The U.S. Will Need 9.3 Million Home Healthcare Workers. Without Immigrants, Who’s Going To Care For Our Aging Parents?

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anti-censorshipX@reddit

AMERICANS. . . IF you PAY them a living wage.

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jedrider@reddit

I was planning to move to a third world nation when it came time for senior care. Maybe I can just stay where I am, though.

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It's funny how this has been the remedy to a shortage of aides, immigration. There is a shortage currently because the pay is shit compared to the workload. Biden tried to pass a staff requirement for nurses/CNA's and places started sueing. I expect a collapse of nursing homes.

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FunkyFreshhhhh@reddit

14-16$ an hour Solo lifting / rolling / cleaning 200-300lbs of dead weight x30 patients x12 hours

Combined with whatever abuse that’s yelled at you from the patients Then there’s the family members…

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generic-affliction@reddit

You can make more than that as a laborer for a residential moving company , if you wanted to lift and get paid

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FunkyFreshhhhh@reddit

10 years too late unfortunately Worked as a full-time rotating (day/night) CNA since 2013

Hard to break free from a job that barely pays the bills but also leaves you useless on your free time

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curiouslyendearing@reddit

Dude, you're only making 14 an hour. Just quit and start again, you can find another entry level job that pays that in a week.

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Noogs015@reddit

idk who is only making $14 an hour as a CNA. I make $22 an hour.

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KarlMarxButVegan@reddit

This is great advice. Switching employers is the fastest way to get higher pay.

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ammybb@reddit

Yeah literally just get a service industry job, stat.

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gobeklitepewasamall@reddit

I never thought I’d say something’s worse than ift bls but this is.. For reference ift pays $15.50 for bls by me.

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zombie_overlord@reddit

My mom cheated out on grandma's home care. She would only pay $10/hr so we got a nurse with a method habit and shit went missing a lot.

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LowFloor5208@reddit

I worked in a nursing home in college and was physically assaulted by patients 🙃 they had advanced dementia so nothing could be done. Some get very violent when scared or confused.

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Hipstergranny@reddit

Don’t forget the LPS conserved/gravely disabled folks who throw colostomy bags and the like.

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LowFloor5208@reddit

I nearly forgot about a patient throwing a urinal at me. Great times. My job is tedious at times but at least it doesn't deal with bodily fluids.

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apwiseman@reddit

Yeah, one of my old roommates was a CNA. He was involved in an accident with a patient slipping and hitting his head and tragically dying. The home covered it up and labelled it as a patient falling himself without anybody present. I also heard stories from him of not giving medicine to difficult patients was often overlooked. Scary stuff, I don't want to die in one of those places.

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Ragnarok314159@reddit

What is horrific to me is how these places charge thousands a day and provide next to zero care.

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Ghostwoods@reddit

"Now, Sheriff Fatman started out in business as a granny farmer."

Long and storied tradition, charging a fortune for elder abuse.

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tacticalnene@reddit

The inhumanity of humanity.

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justwalkingalonghere@reddit

Yeah, in my hometown it was more like $10-16 an hour, and there was a gigantic problem with theft of meds where the employees would replace them with placebos or nothing and sell the real drugs on the street to make ends meat

I can only imagine it has gotten worse as inflation and other financial pressures have only risen while wages have stagnated

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Decent-Box-1859@reddit

This. I wouldn't trust an underpaid employee with grandma's care.

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AIbotman2000@reddit

Makes you wonder who is making money? When my grandma went in it was $6k/m for her level of care. She was to move to a higher level of care at $12k/m before she passed.

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wanderingmanimal@reddit

Oh don’t forget - the training is provided! So cool /s

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a_little_hazel_nuts@reddit

Yep and you need to be able to do that every 2 hours for each patient. They do not hire enough workers for the amount if work and these people have scheduled showers and meals that are also done by the nurses aides.

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Myjunkisonfire@reddit

Funny how there’s never a shortage of people willing to work on an oil or gas field. Oh yeah, money fixes that…

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OneTimeIDidThatOnce@reddit

If ENSHITIFICATION isn't in the dictionaries it's because the billionaires bought them too.

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hairy_ass_truman@reddit

Elonification

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JonathanApple@reddit

I think that is what he tried with his doink

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fitbootyqueenfan2017@reddit

cliffs/waterfalls would help /s

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lunchbox_tragedy@reddit

Immigrants underpin all sorts of poorly paid areas in the economy. I see it in the nursing assistants in health care, the rideshare drivers to the airport, the food delivery drivers, the $25/month doorside trash pickup I can't opt out of in my apartment complex. So many industries are subsidized by cheap immigrant labor.

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Critical_Walk@reddit

No one. The old will be left helpless to die 💀. This is the TRUMP effect.

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Static66@reddit

Don’t worry, Florida is piloting the “lets Make the kids work all night without breaks or sane labor protections” program to replace them. No really, look it up..

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GeoCommie@reddit

It’s the children of said parents. I’m pretty sure boomers are just crashing the economy and tearing down society so that young people can’t possibly be self sustaining and are forced to live in their basements and clean their houses and shit while they age. I fucking hate America, I fucking hate trump, I hate it here

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nicenyeezy@reddit

This is why science fiction tends to handle the elderly and infirm with a less empathetic and enabling approach. I’m most futuristic societies, people are not allowed to live past a certain age, otherwise they become too much of a drain on society. In Logan’s run it’s 30, which is hilarious and way too young. However, I could envision something like this becoming normalized in our lifetimes, perhaps at 80

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BadgerKomodo@reddit

I looked it up on Wikipedia and apparently it’s 21.

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nicenyeezy@reddit

I was referring to the movie, but you’re right that it was even younger in the book. There’s a new movie that just came out called “can I get a witness” with a similar concept, except it’s 50

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GeoCommie@reddit

It will but I think it will always be an unspoken rule so as to preserve plausible deniability for the our government. It will be through legislation, things like “policy holders must not be at an age equal to 70-10 years of age or greater than 50+10 years of age”

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MrTrollMcTrollface@reddit

In futurama its 160 years!

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SlyScy@reddit

Bold of them to assume we won't just wall them up in said basements when we've had enough of their shit.

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GeoCommie@reddit

Yeah I almost threw a pot of freshly made coffee against the wall this morning. I have such a short temper that really doesn’t help, but I have no patience for their generation anymore. They FUCKKKINNG CONSTANTLY talk about how hard they had it coming up and refuse to recognize the part they played in making life so ungodly difficult nowadays. It drives me to such a boiling point that I would legit swing at my dad or uncle if they try to disrespect my work ethic or political views or career choices ever again. I don’t care anymore, gramps will get a black eye

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No-Team-9198@reddit

i just take the piss and mock them as it's quite easy.

they walked to school uphill both ways!

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Marmom_of_Marman@reddit

That’s pretty much how they raised me…

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TheOldPug@reddit

I'll be repeating back what they told me: 'I guess you'll have to get a second job.'

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johnthomaslumsden@reddit

For the love of god, Montresor!

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SlyScy@reddit

Yes, for the love of God.

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Mostest_Importantest@reddit

That flavor of Amontillado is so divine.

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sunshine-x@reddit

Boomers are like 75. Their kids are 50. Their grandkids are 20, and might have kids themselves.

Are you 50? Do you consider yourself young?

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GeoCommie@reddit

You’re wrong my dad is in his late 60’s and I just turned 27. I also definitely don’t have kids what 20 year olds do you know with children jfc.

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anthrolooker@reddit

Very bold assumption of them. They will be left behind and it’s not going to be remotely pleasant for them.

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freesoloc2c@reddit

It almost sounds like y'all are fine with slave labor as long as it isn't an American.

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PrimalSaturn@reddit

More reason for robotics in the workforce to get more funding and normalised I guess

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ManticoreMonday@reddit

Food scarcity, unvaccinated strains of illnesses, increased narcotics/alcohol abuse, face-eating leopards...

Oh WHO... I thought you said "what"

M'bad.

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dANNN738@reddit

The thing that infuriates me is that immigration is such a short term solution. The problem persists. Elevate parent status, tax breaks etc.

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contrarycucumber@reddit

Colorado had it right, approving programs to pay family for looking after their elderly relatives. Of course this doesnt fix the whole problem but it does reduce the burden. My parents' state, on the other hand, refused to instate the program. And of course it's a red state.

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NyriasNeo@reddit

Robots, obviously. How many companies are working on robots now?

In fact, if you think we are in bad shape, look at Japan. And that is why they pushed robots a lot earlier than we do.

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Taokan@reddit

As sweet as it is to imagine human-like robots taking care of old people, I suspect it's going to look a lot more like the Matrix: old people in a sort of "care pod" that's able to clean and ambulate them efficiently, while providing some kind of constant mental stimuli. Especially if progress is made towards any kind of direct memory interface, where they could just "watch TV" or "play video games" or "listen to music" through direct mental stimulation. AI and automation will play a huge role in that, but there's absolutely no need to create a walking robot man to perform most of those duties.

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AkaelaiRez@reddit

Automation helps some personal care tasks. It's easy to forget that we have the ability to turn on and off your ceiling lights with a voice command or browse the internet via an Alexa now, and that's an improvement.

But actually physically moving those with advanced disability? Miles away.

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Big_Brilliant_3343@reddit

Robots for the rich, boot straps for the poor ;)

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JonathanApple@reddit

Hmmm robotic boot straps, , my idea people

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shinkouhyou@reddit

Even in Japan, elder care robots have turned out to be a bust. Very few nursing homes use them because they have limited functionality, they can't operate independently, and they end up creating more work for human staff. Even the most advanced Boston Dynamics robots available right now wouldn't be able to handle most nursing home tasks, and they'd fare even worse in a cramped home care environment. Despite some initial resistance, Japan has greatly expanded visa programs for care workers over the past decade.

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SlyScy@reddit

HELPER BOT FLUFFING PILLOW, BEEP-BOOP.

Helper Bot continues to smash the already ruined skull of the retiree who stopped screaming, and then gurgling through gore, quite a while ago

PILLOW FLUFFED. IS HELPER BOT NEEDED STILL?

Helper Bot awaits an answer from the freshly-fluffed corpse. None comes.

HELPER BOT GOES TO NEXT ROOM. HAVE A NICE DAY.

The blood begins to drip onto the floor as the sheets reach their absorption limit.

HELLO MRS. JAMESON, I AM HELPER BOT. WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR PILLOW FLUFFED?

Screams and crunching sounds begin from the next room.

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NyriasNeo@reddit

Probably still way better than risking abused by under-trained, minimum wage, human "care" giver.

Heck, self-driving cars are more than 10x safer than human drivers. https://fuelarc.com/news-and-features/insurer-study-waymo-is-12-5-times-safer-than-human-drivers/

It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear, and it absolutely will not stop... ever, until you take your medicine, eat a nutritious dinner, and go to bed!

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nevermore90038@reddit

Sounds like slavery.

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charlestontime@reddit

I believe Florida is dealing with this issue by loosening child labor laws.

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NoBee3283@reddit

Considering what MAGA is doing to social security it won't be a problem. They'll starve before long anyway.

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ejpusa@reddit

NO ONE WILL TAKE THOSE JOBs. Or almost no one. They are immigrants only. Raise the salaries to $100 an hour, friend was on the floor for 3 minutes, she passed out. The screams to her. No matter what the salary was. She will never go back.

Source: Years interviewing nurising home patients.

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AccurateUse6147@reddit

Who? Here's a crazy idea. HOW ABOUT LEGALS BEING PAID PROPERLY????? Why is Jeff bezos making so much he could go to space in a Wang shaped rocket yet people that are bringing something of VALUE to society are getting screwed over?

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Doodlemapseatsnacks@reddit

Boomers don't deserve longer lives. They brought this whole collapse on us. They should exit while we still have sympathy and food in our bellies.

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Cultural-Answer-321@reddit

LOL, this will be YOU eventually.

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Doodlemapseatsnacks@reddit

Nah, I'm sure I'll die in the food riots.

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Cultural-Answer-321@reddit

I know the feeling.

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andymorphic@reddit

if they cant work they are useless.

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gonCrazy13@reddit

OP would defend slavery during 1800s

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uddane@reddit

With home prices being out of most peoples range, the return of the multi-generational home will return. So basically the kids and grandkids will end up taking care of their parents.

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awkward_kissser@reddit

answer- people (immigrants or felons, the willing and desperate) will be paid under the table for it while family members claim guardianship lol. that's how it was for me. being an on-call home nurse was terrible.
and if you think you can take such a job because you're a nice person- think again

even in the best circumstance, your job depends on people being unable to take care of themselves and that care is very taxing.
it is hard to shed the weight that it brings on a person if they are compassionate because no matter how much you try, the person you care for is dying and getting worse. this job requires a very empathetic personality, but unless you have a good way to deal with the stress; such a job hardens your heart and/or breaks it

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cstephns1@reddit

Morons

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96385@reddit

We are. Their children will end up as their primary caretakers because there is no one else.

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NoseRepresentative@reddit (OP)

The United States is barreling toward a home healthcare crisis. Over the next decade, the country will need to fill 9.3 million job openings in the direct care sector. That includes home health aides, nursing assistants, and personal care aides — the people who help our elderly parents and grandparents get dressed, eat, bathe, and stay safe at home.

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Apprehensive-Log8333@reddit

Well, if Medicare is destroyed, we won't be able to pay 60% of the 9.3 million home healthcare workers, so...I'm not sure what happens. Gen X and Millennials can't afford to pay for care for their aging parents and grandparents, and they all have to work and raise their kids, so they can't do it themselves, plus a bunch of people are no contact with their abusive boomer parents, so I guess there will just be millions of homeless elderly people, wandering the streets.

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TheOldPug@reddit

We can tell them to get off our lawns!

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ZenApe@reddit

Here comes the euthanasia pods.

Finally.

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PenaltyFine3439@reddit

People should have a right to die painlessly and with dignity.

If I get to point where I'm either draining my bank account for sub-par care or can't take care of myself, I'd rather not traumatize anyone with red mist on my walls.

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ZenApe@reddit

I'm. Hoping to take one last ride out to sea in my little boat before I use my Smith and Wesson retirement plan.

Let the sharks do the cleanup.

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Havoc_Unlimited@reddit

Well said

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terrierhead@reddit

I have a painful, chronic condition and call dibs! I want to go with dignity, when I decide the time is right. Dementia runs in my family and I would rather check out than go through that.

No need to contact Reddit cares or whatever it’s called. I want dibs for getting a ticket to be used at a later time.

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anthrolooker@reddit

Different health issues, but I’m with you. When every day is absolute suffering and without any solution. And no hope for any level of safety or security, I’d like the option to just put an end to it. I’ve been there for 20 years, after 20 years of increasing suffering that nothing helps.

You don’t get a choice in being born. Ultimately, it should and is your choice to end your own life. It’s not something for most, because most have better years, but fuck, let those who don’t have the option to dip out. I can’t do it anymore.

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AkaelaiRez@reddit

I work in the medically assisted dying industry.

No, it isn't.

24 hours outside will do the job cheaper, and with less liability. We all know that here. The entire industry exists just to have that liability assigned in ways that are convenient and legally defensible.

You give conservatives far, far too much credit if you think they won't just pay morticians' assistants to clean the bodies from the sidewalks.

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scipkcidemmp@reddit

I call dibs on going first

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Defcrazybutwhatabout@reddit

Way too humane. Those will be outlawed.

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getoffurhihorse@reddit

I saw an ad for an overnight aid. $11 an hour.

So, Im up all night, completely caring for someone who is old, disabled, dementia, who knows, and you are going to give me $11 an hour and no benefits. Sign me up. 🙄

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ssquirt1@reddit

God damn…I made $11/hr as a mortgage loan processor almost 30 years ago. And I had no experience when I was hired.

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Rabidennui@reddit

Assuming any of us even live long enough to need senior healthcare.

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Humanist_2020@reddit

No one. Without medicare and ss they will die. And no one cares.

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123ihavetogoweeeeee@reddit

No one will care for them. That's the point. The plan is let the poor die.

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HeathenUlfhedinn@reddit

No one is saying that immigrants can't come to the U.S. The administration is just enforcing its laws and cracking down on illegal immigration - like every other sovereign nation does

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jawfish2@reddit

I managed my mother's 24/7 care at the end of her long life. Here's what I learned:

The bathroom issues are key drivers. Many elderly can get out of bed and walk, but they can't safely go to the bathroom and get back, especially at night. And as everyone knows, elderly need to go a lot, and they have common medical issues too.

The cost of 24/7 care is startling. I paid ladies under the table, because it was cheaper than getting official nurses and getting a small reimbursement from the long-term care insurance. The draw-down was about $15K a month at NC wages. In the South, it is Black people who do this work, though they do have farm workers from Mexico and Central America.

There came a moment when her doctor told her he wouldn't do any surgical procedures, or send her to the hospital, even broken bones. It was done gently and she was very old, but thats when hospice started.

Even when done in a loving way, with enough money available, this is hard stuff. Nearly everyone will have to confront it for their parents and later, themselves. I don't know that my mother would have accepted a robot, but cultural shifts may change the resistance. I'd prefer one, but they are not close to being ready yet.

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iamjustaguy@reddit

I don't know that my mother would have accepted a robot, but cultural shifts may change the resistance.

I wouldn't mind having a robot assistant. My only stipulation is that it has to work without an internet connection.

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jawfish2@reddit

Taking you seriously, another thing old age teaches you is that your modesty will not survive medical care. You will still not like it, but you will also be *somewhat* relieved of the burden to protect your dignity. Of course that also means you will realize nobody much cares what you do or look like.

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funny_bunny_mel@reddit

Family caregivers know. These people are not even remotely prepared for what’s coming with the best of support available - let alone with less than what we had when we did it. I owe my life and sanity to those aides who gave me a few minutes of respite here and there, and the good ones were already hard to come by.

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hunkyleepickle@reddit

If you can’t find anyone to do a job, then the job is shit, pays poorly, or both. There is no such thing as a labor shortage in a developed country of 350+ million, only a compensation shortage. Hence the use of immigrants.

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TheOldPug@reddit

Louder for the people in the back, my friend - I wish I could upvote this a hundred times. There is NO. SUCH. THING. as work Americans "won't do."

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Ghostwoods@reddit

One you destroy community and extended family, you need a constant influx of near-slaves to look after the old folk.

Now T* is throwing out the near-slaves, and we're going to find out exactly how unliveable daily life has become without them.

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MiltensFrisur@reddit

A gun

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RandomBoomer@reddit

That was my father's care of choice. He was 94 years old and still pretty spry, no major health issues, but he decided that the risk of that situation changing at any moment was just too great. Can't really say he was wrong.

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Insane-Muffin@reddit

I’m sorry to hear this. It was painless; of that I can assure you. I think I’m going to do the same.

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RandomBoomer@reddit

I'm okay with his decision (and it wasn't mine to make or to approve of, to be fair). My only worry was my mother, and she saw it as her husband being thoughtful of her, because if he had fallen ill, she was not strong enough to care for him.

And god bless him, he got it right. One sure shot.

I'm not as sanguine about guns, so I'll have to find another solution for myself. I have no intention of warehousing myself in a nursing home, assuming there are any left by the time I can't take care of myself. Trump/Musk are doing a good job wiping those out.

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MiltensFrisur@reddit

Sorry to hear that.

In the future it's not going to be optional. You work or you get shot.

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ragdollxkitn@reddit

I worked in a nursing home when I did PRN work. Yeah no, I’m not ever working in a facility that expects ONE nurse to care for 70 residents. Absurd.

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annewmoon@reddit

Eh what? I work as a care assistant in a nursing home. There are two or three of us for 8 residents and that feels low.

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ragdollxkitn@reddit

The state was Texas.

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annewmoon@reddit

Jeez. Well I’m in Sweden so I guess literally different universe

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IPA-Lagomorph@reddit

Women, probably. That's always the US's solution to people who need care.

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NanditoPapa@reddit

My grandparents and their friends voted Trump. They, along with 2/3 of Americans whether actively or passively voted for this outcome. So...fuck em. Americans deserve their future hellscape.

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MissMelines@reddit

A very smart man I worked for 15 years ago constantly talked about the fact that there was zero plan for the impact of baby boomers entering this stage of life by the millions in this decade. We were talking about product development and thus all of the opportunity that would exist in consumer packaged goods when this event came to pass.

Having had two BB parents who have been in poor health for at least a decade, one now bedridden and the other just barely surviving, I have dreaded this day as I knew the moment they could not live independently alone was the day our lives were forever changed. They don’t have the means to afford the true help they need, me and my siblings can only do so much, and everyone knows facilities are woefully inadequate at best in supporting elders with grace and dignity in their final years.

I have spent countless hours my entire adult life doing things that these people do, for my parents, and you truly don’t understand the emotional, mental, and physical toll it takes. It is absolutely criminal that these people are not well compensated for the work they do which requires one to have grit, fortitude, and a very large compassionate heart. I have sobbed and hugged more medical staff than you can imagine for all they’ve done for my parents during tragic hospital stays. They are a different breed of human and we don’t deserve them.

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Insane-Muffin@reddit

As a nurse, this truly choked me up.

And one day, it will be me, caring for my parents—because I cannot have them go to a home; I just can’t.

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MissMelines@reddit

That’s where we are at, we can’t fathom the idea either and have patched together a complex string of people and ways we are keeping them home. It’s consuming us.

The killer is my mom was a nurse too. 40 years she devoted her life to help others and in her “golden years” she’s completely abandoned by the system she loved being a part of. She is a polio survivor and now at 70 years old dealing with new complications of having had it, adding another layer of special needs she has which no facility would ever deal with properly.

Save a lot of money for your parents time and thank you for being a nurse ❤️

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Boring_Philosophy160@reddit

Answer: recently fired federal workers? /s

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Polyzero@reddit

Well certainly not the families they created, they already sold off granny for a chance to pay the rent. Hell things are so desperate here that everyone I know in this situation is waiting for their elders to die off so they can claim their loot/shit.

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Spuckler_Cletus@reddit

This is the neo-con take on wage suppression through replacement-level immigration. Bill Kristol thanks you for your support.

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MucilaginusCumberbun@reddit

I hate these dumb questions. Americans can do it but you have to pay them living wages.

The real question they are asking is how can they avoid paying a living wage

There is no worker shortage, only a living wage shortage.

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renegade1222@reddit

It means let them die and stop prolonging the life of the elderly. It's insane how much we intervene when their time has long since come.

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Apart-Landscape1468@reddit

it's fucked up that the elderly are guaranteed healthcare, but not children. each year, thousands of children are denied life-saving treatment because they are uninsured, but we do joint replacement surgeries routinely on people over 90, paid for by Medicare.

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ImaginePoop@reddit

Maybe start by paying proper wages to health care workers, you could also pay everyone else a decent wage as well.

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Flashy-Finance3096@reddit

Family members could

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dresden_k@reddit

Without kids, who's going to be here at all?

Depopulation from plummeting growth rates is a problem, too.

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NomadicScribe@reddit

We're approaching an era of conscripted/forced labor for certain jobs. People think I'm joking, but it's on its way. We've been here before, it can happen again.

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no-good-nik@reddit

Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?

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NomadicScribe@reddit

Yeah, I guess you can pre-emptively imprison people out of high school and then send them to work hospice care. In which case they wouldn't be prisoners anymore, but never mind. What are we imprisoning them for again? For the crime of being poor, maybe? Makes sense.

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AkaelaiRez@reddit

That person was referencing an old quote. A very poignant one.

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DaisyChainsandLaffs@reddit

Many states in the United States have filial responsibility laws , I would not be surprised if they were altered and/or expanded to include the entirety of the elderly and include forced labor

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RandomBoomer@reddit

It's fortunate for my children that I don't actually have any children, so said hypothetical children are spared having to take care of me in my dotage (which is just a few short years away).

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lowrads@reddit

Once the medication stops arriving, the reaper's calendar will be quite busy.

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HolleringCorgis@reddit

Boomers? The ones who jammed the gas all the way to the floor?

They might actually suffer some consequences before they die?

^^^^^oh ^^^^^no! ^^^^^say ^^^^^it ^^^^^ain't ^^^^^so!

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BattleTech70@reddit

You. And when Medicaid is gone, if you don’t do it, you’ll lose your house in states with filial laws.

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refusemouth@reddit

Old people? I think they just want to starve them to "fix" social security.

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disasterbot@reddit

When everyone loses their jobs because of Trump’s tariffs, it will be easy to find a caretaker you cannot afford.

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thepeasantlife@reddit

We are.

My parents' retirement plan was to work until they died. Except they got dementia. They had spent all their money and refinanced their house multiple times to go on cruises.

I cared for them and my child while working my remote job and tending my business.

Nearly killed me. My shoulders and back are trashed.

Even with immigrant workers, you're looking at $12-15K per MONTH for institutional memory care and $30K per month for full-time in home care. Who has that?

The good news is that with failing healthcare, we won't be able to afford those life saving measures that make us live another 10-15 years in pain and without our minds.

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PrestigiousCrab6345@reddit

Their kids. And people without kids will die in the gutter, like Poe.

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face4theRodeo@reddit

So now the care of old ass white people falls to immigrants, too? That headline is insane. As a society it is incumbent upon us to provide a high quality of life to all citizens from birth to death- that’s the mark of a highly functioning and successful society. Relying on foreign workers to be paid considerably less while also expected to live in the same society is beyond offensive to both the elderly and all care givers.

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Cultural-Answer-321@reddit

Now? LOL, it's been this way long before you or I were born.

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peaceloveandapostacy@reddit

Robots

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Cultural-Answer-321@reddit

Only for the rich.

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Contagious_Zombie@reddit

No one and their SSI will probably be cut off too because America is anti-human.

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Cultural-Answer-321@reddit

I had to scroll this far down for the right answer.

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thechairinfront@reddit

I did my time. I took care of my mom, my husband's grandma, and my dad. People are going to actually have to take care of their parents like they do in other countries. Multi generational households will have to be the norm.

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southpalito@reddit

Who said there’d be aging parents? The tech bros are bringing back eugenics…

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KingRBPII@reddit

No one - they will just die and blackrock hopes to eat their houses

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Trail-Dust@reddit

No one is anti-immigration, we’re anti-illegal immigration. There’s a big difference.

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CheerleaderOnDrugs@reddit

I am doing this now, and I see other Gen X people struggling like I am. We are too 'wealthy' for even respite care help.

(mostly daughters and daughters in law, but I am not the only son)

It sucks, because, at least where I grew up, society was not child focused as it became in the 90s. We faced benevolent neglect, and the phrase "In by 12 (am), and out by 21 (years old)" was accepted. If you didn't go to college, it was 18.

We were off our parents' insurance at 18. We were told to do what they did, which did not work nearly as well for middle year Xers. Bootstraps, you know.

Now, we are being expected to take care of the people who half assed our care. I do it because they (and I) do not have the money to spend on help, I've got to help my own kids.

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Any-Fig3591@reddit

Don’t worry we can loosen child labor laws and just have the kids take care of them /s

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NutellaElephant@reddit

They will be homeless, or hire addicts that will pretend to care for them, and they will get bare minimum baby sitters at best. The elderly with homes and friends will think they are caring for each other, my grandmother thought she was safe because a neighbor called her every day. All else fails there are their children, or grandchildren, if they have any.

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genescheesesthatplz@reddit

Minors!

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LongjumpingChipmunk@reddit

Don't worry, Elon is going to give us robots /s

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SweetMeatTreet@reddit

Looks like they are going to have to pay employees more somehow . If you put these jobs listings up at 23 dollars an hr instead of 16-17 an hr you will get flooded with applicants.

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Severe-Good-932@reddit

In Florida? 14 year olds

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JohnReiki@reddit

I just recently left a direct care job in a group home. Can confirm a huge chunk of my coworkers were immigrants.

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m19010101@reddit

We won’t make it 30 years so there’s that. Also, I wouldn’t want Gen Z taking care of my scibidi meds.

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South_Rhubarb2525@reddit

As a gen z, this comment was hilarious. I agree we won’t make it 30 years also at least not all 8 billion of us. can’t believe they still predict 10 billion people to roam the earth by 2030.

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Weeshi_Bunnyyy@reddit

Parents tell me all the time that their kids will take care if them. Shouldn't be a problem, except for people like me who was disowned by their parents. I wish them all good luck!

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MountFlora@reddit

Yup. This issue hit me square in the face in 2020 when my dad fell ill. Home health aides are severely underpaid, overworked and many of them are under trained as well. It’s a TOUGH job obviously. We have a huge elder care crisis boring down on us and with the funding cuts, freezes and cut to Medicaid many nursing homes will close. It’s going to be very very bad.

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metalvinny@reddit

May they rest in piss for what they've done.

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shitisrealspecific@reddit

They don't do those jobs already...

Pepito can't communicate with pop pop.

The fuck.

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ebolathrowawayy@reddit

idk, fuck em. It's everyone for themselves now. Fuck the oligarchy though.

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This_Entrance6629@reddit

Child slaves.

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internetALLTHETHINGS@reddit

"By 2060, the number of people aged 85 and over is expected to triple, hitting 19 million"

There are so many assumptions built into that about what the world still look like in 2060...

I love my children, and so if we actually manage to survive what's coming with world wars and climate in the next decade, I imagine I'll be taking a large dose of barbiturates some time around 2060.

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ChromaticStrike@reddit

In old Europe (actually might still be true to some extent for Eastern Europe) the family lived together, married or not.

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Do-you-see-it-now@reddit

And who is going to pay for it?

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roblewk@reddit

The Trump era will end. Even if not, once rich people cannot find care, they will allow people in.

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genericusername11101@reddit

For profit, private retirement facilities that are owned by trump loyalists. Work for decades at our corporate city states and you too can have an 8 x 8 room in our mega retirement home when you put in the requisite 30 years! 2 meals a day, 3rd extra! Suicide pod extra! All rights reserved. Subject to change.

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YeetusMcCool@reddit

Thank goodness my parents are dead lol

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JerichoOban@reddit

robots that’s who

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KernunQc7@reddit

Their children or nobody.

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Gingorthedestroyer@reddit

Someone is going to have to find some more bootstraps to pull. I see lots of multi generational homes in our future.

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Mildlyfaded@reddit

I don’t care ask trump

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Realistic_Young9008@reddit

The current administration is rabidly intent on dismantling social security, veterans affairs, Medicaid programs, raising costs on prescriptions, etc. They are actively attempting to euthanize the vulnerable in our society. If things continue to carry on, there won't be seniors needing care, and the ones left that do will be cared for in the homes of their daughters and daughters in law who were displaced from their jobs in favour of the new quiverful traditional family order.

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_Cromwell_@reddit

Bootstrap pullers

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DaisyChainsandLaffs@reddit

Quietus. Because you decide when Children of Men is very well thought out dystopian film.

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MonoNoAware71@reddit

I don't know, how many people are Musk/doge going to fire? Maybe they can fill in the gaps.

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imminentjogger5@reddit

robots and AI

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despot_zemu@reddit

Which hasn’t worked yet

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DelcoPAMan@reddit

The solution to everything for everyone, of course!!

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Scomosuckseggs@reddit

It's what the Boomers wanted. That's why they voted Trump. They've already planned for this. And if they haven't, thats their decision. They knew what they were voting for, right? They told everyone to shut up because they had already 'done their research'. So don't worry, they have already planned for this.

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Marmom_of_Marman@reddit

Once their kids were 18 they kicked them out to fend for themselves. I’m prepared to tell them to do the same.

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Living-Excuse1370@reddit

They could ask the Brits this question. After Brexit they should be able to answer.

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EnamelKant@reddit

"If they die, they die." - Americans.

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hold_me_beer_m8@reddit

Ha, I hadn't even considered this part of boomers fucking themselves

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The following submission statement was provided by /u/NoseRepresentative:

The United States is barreling toward a home healthcare crisis. Over the next decade, the country will need to fill 9.3 million job openings in the direct care sector. That includes home health aides, nursing assistants, and personal care aides — the people who help our elderly parents and grandparents get dressed, eat, bathe, and stay safe at home.

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LennyDark@reddit

The elites don't consider this an issue, it will drive people past retirement age who can't work to just kill themselves. In their minds it's just culling the herd.

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Kiss_of_Cultural@reddit

Leadership is actively destroying the safety nets. They literally intend for the old and infirm to just die. It’s barbaric.

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DeltaForceFish@reddit

We will get to have a peak at what our future will entail from those countries who are further into demographic decline than us. China may not be the best test case. But there are some European countries which will hit this cliff in the coming decades. We all know that the tax burden on the young will be crippling when it reaches 2 working age people per retiree. But the real question is will those able bodied people be FORCED to care for non family elderly. Everyone says robots, but do not factor in that people need to actually maintain them and build and deliver new ones. Then factor in the electric grid that needs to be built up (by who?) to be able to charge these robots and the data centers needed to power their AI. There simply will not be enough energy for robots to be viable in 80% of households.

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