Acura Integra Sales Are Down 28 Percent This Year So Far

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ChrisTosi@reddit

I didn't think it was a better ride and the brand new one I test drove had a loud whistling because the drivers side window wouldn't seal properly, so I couldn't tell you about it being quieter.

The seats are just dogshit in the ITS. They should have powered the Type R seats instead of repurposing Si seats.

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bazbloom@reddit

None of that adds up to an additional $8k MSRP. Not even close.

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teggyteggy@reddit (OP)

I understand not having a sunroof for rigidity purposes. But it has less features than the A-spec Tech. No memory seats, no sunroof, no rear seat vents, no passenger power seats, and at that price point it should also have ventilated seats. If they ever add it, it's definitely going to come with a price bump, like the TLX Type S.

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bazbloom@reddit

It's a bad look when the less expensive Golf R is comparatively loaded to the gills. How often do you get to say that about a VW product?

I can get a reasonably optioned M240i at around mid-$50k. It even has rear vents (actually a full control system with temp settings) for a mostly useless back seat. Go figure.

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tugtugtugtug4@reddit

The ITS exists because CTRs were selling for over MSRP for years and the US factories had manufacturing capacity so they wanted a way to tap into the excess demand without diluting the CTR brand. It was never going to be a good product. They did the bare minimum to change it over from a CTR.

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coyote_of_the_month@reddit

Sunroof is garbage if you ever intend to do any kind of motorsport with it. You'll want that headroom for your helmet.

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ChrisTosi@reddit

Type S has never been about motorsport, it's been about street sportiness.

Type R not having a sunroof makes total sense.

Type S not having a sunroof smells like cost cutting and laziness.

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bazbloom@reddit

Corporate bean counters went apeshit on the ITS and it shows.

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siggystabs@reddit

Mostly correct, except the ITS is a CTR in a different dress. Maybe they should have called it the ITR…

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coyote_of_the_month@reddit

All fair points.

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shloppin@reddit

What didn’t you like about the CVT?

It mimics a super close ratio 7 speed transmission that acts like a dual clutch. Felt great to drive. Plenty easy to stay in the powerband.

As someone who loves the VQ, I see it as a premium engine that Nissan wisely used across many models. It was a godsend, especially in the used market. The fact that Nissan chose to put the VQ35DD in the Pathfinder and the VQ38DD in the Frontier—paired with a ZF 9-speed—shows they’re embracing what made them great in the first place.

I don’t fully trust the longevity of the new VR or KR enough to consider them true successors. Infiniti, in particular, is in a strange spot—if the parent company itself can’t figure things out, how can you expect a strong lineup when there’s no truly reliable drivetrain like the G35 and G37 etc.?

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wtfthisisntreddit@reddit

Only the early Nissans and Infiniti's shared the same engine (VQ35DE) none of the Nissans aside from the Z got the VQ37HR or VHR. The later Nissans with VQ V6 were still VQ35DEs with updated head design and some got direct injection.

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xamdou@reddit

Actual crime when they had a DCT/TC hybrid transmission for the car it replaced

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JDai01@reddit

Mated to the K24 as well

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TFiPW@reddit

1: wasn't a coupe. I get that it's hard to make a business case now for a 2-dr FF coupe, but somehow the Prelude was green lit.

2: CVT. They had a perfectly good powertrain + transmission combo: the K24 + DCT from the discontinued ILX. Distinct enough to separate itself from the Si and other cookie cutter 1.5T/CVT Hondas, but not powerful enough to step on the toes of the CTR. Maybe a hybrid system a la CR-Z to give it extra oomph off the line.

3: Price. Target demographic cannot afford new cars costing well over 35k CAD. And for the price it does command, it offers nothing over the Civic aside from unique styling.

3a: A fully loaded Mazda3 AWD Turbo hatch does the job better, for less than $1,000 CAD more
3b: Everyone who wants one, wants the Type-S or ITR or will settle for the slightly cheaper Si or...
3c: Elantra N. Can be had for $40k CAD or you can buy a used Veloster N. They should have copied this exact formula because the EN and VN is the closest thing to a modern day 90s/00s sport compact formula (cheap and quick)

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IsaacM42@reddit

since the hybrid now beats the Si in

by what metric, just 0-60? cmon mate

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teggyteggy@reddit (OP)

I have a 26k base Mazda 3. It has an interior with nicer materials, it has all one touch windows, the switches and touchpoints just feel nicer, and it has a comparable powertrain with a real automatic transmission and a reliable NA 2.5L 186hp/186ftlb. Newer models have 191hp.

With a 26k to a 40k vehicle comparison, you'd think it should be comparing a Nissan Sentra to a nicer vehicle. An A-to-B to much nicer vehicle, but it's not. The gap isn't as wide as you'd think, and that's my issue. The Integra should be much nicer. For 40k, you get so much more in a comparable Hyundai or even Toyota. Even a mid-trim Camry will get you rear seat vents.

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ManokBoto@reddit

There’s no compelling reason to buy this over the Civic Si

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StevoJ89@reddit

Like the new Nissa Z car, I legit forgot this car existed.

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GreenTree3@reddit

As a '23 6MT Integra owner there's really 3 compelling reasons to take the Integra over the Si for some folks:

Liftgate/sportback Integra vs standard trunk compartment in the Si
Leather & microsuede seats vs cloth/pseudo race bucket seats
Despite the interiors being very HONDA the Acura interior material quality actually feels more upscale (e.g. actual metal venting vs plastic in the Si).

I specifically bought the Integra for the 6MT and appreciate that it doesn't share the same design methodology as the rest of the Acura lineup. I like the Honda in a tux approach.

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Tony-cums@reddit

And you think that’s worth an extra 9k? You didn’t even cite the ELS system.

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jondes99@reddit

It’s not really $9K, and the real difference is probably much smaller than it appears because Acura dealers are discounting to sell them and Honda dealers are asking MSRP or better.

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Tony-cums@reddit

Got my si for under msrp last week. I guess it’s personal preference at that point.

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jondes99@reddit

Oh, you’re the guy. I’ve been struggling to find a 2025 near me. I have 9 dealers within 50 miles and nothing.

Like I said, I owned one. I get that.

Well if you get it, then you do see a reason to own one over the Elantra N.

Don't buy it. Ain't worth it.

Oh believe me, I have no interest in buying one. I don’t like any Si past the 8th gen. The 9th was uglier than my 8th. Same with the 10th, but even worse with a low redline turbo 1.5L. The 11th looks great on the outside (and the inside for the most part), but it still has the same “problem” as the 10th…the powertrain. Honda lost the plot with the Si, but they have to stick with the times I guess.

I’ll glad take awd and leave my wife’s boyfriend at home.

+200lbs -200lbs

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AwesomeBantha@reddit

Lexus is probably one of the closest competitors to Acura and they’ve been making hybrids since the mid-2000s that sell pretty well. Why hasn’t Acura done the same?

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tugtugtugtug4@reddit

Lexus and Acura actually don't really compete for customers. Lexus tries to be a Japanese version of Cadillac. Acura tries to be a Japanese version of Pontiac.

add Mercedes and BMW to that list… everyone is making hybrids

I think something like 99% of Lexus sales in Europe were for hybrids; I know that Acura is pretty much a North America exclusive, it’ll certainly stay that way as long as they don’t offer hybrids

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V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit

Acura is North America exclusive, as it’s no longer to export their cars to most world.

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AwesomeBantha@reddit

technically not a North American exclusive since they have an official presence in Kuwait

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mdp300@reddit

Honda in general seems way behind on the EV front. The ones they do have are made by GM!

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h2_dc2@reddit

I know of no one who wants a hybrid Acura. Acura is a sports luxury brand centered around performance. If you want a Hybrid buy a Lexus.

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guy_incognito784@reddit

I laughed. It just feels like someone threw an Acura logo on a Civic

That's, more or less, what the Integra always was. Hell, in the 90s if you popped the hood, they didn't even bother swapping out the Honda logos with Acura.

I feel like the RSX/TSX did a better job differentiating itself than this current iteration.

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hi_im_bored13@reddit

It’s okay they established the value proposition vs the civic by … taking out the adaptive suspension from the previous gen si and deleting the heated seats & niceties from the canadian release (until the recent refresh)

overall size is more useful

10th gen is only an inch shorter, does it really make that much of a difference?

I could never replace my 10th gen Si with an 11th gen Si. The lanewatch passenger mirror, heated seats, fog lights, and adaptive dampers are not worth losing to gain rev match assistance and a bunch of driving nannies.

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simeddit@reddit

I never found the blind spot wing mirror cam useful, just neat for the first few days of ownership. Fog light kits are $100. The adaptive dampers were nice, but hardly game changing, and I’ve owned cars with more impressive adaptive dampers.

The rev match is a genuine comfort boon for daily commutes. The improved suspension kit and shifter feel are also appreciated in every situation.

Good thing driver nannies can be shut off too.

But having infinitely better interior materials and design are totally worth it.

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SecondVariety@reddit

I've got two young kids and often have their stuff, backpacks, coats, bags in the front passenger seat. Sometimes I cannot see the passenger side mirror, in those moments the lane watch camera is super useful. Otherwise the main use for it is preventing my passenger from messing with the audio. That button on the stalk is convenient as hell. Honda's mistake was setting the default behavior to turn on with the turn signal. Once that's disabled it's livable.

I've had modded cars in the past and added fog lights from good brands and from not so good brands. A blanket statement of "fog light kids are $100" is fairly misleading. Had Hella FF1000 on my 2002 WRX which were not playing well with the stock wiring. The stock ones took a rock and were going to be over 300 to replace at the time. So it seemed smarter to upgrade to something better. Kept popping fuses. Needed to wire them off a relay with a dedicated switch to stop popping fuses. Also needed to buy adapter plates to get the fog lights to mount up. Was a considerable amount of time and money involved. Having the oem driving lights is preferable.

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joeislandstranded@reddit

The new Civics are so much better looking to my eye. Glad to hear that it’s more than just skin deep!

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ischmoozeandsell@reddit

I miss the days when a car could be effectively the same for decades. These days styling is so out there that cars start looking gimmicky in 5 years and need a major restyle. It's even more so the case now because you can get all the tech of a mid level luxury car like a c300 or 5 series in an Altima.

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teggyteggy@reddit (OP)

It’s okay they established the value proposition vs the civic by … taking out the adaptive suspension from the previous gen si and deleting the heated seats & niceties from the canadian release (until the recent refresh)

I cannot shout this from the top of my lungs enough. I watched in real time how consumers forgot that they used to receive heated seats and adaptive dampers in the 26k Civic Si back in 2020, and now people will tell you they purchased a 38k Acura Integra for the same features that's probably the exact same.

The numbers don't work out even with inflation.

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hi_im_bored13@reddit

And you'll see folks justifying it saying the generation is enough of an improvement, I've driven both and I wholeheartedly disagree, especially with the 1.5t + 6mt not really being all that special of a drivetrain, it has a few slight issues with reliability & has crazy rev hang.

I think the current base civics, hybrid hatches, etc. are all fantastic cars. I love the new type-r, I owned one and it was head & shoulders better than the previous gen both as a daily and on track. I think the type-s, even if it looks and feels like a bit of a hack job, is a solid product especially when you can find them for under MSRP closer to the type-r retail.

I just can't see the justification for the current Si & Integra, at least pre-refresh. Clearly I wasn't alone, otherwise honda wouldn't have added back some features in the Si refresh and maybe integra models would sell a bit better lol. Sure, the adaptive suspension wasn't as good as the germans or magneride. I don't care about losing fog lights or dual zone climate etc., even heated seats, not that big of a deal. Yes the 11th gen has much improved mechanical grip, zero wheel hop, shifter feels excellent, one of the best ive felt in any car full stop.

But a new generation IMO should be better in every single way and they've done two steps forward and one step back. And I'm not a spec sheet racer or anything, I love driving slow cars fast, I cherish my s2k, I've owned my fair share of slow cars over the years, and even I feel 7s to 60 for a sports-injected sedan is a bit much.

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teggyteggy@reddit (OP)

And you'll see folks justifying it saying the generation is enough of an improvement

I really hate this, you're right. I also find it difficult to justify the Integra. I'd only buy one used in its current form, but even then I have no reason to get a new vehicle now. I really want a hybrid version with some common complaints addressed like in any mid-model refresh

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That's because it's just the Civic Type R. I wish it differentiated itself by offering an auto-option or adding real premium features, at least all the features from the A-spec Tech models.

Unfortunately, it just feels like a Civic Type R with better speakers, worse seats (although heated), with the dampening module. No memory seats, not even rear seat vents on the 52k vehicle.

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pgh_duddy@reddit

The Bose in my Type R sounds pretty decent.

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ChrisTosi@reddit

I test drove a Type S and Type R back to back - the Type S had the HUD going for it. Other than that, the seats felt worse and the interior felt comparable, not nicer.

Type S is "nicer" because Acura says so, not because it actually is. Used prices paint the same picture - Type S is basically like 1k higher than same year Type R on the used market, not 10k.

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pgh_duddy@reddit

The Type R seats are the most comfortable seat I’ve been in. Although I wish mine were electric.

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leedle1234@reddit

The other major difference is the type R is actually made in Japan, while all the Integras including the type S are made in the US. People don't like to hear it but that is a major factor, US made is not a positive selling point for the Integra.

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tugtugtugtug4@reddit

The biggest reason to buy the CTR over the ITS is that the Civic is made in Japan (although the engines are still made here in the US). Honda/Acura's domestic manufacturing is horrific from a quality point of view.

pgh_duddy@reddit

And that is why I ended up with a Type R.

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Hot_Improvement9221@reddit

I just can’t stand the sound the WRX makes.

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ChestOk2429@reddit

“Car Salesman NPC” beta software

lmao perfect take

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DualPPCKodiak@reddit

Lmao. Incredible. I'm cross shopping the elantra n and civic si. Can't wait for the funny dealer stuff.

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bobbabouie91@reddit

Meh, the CVT is fine and is not even on my radar as far as complaints about the car go. Although I went into it knew I was buying a dolled up civic and was unperturbed about the CVT stigma. I can’t say I would’ve paid the premium over the civic for it, at the time I purchased mine in 2022 I bought it at MSRP from a dealership a few hours away for the same price local dealers were asking for a civic sport, if you could even find one. I’m obviously biased but I think it’s a very handsome car compared to a lot of competitors, although the same could be said about the civic.

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teggyteggy@reddit (OP)

I can’t say I would’ve paid the premium over the civic for it, but at the time I purchased mine in 2022 I bought it at MSRP from a dealership a few hours away for the same price local dealers were asking for a civic sport, if you could even find one

I didn't downvote you, but here's the issue. Yes, many people purchased it because it was better than paying mark-up on an equivalent, but that's not exactly a great look for the value proposition of the vehicle as a whole

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teggyteggy@reddit (OP)

The entire vehicle is so close to what I wanted as well. Sportier and rarer than the Civic. Plenty of interior space. Still compact and nimble enough to park easily. Good handling and fun.

And then they went and put the CVT in it and the awful 1.5t engine.

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WeeniePops@reddit

Also probably due to the fact that it's not even close to the original idea of the car. The original Integra was one of the best handling FWD cars of all time. Not mention it was a small coupe that was light weight and pretty bare bones with an emphasis on performance. This car is basically just an ugly, badged up Civic. I hoped it died the day it was unveiled tbh.

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Straight6er@reddit

the Acura Integra was never a value purchase to begin with, differing so little from the interior of a the normal Civic

crazyjatt@reddit

But now? Who the fuck can afford that car that is actually in the target demographic for it?

Did it?

The market for 2 doors is so small that making it a 5 door probably gave it a much larger addressable audience

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Drzhivago138@reddit

I doubt it hurt it that much, given the low market for 2-door vehicles.

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maduste@reddit

Exactly why I considered the ITS.

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jawnlerdoe@reddit

Acura integra manual makes sense as a civic SI with a hatch and less NVH, but highly debatable it’s worth the extra price.

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roman_maverik@reddit

So Acura went down this road before with the original ILX 2.4, which was the Acura version of the 9th Gen Civic Si.

Like the Si, it was also available exclusively with a manual transmission.

It was an absolutely great car in a vacuum, but the reality was that so many people thought of it as “just a civic” so it sold horribly and they discontinued it after just two years.

Keep in mind the ILX had a totally different interior and exterior - unlike the modern Integra which shares the same interior - yet people still complained.

Whether or not it’s justified, Acura will never shake the civic comparisons.

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jawnlerdoe@reddit

Never knew this. I might look into them!

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WOW_SUCH_KARMA@reddit

I absolutely love mine. They're very hard to find in the 6-speed manual, and I lucked out. They are infinitely better than the comparable Civic Si.

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jawnlerdoe@reddit

That’s really good to know. I’ve always been interested in the 9th gen SI for the k24, this sounds like An amazing option!

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roman_maverik@reddit

They are great cars but very rare. Less than 4% of the entire production run.

When most people think of the ILX, they think of the 2016-2022 version, which also coincidentally had a 2.4 liter engine but was entirely unrelated to the beloved k24z7 engine found in the ILX 2.4 or Si.

The later ones are decent, but nowhere near the 2013-2015 versions. With a few modifications (swapping the factory differential and sway bars from a 2014-2015 Si) and they are everything the new Integra should have been if they released it during those years.

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Successful_Ad_9707@reddit

Sadly the ILX was only available with a stick for the first couple of years of production. Even then it was only an option. Automatic was the standard offering.

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roman_maverik@reddit

The ILX 2.4 was a distinct model that was only available 2013-2015.

Not to be confused with the first gen base ILX or the 2nd gen ILX, which both used a different engine.

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durrtyurr@reddit

I think that they're actually around the same price IRL, between civic si markups and discounts on the integra. A cursory search on the old auto tempest tells me that there is a roughly $1000 delta between a Civic Si and an mt Integra, for used 2024 models. There were no new models of either for sale within 300 miles of me which includes all of metro Portland, and all of metro Seattle.

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DualPPCKodiak@reddit

31k for civic si here. 39k for the Aspec with manual and cvt lmao. 35k for manual elantra N here for scale. I know what's off my list.

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handymanshandle@reddit

This is what took me out of seriously considering a Civic Si or an Integra A-Spec when I was car shopping last year. The Si is pretty damn barren for $31k and the Integra just doesn’t offer enough for me to justify a $8000 price jump barring a nicer sound system and heated seats. Even a Jetta GLI justified its price tag better to me.

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Car seats will fit no problem. It's an incredibly fun car, although a 5 min commute might not even be enough time to get the car up to temp to wring it out.

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DualPPCKodiak@reddit

No, it's typically not unless it's at least the high 60s outside. On the way home, I can let it idle. That's typically when I hoon anyway.

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wrx808x@reddit

In Hawaii, the dealers are selling the new Si’s for 36k. That’s crazy!

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DualPPCKodiak@reddit

Honestly, it's not horrible for Hawaii, I think. I think they're assembled in Alabama(?).

I brought my TLX in for a recall and they put me in one while they were working on it.

Right? It’s just an economy car, no styling or driving dynamics carried over, just the name. What a waste.

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RangeRoverHSE@reddit

Make the sports car version $55k and not faster,

Let's see, if I had $35k for an "all weather" fun car. With a manual transmission that I'm buying new in 2025

Mazda 3 premium Subaru WRX Hyundai Elantra N VW GLI Honda Civic Si

All offer better performance. Less expensive. This is the regular Integra and A spec. As for A spec technology, one could option all of the competition accordingly and they offer better performance.

As for the Integra Type S. It's just a Civic Type R that costs $10k more, and in a whole other "performance" price point.

Context. I'm from Gen X. Was over the moon when I heard the Integra was coming back. Unfortunately, this isn't my late 1990s Integra GSR and Type R

Back then, Honda wouldn't dare try such shenanigans. The Integra, slid nicely between the Civic and Prelude

Another reason sales are down. Interest rates. Borrowing that much money, is expensive in today's lending environment, meaning value is more scrutinized.

Trying to sell a non AWD car in my state is just asking to lose sales.

Like unless it's a literal sports car no one is going to choose a fwd car over awd.

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Kind of sucks in Europe though because it's more expensive and less practical than the Superb. I can't even remember the last time I saw an Outback driving around lol.

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FrenchFriedMushroom@reddit

They offer a manual but not a 2 door to compete with the brz et al.

I had 4 integras as a teen/young adult, if I'm gonna buy a new one, it better have some sort of nostalgia in it.

4 door cvt? Nah

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mettaxa@reddit

Exactly. I think if they took the risk and made the integra a 2 door it would of sold better and generated way more buzz. It's crazy that there isn't a single 2 door manual FWD coupe available.

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The WRX is also significantly more performance oriented than the manual base integra.

You will absolutely notice the acceleration and speed difference.

The Integra manual is well into the 7 second range 0-60. The WRX is in the upper 5 second range 0-60.

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Montreal4life@reddit

all i wanted was a stick shift commutter... for me the integra was much better looking, MUCH better interior, and was a hatchback... but too much price, the wrx felt like a bargain in comparison. if the prices were equal I would have probably gotten the integra. Also, in canada the interest rates were ridiculous for acura, not competitive at all.

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Conscious-Lobster60@reddit

I don’t think any of those stack up well against some beater Model 3/Polestar/Ioniq acquired from Hertz with some budget for stickier tires for around $20,000-$24,000.

I don’t understand buying this thing with the cvt. You buy this because it has a great manual, and there is almost nothing else out there that’s sporty with 4 doors that isn’t expensive. I wish it had a couple more bells/whistles, but it’s not a bad package at all.

I think young people that would normally gravitate to this model don’t/can’t drive a manual. And it’s not fun enough with the CVT.

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N0M0REG00DNAMES@reddit

Just watched them run lines of them in hot laps at the LB GP press day, and I’ve gotta say that that understeer hurt to watch

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_ToMiGoi@reddit

i'm just mad that honda finally got their styling right with the 11th gen, and they had to nerf the fuck out of the civic just to sell the integra