Kingston Fury Renegade G5 PCIe Gen5 SSDs leaked: up to 14,800 MB/s read speed and 4TB capacity
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KingoPants@reddit
I wonder what you use so much speed for? I suppose it's enough to saturate a 100 Gbps connection by itself but can't think of anything beyond that.
mechkbfan@reddit
Question I'm always curious about is what's the bottleneck for doing shit these days?
My gut feel is it's still the random IOPS of a SSD that's holding a lot of daily tasks back (e.g. booting, opening an app, loadingA game) but I have no data to validate that
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
All of it, until stuff...any stuff you can think of...happens instantly its all bottlenecking.
Bottlenecking just shows you the weakest part...they are all weak that's just the weakest today.
reddit_equals_censor@reddit
sth, that might fascinate you in that regard and you probably didn't expect, but cpu design is creating a major difference in snappiness of the system, NOT fps in a game, but SNAPPINESS.
the way, that new intel chips are layed out it seems causes way worse responsiveness (again NOT latency or fps in games):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y1Cv9h4NYI
the a bunch older intel cpus are way more responsive/snappier as the video shows and amd's new cpus are also perfectly fine and responsive/snappy.
again it is NOT the individual core design, or memory speed or ssd speed, but it seems to be how the cpu is setup, how the cores communicate with other parts, etc... it seems.
so we can assume, that lots of people would guess, that the ssd is slowing things down, but it rather could be the cpu design, that is holding things back.
just fascinating data.
mechkbfan@reddit
Was fascinating, thank you. Crazy how things can go backwards
Wonder if X3D design helps this in any way
I'll have to look into it later
reddit_equals_censor@reddit
would be cool if he does re testing once zen6 comes out.
testing quite a few cpus in it inc x3d and non x3d chips.
if you're wondering why zen6 will be interesting, it is a chiplet design redesign.
using silicon bridges for vastly higher bandwidth and lower latency, so maybe that will make zen6 snappier even?
nWhm99@reddit
I’m playing BG3, and quick load takes almost a minute. I need that speed.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
That's all CPU not SSD. Once you have any SSD slow load times are now nearly always CPU bottlenecks as assets are decompressed and objects/entities instantiated.
asssuber@reddit
Some people are running DeepSeek V3/R1 locally at around 1 token/s out of their SSDs. You just need to treat it like a mail exchange instead of instant messaging.
hollow_bridge@reddit
misleading https://old.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1idseqb/deepseek_r1_671b_over_2_toksec_without_gpu_on/ma8o478/
asssuber@reddit
While the memory as cache does help, the bottleneck is squarely SSD.
Also, I'm advertising here half the speed he was getting in that topic (as it has to do with what quants you use, RAM and VRAM as cache as you said, etc). So I don't think I'm being misleading.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Randoms on reddit just guessing how these AI models work isn't proof of anything.
junon@reddit
I wonder how optane drives would fare.
asssuber@reddit
They excel on latency and write loads, while this task is mostly read throughput, so not the right tool for the job.
junon@reddit
Ah, well that makes sense, thanks!
RealPjotr@reddit
Some still wonder why we need more than 640 kB RAM... 🤷🏼♂️
KingoPants@reddit
While it is (unironically) fun to make numbers in synthetic benchmarks go up, I couldn't tell any difference between a 2 to 3 GB/s PCIe 3 drive and the 7 GB/s Samsung 990.
Plus, these exotic drives are $$$, so how do you justify it?
Strazdas1@reddit
This is great if you cannot tell the difference. Buy a cheaper drive and have fun. Some workloads benefit from higher speeds though.
Data-Jack@reddit
When any basic software will weigh 500GB+, you'll feel it. Same as those 640 KB of conventional memory, just some years to wait.
Far_Piano4176@reddit
What makes you think basic software will ever be 500gb? Unless you're talking about games, I don't think that's likely in my lifetime and probably not yours either
MaverickPT@reddit
Currently not for the average consumer. But if you're a "pro-sumer" or a professional that has to deal with large files daily it can be useful. An example is LLM/AI models I'm just a fella playing with stable diffusion for fun and the Crucial P3 Plus that I have chokes when loading lots of models consequently. My WD SN850X is a champ though
Dangerman1337@reddit
Wouldn't suprise me if the PS6 SSD is a Gen 5 like this.
dparks1234@reddit
The PS5’s fast SSD hasn’t really lead to any breakthroughs compared to the slower SSDs found in the Xboxes. Having an SSD period feels like a big deal, but the gains from increasing the speed in a gaming context seem marginal.
Strazdas1@reddit
It all depends on whether or not developers take adnvantage of data streaming from drive. and so far for PS5 only the tech demo ratchet and clank showed what this can achieve.
Strazdas1@reddit
Try editing 4k video from good quality source and see anything choke on read and write speeds.
anival024@reddit
People who work with large media files or large datasets love sequential read speed.
based_and_upvoted@reddit
Maybe a shared network drive where several users use the same storage, or setups where quickly restoring and creating backups is important.
diabetic_debate@reddit
In those cases you will likely hit cpu or network bottlenecks before hitting disk i/o saturation.
Dr_Narwhal@reddit
What are the typical r/w latencies these days on bleeding edge SSDs? Are we still in the ~80/30us range or has that improved? Would be nice to see more effort from drive makers on perf metrics other than max throughput. Or maybe not, since that would devalue my hoard of optane.
reddit_equals_censor@reddit
it is always a good sign for the industry as a whole, when people gotta hoard a great technology, because the current garbage is no where near close to competing against it... :) /s
crts, but for storage ;)
Strazdas1@reddit
noone but some enthusiasts care about CRTs though.
reddit_equals_censor@reddit
oh i believe you missed the part, when lcds first came out....
the level of shit, that early lcds were at was just astounding....
you may just think of it in terms of today or the recent years, but not back when lcds got introduced first.
they were insane shit and could NOT compare at all to crts.
it is crazy, that after all this development, crts at the end of their time are still capable to compete or well defeat lcds in lots of ways today.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
People value different things, just shows you have no understanding of the market is all.
Strazdas1@reddit
when LCDs came out LCDs were shit. Im talking about now.
1soooo@reddit
How much optane do you have and do you have any enterprise ones?
I am having issues with my D4800X that is running with a regular PCIE X4 to U.2 cable in regards to surviving restarts, requiring a full shutdown to re initialize the ssd again.
I understand this drive is a PCIE X2X2 drive and that might be an issue but I do not have enough PCIE slots for another X2 even though I found the PCIE X2X2 cable online.
It is the DELL EMC Branded 1.5tb variant with firmware E201EC0D, can't update through Intel MAS, do you know any way to force an update on it or any way to fix this issue?
RaidriarT@reddit
Wish they’d offer an 8TB drive like WD does. I love my 4TB fury but I could always use more storage
HorrorCranberry1165@reddit
high speed drives are not for storing large quantity of data. It is for work that require that speed, like working with movies or using databases. If you store large amout of data, then buy slower SSD but with higher capacity
mechkbfan@reddit
Yeah nah. I use mine for games + VM's, and I never want to think about uninstalling shit. Just not worth the effort
1soooo@reddit
I'd say for that case a used enterprise NVME/PCIE storage solution might suit u better, especially those that are mlc or slc based. Multiple VMs on the same drive requires good random read and sequential read are kinda irrelevant. Most mlc/slc/optane drives are good for random read especially at higher queue depths.
Just note that many of these despite having good capacity, random read and TBW rating, are not fully NVME compliant or have some issues. My Dell EMC Branded 1.5TB D4800X Optane drive is NVME 1.0 and have issues surviving a restart, requiring a full shutdown everytime for the drive to be detected again, and many of these enterprise drives requires you to format them in NTFS in Linux before being able to be used in windows, windows sucks at formatting older enterprise drives lol.
mechkbfan@reddit
Funny enough I just ordered a P4800X and looking into M2 to U2 adapter's now.
Going to use my 4tb for Steam and media
1soooo@reddit
Hopefully your p4800x can persist through restarts, if it does its a near perfect fantastic drive.
I wanted to use my d4800x as an OS drive initially, but u can't actually boot into windows with my specific d4800x, probably due to the same reason why it doesn't persist through restarts.
Strazdas1@reddit
high speed drives should be for everything.
Infiniteybusboy@reddit
Games these days are big and need the speed. I'd rather drives start getting cheaper and bigger instead of faster these days.
Strazdas1@reddit
Games isnt everything.
reddit_equals_censor@reddit
part 2:
and we got even more reasons. lots of people have one pci-e 5 m.2 slot. ONE. the top one, that goes directly to the cpu. the rest being pci-e 4 and a bunch going through the pci-e 4 x4 chipset link as well.
so people of course would like to maximum the benefit of their ONE high speed m.2 interfance, that they have in their system.
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and you should compare ssd pricing yourself before making such comments.
on geizhals looking for working ssds, so dram + tlc selection the cheapest ssd per TB comes out as the kioxia exceria g2. that is the cheapest regardless of the size and per TB at 51 euros/TB and 2100 MB/s reads.
if we select 4 TB minimum we are at 59 euros/TB if you wanna dare go with a verbatim ssd and this CHEAPEST 4 TB ssd /TB lists 7000 MB/s reads and 6400 MB/s writes.
why is that? because it does not make any sense to sell vastly slower ssds at all, because the controller again is a fixed cost and the bigger we go the less of a cost the controller also gets, so shipping slower 8 TB drives again MAKES NO SENSE!
your comment makes 0 sense and sounds like from someone who isn't actually hoarding even a bit of data, or understands part of the ssd industry and why ssds are how they are generally.
the storage setup rightnow, that makes sense is the biggest ssds, that should be the current max speed and spinning rust used still, because we have to, because of cost.
there is no "oh i just get a 2nd ssd, that is much slower, but a lot cheaper", that generally doesn't exist and for a good reason. again fixed controller prices.
reddit_equals_censor@reddit
many things wrong with your idea.
first off, systems have a limited amount of m.2 pci-e slots or nowadays even heavily limited sata ports.
i got ONE m.2 slot left on my x570 board and i already would be using more sata ports if it had more the 8 it came with.
so where would i put those slower ssds, that are mostly wrongfully assumed to be cheaper? that's right no where....
because i got one m.2 slot left. i want split os for legacy dual booting as well in the future to move that from some sata drive, so that means, that guess what...
the one left m.2 slot needs to have as big of a space as possible.
not 2 TB like my current one, not 4 TB, which is the current "value" max, which leaves us with 8 TB.
the controllers are designed to handle 8 TB capacity.
the controller straight up stays the same. the nand gets doubled in capacity and the dram gets/should get increased by 100% as well.
so there is no issue offering double capacity ssds for high speed ssds.
so why aren't they doing it mostly?
well that is a damn freaking good question. the best guess would be, that the nand/memory cartel's prices for nand have stayed high enough for ssd makers not wanting to put the little effort in it to make 8 TB versions happen.
and again your logic makes 0 sense on a hardware level. you are already paying for the controller. the sm2508 controller, which is a great controller (pci-e 5 controller, that runs cool enough to not require insane cooling and high performance still) is capable of doing 8 TB ssds.
so bigger ssds should cost less hardware wise, because again we got the fixed cost controller in all of the lineup already.
and you also can't bring up the increased pci-e 5 vs pci-e 4 speed costs, because those are mostly artificial until pci-e 5 proper and cool running controllers take over.
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Creepy-Evening-441@reddit
According to the reviewer notes 8TB is scheduled for Q3.
RaidriarT@reddit
Remains to be seen, but I sure hope so!
Strazdas1@reddit
Doubt. Unless this is SLC cache speeds so its just misinformation.
reddit_equals_censor@reddit
while sadly yes of course.
the good old times of mlc drives, that will write at max write speed always and to the last byte are over :/
now the REAL question to ask is, what is the actual speed past its slc cache?
is it at least 2 GB/s? or is it (not kidding) below 100 MB/s? :D below 100 MB/s is the actual qlc write speed past slc cache of a buch of garbage drives, including garbage drives from samsung.
and yes ssd makers should be 100% required to post write speed past slc cache, right next to the slc cache writing speed number always.
but of course that isn't a thing with the scamming industry even massively downgrading parts as they like these days.
Strazdas1@reddit
This is TLC so probably still a decent speed, not the bellow HDD QLC speeds.
krista@reddit
i keep reading this as
lifestealsuck@reddit
Does it need a fan yet ?
Swooferfan@reddit
Funnily enough, PNY actually makes an SSD with two miniature fans on the heatsink:
https://www.pny.com/cs-3150-m-2-nvme-ssd-with-rgb-heatsink
and of course, it's PCIe Gen 5.
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