In the words of a late friend… Power resides where men believe it resides. It’s a trick. A shadow on the wall. And a very small man can cast a very large shadow.
Because america is violating china sovereignty
Taiwan is part of china and the USA itself recognizes it yet the USA is arming separatist and arming Taiwan a part of china by law and threatening to go to war with china all the time , it is like china giving arms to separatist in California and putting Chinese troops in California and threatening war with the USA if they tried to do anything about it
The U.S. side declared: The United States acknowledges that all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China. The United States Government does not challenge that position. It reaffirms its interest in a peaceful settlement of the Taiwan question by the Chinese themselves. With this prospect in mind, it affirms the ultimate objective of the withdrawal of all U.S. forces and military installations from Taiwan. In the meantime, it will progressively reduce its forces and military installations on Taiwan as the tension in the area diminishes.
As a Taiwanese citizen, I assure you we aren't part of China. The PRC has zero authority, jurisdiction, or sovereignty over the island of Taiwan or the people living here.
We are a completely independent and separate country from the PRC.
Also, the US simply "acknowledged" that it was the "Chinese position" that Taiwan is part of China. They never agreed with or endorsed the Chinese position as their own position.
Here is the US position explained by the US government:
The U.S. government also “acknowledges the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China,” without endorsing that position as its own.
While negotiating the 1982 communiqué, President Ronald Reagan authorized U.S. officials to convey to Taiwan what have become known as the Six Assurances, statements of what the United States did not agree to in its negotiations with the PRC. Those statements include that the United States did not agree to a date for ending arms sales, or to consult with the PRC on arms sales, or to take any position regarding Taiwan’s sovereignty.
U.S. policy, rarely stated publicly, is to treat Taiwan’s political status as unresolved.
Comparing Taiwan to California is absolutely ridiculous.
California is actually part of the United States; Californians are US citizens, carrying US passports, paying US taxes, bound by US law. The US flag flies over California.
Taiwan, on the other hand, isn't actually part of the PRC. Taiwanese are not PRC citizens, do not have PRC passports, don't pay PRC taxes, aren't bound by PRC laws, etc. The PRC flag does not fly over Taiwan.
To be honest, I don't know how you can be this ignorant.
Honestly, what’s wrong with them that they are never at peace or interested in seeking peace within themselves. They are so desperate to cause chaos and force others into turmoil.
Go to therapy or internalize your problems and self punish. Leave everyone else out of it. Idk. I’m tired.
This is not true. Taiwan wasn’t even ethnically all that Chinese until the conclusion of the civil war which led the RoC to Taiwan and suppress the actual natives.
Singapore is 75% ethnic Chinese and nobody considers it China.
I feel like we are approaching a climax somewhere in this year… i dont think a Taiwan invasion is going to quite as hard as it seems on paper… noticing how many spies china has all around the world, i dont think it would be a bad assumption there are a sizable amount in tiawan… just like how the prc infiltrated the opposition in the chinese civil war, i could seeing them do this again… if they could disrupt the defensive reaction in tiawan for long enough for china to land troops then it could be over quickly… also if fighting erupts inside tiawan first then it also delays the optics to the west of china being the aggressor until china lands troops… and if it happens quickly enough it there might not even be a US response due to there not being any will of the people to absorb the cost of liberating tiawan… also the ultimatum of if the US joins then the last piece of the south china sea is on the table, the Philippines… and if that happens then who knows how it turns out… i pray im wrong
It’s very clear we’re moving in that direction and I think a domination over Taiwan will not take more than a few days at most. These guys aren’t going to put up that much of a fight they’re moreso relying on the US to come save them but that is a bleak prospect. The US doesn’t have the will or strong rationale to get involved. It’s a lose-lose position for America.
TSM moving operations to AZ and dumping $100 billion into a new fab is telling enough that Taiwan knows it’s toast and time is running out. I don’t think any war it will drag on like the Russia-Ukraine war right now. Taiwan will put up a fight but it will not be able to withstand the any CCP invasion. Japan won’t be joining either. I highly doubt it given they take orders from America. The funny thing is the real loser in all this isn’t Taiwan. Taiwan and its people will actually be fine.
The real loser is America. America is going to fade into obscurity and risk losing security and stability. Its place in the world will definitely be taken down a notch.
This is spot on, the AZ fabs are very telling, not to mention they bought enough land to put down 10+ fabs if need be…
Drone warfare has changed everything, especially in a situation like tiawan… they can form a blockade and place drone ships off the coast and launch god knows how many…
As to the US falling is honestly up to the initial reaction… if we immediately respond with everything we have we could possibly give them a bloody enough nose to land enough marines on the island and then once casualties begin, the people might be supportive along with propaganda…
Though if china conducts this well and maintains a beachhead through the first few days… it would tank US markets and choke chips for consumers for at least a couple years leading to a significant drop in standards of living and god knows what happens then… America will always be a player just because of the obstacles to attack us are so insurmountable but we may be looking at a different country a decade after that…
China really fucked-up their birth rate. This is exhibit "a" for how they are not playing the long game very well, they are actually just trying to hold themselves together and are not even as good at the US at the semmingly simple task of just basic functioning.
If you engage with us reasonably, we would be very pleased to see it. However, if you resort to rogue tactics, I believe the Chinese military would prove to be the most formidable force humanity has ever encountered.
They don’t have one lol, the Americans shut it down twice. The KMT was in an arms race with the PRC on the mainland to develop nukes in response to China. The US shut it down. Then they tried again in the late 80s and the CIA caught wind of it and once again forced the Taiwanese to shut it down.
The odds of them being able to develop another program without the knowledge of the US and at this point more likely China is slim to none. The moment they implement a program, the invasion begins.
Their defence is highly dependent on the US. Both in arms imports and the threat of US intervention. If they develop a program they immediately lose all American support.
Furthermore China’s invasion of Taiwan would be about occupation. A nuclear programme would up the ante and change the nature of the conflict. They don’t need boots on the ground to level Taiwan in conventional ways. China wants Taiwan as is.
Lastly, I just don’t think it’s realistic. People on Reddit don’t understand how interlinked Taiwan and China is. Just the other there was an article about the Taiwanese president’s bodyguards being spies for China.
The economic and military security risks to develop it in this day and age outweighs the benefit.
Meanwhile, TSM is somehow up 0.24% pre-market. Not sure whether I'm crazy or everyone else is. Like, do people still just believe this isn't going to happen or something?
YeaTired@reddit
Why can't people just live and let live.
incognegro00@reddit
In the words of a late friend… Power resides where men believe it resides. It’s a trick. A shadow on the wall. And a very small man can cast a very large shadow.
BugsyMcNug@reddit
Plato's cave
PsudoGravity@reddit
Where men believe? The penis then? Ball maybe?
annoyedatwork@reddit
“ E: balls plural”
Wasn’t that the US motto?
PsudoGravity@reddit
Typed ball. Edited it to balls. Reported on the manipulation of my balls as one should.
Thoraxe474@reddit
It's actually in the gallbladder
SquirrelyMcNutz@reddit
I would say the appendix.
Since so many people have it removed, they lose their inherent power and spend the rest of their lives trying to get it back.
snowwhitewolf6969@reddit
When small men cast large shadows, dark times are surely ahead
HGblonia@reddit
Because america is violating china sovereignty Taiwan is part of china and the USA itself recognizes it yet the USA is arming separatist and arming Taiwan a part of china by law and threatening to go to war with china all the time , it is like china giving arms to separatist in California and putting Chinese troops in California and threatening war with the USA if they tried to do anything about it
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v17/d203
Eclipsed830@reddit
As a Taiwanese citizen, I assure you we aren't part of China. The PRC has zero authority, jurisdiction, or sovereignty over the island of Taiwan or the people living here.
We are a completely independent and separate country from the PRC.
Also, the US simply "acknowledged" that it was the "Chinese position" that Taiwan is part of China. They never agreed with or endorsed the Chinese position as their own position.
Here is the US position explained by the US government:
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12503
Comparing Taiwan to California is absolutely ridiculous.
California is actually part of the United States; Californians are US citizens, carrying US passports, paying US taxes, bound by US law. The US flag flies over California.
Taiwan, on the other hand, isn't actually part of the PRC. Taiwanese are not PRC citizens, do not have PRC passports, don't pay PRC taxes, aren't bound by PRC laws, etc. The PRC flag does not fly over Taiwan.
To be honest, I don't know how you can be this ignorant.
ThePennedKitten@reddit
Honestly, what’s wrong with them that they are never at peace or interested in seeking peace within themselves. They are so desperate to cause chaos and force others into turmoil.
Go to therapy or internalize your problems and self punish. Leave everyone else out of it. Idk. I’m tired.
BreathPuzzleheaded80@reddit
When is Ukraine gonna let Crimea and Donbas live and let live?
DieselPunkPiranha@reddit
Goes back to 1949 when the ousted Chinese government fled to Taiwan. The current government really needs to let that go.
theserpentsmiles@reddit
Also, China has a policy about being "ethnically Chinese." If everyone in a place is ethnically from China, China considers that place theirs.
Let that sink in.
AsterKando@reddit
This is not true. Taiwan wasn’t even ethnically all that Chinese until the conclusion of the civil war which led the RoC to Taiwan and suppress the actual natives.
Singapore is 75% ethnic Chinese and nobody considers it China.
coludFF_h@reddit
There are very few aborigines in Taiwan, only about 3%, and most of them are Chinese.
China's Qing Dynasty ruled Taiwan for more than 200 years
coludFF_h@reddit
There is no such thing.
Most Singaporeans are ethnic Chinese and the Chinese government does not consider Singapore to be Chinese territory.
Historically, Taiwan has been a Chinese territory longer than the United States was founded.
Unfair_Bunch519@reddit
What till people find out what the phrase “the future will be Chinese” actually means
irrision@reddit
Yeah ironically Taiwan is the best representation of real Chinese culture untainted by the sanitization of the "cultural revolution".
JustAFilmDork@reddit
It's absolutely insane to me that the world isn't drilling Taiwan over this.
Not acting like the PRC doesn't want to take Taiwan, but Taiwan genuinely claiming it is China and the PRC is occupying all its land is ridiculous.
ThiefAndBeggar@reddit
No, you see, that claim was the cassus belli for supporting the Republic of China's "liberation" of its homeland.
But after Korea and Vietnam...
Propping up fascists in Asia as military vassals is all around a bad look and hasn't worked out in terms of won wars.
JustAFilmDork@reddit
Oh ya don't get me wrong, I get why the west initially was fine with Taiwan's claim.
But at this point I'm just like "who tf honestly thinks that could never happen? All it's doing is hurting international relations"
Like, kinda hard to go "no China, Taiwan deserves sovereignty" when Taiwan itself is going "WE AREN'T TAIWAN! WE ARE CHINA"
enigmaticbeardyhuman@reddit
I hear you mate. Instead, the human race will destroy itself from living.
Truthfully-Sincere@reddit
The logic being theres plenty of people who won't let me be, so why should I cut anyone else any slack.
KeyCanThrowAway@reddit
The Taiwanese didn’t let the indigenous live. They exterminated them.
Where is their “let live”?
BladedNinja23198@reddit
didn't happen
westonriebe@reddit
I feel like we are approaching a climax somewhere in this year… i dont think a Taiwan invasion is going to quite as hard as it seems on paper… noticing how many spies china has all around the world, i dont think it would be a bad assumption there are a sizable amount in tiawan… just like how the prc infiltrated the opposition in the chinese civil war, i could seeing them do this again… if they could disrupt the defensive reaction in tiawan for long enough for china to land troops then it could be over quickly… also if fighting erupts inside tiawan first then it also delays the optics to the west of china being the aggressor until china lands troops… and if it happens quickly enough it there might not even be a US response due to there not being any will of the people to absorb the cost of liberating tiawan… also the ultimatum of if the US joins then the last piece of the south china sea is on the table, the Philippines… and if that happens then who knows how it turns out… i pray im wrong
maincoonpower@reddit
It’s very clear we’re moving in that direction and I think a domination over Taiwan will not take more than a few days at most. These guys aren’t going to put up that much of a fight they’re moreso relying on the US to come save them but that is a bleak prospect. The US doesn’t have the will or strong rationale to get involved. It’s a lose-lose position for America.
TSM moving operations to AZ and dumping $100 billion into a new fab is telling enough that Taiwan knows it’s toast and time is running out. I don’t think any war it will drag on like the Russia-Ukraine war right now. Taiwan will put up a fight but it will not be able to withstand the any CCP invasion. Japan won’t be joining either. I highly doubt it given they take orders from America. The funny thing is the real loser in all this isn’t Taiwan. Taiwan and its people will actually be fine.
The real loser is America. America is going to fade into obscurity and risk losing security and stability. Its place in the world will definitely be taken down a notch.
westonriebe@reddit
This is spot on, the AZ fabs are very telling, not to mention they bought enough land to put down 10+ fabs if need be…
Drone warfare has changed everything, especially in a situation like tiawan… they can form a blockade and place drone ships off the coast and launch god knows how many…
As to the US falling is honestly up to the initial reaction… if we immediately respond with everything we have we could possibly give them a bloody enough nose to land enough marines on the island and then once casualties begin, the people might be supportive along with propaganda…
Though if china conducts this well and maintains a beachhead through the first few days… it would tank US markets and choke chips for consumers for at least a couple years leading to a significant drop in standards of living and god knows what happens then… America will always be a player just because of the obstacles to attack us are so insurmountable but we may be looking at a different country a decade after that…
ryleg@reddit
China really fucked-up their birth rate. This is exhibit "a" for how they are not playing the long game very well, they are actually just trying to hold themselves together and are not even as good at the US at the semmingly simple task of just basic functioning.
malinuhhh47@reddit
Okay buddy
ryleg@reddit
Have a read: https://thediplomat.com/2024/04/the-demographic-costs-of-a-taiwan-war/
CarlosDangerWasHere@reddit
Rational assessment. China will rise and America will fade in that scenario. Why China will make the move
JackReedTheSyndie@reddit
It's a usual thing happening now, they will drill until it's suddenly not a drill anymore
Substantial_Lunch_88@reddit
Every day ship planes drones pass into Taiwanese water
elziion@reddit
Unfortunately, yeah
tiredtotalk@reddit
i believe you are trespassing on Taiwan’s turf.
Humble_Sentence4957@reddit
If you engage with us reasonably, we would be very pleased to see it. However, if you resort to rogue tactics, I believe the Chinese military would prove to be the most formidable force humanity has ever encountered.
tiredtotalk@reddit
right. just like this post. reasonable and pleasant, right? you fucking motherfucker. how fucking dare you. fuck off bunch of psychos. step BACK. 🇨🇦
DrunkenSealPup@reddit
I wonder if this is actually what that build up is for and not you ran.
Aduckchicken@reddit
China is growing bolder knowing that the us just dont give a single fuck to any countries beside israel
InternationalOption3@reddit
It’s not April fools right?
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit
Its real, i was watching live streams.
FlatOutUseless@reddit
I hope their nuclear program is going along nicely.
AsterKando@reddit
They don’t have one lol, the Americans shut it down twice. The KMT was in an arms race with the PRC on the mainland to develop nukes in response to China. The US shut it down. Then they tried again in the late 80s and the CIA caught wind of it and once again forced the Taiwanese to shut it down.
The odds of them being able to develop another program without the knowledge of the US and at this point more likely China is slim to none. The moment they implement a program, the invasion begins.
FlatOutUseless@reddit
It would be outright foolish not to have a secret nuclear program now.
AsterKando@reddit
Their defence is highly dependent on the US. Both in arms imports and the threat of US intervention. If they develop a program they immediately lose all American support.
Furthermore China’s invasion of Taiwan would be about occupation. A nuclear programme would up the ante and change the nature of the conflict. They don’t need boots on the ground to level Taiwan in conventional ways. China wants Taiwan as is.
Lastly, I just don’t think it’s realistic. People on Reddit don’t understand how interlinked Taiwan and China is. Just the other there was an article about the Taiwanese president’s bodyguards being spies for China.
The economic and military security risks to develop it in this day and age outweighs the benefit.
FlatOutUseless@reddit
You are probably right. I guess they'll roll over if they lose US support which they will.
JiveTrurkey@reddit
Readiness fatigue
_rihter@reddit (OP)
I'm pinging /u/Expensive_Watch_435 for a comment.
I think one of these drills will become an invasion in 2025 or 2026.
MobilityFotog@reddit
Do we know if they're moving medical supplies or blood?
Pitiful_Ad_900@reddit
jmalez1@reddit
things are going to go bang
Honest_Persimmon_859@reddit
Meanwhile, TSM is somehow up 0.24% pre-market. Not sure whether I'm crazy or everyone else is. Like, do people still just believe this isn't going to happen or something?
InternationalOption3@reddit
Here we go…..