
Although not really entirely accepted by the public at large, but the prevalence of anti-vaxxers
DavidRellim@reddit
Folks, the damage we are doing to this earth.
They will hate us.
Savanarola79@reddit
Eh?
ShufflingToGlory@reddit
Eating meat. Hopefully the tech algorithms that are like genetically personalised heroin.
Skylon77@reddit
Ownership of individual cars.
Eating meat.
Adept_Thanks_6993@reddit
Religion isn't going away any time soon, if ever-but there will always be people reflecting on and criticizing what we believed and how we did it.
JayR_97@reddit
Social media being basically unregulated
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